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Title: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: adarqui on March 27, 2011, 03:47:02 am
jump manual is trash, he's always saying "Vertical explozion", he believes leg press is more effective than squat, he promotes squatflex, he thinks lower back is the most important "prime mover" in vertical jumping, he lies about his vert (see below), he's made millions of dollars doing it, he leads everyone astray, he claims jump manual is how he got to 45" vert but he can't even use his own manual to get him back to 45" vert which makes no sense, he posts pictures of him ripping rims off backboards instead of videos, he claims his elbow to fingertip is 13 inches yet he has long arms for deadlifting, he claims his reach is t-rex level but he's got long arms for deadlifting, he got raped on adarq.org and ducked everyone's questions - instead replying with unrelated damage control answers, he's teamed up with maroko & company, he used brandon todd as a testimonial for jump manual but we all know brandon todd didn't use that shitty ass manual, he's good at photoshop.

discuss.




"lie about vert", no longer an issue, and no longer considered lying officially by adarq.org:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHhwpsCHc3k

beast jump.
Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual
Post by: steventar on March 27, 2011, 11:51:11 am
agreed, jump manual is utter garbage. jacob hiller has yet to post a vid of even dunking a ball. He's always bragging about going around the world and coaching and shit... but yet ive seen his program and it is just a cookie-cutter 14 day cycle of strength and plyos. Im sick off his websites and advertisements all over the web promising 10 inches of "wow" instantly injected into your muscles upon purchase of his program.
Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual
Post by: aiir on March 27, 2011, 01:25:04 pm
jump manual is trash, he's always saying "Vertical explozion", he believes leg press is more effective than squat, he promotes squatflex, he thinks lower back is the most important "prime mover" in vertical jumping, he lies about his vert, he's made millions of dollars doing it, he leads everyone astray, he claims jump manual is how he got to 45" vert but he can't even use his own manual to get him back to 45" vert which makes no sense, he posts pictures of him ripping rims off backboards instead of videos, he claims his elbow to fingertip is 13 inches yet he has long arms for deadlifting, he claims his reach is t-rex level but he's got long arms for deadlifting, he got raped on adarq.org and ducked everyone's questions - instead replying with unrelated damage control answers, he's teamed up with maroko & company, he used brandon todd as a testimonial for jump manual but we all know brandon todd didn't use that shitty ass manual, he's good at photoshop.

discuss.


you just wrote a summary of the program right there

oh, and doesn't it call for depth jumps after every exercise?
Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual
Post by: LanceSTS on March 27, 2011, 11:40:45 pm
 I like how "hot" the squatflex topic was here recently, now that Christmas is long past you dont hear anything else about it, from any of them.  If its so awesome why are they not continuing to market it so hardcore? Ohhhhhhhh, thats right , jacob cleared that up, the timing thing was just a "coincidence", just like ALL OF THEM NOT PUSHING IT NOW IS ANOTHER "COINCIDENCE".  



DEAR JACOB HILLER: IT IS JAN 1 2011, YOU TOLD US TO WAIT UNTIL JAN 1, IT'S JAN 1, AND WE'RE JUST DYING OF ANTICIPATION.

WHATS UP?!?!!?



this makes me laugh so hard now, its very clear what "just wait till jan 1" meant, they would done with their "launch".  lmfaaooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

"hey guys, just leave me alone till jan 1 ok? ill be done scamming the little kids that i make my living off of and then we can be cool again cuz i wont need to promote it till next Christmas time when their parents will be willing to spend 400 dollars on them again.  Thanks guys, u r the best!"
Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual
Post by: adarqui on March 28, 2011, 12:30:32 am
I like how "hot" the squatflex topic was here recently, now that Christmas is long past you dont hear anything else about it, from any of them.  If its so awesome why are they not continuing to market it so hardcore? Ohhhhhhhh, thats right , jacob cleared that up, the timing thing was just a "coincidence", just like ALL OF THEM NOT PUSHING IT NOW IS ANOTHER "COINCIDENCE".  



DEAR JACOB HILLER: IT IS JAN 1 2011, YOU TOLD US TO WAIT UNTIL JAN 1, IT'S JAN 1, AND WE'RE JUST DYING OF ANTICIPATION.

WHATS UP?!?!!?



this makes me laugh so hard now, its very clear what "just wait till jan 1" meant, they would done with their "launch".  lmfaaooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

"hey guys, just leave me alone till jan 1 ok? ill be done scamming the little kids that i make my living off of and then we can be cool again cuz i wont need to promote it till next Christmas time when their parents will be willing to spend 400 dollars on them again.  Thanks guys, u r the best!"

lmao, so true

great job scamming little kids jacob hiller, you are so good at it.





new vocab word, "stop hiller'n", like when we say, "stop squatdr'n", which means to stop lying/talking shit without evidence.. so, hiller'n means, stop promoting dangerous exercises/ideas to little gullible children..

for example: "u should do leg press and planks for vert" => "dude, stop hiller'n"...

"u should do depth drops from 80 inches" => "uh bro, stop hiller'n"...
Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual
Post by: LanceSTS on March 28, 2011, 02:57:28 am
ROFL   :uhhhfacepalm:  "3 months ago I could barely touch the net............., click this link and find my EXACT program i did"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3rA1Cvs0ak

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3rA1Cvs0ak


http://tiny.cc/arp1a



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tvFE32OfdE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tvFE32OfdE

this is the real kids video, on HIS channel, in b4 stolenvidtopromoteprogram.


If you encourage and reward stealing, are you a theif too??


Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual
Post by: adarqui on March 28, 2011, 04:26:19 am

If you encourage and reward stealing, are you a theif too??




bro it's just his affiliates notify him he'll shut them down derp.

lmao

that affiliate lameness is really a shithole, i must say.
Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual
Post by: dirksilver on March 28, 2011, 01:55:40 pm

If you encourage and reward stealing, are you a theif too??




bro it's just his affiliates notify him he'll shut them down derp.

lmao

that affiliate lameness is really a shithole, i must say.


jacob jacob jacob...sigh...lying is never cool...and yeah this definitely fits into an "crimes of omission" category
Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual
Post by: steventar on March 28, 2011, 04:32:36 pm
ROFL   :uhhhfacepalm:  "3 months ago I could barely touch the net............., click this link and find my EXACT program i did"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3rA1Cvs0ak

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3rA1Cvs0ak


http://tiny.cc/arp1a



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tvFE32OfdE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tvFE32OfdE

this is the real kids video, on HIS channel, in b4 stolenvidtopromoteprogram.


If you encourage and reward stealing, are you a theif too??




They promoted the jumpmanual on Whiteflightbd's videos as well. lol
Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual
Post by: LanceSTS on March 28, 2011, 04:47:12 pm
ROFL   :uhhhfacepalm:  "3 months ago I could barely touch the net............., click this link and find my EXACT program i did"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3rA1Cvs0ak

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3rA1Cvs0ak


http://tiny.cc/arp1a



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tvFE32OfdE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tvFE32OfdE

this is the real kids video, on HIS channel, in b4 stolenvidtopromoteprogram.


If you encourage and reward stealing, are you a theif too??




They promoted the jumpmanual on Whiteflightbd's videos as well. lol

did they? link the vids and post them in here if you can find them, that way everyone can see how much this happens and how misleading it is.



Here is another stolen vid used to promote the jump manual, the user is not the kid in the video........


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IP5HuAVjv4s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IP5HuAVjv4s



Here is the real video, with the rightful owner, note that he has his own jump program and website, nothing to do with the jumpmanual.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Cbk3sA0DfU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Cbk3sA0DfU
Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual
Post by: LanceSTS on March 28, 2011, 05:04:14 pm
 Oh and btw Jacob, the 50inchvertical.com "affiliates" that spam the shit out of every tfb and dunk video on youtube, you know, the ones that you were told several times about here

Also, as for the 50inchvertical site... it's some affiliates.  If these guys are spamming let me know I can report them and have them warned.  It's not good for me.  Jack W. probably gets the same thing sometimes.



Seriously, these guys spam on every damn video that has anything to do with vert or some NBA player making a highlight or whatever, i'd report them for sure if I were you.

and here

I have reported several.

I'll have to check up on this 50inchvert guy.

I don't mind them promoting.. of course but when it damages reputation... it's no good.

are you kidding me?! that shit has been around for the past 2-3 years now, on most TFB vids, a lot of testimonials, hecka stuff
and you don't know about it?


doesn't make sense

Jacob said, "if these guys are spamming let me know and I can report them" but theyre still going strong, still making him money..........

TeamFlightBrothers, shit? that's beast. this is coming from a guy who s 5 5 but finish alley dunks. I followed the vertical leap training program over at (50-inch-vertical[dot]com) and increased over 14 inches on my jump.

erikahagemann4573 6 days ago

all over this video and tons of others, from a few days ago.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hfy2uF53gT4


  Thing is, Jacob shouldve just been honest from the jump, he makes alot of money online BECAUSE of things like co promotion of products, and affiliates that spam the shit out of other peoples videos.  Of course hes not gonna stop them, HES PAYING THEM TO DO IT. 
Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual
Post by: adarqui on March 28, 2011, 05:53:02 pm
hiller is a joke, bottom line though, i don't believe a word someone says when they promote squatflex & advocate leg press over squat.

those same people have been spamming his jump manual links all over youtube, they never disappear.. i see people doing jump manual workouts at 24 hour fitness, they are still weak as dogshit even after 2 months of going there.. 2 plates on leg press drop set burn em` lmao. it's just a weak program that keeps people weak physically & mentally.
Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual
Post by: aiir on March 28, 2011, 06:49:51 pm
lmao

I read the video as 3 weeks ago I could barely touch rim...and then I saw net....then I saw his reach....rofl
Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual
Post by: adarqui on April 06, 2011, 07:35:50 am
more like "the derp manual"

derp


(http://i52.tinypic.com/2rnbiib.jpg)
Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: aiir on April 06, 2011, 06:32:07 pm
lol @ caption

adam link....7 time ACC something? wtf? loool
Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: adarqui on April 07, 2011, 08:18:41 pm
lol @ caption

adam link....7 time ACC something? wtf? loool

wow i didn't even catch that.............. WTF hahahaah12$!@$!@$!@%!@$%!@)$(!@)%$(!@

great catch, that makes the pic even more hilarious.. epic
Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: steventar on April 10, 2011, 01:05:26 am
One fraud using another fraud's video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8zmubRWCog
Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: adarqui on April 10, 2011, 04:16:24 am
One fraud using another fraud's video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8zmubRWCog

interesting concept.. good find
Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: swans05 on April 10, 2011, 04:52:11 am
actually came across a free download of it a week or 2 ago, had a look and closed it down - no good in my humble opinion

except maybe if you've been on the couch for since 1993
Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: Jacob Hiller on April 27, 2011, 08:11:03 pm
This stuff is just mean.

There's nothing I can defend here, it's just a hate party.

Honestly Andrew... You're a cool guy... good Youtube progress channel, knowledgeable, original...

...but this is below you man. 

This is just getting together with friends and bashing me and demonizing me.

Nothing I can do...

Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: adarqui on April 27, 2011, 08:50:12 pm
jump manual is trash, he's always saying "Vertical explozion", he believes leg press is more effective than squat, he promotes squatflex, he thinks lower back is the most important "prime mover" in vertical jumping, he lies about his vert, he's made millions of dollars doing it, he leads everyone astray, he claims jump manual is how he got to 45" vert but he can't even use his own manual to get him back to 45" vert which makes no sense, he posts pictures of him ripping rims off backboards instead of videos, he claims his elbow to fingertip is 13 inches yet he has long arms for deadlifting, he claims his reach is t-rex level but he's got long arms for deadlifting, he got raped on adarq.org and ducked everyone's questions - instead replying with unrelated damage control answers, he's teamed up with maroko & company, he used brandon todd as a testimonial for jump manual but we all know brandon todd didn't use that shitty ass manual, he's good at photoshop.

discuss.


^^ mean, possibly, true, definitely.

i appreciate your support on my various youtube channels. if you were to put out dunk videos & training footage, i would most likely do the same, but that issue is separate from promoting squatflex, leg press over squat, claiming elite vert numbers without a shred of proof & basing your product off of it (there's no way anyone is going to make an elite transformation leg pressing), claiming it's easy to get to 40" vert, having the most insanely annoying "affiliate marketing system" known to man kind, teaming up with maroko/jumpusa, etc.

bottom line, this industry if full of what YOU do.. offer a program that is backed by lies.. maroko does it, taylor allan does it, adam linkenauger does it, you do it, squatdr does it, everyone does it, it's pathetic.. the industry is full of people doing a few things:

1. writing programs based on bullshit stats.. if the stats are bullshit, then the program said to have resulted in bullshit stats makes no sense and is ineffective.
2. someone impressive claiming they utilized a program/training ideology when they didn't.

that's pretty much the industry in a nutshell..

nobody is going to improve vert/speed to any great amount by leg pressing..
Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: TheSituation on April 27, 2011, 09:05:35 pm
This stuff is just mean.

There's nothing I can defend here, it's just a hate party.

Honestly Andrew... You're a cool guy... good Youtube progress channel, knowledgeable, original...

...but this is below you man. 

This is just getting together with friends and bashing me and demonizing me.

Nothing I can do...



Playing victim instead of debunking everything that was said. Never seen that one before.

There is a lot you can do. Stop spitting bullshit, stop making false claims, and stop associating with scammers. That'd hurt your income so obviously you won't do it, but you can't expect hugs and kisses when you do everything that we are against.
Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: aiir on April 27, 2011, 09:14:31 pm
DEAR JACOB HILLER: IT IS JAN 1 2011, YOU TOLD US TO WAIT UNTIL JAN 1, IT'S JAN 1, AND WE'RE JUST DYING OF ANTICIPATION.

WHATS UP?!?!!?






bump
Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: adarqui on April 27, 2011, 09:15:37 pm
DEAR JACOB HILLER: IT IS JAN 1 2011, YOU TOLD US TO WAIT UNTIL JAN 1, IT'S JAN 1, AND WE'RE JUST DYING OF ANTICIPATION.

WHATS UP?!?!!?






bump

yeah, what was up with that jan 1st shit?
Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: Jacob Hiller on April 29, 2011, 06:02:06 am
JC - It's not about "playing victim."  Di  I really have chance with you guys?  Honestly I think you just don't like me... You sure don't :)  I guess I should be more sympathetic to some of your reasons...  Like the affiliates spamming.. that is legit.  I'll try a bit here... 


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IT'S JAN 1
- I asked you guys to treat my like a regular dude until Jan 1st... that never happened.  I said I would look at saying I never jumped high...

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1. writing programs based on bullshit stats.. if the stats are bullshit, then the program said to have resulted in bullshit stats makes no sense and is ineffective

I don't know what stats your talking about.

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2. someone impressive claiming they utilized a program/training ideology when they didn't.

??

You say you havne't even ready my stuff...

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nobody is going to improve vert/speed to any great amount by leg pressing.. he believes leg press is more effective than squat

I never say leg press is better than squatting... ever.

http://freeverticaljumptraining.com/vertical_jump_exercises/jumping-higher-equipment/can-leg-press-increase-my-vertical-leap-controversy/

Here I explain my stance... I do think it has a use... but I never say it is better...

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he thinks lower back is the most important "prime mover" in vertical jumping

I never say this either...  although I do say lower back training is overlooked.  And I also use the word "prime mover" haha...


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he claims jump manual is how he got to 45"

My own manual is how I got a 44" vert... It's true I don't have video footage.

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he claims his elbow to fingertip is 13 inches

LOL

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he claims his reach is t-rex level

This is true... whatever it means.

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he used brandon todd as a testimonial

Long story... nice guy.. but he gave me a testimonial (I didn't even know him), and now he wants me to take it down.  I'm as confused as you are.

Btodd is cool guy, and knowledgeable on training, he has his own thing now and doesn't want ot be associated with Jump Manual.  I don't blame him, but I can't say he never gave me what he gave me.

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on adarq.org and ducked everyone's questions - instead replying with unrelated damage control answers

I think you don't like my answers or me.  I don't really have chance.

The "call em out" section of the forum is one of the biggest on your forum.  You've called out me... Eric Cressey, Joe Defranco, and load of other good and not so good trainers.  Why the need to make everyone look bad?  Why all the hatin?

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he's good at photoshop.

You claimed my facebook profile pic was shopped, and my broken rim was shopped.  Both are not...

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^^ mean, possibly, true, definitely


Most of what you say is lies in that statement.. mixed with some truth.



Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: Jacob Hiller on April 29, 2011, 11:49:57 am
Your most relevant gripe is the affiliates...

I have affiliates who are using my name on Fbook, twitter... and it's embarrassing, people think it's me and sometimes they post some weird stuff.

But they are being warned to take them down, and if they don't they'll be removed...

JWoodrup (deals with it to just not on the same scale.  I saw someone using a Jacob Tucker video to advertise Vertical Mastery... using a link called the "tuckerguide."

Of course I have many more and very annoying stuff being done... I'm genuinely sorry for that and send emails all the time to warn them or block them.

I don't have the "button" to turn them off... first we warn them and often they stop right away... then some start back up.

I would MUCH rather all my affiliates only do "good" promotion... to be honest the vast majority are very good, and don't do bad promos like that.

You may have the impression that the spammy affiliates make tons of money... but they don't... they do make some, but not much.  Most of those spammy annoying promos are extremely transparent and do nothing but make people mad... at me usually.  Because they think I'm doing it... but I'm not.

I could shut down the entire program, but again most of these affiliates are great, and use my articles and videos to promote on their own blogs or to their own lists... etc...

I would genuinely love to clean up the affiliates promos...


Honesty I can see how it would be annoying and reflect back on me if the affiliates do stupid spammy promos.

I'd much rather they didn't OR not have them at all... Of course you don't believe me about that.

But I'd much rather not have people mad at me or associate me with a bad promo.... long term it's definitely better.

My affiliate program like Jacks is a "managed" program meaning I don't have direct control of who does what, I can only snoop out their ID and make complaints... then if they don't stop they can be shut down.

I made at least 20 requests... usually it's a few people spoiling it for all the others.




Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: Jacob Hiller on April 29, 2011, 12:05:02 pm
I'd be very happy to disagree or debate on specific points of training with you guys.

Andrew, I see you all over online... I'd rather we night be in petty fights... in fact I thought we we're on friendly terms although I know you disagreed with me on some things... (normal) until I saw this post.

It looks like we watch all the same youtube channels etc...

I think some people like this internet bashing type of stuff, but I'd much rather disagree... I mean.. I don't bash like this in real life... I doubt you do either, so why do we do it online?

Have you watched my youtube vids?  Have you seen my articles on my blog?

Disagree with them like a gentleman.. not... "This is wrong... you mother#$%$, you're so #$%# wrong... DERP!"

More like... "You really think ___, but isn't it true that ____, how can you still think _____?"

Honestly if you convinced me otherwise I'd change my mind, and we'd all be the better.

I'd rather be on good terms... But know when you get all up in the camera... all I hear is... DERP you!

Seriously man... some of my affiliates are spammy and I need to get them tamed or out.

We disagree on a few points of training.... so what.  You think your right - I think I am...

I promote Alex Maroko.. why?  I think he has the best dribbling product.. show me a better one and I'll promote that instead.
I promote Taylor Alan... why  I think he has the best shooting product... show me a better one and I'll refer that.
(I used to promote a different one, but I think Taylor's is better...)
Supplements I usually promote Bodybuilding.com as they have the best selection of cheap or high quality products... find me a better one...

I don't really know what your problem with them is... but I promote them solely for their products.

Let's disagree.. then call me wrong.

I disagree with lots of trainers, doesn't mean I go home and call them derps.. haha...

Anyways... I'm done whining.. here. 

Do you think this is possible?




Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: LanceSTS on April 29, 2011, 12:23:40 pm
Your most relevant gripe is the affiliates...

I have affiliates who are using my name on Fbook, twitter... and it's embarrassing, people think it's me and sometimes they post some weird stuff.

But they are being warned to take them down, and if they don't they'll be removed...

JWoodrup (deals with it to just not on the same scale.  I saw someone using a Jacob Tucker video to advertise Vertical Mastery... using a link called the "tuckerguide."

