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Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
« Reply #45 on: April 29, 2011, 05:14:24 pm »
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Why won't he put up a vid of him yamming it? That's the easiest way to quench the haterade! Just put up a VID .

lol

I will, I have tons, and I show them in coaching sessions... i have reason for not showing yet, that you probably won't agree with... and maybe you're right...

Is it for shock value and making vids cheapens the effect for your clients? I believe you and have your program, just wanted to see you dunk. How much can you leg press or squat btw?
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Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
« Reply #46 on: April 29, 2011, 05:28:52 pm »
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Is it for shock value and making vids cheapens the effect for your clients? I believe you and have your program, just wanted to see you dunk. How much can you leg press or squat btw?

Thanks man...

BTW - Sign up for a coaching session and I'll show you a couple vids during the session.

I want my first vids to be where I was at my prime.  If not I think it will just encourage more haters...

I'm pretty close right now ~42 on my best days (I'll show you the vid on coaching session)...

But we travel a TON so my gym and diet are always in flux.

I'm in Ethiopia now, and all I eat is tibbis and injera... lol...

But at least I have a decent facility here... not always the case.

We are leaving for Cairo next week so hopefully I can keep up the training as well as I have here, with better diet.

During travel I've had to work with a ton more bodyweight stuff when we are "in transit"... but it's gone really well, and I expect to be at the 44" level again soon.




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Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
« Reply #47 on: April 29, 2011, 05:48:05 pm »
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OK, but only if I can kiss you and you give me half of your wealth. How about that?

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Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
« Reply #48 on: April 29, 2011, 05:53:29 pm »
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I don't agree to that.

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Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
« Reply #49 on: April 29, 2011, 07:15:16 pm »
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How much can you leg press or squat btw?

Thanks man...

BTW - Sign up for a coaching session and I'll show you a couple vids during the session.

I want my first vids to be where I was at my prime.  If not I think it will just encourage more haters...

I'm pretty close right now ~42 on my best days (I'll show you the vid on coaching session)...

But we travel a TON so my gym and diet are always in flux.

I'm in Ethiopia now, and all I eat is tibbis and injera... lol...

But at least I have a decent facility here... not always the case.

We are leaving for Cairo next week so hopefully I can keep up the training as well as I have here, with better diet.

During travel I've had to work with a ton more bodyweight stuff when we are "in transit"... but it's gone really well, and I expect to be at the 44" level again soon.





That's great you're trying to be the Andrew Zimmern of VJ eating tibbis and injera. But how much could you squat or leg press when you were at your peak?
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Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
« Reply #50 on: April 29, 2011, 07:25:26 pm »
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That's great you're trying to be the Andrew Zimmern of VJ

WTF?  I don't know what that means...

BTW - please hit me up on FB or somewhere else, nearly everything I say will come under heavy fire here :)

Hit me up though cool?

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« Reply #51 on: April 29, 2011, 07:45:34 pm »
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Late in Ethio..  I'm out... locals want me to play soccer in the morning... gonna be ugly.

Offer is still good on the skype vid, but it'll have to be tomorrow... 


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Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
« Reply #52 on: April 29, 2011, 08:28:53 pm »
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That's great you're trying to be the Andrew Zimmern of VJ

WTF?  I don't know what that means...

BTW - please hit me up on FB or somewhere else, nearly everything I say will come under heavy fire here :)

Hit me up though cool?

Stop ducking the leg press and squat question.  It's a simple answer he wants to know out of curiosity.  Just answer it, you ignored it twice now.
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Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
« Reply #53 on: April 29, 2011, 08:42:47 pm »
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Stop ducking the leg press and squat question.  It's a simple answer he wants to know out of curiosity.  Just answer it, you ignored it twice now

Not ducking it, just not answering it here...

I get called out for everything I say on this site... Guarantee that little talk would turn into a hate fest.

I got called out for saying my Powerbeats were ruined by sweat... wtf?!  Amongst many other things...

I'm more than happy to answer those questions, just not here where about 5 people will start swarming.


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Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
« Reply #54 on: April 29, 2011, 08:59:39 pm »
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Stop ducking the leg press and squat question.  It's a simple answer he wants to know out of curiosity.  Just answer it, you ignored it twice now

Not ducking it, just not answering it here...

I get called out for everything I say on this site... Guarantee that little talk would turn into a hate fest.

I got called out for saying my Powerbeats were ruined by sweat... wtf?!  Amongst many other things...

I'm more than happy to answer those questions, just not here where about 5 people will start swarming.




if you posted videos nobody would question anything. Why can't you post the vert video on youtube? It doesn't make any sense. You claim a high vert, claim you have video proof, but you won't show us. If you are "embarrassed" by being able to jump high, you wouldn't make any claims.

People call you out because everything you say is ridiculous.
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Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
« Reply #55 on: April 29, 2011, 09:07:15 pm »
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if you posted videos nobody would question anything. Why can't you post the vert video on youtube? It doesn't make any sense. You claim a high vert, claim you have video proof, but you won't show us. If you are "embarrassed" by being able to jump high, you wouldn't make any claims

You telling me if I posted a current progress vid of 40+ inches you would chill? 

I know you don't agree with my reasons, but I have the vid, and I'll show it to Andrew on skype.

If I could get the above in writing it would be pretty tempting though... lol... but I might actually miss the uncalled for hatefulness that characterizes all our interactions.

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Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
« Reply #56 on: April 29, 2011, 09:35:45 pm »
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This thread is hilarious..