Of course I have many more and very annoying stuff being done... I'm genuinely sorry for that and send emails all the time to warn them or block them.

I don't have the "button" to turn them off... first we warn them and often they stop right away... then some start back up.

I would MUCH rather all my affiliates only do "good" promotion... to be honest the vast majority are very good, and don't do bad promos like that.

You may have the impression that the spammy affiliates make tons of money... but they don't... they do make some, but not much.  Most of those spammy annoying promos are extremely transparent and do nothing but make people mad... at me usually.  Because they think I'm doing it... but I'm not.

I could shut down the entire program, but again most of these affiliates are great, and use my articles and videos to promote on their own blogs or to their own lists... etc...

I would genuinely love to clean up the affiliates promos...


Honesty I can see how it would be annoying and reflect back on me if the affiliates do stupid spammy promos.

I'd much rather they didn't OR not have them at all... Of course you don't believe me about that.

But I'd much rather not have people mad at me or associate me with a bad promo.... long term it's definitely better.

My affiliate program like Jacks is a "managed" program meaning I don't have direct control of who does what, I can only snoop out their ID and make complaints... then if they don't stop they can be shut down.

I made at least 20 requests... usually it's a few people spoiling it for all the others.






If you stop paying them to do it, I bet they will quit doing it.
Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: Jacob Hiller on April 29, 2011, 12:50:19 pm
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If you stop paying them to do it, I bet they will quit doing it.

Logistically it's not that simple or even possible.

Initially I don't even know who they are.. I have to go snoop it out.

Then I send an email to my account manager, who then contacts the affiliate, warns them, or removes them.

Of course sometimes they can resurface as another ID with a new name....

I also don't pay them.... at least directly... this is all handled through CB, automatically.

What I can do is find out their ID, and try and track down their activity... and you'd be surprised that spammy affiliates generate much more negative attention then they do positive cash flow.

Overall I don't consider it a positive.

Again the VAST majority of our affiliates run great sites that are driven off good content, or they have their own products as well.

I definitely don't encourage spammy stuff, BUT I could do a better job of policing it... it's hard to keep track of it.

I've ramped it up a bit in the past several months - especially with the Facebook clones... they post some stuff that is embarrassing to think that people think it is me.

Jack and many others will deal with it on a smaller scale until they get more affiliates.

I use alerts to keep track of stuff but it never pulls up stuff that shows up on Youtube, which is where the most annoying stuff goes on.. I think.





Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: TheSituation on April 29, 2011, 12:51:39 pm
I promote Alex Maroko.. why?  I think he has the best dribbling product.. show me a better one and I'll promote that instead.
I promote Taylor Alan... why  I think he has the best shooting product... show me a better one and I'll refer that.
(I used to promote a different one, but I think Taylor's is better...)
Supplements I usually promote Bodybuilding.com as they have the best selection of cheap or high quality products... find me a better one...

Never seen Maroko or Taylor Allan's programs, but I guarantee that Better Basketball is better
Bodybuilding.com is expensive for supplements. Try http://www.massnutrition.com/index.cfm or if you want "supplements" that actually work, http://www.prohormoneforum.com/store  .  ;D

You promote squat flex. That automatically makes you a "scammer". If you truly believe in it, then you are an idiot anyway.
Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: Jacob Hiller on April 29, 2011, 12:59:43 pm
JC -

Thanks for the links i'll check them out...

Before you "guarantee" that BB is better, check out the other programs... I'd be interested.

Prohormones eh?

JC - With you when we disagree on a subject... you just call me an idiot... that's at least a step above :)  I don't know you or why you wanna hate so much... but you seem pretty untouchable so there's not much I can do.

I also think if the SF people didn't market like they do you wouldn't hate them so much.. just disagree... in the end I think you guys biggest gripe ends up being the marketing, and how it gets more attention then something that might be more legit.

I think that sparks all the backlash... which I can understand that.

I pledge to put less hype in my marketing, and police the stuff from my affiliates.

I have a redesign already that's been planned, and it's WAY less hype... my last one was designed for me, and I don't like some of the stuff.

Unfortunately I'm not a designer.

In fact... I think less hypey is more effective anyways...  nobody wants to be hyped.

Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: adarqui on April 29, 2011, 01:02:08 pm
i'll respond to the other stuff later.. here's something else instead:

(http://i51.tinypic.com/bgb48g.png)




 :wowthatwasnutswtf:

ok, 100's of athlete to 40? where?

many students gained 20 inches on vert? so if the average standing vert is 24-26" for a male, they are standing/running vert around 45+ now? where?

can you link me to one person who has a journal on any forum that has done jump manual, and gained impressively? 10+ inches? can you link me to anyone who has gained 20+ inches?

the impressive transformations have no youtube's right, no journals, etc, here, let me link my take on that:

http://www.adarq.org/forum/call-em-out/how-come-more-coaches-don%27t-have-training-logsjournals/

your issues stem at the root: 44, 100's of 40's, many students gaining 20+ inches.. come on now.
Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: Jacob Hiller on April 29, 2011, 01:02:48 pm
Lance -

Also the youtube vids that affiliates post... I cannot get Youtube to remove them.. only the original copyright holder of the vid can.

Essentially an affiliate is "independent" and has a relationship only with CB, who manages the program.

That said... I need to do a better job of policing it...

I need to get the same guys who run UFC to handle that!  I can never find a UFC fight online those guys are amazing.  
Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: Jacob Hiller on April 29, 2011, 01:14:22 pm
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many students gained 20 inches on vert? so if the average standing vert is 24-26" for a male, they are standing/running vert around 45+ now? where?

can you link me to one person who has a journal on any forum that has done jump manual, and gained impressively? 10+ inches? can you link me to anyone who has gained 20+ inches?

I've had tons of people get their running verts to over 40 inches.  And there's lots of them on my facebook... and many of them have dunk vids...

However, they haven't documented their training as well as you have...  but you can see the results of their training by looking at their dunk vids. 

Getting them to make dunk vids alone is tough.

So I can get you many people who jump 40 inches (running vert)... but they won't have a full youtube documentation.

I'm impressed with your documentation on youtube, and even your journals here... (youtube is better)

The 20 inch vertical gains are much less frequent and come when people com in as beginners, lose significant weight, and then start making really good gains long term.

The new Jump Manual (coming soon) already as built in training logs and mobile apps so tracking is going to be super easy.

Many of our current users are tracking with our tracking sheet system already.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qoFqw4NQ_4M

Without documentation I could put that to "many"... we have seen a lot of 40 inch running verts.

Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: TheSituation on April 29, 2011, 01:19:12 pm
JC -

Thanks for the links i'll check them out...

Before you "guarantee" that BB is better, check out the other programs... I'd be interested.

Prohormones eh?

JC - With you when we disagree on a subject... you just call me an idiot... that's at least a step above :)  I don't know you or why you wanna hate so much... but you seem pretty untouchable so there's not much I can do.

I also think if the SF people didn't market like they do you wouldn't hate them so much.. just disagree... in the end I think you guys biggest gripe ends up being the marketing, and how it gets more attention then something that might be more legit.

I think that sparks all the backlash... which I can understand that.

I pledge to put less hype in my marketing, and police the stuff from my affiliates.

I have a redesign already that's been planned, and it's WAY less hype... my last one was designed for me, and I don't like some of the stuff.

Unfortunately I'm not a designer.

In fact... I think less hypey is more effective anyways...  nobody wants to be hyped.



You are the other goons are 100% responsible for the marketing. There's tons of bs "vert" equipment out there, but I don't get emailed by 10 different guys promoting it. How can you say you understand our backlash, when you are 100% responsible for it?
Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: adarqui on April 29, 2011, 01:22:23 pm
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many students gained 20 inches on vert? so if the average standing vert is 24-26" for a male, they are standing/running vert around 45+ now? where?

can you link me to one person who has a journal on any forum that has done jump manual, and gained impressively? 10+ inches? can you link me to anyone who has gained 20+ inches?

I've had tons of people get their running verts to over 40 inches.  And there's lots of them on my facebook... and many of them have dunk vids...

However, they haven't documented their training as well as you have...  but you can see the results of their training by looking at their dunk vids. 

Getting them to make dunk vids alone is tough.

So I can get you many people who jump 40 inches (running vert)... but they won't have a full youtube documentation.

I'm impressed with your documentation on youtube, and even your journals here... (youtube is better)

The 20 inch vertical gains are much less frequent and come when people com in as beginners, lose significant weight, and then start making really good gains long term.

The new Jump Manual (coming soon) already as built in training logs and mobile apps so tracking is going to be super easy.

Many of our current users are tracking with our tracking sheet system already.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qoFqw4NQ_4M

Without documentation I could put that to "many"... we have seen a lot of 40 inch running verts.



the fact that you think that kid is jumping 40 says alot about you & your 44/100's of 40 claims.. that could would be lucky to have hit 30" once in that video.. if you want me to completely destroy the vid and dissect it i could, but it's pretty obvious to anyone who has eyeballs.

i'll dissect it maybe later for fun, but let's just put it this way, if that rim is 10' (which i doubt, looks like 9'8 or so), that kid would still be jumping low 30's and im being generous.

adios
Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: Jacob Hiller on April 29, 2011, 01:59:18 pm
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that kid would still be jumping low 30's and im being generous.

He doesn't jump half as well with the ball but...
(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/11791097/mattgodley.jpg)

His head is within a few inches of that rim.

If that rim is 10 - he's about ~41 inches... of course you can claim it's low...  

But it it is 10.. the he's jumping over 40 inches in that initial pic... but not jumping near as high with the ball.

If not... he's still pretty high on that initial pic.  Of course I wasn't there to measure it so...

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There's tons of bs "vert" equipment out there, but I don't get emailed by 10 different guys promoting it. How can you say you understand our backlash, when you are 100% responsible for it?

I'm only aware of one piece of equipment that I market... that you don' like.

I'm just saying I understand why you don't like they hypey affiliates marketing.
Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: Jacob Hiller on April 29, 2011, 02:07:35 pm
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"Kangaroo SuperHops BlastForce Deluxe Kevin Bacon"

lol

I'm really impressed with your use and insistence of workout journals...

You're of course not the only one who hears about peoples verts then tests them.

I test my vert every training session, and carry a measuring tape to check the rims.

I also think if more people were doing it we'd get an adjustment of what is actually possible.

This is something that can be improved on...

Tracking sheets are cool, but I think the Youtube videos is the best.



Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: Jacob Hiller on April 29, 2011, 02:13:11 pm
Andrew -

To be completely in the clear.. I think you should measure the rims for your dunk sessions.

It's surprising how much rims can vary... even in places like 24 hours fitness.

Just carry a small measuring tape in your bag.

When I post my first vid I know I'm going to have to show measurement... but even then it'll be called shopped I'm sure.

Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: Jacob Hiller on April 29, 2011, 02:18:30 pm
http://freeverticaljumptraining.com/happy-dunkers/

Here is also a page we are putting together, it's about 1/6th done.

But it's true that these aren't video training logs... these are just random un solicited testimonials.

We probably have 1000 unposted testimonials.

But i'm guessing they don't mean anything to you unless they have a good video journal... fair.

Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: adarqui on April 29, 2011, 03:27:34 pm
Andrew -

To be completely in the clear.. I think you should measure the rims for your dunk sessions.

It's surprising how much rims can vary... even in places like 24 hours fitness.

ya good idea, let me measure every hoop i go to since i dunk at like 10+ different courts.. great idea.. anyway i have measured a bunch of them, that's why i call some courts 9'11 and most are 10', but from my videos you can obviously tell what is 10' or not.. the video you posted looks like a fisher price hoop and he uses horrible camera angles, overlay him next to the guy holding the ball for his lob and he'd look horribly low, he has absolutely no hangtime in his jump, and every piece of footage in that video neglects to show the ground which is pretty astonishing, good coaching on that one.

ill rip apart your friend's video later tonight when i get back, he's not even close to 40, that video is a joke no offense.




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Just carry a small measuring tape in your bag.

When I post my first vid I know I'm going to have to show measurement... but even then it'll be called shopped I'm sure.



how bout you post some videos before asking me to put a measuring tape in my bag, because i have uploaded over 300 videos to youtube and you have yet to upload 1.. i've probably dunked on over 15 courts & posted the footage, the last thing i care about when going to some stupid fucking court is measuring the stupid fucking hoop, i know what's 10 and what isn't.. i don't enjoy dunking on low rims one bit, that's why i don't have one low rim video on my youtube, it's boring and pathetic, some people should take note.

plus i have vertec footage, do you? I have footage of my jumping 36.5" on a vertec and i'm clearly jumping higher than that now..

where's your vertec footage? where's your.......... footage?

once you upload a vid then make your requests, until then, continue uploading videos of pictures of videos.

bottom line, don't even begin to question my stats when you're ENTIRE HISTORY is a complete lie..

you have nothing

no footage.

no proof.

nothing.

absolutely nothing.

nil.

zero.

nada.

zilch.

you are a joke, until you prove otherwise.. when you drop your video then maybe people will start to respect you around here, until then you're just some fake vert authority using bullshit stats to promote his leg press training system & whore out b.s. like squatflex.

this forum is full of athletes, not little wimps who claim shit and don't back it up.. you aren't special.. anyone on this site claiming numbers needs to back them up or fuck off.. well they can stay, sure, whatever, but if you claim big numbers and don't back them up, you get zero respect around here.. you've made claims, many claims, that are downright fucking retarded..

100's of 40's

20+ inches on your student's verts

44" RVJ for yourself

you bug me, bad.. because you have the nerve to keep coming on here trying to justify your BULLSHIT.. just man the fuck up or get lost man, it's as simple as that..

like i said months ago, why don't you just use the jump manual and get back to 44" RVJ?

lmfao @ a guy who brings a tape measure with him everywhere he goes, to every court, measuring hoops, and only posts videos of pictures of videos ..........

man you got me rolling.

adios


Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: Jacob Hiller on April 29, 2011, 03:38:17 pm
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ya good idea, let me measure every hoop i go to since i dunk at like 10+ different courts.. great idea.. anyway i have measured a bunch of them, that's why i call some courts 9'11 and most are 10', but from my videos you can obviously tell what is 10' or not.. the video you posted looks like a fisher price hoop and he uses horrible camera angles, overlay him next to the guy holding the ball for his lob and he'd look horribly low, he has absolutely no hangtime in his jump, and every piece of footage in that video neglects to show the ground which is pretty astonishing, good coaching on that one.


It doesn't take time at all... if you know your reach and have a small tape measure takes a couple seconds.


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ill rip apart your friend's video later tonight when i get back, he's not even close to 40, that video is a joke no offense.

Please don't, he offered me that testimonial, and I don't want him to be "ripped"... besides I just grabbed one of the first ones... if it's not a 10' rim it's not at big deal.. he's just one.

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bottom line, don't even begin to question my stats when you're ENTIRE HISTORY is a complete lie..

Easy... I wasn't questioning your stats, I just think it'd be cool.  You're not being attacked.

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lmfao @ a guy who brings a tape measure with him everywhere he goes, to every court, measuring hoops, and only posts videos of pictures of videos .........

I have reasons for not posting dunk vids now, but I dunk for people all the time in person.

Listen... get on a skype with me RIGHT NOW... and I'll show you my most recent progress vid that has me jumping ~42 inches.

I'm serious... but you gotta promise not to record it :)

Let's go...

And yes I measure the rim in the video with my tape measure...

It's nice to know for sure because sometimes the surface aids in hops a bit.

Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: Raptor on April 29, 2011, 04:51:05 pm
I'm feeling some Squatdreitis occuring...
Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: thewon888 on April 29, 2011, 04:56:38 pm
Why won't he put up a vid of him yamming it? That's the easiest way to quench the haterade! Just put up a VID .
Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: Jacob Hiller on April 29, 2011, 05:05:36 pm
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Why won't he put up a vid of him yamming it? That's the easiest way to quench the haterade! Just put up a VID .

lol

I will, I have tons, and I show them in coaching sessions... i have reason for not showing yet, that you probably won't agree with... and maybe you're right...

BUT.. I'd be willing to give ole Andrew a sneak peak... :)

Raptor... no fake pics... real deal vids, on measured hoops...

Hey I'll be coming to Romania...quit hatin' so when I come we can ball.

Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: thewon888 on April 29, 2011, 05:14:24 pm
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Why won't he put up a vid of him yamming it? That's the easiest way to quench the haterade! Just put up a VID .

lol

I will, I have tons, and I show them in coaching sessions... i have reason for not showing yet, that you probably won't agree with... and maybe you're right...

Is it for shock value and making vids cheapens the effect for your clients? I believe you and have your program, just wanted to see you dunk. How much can you leg press or squat btw?
Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: Jacob Hiller on April 29, 2011, 05:28:52 pm
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Is it for shock value and making vids cheapens the effect for your clients? I believe you and have your program, just wanted to see you dunk. How much can you leg press or squat btw?

Thanks man...

BTW - Sign up for a coaching session and I'll show you a couple vids during the session.

I want my first vids to be where I was at my prime.  If not I think it will just encourage more haters...

I'm pretty close right now ~42 on my best days (I'll show you the vid on coaching session)...

But we travel a TON so my gym and diet are always in flux.

I'm in Ethiopia now, and all I eat is tibbis and injera... lol...

But at least I have a decent facility here... not always the case.

We are leaving for Cairo next week so hopefully I can keep up the training as well as I have here, with better diet.

During travel I've had to work with a ton more bodyweight stuff when we are "in transit"... but it's gone really well, and I expect to be at the 44" level again soon.



Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: Raptor on April 29, 2011, 05:48:05 pm
OK, but only if I can kiss you and you give me half of your wealth. How about that?
Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: Jacob Hiller on April 29, 2011, 05:53:29 pm
I don't agree to that.
Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: thewon888 on April 29, 2011, 07:15:16 pm
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How much can you leg press or squat btw?

Thanks man...

BTW - Sign up for a coaching session and I'll show you a couple vids during the session.

I want my first vids to be where I was at my prime.  If not I think it will just encourage more haters...

I'm pretty close right now ~42 on my best days (I'll show you the vid on coaching session)...

But we travel a TON so my gym and diet are always in flux.

I'm in Ethiopia now, and all I eat is tibbis and injera... lol...

But at least I have a decent facility here... not always the case.

We are leaving for Cairo next week so hopefully I can keep up the training as well as I have here, with better diet.

During travel I've had to work with a ton more bodyweight stuff when we are "in transit"... but it's gone really well, and I expect to be at the 44" level again soon.





That's great you're trying to be the Andrew Zimmern of VJ eating tibbis and injera. But how much could you squat or leg press when you were at your peak?
Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: Jacob Hiller on April 29, 2011, 07:25:26 pm
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That's great you're trying to be the Andrew Zimmern of VJ

WTF?  I don't know what that means...

BTW - please hit me up on FB or somewhere else, nearly everything I say will come under heavy fire here :)

Hit me up though cool?
Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: Jacob Hiller on April 29, 2011, 07:45:34 pm
Late in Ethio..  I'm out... locals want me to play soccer in the morning... gonna be ugly.

Offer is still good on the skype vid, but it'll have to be tomorrow... 

Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: D4 on April 29, 2011, 08:28:53 pm
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That's great you're trying to be the Andrew Zimmern of VJ

WTF?  I don't know what that means...

BTW - please hit me up on FB or somewhere else, nearly everything I say will come under heavy fire here :)

Hit me up though cool?

Stop ducking the leg press and squat question.  It's a simple answer he wants to know out of curiosity.  Just answer it, you ignored it twice now.
Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: Jacob Hiller on April 29, 2011, 08:42:47 pm
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Stop ducking the leg press and squat question.  It's a simple answer he wants to know out of curiosity.  Just answer it, you ignored it twice now

Not ducking it, just not answering it here...

I get called out for everything I say on this site... Guarantee that little talk would turn into a hate fest.

I got called out for saying my Powerbeats were ruined by sweat... wtf?!  Amongst many other things...

I'm more than happy to answer those questions, just not here where about 5 people will start swarming.

Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: TheSituation on April 29, 2011, 08:59:39 pm
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Stop ducking the leg press and squat question.  It's a simple answer he wants to know out of curiosity.  Just answer it, you ignored it twice now

Not ducking it, just not answering it here...

I get called out for everything I say on this site... Guarantee that little talk would turn into a hate fest.

I got called out for saying my Powerbeats were ruined by sweat... wtf?!  Amongst many other things...

I'm more than happy to answer those questions, just not here where about 5 people will start swarming.




if you posted videos nobody would question anything. Why can't you post the vert video on youtube? It doesn't make any sense. You claim a high vert, claim you have video proof, but you won't show us. If you are "embarrassed" by being able to jump high, you wouldn't make any claims.

People call you out because everything you say is ridiculous.
Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: Jacob Hiller on April 29, 2011, 09:07:15 pm
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if you posted videos nobody would question anything. Why can't you post the vert video on youtube? It doesn't make any sense. You claim a high vert, claim you have video proof, but you won't show us. If you are "embarrassed" by being able to jump high, you wouldn't make any claims

You telling me if I posted a current progress vid of 40+ inches you would chill? 

I know you don't agree with my reasons, but I have the vid, and I'll show it to Andrew on skype.

If I could get the above in writing it would be pretty tempting though... lol... but I might actually miss the uncalled for hatefulness that characterizes all our interactions.
Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: piR on April 29, 2011, 09:35:45 pm
This thread is hilarious..

But honestly, Jacob there is no way you can win this war unless you post up some footage, these guys know how to hold grudges and are a lot smarter than average internet users and are not to be fucked with.
I myself believe you have gotten some athletes decent results, but nothing earth shattering. I'm sure you're program is decent and could work for most but is definitely not ideal. I'm very skeptical of your vert claims and the results athletes have gotten, it doesn't help your image with the "in the know" crowd and the guys here, but It's great for business I assume.

I can't really respect you as a coach until you have some legit footage up, but from a business prospective I definitely have respect because you've built the most intricate affiliate program and most successful vertical jump product on the market, but still you're a scammer at heart. You just have to ask yourself what's more important, being seen as a scammer or being rich. Some coaches, like Andrew for example would rather be broke for life than ever sell out - I think he could live comfortably if he even just released a program, but he doesn't.. While other coaches, such as yourself would rather make a buck than deliver on what you promise. That doesn't make you a bad person, it just makes you human, survival of the fittest; we all gotta eat. I'm certain 99% of the world would do the same exact thing you have done, it's not like you did anything awful, just a bit unethical, you just took money from middle - upper class white kids.

Fuck Bitches Get Money

Peace.
Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: TheSituation on April 30, 2011, 03:26:59 am
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if you posted videos nobody would question anything. Why can't you post the vert video on youtube? It doesn't make any sense. You claim a high vert, claim you have video proof, but you won't show us. If you are "embarrassed" by being able to jump high, you wouldn't make any claims

You telling me if I posted a current progress vid of 40+ inches you would chill? 

I know you don't agree with my reasons, but I have the vid, and I'll show it to Andrew on skype.

If I could get the above in writing it would be pretty tempting though... lol... but I might actually miss the uncalled for hatefulness that characterizes all our interactions.

If you do all the measurements and can prove you have a vertical jump (or running if thats what you're claiming) of 40 inches, I will never respond to you negatively again even though I think you are retarded for actually believing in squat flex (like you claim). And I've been bashing you since our streetball talk days so that's a pretty sweet deal. However, I can't speak for everyone else though, as there will still be bitterness about you being a scammer.



Rip knows what's up. I remember every single post of someone I have a grudge against and use it against them whenever possible, even if it was posted years ago. It's not that I don't have a life, I just have amazing memory (even without adderall).

I also turned down a line of adderall at a party today. Feels good man


One more thing, going on what Rip said, I don't think you need to be a good athlete to be a good coach, but if you are going to claim high numbers for yourself or your athletes, you better post some videos. One thing that makes Defranco so respected is that for every PR claim he has for an athlete, he posts a video of it.  His training principles may not always be sound, but he gets results and has videos to show for it (And yea, some of his athletes are probably on steroids, but I don't think he knows about it). Jacob is in a similar situation. Sure I think you're retarded for liking the squat flex, leg press, and thinking the lower back is a prime mover, but if you get results for either yourself or athletes you train, then you are a good coach.

Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: TheSituation on April 30, 2011, 04:16:43 am
An example of my skills

(http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/395/screenshot20110430at414.png)


Lets see those names and numbers Jake
Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: adarqui on April 30, 2011, 04:30:36 am
An example of my skills

(http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/395/screenshot20110430at414.png)


Lets see those names and numbers Jake

2008? hmmmmm, what year is it? oh ok, 2011.. right, actually nearing 2012. Mr. Hiller still typing the same old stuff after 4 years.  :wowthatwasnutswtf:

Mr. Hiller, i see the testimonials, cool i'm glad people are claiming to have a good experience with your program, but, how many people have you actually trained, in person, to 40" or more? I see you resorting to testimonials of h.s. kids going "oh hey bro i jump 40 now thanks alot!!!!" etc, and i see videos you link of people who are obviously not jumping 40, such as matthew godley which i will get to tomorrow (respectfully, relax i won't shit on him), but i don't see any footage of you actually training anyone to 40, for example, like that other guy on youtube does (the freetofly guy).. He has videos of him working with athletes and he demonstrates their improvements, so those are very legit testimonials, plus he uses a vertec to measure progress. Most actual coaches do that, myself, lance, defranco, everyone who actually coaches people. I'm not trying to claim you're not a legit coach, i'm just wondering where the ACTUAL COACHING FOOTAGE is. You seem eager to put up videos of other people's testimonials etc, i would imagine you would be eager to put up videos of your own coaching?

How many people have you coached in person who have been measured, by you, to 40" or more on vert? How many people have you coached in person, in general? How are the indian high jumpers doing? You got any footage of them?

You do understand that 40 inch verts are insanely rare right? You only see 1 or 2 40" RVJ's in the nba combine, and even then sometimes nobody gets to 40..




Sorry I was out all day, so I couldn't take you up on your skype offer, maybe tomorrow who knows.. I'd be interested for sure.

Every single person on this forum would lay off you regarding YOUR VERT CLAIMS if you posted some decent videos.. I'm astonished that you think people would still shit on you if you posted an athletic video of yourself? You're 6'4, anything near 40 would look insanely impressive, which should be easy given your fingertip to elbow measurements & touch height claimed in the other thread :F That fact has nothing to do with the other points: promoting squatflex (which you don't do anymore ironically......), leg press for vert, claiming to have trained 100's of people to 40" or more, etc.. those are entirely different issues.

You seem to go around in circles, for years, avoiding putting out footage.. Look at it from our side, it's pretty obvious to us why you would do that. We don't understand why someone who wrote a jump program based on a "system" they used to reach 44" RVJ off 3 steps, wouldn't be able to put out footage in over 4 years of themself dunking/doing something impressive. The only thing we have to go on is a picture of you in some yard dunking on some hoop on a fence and the surface is grass/dirt.

Regards,

Adarqui.
Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: TheSituation on April 30, 2011, 05:19:25 am
LOL
http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/2172/screenshot20110430at516.png
(http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/2172/screenshot20110430at516.png)


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I'll find more of your bullshit Hiller, don't worry.  Don't try and delete your posts from sbt either, cause the forum is deleted. Post a vert video and I'll stop.
Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: Jacob Hiller on April 30, 2011, 08:07:39 am
JC - Sorry man I can't see those images.  But I'm definitely curious!

Also, I'm seriously considering posting a little progress vid for you guys that shows over ~40 " vert.

But before I even think about that let's make sure you verify that the rim is 10':

(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/11791097/rimheight.jpg)

I measured this on site...   I should have made a video of the measuring.

Let me know if you confirm you believe or can tell it's 10' with your jedi tricks.

Maybe you guys are right, maybe it'll be a good thing to post it...

I'll definitely show you tonite though Andrew... unless you disapprove of the rim... then I'll just need to make footage of the measuring process.

But if you disapprove that rim... your just wrong.


Rip - Fair enough, I thnk we do well because all our athletes get results.  IMO you don't have to choose one or the other.  Serve people well and people will pay you for it.  Andrew doesn't really even have a product yet but this forum is pretty dang good.

JC - I can't see those pics so I don't know what you're talking about.

Adarq -

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How many people have you coached in person who have been measured, by you, to 40" or more on vert? How many people have you coached in person, in general? How are the indian high jumpers doing? You got any footage of them?

You do understand that 40 inch verts are insanely rare right? You only see 1 or 2 40" RVJ's in the nba combine, and even then sometimes nobody gets to 40..

I've coached countless people in person... in Africa I'm training entire teams and I've seen several 40" from more or less "untrained" athletes... but I wouldn't say I'm responsible for those.

And yes I did train with Indian athletes at the Sports Authority of India for a about a 3 month period.

I don't do much footage yet, but I should.  I have still pics with the Indian high jumpers and power lifters.  As well as some footage when I accompanied them to their meet. 

I also have pictures with most of the coaches whose teams I worked with and some pics with the players or during their games.

I should make more vids though, I should have my wife come and video the sessions - which we've thought about doing.

Why I have worked with many in person 40" verts the massive number of athletes we can work with online makes it easier to get big numbers, but I respect your claim that they need video progress logs.  I'm going to start having people do that.  I think it's a good idea...

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Sorry I was out all day, so I couldn't take you up on your skype offer, maybe tomorrow who knows.. I'd be interested for sure.

Let's do it tonite... just confirm that pic.

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You do understand that 40 inch verts are insanely rare right?

I don't think they are as rare as you do...

I do think they are rare in the NBA... I've said as much all the time.

They are all over the NFL, and more prevalent in volleyball as well.

NBA verts are not good overall.  Tall folks with long arms make use think they jump higher than they do.

In the same way that you guys are surprised at me, I'm surprised you have all been training for years and not hit 40" running vert yet.  I admire your dedication, but it just seems like so many stay in the same place.

If you guys say a vid of me jumping over 40" would be good, I'm strongly considering it.

I would be happy to be more of a participant in this forum... Or to be on cooperative terms with some of the trainer here.

Let's do this.. Andrew tonite we'll skype, and then maybe I'll consider posting it... of course to my Youtube first :)  Then to here.

Deal?

But you have to check the rim, because I don't want to post the vid only to have you go back and say it's a 9'8" rim ;)  if you think it's low I'll just have to measure it on video for you. 




Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: $ick3nin.v3nd3tta on April 30, 2011, 08:15:02 am
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I hope Raptor reads it.
Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: Jacob Hiller on April 30, 2011, 08:16:01 am
I can't see those images at all.  They see they are protected or something.
Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: Jacob Hiller on April 30, 2011, 08:19:09 am
After all didn't Link and even SquatDr. have legit stuff of over 40" and don't ya'll still hate on them?
Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: Raptor on April 30, 2011, 09:24:37 am
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I hope Raptor reads it.

Why?
Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: adarqui on April 30, 2011, 10:22:53 am
JC - Sorry man I can't see those images.  But I'm definitely curious!

uhhhhhg.........................................................









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Also, I'm seriously considering posting a little progress vid for you guys that shows over ~40 " vert.

But before I even think about that let's make sure you verify that the rim is 10':

(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/11791097/rimheight.jpg)

I measured this on site...   I should have made a video of the measuring.

Let me know if you confirm you believe or can tell it's 10' with your jedi tricks.

Maybe you guys are right, maybe it'll be a good thing to post it...

looks ~10' from that pic







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I'll definitely show you tonite though Andrew... unless you disapprove of the rim... then I'll just need to make footage of the measuring process.

But if you disapprove that rim... your just wrong.


Rip - Fair enough, I thnk we do well because all our athletes get results.  IMO you don't have to choose one or the other.  Serve people well and people will pay you for it.  Andrew doesn't really even have a product yet but this forum is pretty dang good.

JC - I can't see those pics so I don't know what you're talking about.





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Adarq -

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How many people have you coached in person who have been measured, by you, to 40" or more on vert? How many people have you coached in person, in general? How are the indian high jumpers doing? You got any footage of them?

You do understand that 40 inch verts are insanely rare right? You only see 1 or 2 40" RVJ's in the nba combine, and even then sometimes nobody gets to 40..

I've coached countless people in person... in Africa I'm training entire teams and I've seen several 40" from more or less "untrained" athletes... but I wouldn't say I'm responsible for those.

And yes I did train with Indian athletes at the Sports Authority of India for a about a 3 month period.

I don't do much footage yet, but I should.  I have still pics with the Indian high jumpers and power lifters.  As well as some footage when I accompanied them to their meet.  

I also have pictures with most of the coaches whose teams I worked with and some pics with the players or during their games.

I should make more vids though, I should have my wife come and video the sessions - which we've thought about doing.

yup need more footage, would only help your case, makes no sense.




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Why I have worked with many in person 40" verts the massive number of athletes we can work with online makes it easier to get big numbers, but I respect your claim that they need video progress logs.  I'm going to start having people do that.  I think it's a good idea...

kids/people are eager to claim 40+ vert's and they have no clue of measuring, or they inflate like crazy..





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Sorry I was out all day, so I couldn't take you up on your skype offer, maybe tomorrow who knows.. I'd be interested for sure.

Let's do it tonite... just confirm that pic.

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You do understand that 40 inch verts are insanely rare right?

I don't think they are as rare as you do...

I do think they are rare in the NBA... I've said as much all the time.

They are all over the NFL, and more prevalent in volleyball as well.

so you're telling me you've trained 100's of people to nfl-level power (off a run for example)?? nfl running verts are not much higher than their standing, but those guys are insanely powerful, they are the cream of the crop.. you think everyone in the nfl has a 40 inch vert? their inflated verts (by 2-4") every year in the nfl combine still doesn't make up the majority of the people tested, their are hundreds of athletes tested at the nfl combine and only say ~5% or so will have inflated (weak reach measurement) 40+ inch standing verts. Guy's are pulling off 40+" verts standing 6' and only hitting 11'-11'2 etc, come on now.




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NBA verts are not good overall.  Tall folks with long arms make use think they jump higher than they do.

for the most part nba reach is accurate, that's why..




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In the same way that you guys are surprised at me, I'm surprised you have all been training for years and not hit 40" running vert yet.  I admire your dedication, but it just seems like so many stay in the same place.

no one around here has stayed in the same place.. the only one who has stayed in the same place here is you, using the same old lines since 2008 to try and duck & dodge having to put footage out.. in 2008 i landed my first dunks of my life, using a very easily palmed ball getting barely half my hand over, since then i've gone passed mid forearm TWICE, the first time in early 2010, then detrained completely bringing me back to the starting point (barely touching 10'2), and now back up again in even less time.

so let's relax a little bit when saying people "seem to stay in the same place"...

people who don't b.s. , journal, and post weekly vid progress don't have any room to lie, very hard to do.. very easy to lie from your end, very very easy.. you have no documented progress, workout logs, or anything over the entire course of your coaching career.. very easy to sit over there and act like people are "staying in the same place".

so you're telling me I could have made more progress using the jump manual?

you live in a different reality, a fabricated one, where vertical is easy to achieve.. take someone on this forum who has been struggling with gaining vert, in the journals section, and get them to 40.. if you do i wouldn't be anything but supportive, just make sure they document by journaling/occasional video.................. but why isn't anybody doing jump manual in journals section? If it TRULY was as effective as you claim, there'd be alot of leg pressing going on around here...... where are all the jump manual /leg pressers in the journal section? there's basically zero...

can you link me to some semi-detailed journals of people who have used jump manual and made their gains? and then link me to some videos, so i can actually see their progress?

that's what happens in the real world for people who are reading this but don't understand what's going on.. the online "coaching community" doesn't have much of that.. when i coach in person, i have journals/workout notebooks etc, and footage of people going from point A to point Z.. pre-testing footage, peri/post testing footage, and i'm able to link it to their journal..

show me logs, show me progress, show me videos.. don't show me "oh hey bro jumped 50 today thanks so much !!!!!!!!!!! xoxoxoxo" etc.. show me people pre and post testing.

so don't mention people "staying in the same place" unless you're ready to, again, back that up..

if improving vert was as easy as you'd like people to think, you'd see people dunking everywhere.. people would just be hopping out the planet every time i go to a court.. the fact is, i'm usually only 1 of 2 people under 6'5 dunking at any court i go to.. and there's lots of talent around here, tons of athletes, this is south florida.. i go to parks all the time and you rarely see me posting footage of other people dunking, it's rare even when the courts are packed.. and believe me, if the cam is on, and people can hop, they will come try and 1-up me, it rarely ever happens.. the ironic thing is, about that, everywhere i go people are talking about the jump manual, but where's the 40's???




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If you guys say a vid of me jumping over 40" would be good, I'm strongly considering it.

I would be happy to be more of a participant in this forum... Or to be on cooperative terms with some of the trainer here.

Let's do this.. Andrew tonite we'll skype, and then maybe I'll consider posting it... of course to my Youtube first :)  Then to here.

Deal?

But you have to check the rim, because I don't want to post the vid only to have you go back and say it's a 9'8" rim ;)  if you think it's low I'll just have to measure it on video for you.  


sounds good, it would help to legitimize your own athletic claims which  you use to try and legitimize the jump manual, it has nothing actually to do with the jump manual itself or the other issues, but people would get off your back about 1 major issue that's for sure...

we'll see though, if you jump as high as you say you do currently, should be easy to impress people on here with your athleticism...............................................

anyway, imo you should just post a vid, if the rim is 10' or even 9'10-9'11, and you're jumping 42, it would easily impress anyone on here or on youtube.. that is if you're jumping 42" and not 30".. but however you want to post vid that's up to you, if you need me to check it prior to uploading then go for it.

adios
Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: Jacob Hiller on April 30, 2011, 10:50:52 am
--- Most coaches use a vertec etc...

I live a very different life style...

I've lived and trained in over 19 countries in the last 2.5 years.

Everything from training teams, to coaches, to consulting for organizations.

Almost all my "on the road" assessments are done with a myotest device.

I also carry a decent amount of training implements on the road with us.

If I had an "in house" setup it would be easier to video and document more stuff, but I need to do it.

I need to bite the bullet and get a tripod but we have minimal space... those things are huge.

I do have a lot of still pics.

We're putting on a camp in London in August.

We've sponsored and been hired by international sports teams and leagues...

Basically we move to a country stay there, work for a month or so then move onto another.  In nearly every country we stay in we work with teams athletes and coaches at a high level.

No we are in Ethiopia and I've been working with one of their Division 1 pro teams... in Rwanda, and Uganda we did the same.  In Ghana I worked primarily with other coaches and a few players.  the team we worked with in Uganda is one of the top contenders in all of Africa.  In India I worked with the Sports Authority of India and did a lot of various jobs as they used me in every area... even boxing, which admittedly was a first for me.  But I mostly worked with the national team basketball players, coaches, and the lifters.  This list can go on...  and will continue.  We are on our way to Cairo next week and will be meeting with professional basketball teams and coaches.

I need to get the camera in and take more pics... but you I do have a handful of still pics in several of the places.

My wife is much better at taking pics than I am... but I think I need a tripod... my small iphone tripod just wont' cut it.

I didn't really know this is what I would be doing... it just kind of happened, and it's fun.  While I do a lot of training and teaching myself I also learn a lot about the training methods from each area, and integrate it into my own approach.

My own personal progress would of course be better if I stayed at home or in one place with a good facility and a solid and more steady diet.  

We started in Germany, then went to Macedonia, Bulgaria, then to Greece, Israel, Palestine,  Morocco, Argentina, NYC (US), Spain,  China, Thailand, England, Ghana, India, Italy, Turkey, Uganda, Rwanda, Ethiopia...

We've been doing a ton of "on site" training and consulting.

This year we are taking it to another level and we will basically have a travelling training lab... with EMG, Goniometer, Accelerometer... so we will be able to get into research a little more as we are on the road.

Right now I'm young and have the opportunity to train all over the world so I'm doing it.  We'll see how long it lasts.

Of course I crave the consistency of a gym and especially a diet - Indian and African diets... get me losing weight!  But I try and keep a nice supply of protein.

In come countries we design bodyweight workout programs only because many athletes don't have access to a gym regularly.  But we make the training setup and environment very competitive and measurable.  It's a lot of fun.

In India I brought elastic implements and bought chains locally then did small seminars with their coaches on how to properly incorporate accommodating resistance - I have done this in other places as well.