But honestly, Jacob there is no way you can win this war unless you post up some footage, these guys know how to hold grudges and are a lot smarter than average internet users and are not to be fucked with.
I myself believe you have gotten some athletes decent results, but nothing earth shattering. I'm sure you're program is decent and could work for most but is definitely not ideal. I'm very skeptical of your vert claims and the results athletes have gotten, it doesn't help your image with the "in the know" crowd and the guys here, but It's great for business I assume.

I can't really respect you as a coach until you have some legit footage up, but from a business prospective I definitely have respect because you've built the most intricate affiliate program and most successful vertical jump product on the market, but still you're a scammer at heart. You just have to ask yourself what's more important, being seen as a scammer or being rich. Some coaches, like Andrew for example would rather be broke for life than ever sell out - I think he could live comfortably if he even just released a program, but he doesn't.. While other coaches, such as yourself would rather make a buck than deliver on what you promise. That doesn't make you a bad person, it just makes you human, survival of the fittest; we all gotta eat. I'm certain 99% of the world would do the same exact thing you have done, it's not like you did anything awful, just a bit unethical, you just took money from middle - upper class white kids.

Fuck Bitches Get Money

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Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
« Reply #57 on: April 30, 2011, 03:26:59 am »
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if you posted videos nobody would question anything. Why can't you post the vert video on youtube? It doesn't make any sense. You claim a high vert, claim you have video proof, but you won't show us. If you are "embarrassed" by being able to jump high, you wouldn't make any claims

You telling me if I posted a current progress vid of 40+ inches you would chill? 

I know you don't agree with my reasons, but I have the vid, and I'll show it to Andrew on skype.

If I could get the above in writing it would be pretty tempting though... lol... but I might actually miss the uncalled for hatefulness that characterizes all our interactions.

If you do all the measurements and can prove you have a vertical jump (or running if thats what you're claiming) of 40 inches, I will never respond to you negatively again even though I think you are retarded for actually believing in squat flex (like you claim). And I've been bashing you since our streetball talk days so that's a pretty sweet deal. However, I can't speak for everyone else though, as there will still be bitterness about you being a scammer.



Rip knows what's up. I remember every single post of someone I have a grudge against and use it against them whenever possible, even if it was posted years ago. It's not that I don't have a life, I just have amazing memory (even without adderall).

I also turned down a line of adderall at a party today. Feels good man


One more thing, going on what Rip said, I don't think you need to be a good athlete to be a good coach, but if you are going to claim high numbers for yourself or your athletes, you better post some videos. One thing that makes Defranco so respected is that for every PR claim he has for an athlete, he posts a video of it.  His training principles may not always be sound, but he gets results and has videos to show for it (And yea, some of his athletes are probably on steroids, but I don't think he knows about it). Jacob is in a similar situation. Sure I think you're retarded for liking the squat flex, leg press, and thinking the lower back is a prime mover, but if you get results for either yourself or athletes you train, then you are a good coach.

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Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
« Reply #58 on: April 30, 2011, 04:16:43 am »
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An example of my skills




Lets see those names and numbers Jake
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Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
« Reply #59 on: April 30, 2011, 04:30:36 am »
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An example of my skills




Lets see those names and numbers Jake

2008? hmmmmm, what year is it? oh ok, 2011.. right, actually nearing 2012. Mr. Hiller still typing the same old stuff after 4 years.  :wowthatwasnutswtf:

Mr. Hiller, i see the testimonials, cool i'm glad people are claiming to have a good experience with your program, but, how many people have you actually trained, in person, to 40" or more? I see you resorting to testimonials of h.s. kids going "oh hey bro i jump 40 now thanks alot!!!!" etc, and i see videos you link of people who are obviously not jumping 40, such as matthew godley which i will get to tomorrow (respectfully, relax i won't shit on him), but i don't see any footage of you actually training anyone to 40, for example, like that other guy on youtube does (the freetofly guy).. He has videos of him working with athletes and he demonstrates their improvements, so those are very legit testimonials, plus he uses a vertec to measure progress. Most actual coaches do that, myself, lance, defranco, everyone who actually coaches people. I'm not trying to claim you're not a legit coach, i'm just wondering where the ACTUAL COACHING FOOTAGE is. You seem eager to put up videos of other people's testimonials etc, i would imagine you would be eager to put up videos of your own coaching?

How many people have you coached in person who have been measured, by you, to 40" or more on vert? How many people have you coached in person, in general? How are the indian high jumpers doing? You got any footage of them?

You do understand that 40 inch verts are insanely rare right? You only see 1 or 2 40" RVJ's in the nba combine, and even then sometimes nobody gets to 40..




Sorry I was out all day, so I couldn't take you up on your skype offer, maybe tomorrow who knows.. I'd be interested for sure.

Every single person on this forum would lay off you regarding YOUR VERT CLAIMS if you posted some decent videos.. I'm astonished that you think people would still shit on you if you posted an athletic video of yourself? You're 6'4, anything near 40 would look insanely impressive, which should be easy given your fingertip to elbow measurements & touch height claimed in the other thread :F That fact has nothing to do with the other points: promoting squatflex (which you don't do anymore ironically......), leg press for vert, claiming to have trained 100's of people to 40" or more, etc.. those are entirely different issues.

You seem to go around in circles, for years, avoiding putting out footage.. Look at it from our side, it's pretty obvious to us why you would do that. We don't understand why someone who wrote a jump program based on a "system" they used to reach 44" RVJ off 3 steps, wouldn't be able to put out footage in over 4 years of themself dunking/doing something impressive. The only thing we have to go on is a picture of you in some yard dunking on some hoop on a fence and the surface is grass/dirt.

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