I have really enjoyed using the Myotest to take some of the higher level athletes through more thorough assessment.  I worked with an athlete from The Congo who jumped well over 40 inches... I actually planned to do a video session with him to post on youtube but the team had a sort of "emergency" and we didn't get it... I'm still going to try and get him to film it independently.. this kid is EXTREMELY talented.  One of his practice rims is 10'6" (I measured) and he was dunking it 2 handed with ease.

I get to see and work with TONS of athletes form all different levels and backgrounds... my current setup is NOT like that of you or Lance, or a Defranco gym...



Adarq... let's get that skype going...
Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: Jacob Hiller on April 30, 2011, 11:04:37 am
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anyway, imo you should just post a vid, if the rim is 10' or even 9'10-9'11, and you're jumping 42, it would easily impress anyone on here or on youtube.. that is if you're jumping 42" and not 30".. but however you want to post vid that's up to you, if you need me to check it prior to uploading then go for it.

I measure it with a tape measure... it's 10'...

But call it 9'11 you'll stil have me at 40 at least...

I think this is a fair ~42 leap... but I wanna have the ring leader check it...  Def over 40".  But closer to 42"... lol you judge...

I have the myotest but it's not useful for RVJ.  I always do some type of measuring for that.

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nfl running verts are not much higher than their standing

I don't think their running mechanics are as developed as the NBA guys...

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If it TRULY was as effective as you claim, there'd be alot of leg pressing going on around here....

You don't understand my stance on leg pressing, please watch my vid all the way through before you keep talking about that.

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so don't mention people "staying in the same place" unless you're ready to, again, back that up..

Your very knowledgeable...  I'm sorry.  I've been attacked here a bit I'm trying to hold back making attacks of my own...  Let's go easy on each other a moment eh?

You and Lance both are excellent.

No hate.. and of course I'm proud of my own training system... yes I think people inflate their numbers BUT I also think many coaches underestimate what is possible when vert is truly focused on for sustained periods of time.

I've been doing this for a VERY long time.

If I would have settled with the original results I got, I would have been calling out anyone that said they could get results faster.   But I honestly believe that better and faster results are possible.

Why don't we chill and try and establish some mutual respect?

You think I'd want to show you this vid if I wasn't sure it was over 40"? 

Of course I'm showing it to people who have called my other pics "shopped" and so we have to get verification from the ring leader... or else I'll have to get a different one.

I'm on skype right now.
Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: Jacob Hiller on April 30, 2011, 11:06:08 am
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uhhhhhg........................................................

I mean I really can't see those images.. it gives me an error from imageshack... maybe it's my country IP?
Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: Samwell on April 30, 2011, 11:10:42 am
i"ve read every post in this topic and jacob it just seems like your going around in circles you keep bringing up that you have done this and done that so on so on but seriously, no one cares because you don't have anything to back up your claim and at the end of the day anyone can talk them selves up but people will only believe if proof is show so stop with the b.s and just post a video simple as that
Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: Jacob Hiller on April 30, 2011, 11:14:35 am
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i"ve read every post in this topic and jacob it just seems like your going around in circles you keep bringing up that you have done this and done that so on so on but seriously, no one cares because you don't have anything to back up your claim and at the end of the day anyone can talk them selves up but people will only believe if proof is show so stop with the b.s and just post a video simple as that

I think that's what's in the process of going down Sam.. thanks for your support.
Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: Samwell on April 30, 2011, 11:18:11 am
its probably going to be the most anticipated video this forum will have 
Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: Jacob Hiller on April 30, 2011, 11:24:38 am
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its probably going to be the most anticipated video this forum will have

So if I post a video of me jumping over 40" approved by ADARQ... then you guys will cut me some slack?

Maybe say some nice things... ?

Maybe have your criticism be a little more constructive?

Ok... will you take it easy on me or genuinely believing squat flex has it's uses?

IF this is true... this is pretty much a done deal.
Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: Samwell on April 30, 2011, 11:31:08 am
i definitely think you will gain a lot of respect and silence a few if your vertical is legit.. come on man hurry it up its nearly 2am on my side of the world and ive got a bball game tomorrow lol
Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: Jacob Hiller on April 30, 2011, 11:35:17 am
Sam - lol - i'm waiting on Adarq.. first he's gotta check it out, I'm not gonna post it unless Adarq signs off on it...  It's legit but so are my other pics that are under scrutiny.... gotta get it checked out by the S&C police first. :)
Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: TheSituation on April 30, 2011, 01:01:09 pm
Even though I think you're lying about not being able to see the pictures, I uploaded them to flckr. This is a part of yahoo so don't even try saying you can't see them.

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5106/5672457075_f647438b29_b.jpg)

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5307/5672457033_2ef8518ed2_b.jpg)

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5266/5673025050_b157ee54bf_b.jpg)



So yea, we do know your position on the leg press. Apparently the leg press and some other stuff is why you have 44 inches of vertical explosion.
Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: Jacob Hiller on April 30, 2011, 01:19:11 pm
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Even though I think you're lying about not being able to see the pictures, I uploaded them to flckr. This is a part of yahoo so don't even try saying you can't see them

Goodness man gimme a break lol... This is what the old ones look like on my screen:

(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/11791097/imagenotworking.jpg)

Pretty good conversation...

The guy who calls me out on every single thing now wants me to entrust him with some phone numbers?

lol

How about I give you some facebook ID's you can contact them through, and only if you promise to be cordial... even if you don't believe them.

No. "BS you're a liar" or anything like that... actually no... you're going to need a diplomat to serve as liason for now.

Maybe after we post this vid you and me can be buds, then I'll pass them to you eh?

If you were on my facebook page you'd see random testimonials posted all the time.

One from today:
(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/11791097/recentestimonila.jpg)

We're also in the process of putting tons up here:

http://freeverticaljumptraining.com/happy-dunkers/

But I think it would be good for you to have a conversation with a handful of 10" gainers...

What might be good is if I do an audio interview with each one...

Best would be their video logs...  but not sure I'll have that.

Please don't harass anyone from my testimonials even if you don't like them.

It's hard enough to get people to make vids and that kind of thing (me being point in case :)


Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: TheSituation on April 30, 2011, 01:56:04 pm
Well you were the one who offered to give the names and numbers, so that's another bs claim.  :headbang:


You said you were going to post videos 3 years ago after you rehabbed. Where are they? You've been spitting the same bullshit for years.

I don't care if kids think they are jumping 10 inches higher in 12 weeks like you claimed your product did. Either they were complete immobile but in shape noobs (vert less than 15 inches), or they are just delusional.


And let's not ignore the main issue here. It's not your bullshit stats. The real beef with you on this site comes from you associating with jump usa/maroko/the scammer bunch.
Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: Jacob Hiller on April 30, 2011, 02:10:21 pm
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You said you were going to post videos 3 years ago after you rehabbed. Where are they?

Got married, left the country, started travelling all over... was it 3 years?

From that time I got way out of the athletic groover focused on business, married life, and training others.

...  it happens, but now I've figured out how to travel and make train better... and I'm jumping over 40" inches again myself, as we will soon see.

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And let's not ignore the main issue here. It's not your bullshit stats. The real beef with you on this site comes from you associating with jump usa/maroko/the scammer bunch.

Sorry man... I like Maroko's dribbling program... which you say you have never even seen.
I also like Taylor's shooting and scoring material... it's very good.
I also think SF has it's uses...

What's the big deal?

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It's not your bullshit stats.

I thought you said it was... and that's what this was all about.

lol... stealthy!

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Well you were the one who offered to give the names and numbers, so that's another bs claim

I'll give the info, just not to you :)  

I probably would have then if you would have asked...

But I can still get you in contact...

JC - honestly your probably a decent guy... but I can't satisfy you.... and that's ok.

It's me under attack here on this forum...  my every last move is being scrutinized, everything I do ... including not being able to see images... or having broken headphones, or anything...  It's like the twilightzone for me in here... but there are still good guys in here...

Nearly every single person in here has something bad to say, or feels the liberty to be disrespectful because that's the atmosphere the leaders have set to this point.

I accept that, and am just trying to make the most constructive out of it as i can.

You have some valid points, and it's important to know how I'm perceived.  Even if the environment is hostile...

But honestly I thought you were wanting to see the video... and it would chill you out a bit..

It's a broken philosphy to think that you disagreeing with another,  makes that person a "bad" person and worthy of they type of scorn you display...  Are you like this to people in person as well?  Just take it light a bit... I'm here, I'm listening, we're gentlemen.






Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: TheSituation on April 30, 2011, 02:16:07 pm
When did I say the reason you got called out on here was your bullshit stats? Sure they piss us off, but you got called out on here because you're a scammer.
Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: Jacob Hiller on April 30, 2011, 02:21:46 pm
JC -

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Post a vert video and I'll stop.
Last Edit: Today at 02:21:52 AM by JC    

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If you do all the measurements and can prove you have a vertical jump (or running if thats what you're claiming) of 40 inches, I will never respond to you negatively again

Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: steventar on April 30, 2011, 02:32:23 pm
dont just post a 40 inch jump... post a dunk vid with one hand, two hander, a reverse, a double pump reverse, a windmill, standing vert dunk... etc.
you claim to tear rims off backboards. those dunks should come easy.
Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: TheSituation on April 30, 2011, 02:32:23 pm
JC-

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However, I can't speak for everyone else though, as there will still be bitterness about you being a scammer.

I never said the bullshit claims were the reason you got called out on here, I just agreed to go away from this thread if you posted a video, which you still haven't done.
Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: D-Rose Jr on April 30, 2011, 02:33:07 pm
@JC
the ball handling and shooting products are good. Don't bash before you try them.

@Jacob
no one cares at this point just stop talking on this forum. come back post the videos and problem solved
Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: Jacob Hiller on April 30, 2011, 02:36:44 pm
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I never said the bullshit claims were the reason you got called out on here, I just agreed to go away from this thread if you posted a video, which you still haven't done.

You agreed to be respectful, not only on this thread.  Can you keep to that?


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@Jacob
no one cares at this point just stop talking on this forum. come back post the videos and problem solved

Waiting on Adarq man, someone call him and get him on skype...

Otherwise I'll be here to represent when people trash talk... seems reasonable.

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@JC
the ball handling and shooting products are good. Don't bash before you try them.

They are good or i wouldn't refer them...

But if there' a better one I'll refer it.

Petey... Adarq needs to verify the vid or else I can almost guarantee everyone will call it fake.  I could post several pics or vids completely real that have been called out... falsely.. this is the best way.

Fair enough?

Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: Jacob Hiller on April 30, 2011, 02:38:36 pm
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My bad thought your stats on your signature were current, but realize they were goals.... wanted to see the vid ;)
Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: steventar on April 30, 2011, 02:45:00 pm


dont ignore my comment . i said

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dont just post a 40 inch jump... post a dunk vid with one hand, two hander, a reverse, a double pump reverse, a windmill, standing vert dunk... etc.
you claim to tear rims off backboards. those dunks should come easy.
Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: adarqui on April 30, 2011, 02:47:15 pm
just officially woke up (even tho i replied earlier at like 10am), i'll skype hiller in like maybe ~60min, grandpa pissed himself and gotta walk dog, then ill skype.

will reply to some other stuff later too.

peace
Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: Jacob Hiller on April 30, 2011, 02:51:03 pm
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dont ignore my comment . i said

We'll see... I had a whole "unveiling" type of thing I wanted to do on youtube... Adarq is forcing my hand a bit on the progress vid.

In due time you will see it all, but if you want to see them now come to a coaching session :)  They have been shown there several times.

Regardless, all in due time... for now I'm just waiting on Adarq... someone message me his number, I'll give him a ring lol
Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: Jacob Hiller on April 30, 2011, 02:53:21 pm
Got it Adarq... I'm pretty excited... I've been holding out on this for a while... I messaged you my skype name.

Warning it ain't 44" again yet but it's definitely over 40"... we'll see what the judge says lol....

I hope to have it back to prime before I hit age 30 this year.



Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: Jacob Hiller on April 30, 2011, 03:17:32 pm
To accusations of being a scammer...

I deliver the product, and service...

My customers are very satisfied, and give unsolicited testimonials regularly.

We have an AMAZING customer support center manned by real coaches...

We rarely get refunds, but when customers ask we give them.

I interact daily with customers and we have a healthy community.


A scammer who produces happy customers who willingfully give testimonials and get long term results?

The only people who are acting scammed are the ones who admittedly never bought, used, or read the product...




Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: steventar on April 30, 2011, 03:25:38 pm
you guarantee "2-6 inches in 45 minutes" instant inches and "10 inches in 12 weeks" on your website. what part of that doesn't scream SCAMMER?

anyone who has trained for vert knows that it doesn't come that easy.
Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: Jacob Hiller on April 30, 2011, 03:30:04 pm
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you guarantee "2-6 inches in 45 minutes" instant inches and "10 inches in 12 weeks" on your website. what part of that doesn't scream SCAMMER?

Why is everyone so happy?

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anyone who has trained for vert knows that it doesn't come that easy.

Depends how you train...


You're just another unsatisfied NON-customer. lol
Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: Jacob Hiller on April 30, 2011, 03:33:43 pm
I'm not saying it doesn't happen... but the VAST majority of our people are very happy.

Just look at our facebook wall DAILY posts from happy customers...

Usually a scam would have frustrated and unhappy people and people charging back to their cards.

Instead we get people referring us to friends, and happy messages, and praise...

Watch the video on our sales page... it explains any guarantees to gains...
Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: steventar on April 30, 2011, 03:59:49 pm
u know what else has happy customers? air alert, the lap band, shake weight etc... your program def isn't as bad as those but everyone and their mother has positive feedback on their products. No one is gonna go to ur facebook wall and talk shit unless they were raised by a cold bitch. even luke lowery's vert project had positive feedback. and everyone knew he was a huge scammer. both u and luke dont have a vid of you ever dunking. what a surprise. but i have faith that u will show a us a vid :)

everywhere i go and dunk, i hear some noob telling me about how they did air alert or jumpsoles and can almost touch rim now. its ridiculous. point is, you can't expect me to believe a cookie cutter program is meant for everyone and will yield results good enough to progress them to being an elite jumper.

Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: adarqui on April 30, 2011, 04:02:35 pm
yo jacob where'd you go (we were having convo on skype).. bout to go workout and stuff so i won't be able to skype for a while.

pC
Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: Jacob Hiller on April 30, 2011, 04:11:10 pm
yo my internet stick went out... it's recharged now ... dang... get back on bro!
Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: adarqui on April 30, 2011, 04:17:05 pm
yo my internet stick went out... it's recharged now ... dang... get back on bro!

back, ringing but getting greeting, got to workout at like 4:30-4:40 tho.

pC
Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: Jacob Hiller on April 30, 2011, 04:17:44 pm
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but everyone and their mother has positive feedback on their products

But dude, we have a HUGE positive community... it's awesome and a huge source of pride.

Our merchant account tells us our refund rate is one of the very lowest in the entire company.

This is beyond having "some" positive feedback... we have an overwhelmingly positive community.

I'm not kidding we have gone to GREAT extents for our customer service, and anyone who needs anything gets a response with 12 hours usually much quicker... every time.  It's documented in our support stats.

When we go to these lengths and love our customers and they love us, it's hard to stomach someone "idley" calling us a scam.

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but i have faith that u will show a us a vid

I will :)

I also dunk in person for people ALL the time... go on my facebook and you can ask many who I have dunked with in person.

I'm not asking you to agree... but I have a reason for holding out...

I want to return to prime first...

BUT, I am going to post a progress vid... see how that goes... it is clearly a 40" + jump... the rim is 10' and my head is VERY close.


Anyways...
Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: Jacob Hiller on April 30, 2011, 04:18:21 pm
Pleas wait man haha.. it's 11:20 pm here!

I don't show you as online...
Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: LanceSTS on April 30, 2011, 04:41:34 pm


 This isnt about hating on you personally jacob, your vertical jump, etc., its the promotion of squatflex (christmas time, dont hear about it now), the spammy affliliate stuff (what youve said KIND of clarifies that, though you could easily put a stop to it still, youre the one funding it), and reasoning for doing it.  If you hadnt promoted squatflex along with all the rest of the usual scammers i seriously doubt there would be a single negative thread on this forum about you.   
Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: $ick3nin.v3nd3tta on April 30, 2011, 05:01:13 pm
I'm sure that anyone who can pull the 600lbs of resistance on the squatflex will surely see a genuine improvement in vert.
Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: adarqui on April 30, 2011, 05:02:55 pm
saw the jump, very nice vid, after people see it i'm sure they won't have any issue with hiller's vert anymore, other issues will remain of course, but the vert claims issue is pretty much dead at this point imo..

interested in seeing people's reaction to the vid.

pc
Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: Jacob Hiller on April 30, 2011, 05:06:22 pm
This from my Skype chat with ADARQ:

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congrats on not being a fraud
[4/30/2011 11:53:29 PM] a: lmfao


lol - that was hilarious...

Seriously so much better to chat in person...

Would love to chat to Lance...

JC would just yell at me... lol...
Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: swans05 on April 30, 2011, 10:08:33 pm
been following this thread and even commented on the program a few pages back, a good beginner program in my opinion but complex training is nothing new but after the pack mentality around here i can't wait to see what the reaction is if this vid is posted and is legit as adarq has claimed

credit to jacob for backing his program for mine
Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: Cloud3205 on April 30, 2011, 10:56:29 pm
I brought up, months ago, that I saw Jacob's two handed tomahawk dunk at a coaching session and I was basically told that I was lying about I was seeing.   That, if he had the vertical he'd show it.  It makes sense to question squatflex but I think it is a conspiracy theory claiming that he didn't ruin his powerbeats, can't jump, and can't view images...

Lack of evidence does not prove nonexistence. 
Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: Jacob Hiller on April 30, 2011, 11:48:25 pm
Wow... internet is killin me here...

I'm now reduced to dial up... we'll see how long it take to upload to youtube!!

Ethiopian internet is astounding... Govenrment owned... one company... when it goes down the entire country goes down (internet that is...)
Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: Cloud3205 on May 01, 2011, 12:05:41 am
Wow... internet is killin me here...

I'm now reduced to dial up... we'll see how long it take to upload to youtube!!

Ethiopian internet is astounding... Govenrment owned... one company... when it goes down the entire country goes down (internet that is...)

Your internet did not go down, you are just afraid to show your vert.  CALLED OUT
Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: thewon888 on May 01, 2011, 12:22:09 am
On another note who thinks Jacob Hiller looks like a bizarro prince William lol.
Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: adarqui on May 01, 2011, 02:12:28 am
On another note who thinks Jacob Hiller looks like a bizarro prince William lol.

those jokes have been made in the hole on a few occasions lmao.





I brought up, months ago, that I saw Jacob's two handed tomahawk dunk at a coaching session and I was basically told that I was lying about I was seeing.   That, if he had the vertical he'd show it.  It makes sense to question squatflex but I think it is a conspiracy theory claiming that he didn't ruin his powerbeats, can't jump, and can't view images...

Lack of evidence does not prove nonexistence. 

cool you brought it up cool.. 6'4 guy doing tomohawk story cool.. point is, none of us saw it, could have been low hoop, low jump, whatever.. this forum is about being real and slaughtering the fake, so no one here is going to trust your word on it no matter how credible it is, could have been so many factors that would have made what you saw look better than it was.. but now i saw a high jump so i don't question his dunking ability/jumping ability anymore.

that's what proof does, that's what evidence does.

describing something via text in this day and age doesn't cut it, HD camcorders are < $100, phones have cams, everything can easily be video taped and uploaded to a video hosting site within minutes.

people might have said you were lying about what you saw, which could easily have been the case.. but more likely, back then, people thought you might have been "fooled" with low rim footage etc.. if someone doesn't believe what you are telling them, it doesn't automatically mean they think you are a liar etc.







Wow... internet is killin me here...

I'm now reduced to dial up... we'll see how long it take to upload to youtube!!

Ethiopian internet is astounding... Govenrment owned... one company... when it goes down the entire country goes down (internet that is...)

lmao dialup, sucks.

it was like 3KB/s transfer on skype.
Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: Cloud3205 on May 01, 2011, 02:48:03 am
jump manual is trash, he's always saying "Vertical explozion", he believes leg press is more effective than squat, he promotes squatflex, he thinks lower back is the most important "prime mover" in vertical jumping, he lies about his vert, he's made millions of dollars doing it, he leads everyone astray, he claims jump manual is how he got to 45" vert but he can't even use his own manual to get him back to 45" vert which makes no sense, he posts pictures of him ripping rims off backboards instead of videos, he claims his elbow to fingertip is 13 inches yet he has long arms for deadlifting, he claims his reach is t-rex level but he's got long arms for deadlifting, he got raped on adarq.org and ducked everyone's questions - instead replying with unrelated damage control answers, he's teamed up with maroko & company, he used brandon todd as a testimonial for jump manual but we all know brandon todd didn't use that shitty ass manual, he's good at photoshop.

discuss.


Yeah man, I can see if someone might think I might have been fooled or want to see the tape themselves, etc.  But to just haphazardly conclude he's a liar (see bolded quote) based on the circumstances is unfair.  Evidence does clear stuff up, but just because he didn't' show you evidence before doesn't mean he wasn't being truthful.  This whole deal was beginning to remind me of Barack Obama's birth certificate.
Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: adarqui on May 01, 2011, 02:57:26 am
jump manual is trash, he's always saying "Vertical explozion", he believes leg press is more effective than squat, he promotes squatflex, he thinks lower back is the most important "prime mover" in vertical jumping, he lies about his vert, he's made millions of dollars doing it, he leads everyone astray, he claims jump manual is how he got to 45" vert but he can't even use his own manual to get him back to 45" vert which makes no sense, he posts pictures of him ripping rims off backboards instead of videos, he claims his elbow to fingertip is 13 inches yet he has long arms for deadlifting, he claims his reach is t-rex level but he's got long arms for deadlifting, he got raped on adarq.org and ducked everyone's questions - instead replying with unrelated damage control answers, he's teamed up with maroko & company, he used brandon todd as a testimonial for jump manual but we all know brandon todd didn't use that shitty ass manual, he's good at photoshop.

discuss.


Yeah man, I can see if someone might think I might have been fooled or want to see the tape themselves, etc.  But to just haphazardly conclude he's a liar (see bolded quote) based on the circumstances is unfair.  Evidence does clear stuff up, but just because he didn't' show you evidence before doesn't mean he wasn't being truthful.  This whole deal was beginning to remind me of Barack Obama's birth certificate.

it reminds you of obama's birth certificate how? where was the proof prior to today? there was no "official record" of hiller's vert other than his high school track & field stats, and that was triple jump/high jump etc.. Nothing he has ever posted publicly to the masses has ever indicated to anyone that he could jump 44" off 3 steps, ever.. until now.. which is far different than the obama issue because he provided PROOF from the state of hawaii in 2009, and only just recently provided the ACTUAL birth certificate, something the state will never give anyone after they have lost it.. they will never GIVE YOU AN ORIGINAL.. but obama provided the masses with official proof, that has been authenticated by doctors and government officials, news paper articles etc.

VERY FUCKING DIFFERENT THAN THIS SITUATION.

i can shut you down all day if you want, bottom line, he claimed big numbers and didn't provide video footage to the masses, and still hasn't, but once that video is provided, people won't have much of an issue with his vert claims..

i like how you use "haphazardly".. what else should I say about his vert? he was telling people the same story back in 2008 as he was just telling everyone on this forum up until a few days ago..

you want me to give someone the benefit of the doubt? in the vert industry?

have you lost your mind?

nothing about "his vert is a lie" is to be considered a haphazard comment... you don't get years and years to prove yourself as an athlete.. you make a claim, you back it up.. if after 4 years you still havn't posted proof to the masses, then your numbers are definitely considered a lie until proven otherwise.. which then brings us back to this situation.

eagerly awaiting your next reply which will be easily dominated.

peace
Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: Cloud3205 on May 01, 2011, 03:05:10 am
jump manual is trash, he's always saying "Vertical explozion", he believes leg press is more effective than squat, he promotes squatflex, he thinks lower back is the most important "prime mover" in vertical jumping, he lies about his vert, he's made millions of dollars doing it, he leads everyone astray, he claims jump manual is how he got to 45" vert but he can't even use his own manual to get him back to 45" vert which makes no sense, he posts pictures of him ripping rims off backboards instead of videos, he claims his elbow to fingertip is 13 inches yet he has long arms for deadlifting, he claims his reach is t-rex level but he's got long arms for deadlifting, he got raped on adarq.org and ducked everyone's questions - instead replying with unrelated damage control answers, he's teamed up with maroko & company, he used brandon todd as a testimonial for jump manual but we all know brandon todd didn't use that shitty ass manual, he's good at photoshop.

discuss.


Yeah man, I can see if someone might think I might have been fooled or want to see the tape themselves, etc.  But to just haphazardly conclude he's a liar (see bolded quote) based on the circumstances is unfair.  Evidence does clear stuff up, but just because he didn't' show you evidence before doesn't mean he wasn't being truthful.  This whole deal was beginning to remind me of Barack Obama's birth certificate.

it reminds you of obama's birth certificate how? where was the proof prior to today? there was no "official record" of hiller's vert other than his high school track & field stats, and that was triple jump/high jump etc.. Nothing he has ever posted publicly to the masses has ever indicated to anyone that he could jump 44" off 3 steps, ever.. until now.. which is far different than the obama issue because he provided PROOF from the state of hawaii in 2009, and only just recently provided the ACTUAL birth certificate, something the state will never give anyone after they have lost it.. they will never GIVE YOU AN ORIGINAL.. but obama provided the masses with official proof, that has been authenticated by doctors and government officials, news paper articles etc.

VERY FUCKING DIFFERENT THAN THIS SITUATION.

i can shut you down all day if you want, bottom line, he claimed big numbers and didn't provide video footage to the masses, and still hasn't, but once that video is provided, people won't have much of an issue with his vert claims..

i like how you use "haphazardly".. what else should I say about his vert? he was telling people the same story back in 2008 as he was just telling everyone on this forum up until a few days ago..

you want me to give someone the benefit of the doubt? in the vert industry?

have you lost your mind?

nothing about "his vert is a lie" is to be considered a haphazard comment... you don't get years and years to prove yourself as an athlete.. you make a claim, you back it up.. if after 4 years you still havn't posted proof to the masses, then your numbers are definitely considered a lie until proven otherwise.. which then brings us back to this situation.

eagerly awaiting your next reply which will be easily dominated.

peace


Hey, I didn't think you would get all pissed off about this.  As far as the Obama comment goes, it REMINDS me of that situation, although it is not the same, and is distinguishable in many ways like you said.

I guess my only other argument would be that you said he lied about his vert and he didn't lie about it.

Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: Cloud3205 on May 01, 2011, 03:13:51 am
Also, we are just talking about presumptions here.  You are saying you assume a vertical to be false until proven otherwise.  I am saying not to presume one way or the other.  I was just kind of disagreeing with you a little bit from straight up calling him a liar based on your own presumption that you feel is somehow a universal standard.  What I am saying is I do not share your presumption. 

Just because you have a certain presumption doesn't make you right and certainly in this particular situation it doesn't make you accurate as he didn't lie, that's all I'm trying to say.

I personally think calling someone a liar when they are not actually a liar, and have not been caught in a lie, is kind of a big deal but maybe you don't think so.   Maybe you can disagree with our difference of opinion and claim you dominated me.
Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: adarqui on May 01, 2011, 03:58:21 am
Also, we are just talking about presumptions here.  You are saying you assume a vertical to be false until proven otherwise.  I am saying not to presume one way or the other.  I was just kind of disagreeing with you a little bit from straight up calling him a liar based on your own presumption that you feel is somehow a universal standard.  What I am saying is I do not share your presumption. 

Just because you have a certain presumption doesn't make you right and certainly in this particular situation it doesn't make you accurate as he didn't lie, that's all I'm trying to say.

I personally think calling someone a liar when they are not actually a liar, and have not been caught in a lie, is kind of a big deal but maybe you don't think so.   Maybe you can disagree with our difference of opinion and claim you dominated me.

how do you know that wasn't the first time he jumped 40+, recently? etc?

you are making a presumption now, that he has jumped as high as he does currently compared to 4 years ago..

everything we are talking about is presumptions.. you are presuming he jumped 44 4+ years ago, i was completely presuming he never jumped that high and now have changed my stance and am open to the possibility of him having jumped that high years ago.. etc

all we are doing is talking about presumptions until video proof is displayed to the masses.. what you saw may have been 35" RVJ, which would allow for some nasty dunks at 6'4.. it could also have been 40, who knows, the bottom line is that the masses didn't see it, so the masses are left to their presumptions..

when i said he was lying about his vert, i believed it and meant it.. all i know now is that he is jumping pretty damn high, i can now presume he jumped high years ago, but who actually knows, that time has passed etc.. but no one will care anymore, that's the power of proving yourself.

presumptions.
Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: Cloud3205 on May 01, 2011, 04:13:45 am
Also, we are just talking about presumptions here.  You are saying you assume a vertical to be false until proven otherwise.  I am saying not to presume one way or the other.  I was just kind of disagreeing with you a little bit from straight up calling him a liar based on your own presumption that you feel is somehow a universal standard.  What I am saying is I do not share your presumption. 

Just because you have a certain presumption doesn't make you right and certainly in this particular situation it doesn't make you accurate as he didn't lie, that's all I'm trying to say.

I personally think calling someone a liar when they are not actually a liar, and have not been caught in a lie, is kind of a big deal but maybe you don't think so.   Maybe you can disagree with our difference of opinion and claim you dominated me.

how do you know that wasn't the first time he jumped 40+, recently? etc?

you are making a presumption now, that he has jumped as high as he does currently compared to 4 years ago..

everything we are talking about is presumptions.. you are presuming he jumped 44 4+ years ago, i was completely presuming he never jumped that high and now have changed my stance and am open to the possibility of him having jumped that high years ago.. etc

all we are doing is talking about presumptions until video proof is displayed to the masses.. what you saw may have been 35" RVJ, which would allow for some nasty dunks at 6'4.. it could also have been 40, who knows, the bottom line is that the masses didn't see it, so the masses are left to their presumptions..

when i said he was lying about his vert, i believed it and meant it.. all i know now is that he is jumping pretty damn high, i can now presume he jumped high years ago, but who actually knows, that time has passed etc.. but no one will care anymore, that's the power of proving yourself.

presumptions.


How do I know that he jumped 40+ only recently or that he is even jumping 40+ now?  I don't.  I never even said he jumped 40+ or his 44" claim.  What I was originally responding to, months ago, was to some claim that he couldn't dunk at all because the call out degraded from talking about squatflex (which should definitely be questioned) to talking about how he can't even dunk (at all).  Again, as I said before, I make no presumption one way or the other.  I was saying what I personally saw some guy fucking smash a ball, and even if that rim was low that was still good for a dunk on any 10' rim.  I still say, now even, that it would be unfair to call him a liar to say that he isn't jumping 40+ or whatever unless he is shown to be unable to do it.  I am guessing you believe him on his CURRENT (not past) vert claims now or at least he doesn't completely suck?  I am not clear on that.

What I am trying to say is, and what I continue to say, is that I think it is bold thing to straight up call someone a liar.  I mean, Lance emailed me once that he was jumping 40+ in college.  Do I say, hey show me a video, you liar?

Maybe I trust people more than you do, but my personal opinion is to not actually call someone a liar unless they are lying (I have proof of a lie), not because I believe them to be lying. 

I don't mean to keep editing this, but yeah you are right we are just talking about different presumptions.

I'm sorry if I pissed you off man, I am just appreciative to Jacob and Lance because without them the only thing I would be dunking is donuts, so someone calling them a liar kind of makes me feel like I should say something though I am probably better off just keeping my mouth shut.
Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: LanceSTS on May 01, 2011, 04:32:39 am
Also, we are just talking about presumptions here.  You are saying you assume a vertical to be false until proven otherwise.  I am saying not to presume one way or the other.  I was just kind of disagreeing with you a little bit from straight up calling him a liar based on your own presumption that you feel is somehow a universal standard.  What I am saying is I do not share your presumption. 

Just because you have a certain presumption doesn't make you right and certainly in this particular situation it doesn't make you accurate as he didn't lie, that's all I'm trying to say.

I personally think calling someone a liar when they are not actually a liar, and have not been caught in a lie, is kind of a big deal but maybe you don't think so.   Maybe you can disagree with our difference of opinion and claim you dominated me.

how do you know that wasn't the first time he jumped 40+, recently? etc?

you are making a presumption now, that he has jumped as high as he does currently compared to 4 years ago..

everything we are talking about is presumptions.. you are presuming he jumped 44 4+ years ago, i was completely presuming he never jumped that high and now have changed my stance and am open to the possibility of him having jumped that high years ago.. etc

all we are doing is talking about presumptions until video proof is displayed to the masses.. what you saw may have been 35" RVJ, which would allow for some nasty dunks at 6'4.. it could also have been 40, who knows, the bottom line is that the masses didn't see it, so the masses are left to their presumptions..

when i said he was lying about his vert, i believed it and meant it.. all i know now is that he is jumping pretty damn high, i can now presume he jumped high years ago, but who actually knows, that time has passed etc.. but no one will care anymore, that's the power of proving yourself.

presumptions.


How do I know that he jumped 40+ only recently or that he is even jumping 40+ now?  I don't.  I never even said he jumped 40+ or his 44" claim.  What I was originally responding to, months ago, was to some claim that he couldn't dunk at all because the call out degraded from talking about squatflex (which should definitely be questioned) to talking about how he can't even dunk (at all).  Again, as I said before, I make no presumption one way or the other.  I was saying what I personally saw some guy fucking smash a ball, and even if that rim was low that was still good for a dunk on any 10' rim.  I still say, now even, that it would be unfair to call him a liar to say that he isn't jumping 40+ or whatever unless he is shown to be unable to do it.  I am guessing you believe him on his CURRENT (not past) vert claims now or at least he doesn't completely suck?  I am not clear on that.

What I am trying to say is, and what I continue to say, is that I think it is bold thing to straight up call someone a liar.  I mean, Lance emailed me once that he was jumping 40+ in college.  Do I say, hey show me a video, you liar?

Maybe I trust people more than you do, but my personal opinion is to not actually call someone a liar unless they are lying (I have proof of a lie), not because I believe them to be lying. 

I don't mean to keep editing this, but yeah you are right we are just talking about different presumptions.

I'm sorry if I pissed you off man, I am just appreciative to Jacob and Lance because without them the only thing I would be dunking is donuts, so someone calling them a liar kind of makes me feel like I should say something though I am probably better off just keeping my mouth shut.


I am assuming you are talking about one of your questions to me in a pm about my vertical jump when i played in college, I dont recall you ever emailing me and dont make it sound like I go around emailing random people bragging about what my vertical jump used to be.  We have strength coaches in college that test vertical jumps, if someone asks me a question about that I have no problem telling them what it was.     
Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: LanceSTS on May 01, 2011, 04:34:32 am
Also, we are just talking about presumptions here.  You are saying you assume a vertical to be false until proven otherwise.  I am saying not to presume one way or the other.  I was just kind of disagreeing with you a little bit from straight up calling him a liar based on your own presumption that you feel is somehow a universal standard.  What I am saying is I do not share your presumption.  

Just because you have a certain presumption doesn't make you right and certainly in this particular situation it doesn't make you accurate as he didn't lie, that's all I'm trying to say.

I personally think calling someone a liar when they are not actually a liar, and have not been caught in a lie, is kind of a big deal but maybe you don't think so.   Maybe you can disagree with our difference of opinion and claim you dominated me.

how do you know that wasn't the first time he jumped 40+, recently? etc?

you are making a presumption now, that he has jumped as high as he does currently compared to 4 years ago..

everything we are talking about is presumptions.. you are presuming he jumped 44 4+ years ago, i was completely presuming he never jumped that high and now have changed my stance and am open to the possibility of him having jumped that high years ago.. etc

all we are doing is talking about presumptions until video proof is displayed to the masses.. what you saw may have been 35" RVJ, which would allow for some nasty dunks at 6'4.. it could also have been 40, who knows, the bottom line is that the masses didn't see it, so the masses are left to their presumptions..

when i said he was lying about his vert, i believed it and meant it.. all i know now is that he is jumping pretty damn high, i can now presume he jumped high years ago, but who actually knows, that time has passed etc.. but no one will care anymore, that's the power of proving yourself.

presumptions.


How do I know that he jumped 40+ only recently or that he is even jumping 40+ now?  I don't.  I never even said he jumped 40+ or his 44" claim.  What I was originally responding to, months ago, was to some claim that he couldn't dunk at all because the call out degraded from talking about squatflex (which should definitely be questioned) to talking about how he can't even dunk (at all).  Again, as I said before, I make no presumption one way or the other.  I was saying what I personally saw some guy fucking smash a ball, and even if that rim was low that was still good for a dunk on any 10' rim.  I still say, now even, that it would be unfair to call him a liar to say that he isn't jumping 40+ or whatever unless he is shown to be unable to do it.  I am guessing you believe him on his CURRENT (not past) vert claims now or at least he doesn't completely suck?  I am not clear on that.

What I am trying to say is, and what I continue to say, is that I think it is bold thing to straight up call someone a liar.  I mean, Lance emailed me once that he was jumping 40+ in college. Do I say, hey show me a video, you liar?

Maybe I trust people more than you do, but my personal opinion is to not actually call someone a liar unless they are lying (I have proof of a lie), not because I believe them to be lying.  

I don't mean to keep editing this, but yeah you are right we are just talking about different presumptions.

I'm sorry if I pissed you off man, I am just appreciative to Jacob and Lance because without them the only thing I would be dunking is donuts, so someone calling them a liar kind of makes me feel like I should say something though I am probably better off just keeping my mouth shut.


im loln hard at that bolded part, u realize i was being nice by answering your questions, i dont sell programs online, I FUCKING TRAIN PEOPLE IN PERSON.  If you asked me "what could you jump" or whatever you said and I told you, and you called me a "liar" do you honestly think I would give a flying fuck what you thought or if you believed me? You seriously think I would go to the trouble to "prove" anything to you? I DONT GIVE A FUCK about this "what can u jump, can i see it" etc.  I never said shit about jacob and his jumping either, so i dont get the relevance of that.  the issue with him is promoting the scammy shit like squatflex,   rofl.  
Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: adarqui on May 01, 2011, 04:43:31 am
Also, we are just talking about presumptions here.  You are saying you assume a vertical to be false until proven otherwise.  I am saying not to presume one way or the other.  I was just kind of disagreeing with you a little bit from straight up calling him a liar based on your own presumption that you feel is somehow a universal standard.  What I am saying is I do not share your presumption.  

Just because you have a certain presumption doesn't make you right and certainly in this particular situation it doesn't make you accurate as he didn't lie, that's all I'm trying to say.

I personally think calling someone a liar when they are not actually a liar, and have not been caught in a lie, is kind of a big deal but maybe you don't think so.   Maybe you can disagree with our difference of opinion and claim you dominated me.

how do you know that wasn't the first time he jumped 40+, recently? etc?

you are making a presumption now, that he has jumped as high as he does currently compared to 4 years ago..

everything we are talking about is presumptions.. you are presuming he jumped 44 4+ years ago, i was completely presuming he never jumped that high and now have changed my stance and am open to the possibility of him having jumped that high years ago.. etc

all we are doing is talking about presumptions until video proof is displayed to the masses.. what you saw may have been 35" RVJ, which would allow for some nasty dunks at 6'4.. it could also have been 40, who knows, the bottom line is that the masses didn't see it, so the masses are left to their presumptions..

when i said he was lying about his vert, i believed it and meant it.. all i know now is that he is jumping pretty damn high, i can now presume he jumped high years ago, but who actually knows, that time has passed etc.. but no one will care anymore, that's the power of proving yourself.

presumptions.


How do I know that he jumped 40+ only recently or that he is even jumping 40+ now?  I don't.  I never even said he jumped 40+ or his 44" claim.  What I was originally responding to, months ago, was to some claim that he couldn't dunk at all because the call out degraded from talking about squatflex (which should definitely be questioned) to talking about how he can't even dunk (at all).  Again, as I said before, I make no presumption one way or the other.  I was saying what I personally saw some guy fucking smash a ball, and even if that rim was low that was still good for a dunk on any 10' rim.  I still say, now even, that it would be unfair to call him a liar to say that he isn't jumping 40+ or whatever unless he is shown to be unable to do it.

well i wasn't one to say he couldn't dunk.. he's 6'4 and looks fairly athletic, i said he most undoubtedly could dunk, i remember for certain that i never doubted the fact that he could dunk, i doubted his claim of elbow on rim and 44"...

we can go on and on forever, but it comes down to this: innocent until proven guilty, or guilty until proven innocent.. we both seem to actually support innocent until proven guilty, but i'm using the fact that footage didn't exist 4 years ago (or in his prime) and still hasn't existed until recently, so until recently, he was guilty of not backing up his claims. Given such a long time span between claims made and lack of footage, that leads myself & others to believe someone is full of shit, aka a liar..



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What I am trying to say is, and what I continue to say, is that I think it is bold thing to straight up call someone a liar.  I mean, Lance emailed me once that he was jumping 40+ in college.  Do I say, hey show me a video, you liar?

edit: lance replied it better than me, so ill leave my dumb response out.




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Maybe I trust people more than you do, but my personal opinion is to not actually call someone a liar unless they are lying (I have proof of a lie), not because I believe them to be lying.  

i call people liars, they either disappear/ignore like bitch ass liars or they man up and get an apology from me.. that's how i have evolved.. if someone is claiming 50" standing vert and only has still pics in front of a rim with a vertec on the side, you better believe i'm going to call them a liar.. it's their job to prove to everyone that they are legit.. if someone is claiming a 30" vert with a vertec on the side, i don't really give a shit.. it's when people encroach on the "elite level athletic bracket" without proof, that i begin to have a problem.. this industry is full of liars, more so than most any industry.. i call them liars first (if from their history they show signs of being shady and obviously have not provided any proof), then I wait for them to prove themselves.. so far nobody has ever manned up and provided video, that i have called out, except for hiller.. everyone else ducks/ignores and probably prays one day they will be able to do what they claim, but until then, if they cannot prove their claims, they are lying, no other way around it.

if a tree falls in a forrest and no one is around to hear it, did it make a sound??!?!?!

oh brb just jumped 50", i have a few witnesses.. don't call me a liar, i'll show you a video of me jumping 50" in 2 years, then that'll prove i jumped 50" 2 years prior..





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I'm sorry if I pissed you off man, I am just appreciative to Jacob and Lance because without them the only thing I would be dunking is donuts, so someone calling them a liar kind of makes me feel like I should say something though I am probably better off just keeping my mouth shut.


dude you didn't piss me off at all, it's just how i respond, it's a little "go at you" style but that's just me i let the typing flow and don't really think much about filtering what i'm saying.. it all just comes out, and that's it.

i am glad that you didn't keep your mouth shut regarding your concerns.. it would be far worse for me to call people out, get proved wrong on an issue, get offended by people getting on my case about it, and then never apologize/take the heat from it.. it's more respectable that you have voiced your opinion than have held everything in.

so in the end, me calling him a liar has no verdict.. we know now he can jump high, from a video i saw and hopefully everyone else will see.. but we also cannot justify his claims of years past based on a video that happened so far apart.. but the one thing hiller did say which is important to make note of, is something along these lines "I don't even care about 44 anymore, I want to get higher than that", something like that.. that's what it's all about, so fuck living in the past, fuck not having video of his 3 step 44 yeaaaars ago, all of that is over with.. what is important is the future.. once he starts posting footage he will realize he should have done so much sooner, and he will probably end up becoming a footage posting addict..

if he decided to never promote squatflex again, boy would the tides have changed.. home-depot-flex > squatflex.

jumpusa = scammers.

adios
Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: Cloud3205 on May 01, 2011, 04:45:47 am
Hi Lance, yes it was a PM.  About the comment in bold, I realize you were being nice, you've been nothing but nice to me.  Maybe you are misinterpreting what I said.  Also, I do not think you should care what I think about your vert, etc.  I do not think you were bragging.  That's not what I meant at all man.  

And yes, I directly asked about your vertical and you were being nice by answering it, not bragging.  I am sorry, I wasn't trying to say otherwise.  

The only point I am trying to make here is like I appreciate what you do for me.  I appreciate what Jacob did for me.  That's it.  
Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: Cloud3205 on May 01, 2011, 04:49:00 am
Lance man, I hope you read this, I wasn't trying to say you lied about your vert at all.  I was trying to get Andrew to see the LIGHT that someone can claim something that actually is true.  NO, you should not give a fuck about what I think, anyway dude, I am really sorry if you took it the wrong way, I appreciate all the coaching. 

Adarq man - jumpusa sucks.  I told jacob jumpusa sucks and I was concerned about his affiliation, I can't control everything he does. 
Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: LanceSTS on May 01, 2011, 06:27:50 am
Lance man, I hope you read this, I wasn't trying to say you lied about your vert at all.  I was trying to get Andrew to see the LIGHT that someone can claim something that actually is true.  NO, you should not give a fuck about what I think, anyway dude, I am really sorry if you took it the wrong way, I appreciate all the coaching. 

Adarq man - jumpusa sucks.  I told jacob jumpusa sucks and I was concerned about his affiliation, I can't control everything he does. 

nah its cool man, I understand you defending hiller because he helped you and thats cool, but that example you gave was funny to me.  I dont sell things online and dont introduce myself as "hey i did this and this and this and this" etc., and I dont claim that I used xxx program to jump the way I did.  A lot of ppl ask me about my jumping because of my playing basketball in college, and I am always straight up about it, I jumped high in high school, before ever really training at all, so people can attribute my jumping in college to whatever they want, doesnt have anything to do with me being a programming genius. 

I also didnt say anything about hillers jumping or his claims of jumping, i said over and over to not make this thread about his vert, its about him promoting squatflex, at the time he did, in the manner he did, with all of the other scammers.  It might look like everybody is out to get him but that is not the case at all,  look at the other thread, when he said " i will no longer promote squatflex" or whatever, then look at my and adarqs first replies.  I would be 10000% fine with Hiller if he didnt do shit like that, he seems like a nice guy.

 He explained the annoying affiliate spam, which is annoying and lies from them used to sell a product, but thats a minor issue compared to trying to get money from teenagers during a time of year when its known that the parents will be more giving.  Thats the issue, nothing to do with hating him personally etc.  Ive left places before that I had a lot of history with over the exact same issue, I feel pretty strongly about lying and scamming.  Knowing that some poor kid is putting their hopes and dreams into a piece of junk, promoted by someone they trust, bugs the hell out of me.
Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: Jacob Hiller on May 01, 2011, 12:47:11 pm
Wow... my internet went down and things got nuts!...


I just want to say thanks to Cloud for backing me up... That takes guts in a place where the entire place is all taking pop shots at me.

I also want to say thanks to Adarq for being fair...

Without video proof of my old jumps... I can never really prove it... oh well.

I don't have any doubts I'll beat that and i'm already decently close.

Lance... I appreciate you for giving me some benefit of the doubt.

Fact is... I think SF has some value, you don't... we've gone over and over this...

I also don't like the hype of some of the promos...

It sucks that my difference of opinion can't be accepted, and instead turns it into a moral issue instead of a logical issue.

Same with my other "affiliations"... I promote refer a couple other products that I think are good... and I get rolled in the mud because of who those people are... Andrew explained why for one of them... but the other I still don't get.

There are some great things being said here.. things that will help me to be more successful... I don't want to be perceived in some of these ways.

At the same time i feel there are also some unfair ultimatums being made...

Anyways, I think ground i being made...  Ya'll forced my hand on this footage a bit.. and really maybe it was the right thing.

I was going to hold out until I was back at prime, but now I feel a bit inspired to buy a tripod and start putting out regular footage of training and jumps. 

We'll see if that inspiration actually leads to something good!

Let's all just chill on each other a bit... I was telling Andrew... we are all vertical jump freaks in here, so let's not get petty and rip each other apart... 

Andrew, Lance, and many athletes have done one helluva job keeping great journals and getting some great VJ discourse about some awesome topics on here.  I've got nothing but respect for the serious grind that the hard work and consistency that takes in here.

VIDEO COMING VERY VERY SOON.. within 10 minutes - (internet is back up again)
Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: mod92 on May 01, 2011, 12:51:08 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHhwpsCHc3k&feature=feedu
Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: piR on May 01, 2011, 01:00:44 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHhwpsCHc3k&feature=feedu


Damn Props! You got up nice.
Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: Jacob Hiller on May 01, 2011, 01:13:57 pm
http://www.adarq.org/forum/pics-videos-links/40-42-inch-vertical-leap-adarq-verified-jacob-hiller/new/#new

Here is the video as posted on ADARQ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHhwpsCHc3k

Maybe I should just embed it here...

Andrew let me know if that's not ok.
Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: Raptor on May 01, 2011, 01:34:23 pm
Nice man, you learned after effects in the meantime eh?

Nah but seriously, really nice jump, very quick as well.
Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: adarqui on May 01, 2011, 01:49:23 pm
Anyways, I think ground i being made...  Ya'll forced my hand on this footage a bit.. and really maybe it was the right thing.

I was going to hold out until I was back at prime, but now I feel a bit inspired to buy a tripod and start putting out regular footage of training and jumps. 

We'll see if that inspiration actually leads to something good!

 :wowthatwasnutswtf:

you're about to become a footage posting addict, based on the feedback you will get lmao.




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Let's all just chill on each other a bit... I was telling Andrew... we are all vertical jump freaks in here, so let's not get petty and rip each other apart... 

Andrew, Lance, and many athletes have done one helluva job keeping great journals and getting some great VJ discourse about some awesome topics on here.  I've got nothing but respect for the serious grind that the hard work and consistency that takes in here.

VIDEO COMING VERY VERY SOON.. within 10 minutes - (internet is back up again)

appreciate it man, and ya, you definitely improved your respect by proving me/the doubters wrong on your vert/athleticism claim.. i'm pissed that i was proved wrong, helped me set a squat PR yesterday, but i'm very happy you can jump/perform the way you say you do.

ill reply in your other thread later, interested to see some of the replies on there/youtube comments..

pc
Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: Jacob Hiller on May 01, 2011, 02:17:30 pm
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you're about to become a footage posting addict, based on the feedback you will get lmao.

I hope so... I really should.

I know that I'm that there's things we disagree about but I see your point of view a bit..

....

You see folks marketing hype...
It looks like their stuff is not even good ...
You don't see any proof or back up..

And if you see them getting more "successful" or getting more "attention" then you are here... where it's free, and where your training is excellent...

It's like that bad guys with no proof are selling the people crap all the way to the bank... when the land of the free and plenty is right here! 

It just flies in your face...  and stokes up some athletic jihad...

I don't want or expect you guys to agree with me about everything... but.. I'm not one of the "bad guys."





Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: Jacob Hiller on May 01, 2011, 07:59:56 pm
Lance...

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and I dont claim that I used xxx program to jump the way I did.

I'd be curious about your stats before or now... or any vids.

Totally not calling you out lol, but would be interested to check it out.

I looked for your bio but couldn't find it.
Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: thewon888 on May 01, 2011, 08:32:46 pm
 Really nice vid Jacob :o! Much respect, it must have taken a lot of hard work and dedication to get your vert back up to that level. As I stated before I have your program and would just like to know your squat or leg press numbers.
Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: $ick3nin.v3nd3tta on May 01, 2011, 08:43:20 pm
People should give a little more respect to leg press as you can load the exercise far greater.
Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: Jacob Hiller on May 01, 2011, 08:47:58 pm
Thewon... thanks man.

Head over to www.jumpmanual.com/support and schedule a session with me.

We'll go over anything you want, fill out a pre assessment as well if you can.

I'll even show you a dunk vid ;)

Any discussion here is likely to flower or even flame up... so I'd much prefer we do that over there.

Thanks man.
Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: Jacob Hiller on May 01, 2011, 08:49:57 pm
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People should give a little more respect to leg press as you can load the exercise far greater.

Hey bro!  This is my hate forum!  You wanna get flamed... get your own thread! ;)

Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: LanceSTS on May 01, 2011, 09:00:51 pm
Lance...

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and I dont claim that I used xxx program to jump the way I did.

I'd be curious about your stats before or now... or any vids.

Totally not calling you out lol, but would be interested to check it out.

I looked for your bio but couldn't find it.

The highest I ever tested officially during my collegiate career was low 40's w 2-3 steps.  Have no idea what I can do now, I dont play much anymore aside from a summer league team with some of my old teamates every now and then.  

My best squat is a little over 500, best bench is 405, best powerclean is 330, best powersnatch is 235, best deadlift i dont know, done 550 on diff occasions but never maxed it out.

Im about 6'1.5-6'2, weight about 235 right now, in college i was around 195.  

Youre subscribed to me on youtube, so any footage that I have that would interest you is on there.


this is about the size i was in college

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5018/5406094479_42bc43f329_m.jpg)


this is about ~30lbs of muscle tissue heavier, closer to now, leaned up of course.

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5137/5501783386_435b444965_m.jpg)


  Ive been an athlete in several different sports, some of them at a fairly high level, and dont compete any longer.  My focus is strictly training others now and even though I still train hard and very consistently, jumping and sprinting are no longer of much importance to me at this point.  

 
Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: JackW on May 01, 2011, 09:19:34 pm

I don't want or expect you guys to agree with me about everything... but.. I'm not one of the "bad guys."


I agree. Also, as others have said, great video.
Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: Jacob Hiller on May 01, 2011, 09:21:39 pm
Lance...

Very impressive number!

Ripped man... but those pics look like they're from 1974.  You don't look that old!

Playin ball with that build and power level was probably fun and / or dangerous depending on the side.

You don't see many ballers with that kind of power... at least that have any level of finesse.



- Thanks JACKW...

Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: Jacob Hiller on May 01, 2011, 10:25:36 pm
Also... realizing something else.

Been reading your stuff... training as well as other hilarious stuff... and...

Many of the people's whose products I have referred or do refer... you have extensive history with.

You know them from other forums, and have had many exchanges with them etc... (speaking specifically of Andrew and JC)

I picked out the products from a "lineup" after reviewing them compared to others... based on what might customers ask me about (shooting, dribbling, at home workouts mostly...)

But now I show up on a scene that's been playing out for a long time... and it's like I've been part of it, but I don't know WTF is going on.

Was checking out some thread watching JC rip into tons of people from some DB forum lol...

It's no wonder my referring their product ticks him off... it's like dating his old girl friend or something... ok not really but... It's definitely like I'm just joined the side of the enemy...

"Historically" it helps to make sense of the intense emotion that show sup... the politics of you and "them" have been kind of playing out for a while.

SBT, VS, DB Hammer, ADARQ there has been this online VJ social / political culture that's been going on lol... hahaha

Is that way off base here or..?

Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: TheSituation on May 01, 2011, 10:37:58 pm
Oh please. You conveniently picked people to associate with that are also associated with Jump USA. What a joke

But you posted the jumping video, so as promised I'm out of this thread. Good job.
Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: Jacob Hiller on May 01, 2011, 10:43:37 pm
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Oh please. You conveniently picked people to associate with that are also associated with Jump USA. What a joke

JC - Your pledge to cordial replies was never said to be limited to this forum bro...

lol - You think I knew the dribbling product I chose was written by someone who associated with JUMP USA?

I know you hate these guys man, but your surety of these conspiracy theories is way to clear in your own head.

I hand selected products based on if they promote Jump USA?  Why? lol

I can promote any of them independently... at any time...

I don't even understand why I would do that...


Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: Jacob Hiller on May 01, 2011, 10:51:49 pm
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If you do all the measurements and can prove you have a vertical jump (or running if thats what you're claiming) of 40 inches, I will never respond to you negatively again even though I think you are retarded for actually believing in squat flex (like you claim). And I've been bashing you since our streetball talk days so that's a pretty sweet deal

This is a very sweet deal... 

I enjoy watching your antics just not when they're aimed at me...   your rant post about the DB HAMMER guys was amazing.
Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: TheSituation on May 01, 2011, 10:54:43 pm
lol

I'm not even going to respond to that. Good job derailing the thread and trying to make everything sound good because you can jump. The scammer issue stands.

Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: Jacob Hiller on May 01, 2011, 10:56:14 pm
lol...

At least it seemed like a good deal.
Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: TheSituation on May 01, 2011, 11:00:37 pm
lol...

At least it seemed like a good deal.

The deal still stands. Stop responding to me so I don't have to respond.
Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: Jacob Hiller on May 01, 2011, 11:14:23 pm
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The deal still stands.

Awesome ... thought I got scammed for a sec.
Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: JackW on May 02, 2011, 10:06:24 am
I was just reading the comments section of your YouTube video Jacob and I was highly amused by one of Andrews comments

"consider my anus raped, good job :)"

Now, I don't mean to really get into this comment too much, but really aside form being wrong on so many levels Andrew, it is also an oxymoron. Your anus could not have been raped if you then follow it up with "good job". Imagine a rape victim rolling up to the police station to report his/her raping and when the officer asks the victim to describe the attack they come out with

"it was fantastic. I haven't been shagged like that in ages. I came like, 5 times".

I can't really see those charges sticking.

Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: D-Rose Jr on May 02, 2011, 12:07:14 pm
I was just reading the comments section of your YouTube video Jacob and I was highly amused by one of Andrews comments

"consider my anus raped, good job :)"

Now, I don't mean to really get into this comment too much, but really aside form being wrong on so many levels Andrew, it is also an oxymoron. Your anus could not have been raped if you then follow it up with "good job". Imagine a rape victim rolling up to the police station to report his/her raping and when the officer asks the victim to describe the attack they come out with

"it was fantastic. I haven't been shagged like that in ages. I came like, 5 times".

I can't really see those charges sticking.




HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA  :wowthatwasnutswtf:
Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: Jacob Hiller on May 02, 2011, 07:00:10 pm
For those who wanted a dunk...

In particular for Cloud who always stuck up for me even when peeps said he was lyin...

This is quite a few months ago... my dunk RIGHT after this one... I pull my groin on (ugh), and I have me waddling back after it... it was a minor set back!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44gQK9OKWeY

Andrew was right... the feedback is fun on You tube and motivating, makes me want to post more!



Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: aiir on May 02, 2011, 07:07:31 pm
For those who wanted a dunk...

In particular for Cloud who always stuck up for me even when peeps said he was lyin...

This is quite a few months ago... my dunk RIGHT after this one... I pull my groin on (ugh), and I have me waddling back after it... it was a minor set back!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44gQK9OKWeY

Andrew was right... the feedback is fun on You tube and motivating, makes me want to post more!





 :o :o :o
wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeew
Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: JackW on May 02, 2011, 10:43:10 pm
Seriously Jacob, your crazy hops and that power dunk video are fantastic. God knows why you wouldn't want to post that earlier and shut up these hecklers here. That two handed dunk was bloody marvellous.
Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: adarqui on May 02, 2011, 11:27:08 pm
For those who wanted a dunk...

In particular for Cloud who always stuck up for me even when peeps said he was lyin...

This is quite a few months ago... my dunk RIGHT after this one... I pull my groin on (ugh), and I have me waddling back after it... it was a minor set back!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44gQK9OKWeY

very nice, love the power & how you finished it.. had swag on the finish + landing.



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Andrew was right... the feedback is fun on You tube and motivating, makes me want to post more!

lol yup, it gets addicting.. funny thing is, posting footage for me early on was motivating in a diff sense.. i could barely jump and people were dropping mad hate.. now im jumping pretty good & get much better feedback, still get lots of haters tho they can't deal with the air jesus aka hobo dunker swag.. but ya it's addicting, really feels good to drop videos that motivate people etc.. and as coaches, not just athletes, it's even more important imo.. if you're still training for a goal, it's great to demonstrate that you truly do practice what you preach, it has a much bigger impact on those who follow what you do.

"lot more people finna start leg pressin now that hiller dropped vids" -- hobo dunker.

lmao, peace :F
Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: adarqui on May 02, 2011, 11:31:13 pm
Seriously Jacob, your crazy hops and that power dunk video are fantastic. God knows why you wouldn't want to post that earlier and shut up these hecklers here. That two handed dunk was bloody marvellous.

not just here, everywhere, but ya.. it wasn't just people on here doubting hiller's 44" claims..

but ya, hiller footage = highly anticipated now.

hah
Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: TheSituation on May 03, 2011, 03:09:54 am
Seriously Jacob, your crazy hops and that power dunk video are fantastic. God knows why you wouldn't want to post that earlier and shut up these hecklers here. That two handed dunk was bloody marvellous.


You lose all respect for Kelly Baggett for working with Alex Maroko but you are on Hiller's nuts when he associates with the whole team of scammers?



(http://barabass.blog.mk/files/2011/03/intredasting-292x300.jpg)



Go on with the chlorophyll.
Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: Raptor on May 03, 2011, 06:33:42 am
Seriously Jacob, your crazy hops and that power dunk video are fantastic. God knows why you wouldn't want to post that earlier and shut up these hecklers here. That two handed dunk was bloody marvellous.

Yeah, I agree, I seriously have no idea why someone wouldn't want to post a dunk/jump video of himself when he has these kinds of videos. And it's not even about bragging/marketing/anything else than just having fun, talk about common passions, share stuff with people etc.

Nice dunk man, you're really explosive.
Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: JackW on May 03, 2011, 08:22:58 pm
Seriously Jacob, your crazy hops and that power dunk video are fantastic. God knows why you wouldn't want to post that earlier and shut up these hecklers here. That two handed dunk was bloody marvellous.


You lose all respect for Kelly Baggett for working with Alex Maroko but you are on Hiller's nuts when he associates with the whole team of scammers?



(http://barabass.blog.mk/files/2011/03/intredasting-292x300.jpg)



Go on with the chlorophyll.

Hi JC

I certainly have not lost ALL respect for Kelly, but have lost some respect yes, but I can also understand why people do what they do - and I can choose to disagree with their decisions. But then I am also in a very, very fortunate lucky position that financially my jump program and indeed even my training business, are not my main source of income (my wife is a big earner), so I can afford to take a different approach to things. I don't really know Kelly's or Adam L's situation, but Jacob certainly doesn't need to do things like promote Alex and Jump USA, which is why I find that very disappointing. I have also told him this on a number of occasions.

When it comes to Maroko, Jump USA and so on, I am in complete agreement with the majority of people on this board - those guys do things that are IMO unethical and people such as JH do themselves no favors by associating themselves with them.

However, I am also happy enough to note that you have been calling Jacob a fake for quite some time now about his vertical jump claims, even going all Dexter on his rim ripping pictures. My "on his nuts" comments were directed only at his impressive dunk and jump videos which he has just posted. JC, All I am saying is give credit where credit is due, the man has hops.

Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: Jacob Hiller on May 03, 2011, 08:38:20 pm
JC -

I don't know you too well man but you like to rip people up.  What's up with that?

I know you get some props from folks for it cause it is funny, but you seem to be consumed with coming up with th next greatest slam.

How about an occasional lift and build man? haha...

I like going through your posts just to watch how you trash on people, but is that what you wanna be known for... your negative contributions.

If I'm wrong and only seeing half the story just call me out on it... ya'll know JC way more than I do.

People aren't usually "all bad" or "all good" anyways... 
Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: TheSituation on May 03, 2011, 09:48:34 pm
It wasn't meant to be a big deal. It was just an observation I made. That wasn't the first time I noticed a post like that. I also wasn't the one to call the pictures fake.

I have no regrets for calling Jacob out on his jump.  It took 3 years to get a video, even though he claimed 3 years ago he would post a video once he got "healthy". We've heard this same story over and over on the Internet. Jacob proved his claims, but this will not change my mindset at all. Basically with achievements, you didn't accomplish them until you prove it.

And for Jacob, I enjoy calling out scammers because I know dumb kids fall for it. I really don't call people out on athletic achievements. The only other one I've done was calling Rip out on his 40 pullups, and I ended up being correct.

Trust me, this is a small part of my life. I don't want to be remembered for being a call em out warrior.
Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: Jacob Hiller on May 03, 2011, 10:37:16 pm
JC - Fair enough...  Thanks for respecting "the deal" BTW..


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And for Jacob, I enjoy calling out scammers because I know dumb kids fall for it.

I refer a dribbling product (AM) and a shooting product (TA) both of which are good products...

I even created a new setup so I can refund or cancel those products in the case that customer service is bad... so I can guarantee my customers they are treated right.

Honestly, I think you'r a little hard on me for my "association"... and to be honest I haven't found anything wrong with those guys... other than a couple goober emails, but people love to write goober email copy and a bit of excess hype.

Anyways not trying to steer this towards a history lesson on anyone... just saying... when my customers asked me for a dribbling product I reviewed tons of them... and decided on that one...  and now it's part of our regular promo.

When my customers asked for a shooting product I found one... but wasn't real hot about it.  Then I found TAs product and I really like it, as do my customers... so it's a regular part of our promoting.

When I have products that work to refer, that I believe in and customers are happy with, I  don't think there is any shame in promoting them as best as possible, and for me that includes SF...  which I promoted once and will likely promote again...  I've had good feedback with it.

I don't want to turn this thread into an SF, AM, TA thread.. I'm just trying to say...

When I personally believe a product is good, and something my customers will or have already liked... I refer it to them, unapologetically.  And I always get emails about "Thanks for referring me / my son to ____ product.. we have really liked it..."

- Affiliates getting out of hand... legit...
- Me not having proof  / holding back videos - legit (calling me a liar... maybe a bit too far.... no proof though)
- Me being the devil for promoting someone product whom you have a a person problem with? ... not sure...
- Me being the devil for thinking SF has it's uses? We disagree... I'm open to being smashed "logically" in a public debate... on it's uses... not their marketing, or Slam or BA or any of that... just it's uses... then let folks decide for themselves.

I think my promo and my use of the SF is different than else who has ever promoted SF.  I know you still disagree but...


Anyways... I don't want to re-explode this thread...

In fact I feel that since I've shown proof of the jumping there is a different "tone" and I totally appreciate that.

No one is "agreeing" with me on other points, but the tone of it is different.





 

Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: Jacob Hiller on May 04, 2011, 07:38:06 pm
Ok... not sure if anyone is even listening anymore... but I'm serious about the spam thing.

I wrote my Clickbank rep today:

(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/11791097/affiliates-improvement.jpg)

They already got back to me and we're getting a plan to control this better (overdue...  like the video)...

So while this is MY responsibility if there is some guy doing some derp stuff... 

An email box will be setup at:

spam (AT) jumpmanual (dot) com
abuse (AT) jumpmanual (dot) com

and I even made an email box just for JC...

yousuck (AT) jumpmanual (dot) com

And for Andrew...

derp (AT) jumpmanual (dot) com


These are being setup now... and should be ready asap.

Any complaints sent here i guarantee will be acted upon...

So if you feel like doing me a favor jet me an email linking to the derpage.

I take crappy and annoying spam serious as it's been responsible for more than a few people thinking it's me!


For giggles:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdlDC8MifKU



Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: JelloPuddinPup on May 04, 2011, 08:52:58 pm

For giggles:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdlDC8MifKU





Can I just say how absolutely stupid that was? Not in a mean way, and not because it wasn't impressive...but because you're jumping head first towards the other side of the pool! That's an easy way to break a nose or lose an entire front set of teeth man! Geez man! Gotta protect those pearly whites dude!J

By the way, that rim was way below 10'! Haha.
Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: LanceSTS on May 04, 2011, 09:03:33 pm
Ok... not sure if anyone is even listening anymore... but I'm serious about the spam thing.

I wrote my Clickbank rep today:

(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/11791097/affiliates-improvement.jpg)

They already got back to me and we're getting a plan to control this better (overdue...  like the video)...

So while this is MY responsibility if there is some guy doing some derp stuff... 

An email box will be setup at:

spam (AT) jumpmanual (dot) com
abuse (AT) jumpmanual (dot) com

and I even made an email box just for JC...

yousuck (AT) jumpmanual (dot) com

And for Andrew...

derp (AT) jumpmanual (dot) com


These are being setup now... and should be ready asap.

Any complaints sent here i guarantee will be acted upon...

So if you feel like doing me a favor jet me an email linking to the derpage.

I take crappy and annoying spam serious as it's been responsible for more than a few people thinking it's me!


For giggles:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdlDC8MifKU





 

Props on doing that man.
Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: Jacob Hiller on May 06, 2011, 12:16:19 am
Thanks Lance...

Let me know what you guys think of this one.. just uploaded... first dunkmix ... mostly lobs and nothing too tricky.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdcI7CJciCw

... let me know if I need to stop posting my video rampage on this thread...
Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: adarqui on May 06, 2011, 12:27:22 am
Thanks Lance...

Let me know what you guys think of this one.. just uploaded... first dunkmix ... mostly lobs and nothing too tricky.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdcI7CJciCw

really sick, some nasty dunks in there.. too bad you had to get out of the way so many times, of people coming back to your court, ruins your landings a bit because it makes shit seemed rushed etc.. but some nasty dunks in there, first one and "showtime" one were really nice. there was a really nice two hander in there leaning to the side too, forget where exactly.

alot of weight coming down on that rim, ya you need a stronger hoop and people not rushing you, can't always get that though so got to do whatever, but under the circumstances, really good shit.




Quote
... let me know if I need to stop posting my video rampage on this thread...

post wherever mang, it's all good, this is your "call em out thread" after all lmao.

peace!
Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: Cloud3205 on May 06, 2011, 02:41:45 am
Jacob, will you share your squat numbers and other lift numbers that you might do with us?
Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: Jacob Hiller on May 06, 2011, 05:55:29 pm
Cloud...

Come to a coaching session and we can go over all that...

Unfortunately I don't have much training footage or proof of my current or past achievements.

Anyways, might end up watering down this thread.

I have one vid of m deadlifting ~500...

My AC is actually not impressive...

I can't imagine how I'd jump with Lance's numbers...

But I'm fired up... I can't watch someone jumping higher than without getting ticked off..

I know that sounds ridiculous, but I don't want to jump 42... or even 44 inches this go round.

I want head injuries... regularly.

My strength numbers are NOWHERE near where they need to be...

I'm easing into more explosive stuff because only injury is going to stop the progress.... it's the worst enemy.

My last ATG max (few months ago) was 315, and front squat to parallel 275 (raised heels).

Honestly I'm really enjoying and seeing results from the front squat, heels raised and finding it to be extremely VJ specific.

Why I focused on my DL for a while is a long story... but mostly because I often only had a bar with no squat rack, and I wanted to go strong PC this time around.  Last time around... I was AC very strong and PC not so much...

The experience has kept me a huge quad proponent for VJ, and my quads... are my weakest link right now.. and calves.

I also go stints without a gym and have just learned to do tons of single leg work... I've found it to be great for knee health and stability, but I found it less useful for maximum strength.  On a good day I can do ~15 ATG single leg pistols.

What I don't have access to are the hyper or reverse hyper, med ball throws (one of my favorites)... and I often have to improvise on plyo boxes. 

This has been a big help for me to understand many of my international customers... in America.. our average gym.. is downright amazing.

The worst part is that when some of these poorer countries we visit get some funding... they buy a bunch of expensive machines... (leg curl, leg extensions, arm curl, tricep extension, lat pull downs, etc... often not even a good leg press!... haha.... go easy....)

The 2 toughest parts of my training now is that every month (changing countries) I get an entirely new set of training implements... AND a completely new diet.... and although I port around supplements.. I run out.  I'm not making excuses, here but it is definitely different than having  huge grocery store, amazing gym, and GNC all within 5 minutes.

When we started "touring" I thought we would go home soon... so I kind of just let my training slacken a bit because circumstances weren't perfect... I wasn't taking my own advice "Imperfect action is better than no action."  I still trained, but I wasn't fully engaged.

1 year later when my wife and I decided we might keep this up... indefinitely.... I started facing the reality that I would have to figure out a way to train as best I could while on the road.  Now I have a bag full of some training implements with me, I got into body weight stuff, and we do our best to get a gym-centric location.

At one point I carried around a rope and pulley system and hooked it up to my suitcase full of water bottles to do some more general strength and body building stuff...

Last weekend I found an axel with wheels attached and used it to do squat jumps fro the week because the town simply had NO gym... repeat NO gym.  I put it outside my room and used it every morning and decided I'd do a high frequency squat jump experiment for the week.  Guests looked at me like i was a weirdo.. but... I kept progress moving.

Little by little I've gotten into a grove and learned to improvise much better in each area.... and now I'm just downright fired up and very focused.

I had always planned on making my "come back" sooner, but I also didn't know I was going to get married, leave the country, then starting moving to a different country every month.

Fault is all mine... I should've adapted and been more disciplined during all the "life changes" but it is what it is... and I'm happy to be what I'm doing and be able to train at a very high level as well.

Wow.. I type to much every time...








Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: Raptor on May 06, 2011, 06:59:40 pm
Quick question:

Is the Jump Manual still the "derp" manual?
Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: Clarence on May 06, 2011, 07:37:16 pm
Quick question:

Is the Jump Manual still the "derp" manual?

wtf does derp mean anyway?   denver employee retirement plan???
Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: steventar on May 06, 2011, 07:52:15 pm
Quick question:

Is the Jump Manual still the "derp" manual?

short answer, yes.
Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: Cloud3205 on May 06, 2011, 07:56:46 pm
Cloud...

Come to a coaching session and we can go over all that...

Unfortunately I don't have much training footage or proof of my current or past achievements.

Anyways, might end up watering down this thread.

I have one vid of m deadlifting ~500...

My AC is actually not impressive...

I can't imagine how I'd jump with Lance's numbers...

But I'm fired up... I can't watch someone jumping higher than without getting ticked off..

I know that sounds ridiculous, but I don't want to jump 42... or even 44 inches this go round.

I want head injuries... regularly.

My strength numbers are NOWHERE near where they need to be...

I'm easing into more explosive stuff because only injury is going to stop the progress.... it's the worst enemy.

My last ATG max (few months ago) was 315, and front squat to parallel 275 (raised heels).

Honestly I'm really enjoying and seeing results from the front squat, heels raised and finding it to be extremely VJ specific.

Why I focused on my DL for a while is a long story... but mostly because I often only had a bar with no squat rack, and I wanted to go strong PC this time around.  Last time around... I was AC very strong and PC not so much...

The experience has kept me a huge quad proponent for VJ, and my quads... are my weakest link right now.. and calves.

I also go stints without a gym and have just learned to do tons of single leg work... I've found it to be great for knee health and stability, but I found it less useful for maximum strength.  On a good day I can do ~15 ATG single leg pistols.

What I don't have access to are the hyper or reverse hyper, med ball throws (one of my favorites)... and I often have to improvise on plyo boxes. 

This has been a big help for me to understand many of my international customers... in America.. our average gym.. is downright amazing.

The worst part is that when some of these poorer countries we visit get some funding... they buy a bunch of expensive machines... (leg curl, leg extensions, arm curl, tricep extension, lat pull downs, etc... often not even a good leg press!... haha.... go easy....)

The 2 toughest parts of my training now is that every month (changing countries) I get an entirely new set of training implements... AND a completely new diet.... and although I port around supplements.. I run out.  I'm not making excuses, here but it is definitely different than having  huge grocery store, amazing gym, and GNC all within 5 minutes.

When we started "touring" I thought we would go home soon... so I kind of just let my training slacken a bit because circumstances weren't perfect... I wasn't taking my own advice "Imperfect action is better than no action."  I still trained, but I wasn't fully engaged.

1 year later when my wife and I decided we might keep this up... indefinitely.... I started facing the reality that I would have to figure out a way to train as best I could while on the road.  Now I have a bag full of some training implements with me, I got into body weight stuff, and we do our best to get a gym-centric location.

At one point I carried around a rope and pulley system and hooked it up to my suitcase full of water bottles to do some more general strength and body building stuff...

Last weekend I found an axel with wheels attached and used it to do squat jumps fro the week because the town simply had NO gym... repeat NO gym.  I put it outside my room and used it every morning and decided I'd do a high frequency squat jump experiment for the week.  Guests looked at me like i was a weirdo.. but... I kept progress moving.

Little by little I've gotten into a grove and learned to improvise much better in each area.... and now I'm just downright fired up and very focused.

I had always planned on making my "come back" sooner, but I also didn't know I was going to get married, leave the country, then starting moving to a different country every month.

Fault is all mine... I should've adapted and been more disciplined during all the "life changes" but it is what it is... and I'm happy to be what I'm doing and be able to train at a very high level as well.

Wow.. I type to much every time...










Hey man, I don't see why you seem so upset about the training, I don't see many people jumping as high as you.  Really only 315 ATG though?  It seems like you have a ton and strength and power, I didn't know someone could jump that high with those strength levels, unless that is not an accurate measurement of your strength somehow.  I will come to a coaching session, I just have had school and work making it impossible for me to make the sessions, I will be able to soon though.
Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: Jacob Hiller on May 06, 2011, 09:07:35 pm
Cloud.. haha, I'm not "upset" but I'm not impressed and as you can tell my numbers need some work.

I did a quarter squat 2 weeks ago at 525... which is ok... so perhaps at those higher ROM squats.. ATG I'm weaker at those joint angles.

I'm pretty surprised how often my joint angles are so great during my jumps... really large angles.

For reasons... I've neglected my quads pretty hard this go round (until several months ago).

The best part is, that I'm jumping ~42 now and some of the key elements need some obvious work... quads, calves, and plyometric ability.

... Adarq - You ever think of doing a "Flame Free" Thread or forum room?  Sounds pretty weak sauce really... but there are a couple of things that I'd be interested in discussing around here in an "open" type of environment were we talked principles without going at each other's throats.  I'm TOTALLY open to my mind being changed about... pretty much all my training...  Really, getting "proved" wrong just gives me more tools for me or my athletes... 


HEY.. how come I don't get notifications from this topic anymore?  daggumit

Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: Jacob Hiller on May 06, 2011, 09:08:42 pm
Quick question:

Is the Jump Manual still the "derp" manual?

short answer, yes.

long answer, no

;) j/k
Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: $ick3nin.v3nd3tta on May 06, 2011, 09:44:53 pm
How come your in Ethiopia Jacob?.

Fan of travelling?.
Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: Jacob Hiller on May 06, 2011, 09:52:43 pm
I live on the road...  literally.  We have no home and we travel from country to country... have been doing so for 2 years.

Before we go into a country I typically have connections or engagements to train teams, coaches, or individuals.

We usually stay in one country for one month, then move to the next.... we've been at it for 2.5 years.
Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: $ick3nin.v3nd3tta on May 06, 2011, 10:12:11 pm
So where to next?.
Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: aiir on May 06, 2011, 10:45:11 pm
Cloud.. haha, I'm not "upset" but I'm not impressed and as you can tell my numbers need some work.

I did a quarter squat 2 weeks ago at 525... which is ok... so perhaps at those higher ROM squats.. ATG I'm weaker at those joint angles.

I'm pretty surprised how often my joint angles are so great during my jumps... really large angles.

For reasons... I've neglected my quads pretty hard this go round (until several months ago).

The best part is, that I'm jumping ~42 now and some of the key elements need some obvious work... quads, calves, and plyometric ability.

... Adarq - You ever think of doing a "Flame Free" Thread or forum room?  Sounds pretty weak sauce really... but there are a couple of things that I'd be interested in discussing around here in an "open" type of environment were we talked principles without going at each other's throats.  I'm TOTALLY open to my mind being changed about... pretty much all my training...  Really, getting "proved" wrong just gives me more tools for me or my athletes... 


HEY.. how come I don't get notifications from this topic anymore?  daggumit





its known as Strength, Power, Reactivity, & Speed Discussion subfroum
 
Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: Jacob Hiller on May 06, 2011, 10:51:40 pm
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So where to next?

Cairo on Monday.

Quote
its known as Strength, Power, Reactivity, & Speed Discussion subfroum

So a serious question about SF, Jump Soles (or others), leg press, or sky max wouldn't be flamed out there?
Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: aiir on May 07, 2011, 12:22:02 am
Quote
its known as Strength, Power, Reactivity, & Speed Discussion subfroum

So a serious question about SF, Jump Soles (or others), leg press, or sky max wouldn't be flamed out there?

probably not
Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: Raptor on May 07, 2011, 06:29:29 am
I'm like really dissapointed nobody talked about Vertimax. It costs a lot (~2000$ if I remember right) and could be used as a great marketing tool for scamming. Yet nobody is using it. Their loss I guess.
Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: Jacob Hiller on May 07, 2011, 12:45:25 pm
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wtf does derp mean anyway?   

"Derp" is a Russian word from the eastern block training system that means "to maximize explosion and swag." 

It literally translates as "to boss hog it."

Derp Manual
Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: Jacob Hiller on May 07, 2011, 12:47:52 pm
Quote
I'm like really dissapointed nobody talked about Vertimax.

I'm really disappointed nobody questioned my used of "Sky Max"

Quote
So a serious question about SF, Jump Soles (or others), leg press, or sky max wouldn't be flamed out there?

.. because I totally made it up...


Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: Clarence on May 07, 2011, 05:06:46 pm
haha...i thought about looking it up but couldnt' be bothered.
Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: swans05 on May 07, 2011, 08:13:09 pm
have you ever came out to Australia Jacob or plan to?
Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: Jacob Hiller on May 11, 2011, 06:35:05 pm
I hear it's a fantastic continent, and we have tentative plans to come this year.
Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: swans05 on May 11, 2011, 11:29:15 pm
its shit at the moment cos its pissing with rain but don't let that scare ya
Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: Jacob Hiller on May 11, 2011, 11:35:32 pm
IF your not a hater... add me on facebook.  I always announce there and then meet up with friends / Jump Manual users to ball.
Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: dirksilver on May 14, 2011, 01:08:02 pm
i just read through this whole thread and i have to say...quite a fun read

Jacob i know i'd love to have those discussions and i think others would too...so lets do it...start the thread brother!


come to Ottawa and we'll ball at my ward building and i'll take you to church hahaha
Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: Jacob Hiller on May 14, 2011, 05:00:40 pm
Dirk lol... if we hit Canada I'll drop you a line.  Would love to church ball it up! hahaha...
Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: dirksilver on May 14, 2011, 05:22:48 pm
Dirk lol... if we hit Canada I'll drop you a line.  Would love to church ball it up! hahaha...

alright brother! would love it!
Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: clintzyc24 on May 16, 2011, 08:15:27 am
so...is the jump manual recommended now after jacob is proved to have nice vert? or is it still a bad program?
Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: steventar on May 18, 2011, 01:40:34 am
so...is the jump manual recommended now after jacob is proved to have nice vert? or is it still a bad program?

why dont you come to a coaching section and find out? (sarcasm intended).
Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: Raptor on May 18, 2011, 02:33:12 am
so...is the jump manual recommended now after jacob is proved to have nice vert? or is it still a bad program?

why dont you come to a coaching section and find out? (sarcasm intended).

You can pay me for an honest review. Now obviously if Jacob pays me, I'll give a different review.
Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: clintzyc24 on May 19, 2011, 05:11:37 am
so...is the jump manual recommended now after jacob is proved to have nice vert? or is it still a bad program?
why dont you come to a coaching section and find out? (sarcasm intended).
well what coaching section are you talking about? this is a thread about jacob hiller and his program so i definitely would be asking it here since there are no other answers as far as i can find. so if this coaching section has up-to-date information about jump manual then please let me know.

so...is the jump manual recommended now after jacob is proved to have nice vert? or is it still a bad program?

why dont you come to a coaching section and find out? (sarcasm intended).

You can pay me for an honest review. Now obviously if Jacob pays me, I'll give a different review.
yeah i mean there just too many people saying different stuff that i have no idea which is true. Adarq.org is the most truthful place i found and that's why i am asking it here.
Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: Raptor on May 19, 2011, 08:24:21 am
so...is the jump manual recommended now after jacob is proved to have nice vert? or is it still a bad program?
why dont you come to a coaching section and find out? (sarcasm intended).
well what coaching section are you talking about? this is a thread about jacob hiller and his program so i definitely would be asking it here since there are no other answers as far as i can find. so if this coaching section has up-to-date information about jump manual then please let me know.

so...is the jump manual recommended now after jacob is proved to have nice vert? or is it still a bad program?

why dont you come to a coaching section and find out? (sarcasm intended).

You can pay me for an honest review. Now obviously if Jacob pays me, I'll give a different review.
yeah i mean there just too many people saying different stuff that i have no idea which is true. Adarq.org is the most truthful place i found and that's why i am asking it here.

Not anymore. Adarq has learned AE to couple with Jacob and fake his jumps to make profit out of it. I know it!
Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: adarqui on May 20, 2011, 02:06:30 am
so...is the jump manual recommended now after jacob is proved to have nice vert? or is it still a bad program?
why dont you come to a coaching section and find out? (sarcasm intended).
well what coaching section are you talking about? this is a thread about jacob hiller and his program so i definitely would be asking it here since there are no other answers as far as i can find. so if this coaching section has up-to-date information about jump manual then please let me know.

so...is the jump manual recommended now after jacob is proved to have nice vert? or is it still a bad program?

why dont you come to a coaching section and find out? (sarcasm intended).

You can pay me for an honest review. Now obviously if Jacob pays me, I'll give a different review.
yeah i mean there just too many people saying different stuff that i have no idea which is true. Adarq.org is the most truthful place i found and that's why i am asking it here.

i've never looked into jump manual to the extent of analyzing it, but i personally don't back anything that focuses on "leg press" as the primary lower body strengthening exercise... if there are people getting good results with it, then i'd have no problem with them using it until they need something more advanced (& i'm happy for any results they get), ie something that utilizes squatting etc. There arent' really any jump manual JOURNALS anywhere so, it's hard for me to have a valid opinion about the actual programming in it if i havn't looked at it in depth.. from what i remember it seemed like a pretty simple progression using leg press, drop sets, and reactive exercises.. Not sure though, I forget, I don't really look into any vert programs to be honest. I'd like to see journals & daily feedback on it, sort of how people do with VJB workouts etc.

peace
Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: steventar on May 20, 2011, 08:46:37 pm
so...is the jump manual recommended now after jacob is proved to have nice vert? or is it still a bad program?
why dont you come to a coaching section and find out? (sarcasm intended).
well what coaching section are you talking about? this is a thread about jacob hiller and his program so i definitely would be asking it here since there are no other answers as far as i can find. so if this coaching section has up-to-date information about jump manual then please let me know.


Sorry man, I meant "coaching session". I was just imitating jacob always telling people to "come to a coaching session". I'm pretty sure he charges you for said "coaching session". I think its freakin stupid how online trainers charge money for a half hour - 1 hour conversation over the internet. fuckin rip. id rather have phone sex with your wilting grandmother's disturbing voice.
Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: JackW on May 23, 2011, 02:18:53 am

Sorry man, I meant "coaching session". I was just imitating jacob always telling people to "come to a coaching session". I'm pretty sure he charges you for said "coaching session". I think its freakin stupid how online trainers charge money for a half hour - 1 hour conversation over the internet. fuckin rip. id rather have phone sex with your wilting grandmother's disturbing voice.

Hi Steven

I think you are being a bit harsh on Jacob and other online coaches who charge for their time here. If you are offering a service there is no reason why you shouldn't get paid for your time. If I call my lawyer and chat to him for 30 minutes I sure as hell get a bill in the mail. Online coaching is in most cases reasonably priced (Lowery excepted). if you have access to a good coach who is taking the time to help you and isn't charging you a fortune then a small fee is a reasonable thing to do.

Jack
Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: steventar on May 23, 2011, 12:10:20 pm

Sorry man, I meant "coaching session". I was just imitating jacob always telling people to "come to a coaching session". I'm pretty sure he charges you for said "coaching session". I think its freakin stupid how online trainers charge money for a half hour - 1 hour conversation over the internet. fuckin rip. id rather have phone sex with your wilting grandmother's disturbing voice.

Hi Steven

I think you are being a bit harsh on Jacob and other online coaches who charge for their time here. If you are offering a service there is no reason why you shouldn't get paid for your time. If I call my lawyer and chat to him for 30 minutes I sure as hell get a bill in the mail. Online coaching is in most cases reasonably priced (Lowery excepted). if you have access to a good coach who is taking the time to help you and isn't charging you a fortune then a small fee is a reasonable thing to do.

Jack

Well Jack, being a online coach yourself, its no surprise you take this stance. but for example, baggett charges 50 bucks for a 30 minute conversation. that is a bit much lol. I just brought up the "coaching session" thing because it seemed like hiller was pushing that service even though imo, its not the best way to spend your money.
Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: JackW on May 23, 2011, 09:20:57 pm
Hi Steven

As a quick note, I personally don't currently do online consultations or charge for extra coaching, but I understand where Jacob is coming from.

Time is money and I think it is unfair to expect him to take hours out of his busy schedule of holidaying around the world  ;D without compensation. If the people paying their $10 a month are asking plenty of questions and getting the guidance to help them achieve their goals this is perfectly reasonable. If they are just paying the $10 and never asking a single question or attending a call in, well, they are obviously just wasting their money.

Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: Jacob Hiller on May 23, 2011, 10:14:39 pm
Steven... my current billing is $10 / month.. unlimited coaching sessions, which are scheduled at our coaching center, or receive replies within 12 hours for "basic" or tech support questions.

We do everything from analyzing form (jumping and exercise), to program assessment, to Q and A, etc...

People are quite happy with the coaching as it let's everyone get all their questions answered.

I also try and reply to free questions and make videos for people for free but as time is limited I give priority to my customers.

Free stuff is also great...

But I sometimes am a bit sketchy to join free stuff as sometimes the owners / operators aren't in a good position to offer amazing support... so when I'm serious about a software or service I usually look for the bet value and service first, then take a look at the price tag... and make my decisions.

Anyways I totally see your point...

We also give free coaching for the first 30 days to make sure people get started off on the right step and do plenty of program customization in that first 30 days.

If you want to ask me a "free" question we have a section on our blog devoted to it and I basically go down the list and either do video or blog post... for questions asked.

Raptor - Please PM me so we can organize  your "upgraded" / "premium" review.. ;) j/k
Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: Girljordan on May 23, 2011, 11:24:39 pm
It's like listening to a car salesman.
Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: TKXII on May 26, 2011, 12:54:57 pm
I just noticed a bunch of comments on many popular dunks vids, especially TFB related, where the comment says: "type short guy dunks in the youtube search box to see a 5'5'' guy dunkng on 10ft.."

and that was posted only a week ago and if you do that it takes you to some bs about the jump manual
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkfh15rEWGI&feature=related

edit (i just changed my display name, used to be tkxii)
Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: clintzyc24 on August 23, 2011, 09:15:14 am
guys check out these two links:
http://jumpmanual.com/affiliates.html
http://www.jumpmanual.com/affthankyou.html

so jacob has been saying that he didn't like/want those affiliates himself. now guess he really meant affiliates are  :welcome:
 :uhhhfacepalm:

Jacob also said he didn't make those ridiculous claims and have people promoting his stuff everywhere, and he is right. he didn't do those himself, but as you guys can see in the second link, he TAUGHT the affiliates what to do and how to spam. Step by Step.\

obviously Jacob isn't those retards like Maroko sending emails spam the hell out of little kids. But clearly Jacob had his own way of making money. Having those 'instructional' basketball sites posting these promoting links to 'jump manual, increase your vert by 10 inches!!', and making fake reviews on their 'no.1 jump program'. that's smart isn't it? and he doesn't get blamed for this because 'his affiliates did those'. Wonder who taught them what to post and what to say. :uhhhfacepalm:

remember once lance said 'if you stop paying them(the affiliates), they would stop promoting' and Jacob said it's a lot harder than you think. turns out the hard part is actually stop paying them and stop tricking little kids' money.

honestly this shows me enough of what he is full of. maybe there is a story behind this too, :huh: well, tell me about it.  :wowthatwasnutswtf:

i was so close to buying it, but all those positive feedbacks and the fact that EVERY SINGLE SITE was recommending Jump Manual made me skeptical. glad I made a smart decision, not spending $67 on some simple 14 day cycle of workouts.(know this cause one of my friend bought it)

maybe you have seen this and thought it didn't matter. but to me it does. there are 15-year-olds like me who just wanna dunk, and guess what they see the first thing when they type in 'vertical jump' in google?
JUMP MANUAL!!! INCREASE YOUR VERT BY 10 INCHES!!! MONEY BACK GUARANTEED!!!!!

and guess what happens? jacob gets another sale and the affiliates get another 80% or something like that.

derp
Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: vag on September 07, 2011, 09:44:47 am
Not sure if reposted , just found that SquatDr also did the Jump Manual:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8zmubRWCog

Video description :

Quote
http://tinyurl.com/y9oyqtq use The Jump Manual : Vertical Jump Training System -$45com+$7/mo. Vertical Jump Program. High Conversion. Comprehensive How To Jump Higher Guide. Vertical Leap Training And Speed Manual For Athletes. Ebook, Videos, Forum,

Category:
Sports

Tags:
Alan    Barch    Jr    SquatDr    50    inch    vertical    jump    running    leap    hops    5'9    Vertical    Leap    Training    And    peed    Manual    For    Athletes

A scam inside a scam!!!

We need to go deeper...
Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: Raptor on September 07, 2011, 10:40:54 am
I swear everytime I read threads like this I become more aware of how much gullible people are and more anxious of actually scamming them myself. Why not?
Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: TKXII on January 27, 2012, 11:29:59 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lj79tVjvYAs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtMvxa2difY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=neNzJcG-4T8
Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: vag on June 26, 2012, 08:27:19 am
I recieved this comment in one of my youtube videos:

Quote
Hey! thank you for this helpful video. By the way, I hear many people keep on talking about jumping training course called Nobolaron Manual (just google it), but I'm? not sure if it is good. Have you tried Nobolaron Manual? I've heard some incredible things about it and my buddy finally increase his jumping ability by using it, but he refuses to tell me :(

Beatrice Crawford 6 hours ago

I checked it because i found the "Nobolaron" hilarious.

The official page is this: http://nobolaronmanual.com/

In there there is a sort text describing how awesome nobolaron is and there are 3 links to the "nobolaron main page", guess where it redirects... http://jumpmanual.com/

Hurrrr, durrrr, herp, derp!!!

:pissed:
Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: Raptor on June 26, 2012, 09:50:43 am
Sounds like a roid.

I'm in!
Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: Harvey on June 26, 2012, 06:04:18 pm
In the video in the OP, he has fuck all knee flexion when he jumps. Why?
Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: TheSituation on June 26, 2012, 06:41:32 pm
Vertical Explosion
Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: Harvey on June 27, 2012, 12:39:41 am
Vertical Explosion

Would it be better to go deeper?
Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: vag on June 27, 2012, 05:15:15 am
Vertical Explosion

Would it be better to go deeper?

Verticle inchez xplosiv gainz.
Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: Raptor on June 27, 2012, 08:51:39 am
Vertical Explosion

Would it be better to go deeper?

You like it deeper eh? Hey I don't blame you or anything...
Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: Harvey on June 27, 2012, 09:32:16 am
For fuck's sake, it's so hard to get a straight answer around here... :/
Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: Raptor on June 27, 2012, 10:53:35 am
Wait... so you're actually straight?!
Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: TheSituation on June 27, 2012, 02:13:30 pm
For fuck's sake, it's so hard to get a straight answer around here... :/

Your kind isn't wanted here

(http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/164109_166396253403775_166395890070478_310642_1675514_n.jpg)
Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: adarqui on June 28, 2012, 12:46:20 am
For fuck's sake, it's so hard to get a straight answer around here... :/

i have no idea what the video is about, since i can't view it.. but, the depth you sink too before jumping has many variables.. just plain old genetics is one, another is quad dominant vs hip dominant.. quad dominant athletes won't generally need to sink down as deep imo.. hip dominant athletes tend to sink more, getting a bit more activation of glutes/hams. yet another reason is what sport you grow up playing.. in basketball, you usually get accustomed to very small dips in order to try and get rebounds, you don't have the time to get down lower, by then someone has already rebounded the ball.. so that ends up programming alot of us 'basketball-background' athletes.

go find 'wannagetfast's youtube chan, i think it's youtube.com/korfist.. there's a few good examples of near 35-40 (near 40) SVJ's using extremely small dips.. that always stood out to me.

i havnt watched a vert vid in a while, but i'd say baseball/football players tend to sink more than bball'rs for SVJ. correct me if im wrong.

peace
Title: New Derp Manual released...
Post by: Jacob Hiller on May 14, 2014, 10:22:45 am
Been a while... just thought this was relevant.

http://cpeo.org/lists/military/2012/msg00098.html

They released the new Derp Manual, for all the Derp Manual fans...

Below is a linkz to the file.

Looking to trade it in exchange for the new Nobaloron Manual, please PM me if you have it.


From:    Lenny Siegel <lsiegel@cpeo.org>
Date:    Mon, 12 Mar 2012 16:02:17 -0700 (PDT)
Reply:    cpeo-military
Subject:    [CPEO-MEF] CLEANUP: New "DERP Manual" released
 
From:
Maureen Sullivan
Director, Environmental Management
ODUSD(I&E)/EM

I am proud to announce the acting Under Secretary of Defense (AT&L) signed the DoD Manual (DoDM) 4715.20, Defense Environmental Restoration Program (DERP) Management on March 9, 2012.  DoDM 4715.20 (DERP Manual) is a significant update of guidance established in 2001.  The DERP Manual cancels the Management Guidance for the DERP dated September 2001.  In addition to implementing DoD Directive 4715.1E and DoD Instruction 4715.7, the DERP Manual aligns the Department's environmental restoration activities with statutory requirements, increases transparency of cleanup efforts, and provides Installation Commanders greater flexibility and authority to consider mission requirements when sequencing cleanup work.

The manual is available on line at:
http://www.dtic.mil/whs/directives/corres/pdf/471520m.pdf
Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: LBSS on May 14, 2014, 11:55:43 am
HERPA DERP DERP DERP!

 :derp:
Title: Re: New Derp Manual released...
Post by: adarqui on May 20, 2014, 02:45:26 pm
Been a while... just thought this was relevant.

http://cpeo.org/lists/military/2012/msg00098.html

They released the new Derp Manual, for all the Derp Manual fans...

Below is a linkz to the file.

Looking to trade it in exchange for the new Nobaloron Manual, please PM me if you have it.


From:    Lenny Siegel <lsiegel@cpeo.org>
Date:    Mon, 12 Mar 2012 16:02:17 -0700 (PDT)
Reply:    cpeo-military
Subject:    [CPEO-MEF] CLEANUP: New "DERP Manual" released
 
From:
Maureen Sullivan
Director, Environmental Management
ODUSD(I&E)/EM

I am proud to announce the acting Under Secretary of Defense (AT&L) signed the DoD Manual (DoDM) 4715.20, Defense Environmental Restoration Program (DERP) Management on March 9, 2012.  DoDM 4715.20 (DERP Manual) is a significant update of guidance established in 2001.  The DERP Manual cancels the Management Guidance for the DERP dated September 2001.  In addition to implementing DoD Directive 4715.1E and DoD Instruction 4715.7, the DERP Manual aligns the Department's environmental restoration activities with statutory requirements, increases transparency of cleanup efforts, and provides Installation Commanders greater flexibility and authority to consider mission requirements when sequencing cleanup work.

The manual is available on line at:
http://www.dtic.mil/whs/directives/corres/pdf/471520m.pdf

hahaha.. gr8 find.. which raises the question, how find? ;f

 :derp:
Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: Jacob Hiller on May 20, 2014, 05:49:14 pm
Was looking for this post... googled up some "derp manual"...

Wonder if any of the real derp manual fans have found this forum hehe.
Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: scoobychau on July 02, 2015, 05:50:08 am
Jacob...
ur forum... or website... for the Paid user.

Is...all restricted... people can not post comment or ask question... with out the admin review and approve each post..
and Not Date stamp is available.

so u can not tell if the forum is LONG dead for years or still active...
(pretty sure is dead... )

on the site note, Jacob replies keep asking his user to add him on fb or send him message on fb....

yet, mr J here never reply or respond....after message is read.

I mean.. it is ok to move on to something new in life... and stop ur jump training business...
the least u can do is respond in a polite manner...


Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: Raptor on March 08, 2016, 09:56:24 pm
On another note who thinks Jacob Hiller looks like a bizarro prince William lol.

I re-read through this thread and thought "damn... he kinda looks like prince William"
Title: Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
Post by: adarqui on March 09, 2016, 01:27:01 am
On another note who thinks Jacob Hiller looks like a bizarro prince William lol.

I re-read through this thread and thought "damn... he kinda looks like prince William"

lmfao. he does.