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Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
« Reply #105 on: April 30, 2011, 10:08:33 pm »
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been following this thread and even commented on the program a few pages back, a good beginner program in my opinion but complex training is nothing new but after the pack mentality around here i can't wait to see what the reaction is if this vid is posted and is legit as adarq has claimed

credit to jacob for backing his program for mine

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Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
« Reply #106 on: April 30, 2011, 10:56:29 pm »
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I brought up, months ago, that I saw Jacob's two handed tomahawk dunk at a coaching session and I was basically told that I was lying about I was seeing.   That, if he had the vertical he'd show it.  It makes sense to question squatflex but I think it is a conspiracy theory claiming that he didn't ruin his powerbeats, can't jump, and can't view images...

Lack of evidence does not prove nonexistence. 

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Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
« Reply #107 on: April 30, 2011, 11:48:25 pm »
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Wow... internet is killin me here...

I'm now reduced to dial up... we'll see how long it take to upload to youtube!!

Ethiopian internet is astounding... Govenrment owned... one company... when it goes down the entire country goes down (internet that is...)

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Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
« Reply #108 on: May 01, 2011, 12:05:41 am »
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Wow... internet is killin me here...

I'm now reduced to dial up... we'll see how long it take to upload to youtube!!

Ethiopian internet is astounding... Govenrment owned... one company... when it goes down the entire country goes down (internet that is...)

Your internet did not go down, you are just afraid to show your vert.  CALLED OUT

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Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
« Reply #109 on: May 01, 2011, 12:22:09 am »
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On another note who thinks Jacob Hiller looks like a bizarro prince William lol.
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Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
« Reply #110 on: May 01, 2011, 02:12:28 am »
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On another note who thinks Jacob Hiller looks like a bizarro prince William lol.

those jokes have been made in the hole on a few occasions lmao.





I brought up, months ago, that I saw Jacob's two handed tomahawk dunk at a coaching session and I was basically told that I was lying about I was seeing.   That, if he had the vertical he'd show it.  It makes sense to question squatflex but I think it is a conspiracy theory claiming that he didn't ruin his powerbeats, can't jump, and can't view images...

Lack of evidence does not prove nonexistence. 

cool you brought it up cool.. 6'4 guy doing tomohawk story cool.. point is, none of us saw it, could have been low hoop, low jump, whatever.. this forum is about being real and slaughtering the fake, so no one here is going to trust your word on it no matter how credible it is, could have been so many factors that would have made what you saw look better than it was.. but now i saw a high jump so i don't question his dunking ability/jumping ability anymore.

that's what proof does, that's what evidence does.

describing something via text in this day and age doesn't cut it, HD camcorders are < $100, phones have cams, everything can easily be video taped and uploaded to a video hosting site within minutes.

people might have said you were lying about what you saw, which could easily have been the case.. but more likely, back then, people thought you might have been "fooled" with low rim footage etc.. if someone doesn't believe what you are telling them, it doesn't automatically mean they think you are a liar etc.







Wow... internet is killin me here...

I'm now reduced to dial up... we'll see how long it take to upload to youtube!!

Ethiopian internet is astounding... Govenrment owned... one company... when it goes down the entire country goes down (internet that is...)

lmao dialup, sucks.

it was like 3KB/s transfer on skype.

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Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
« Reply #111 on: May 01, 2011, 02:48:03 am »
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jump manual is trash, he's always saying "Vertical explozion", he believes leg press is more effective than squat, he promotes squatflex, he thinks lower back is the most important "prime mover" in vertical jumping, he lies about his vert, he's made millions of dollars doing it, he leads everyone astray, he claims jump manual is how he got to 45" vert but he can't even use his own manual to get him back to 45" vert which makes no sense, he posts pictures of him ripping rims off backboards instead of videos, he claims his elbow to fingertip is 13 inches yet he has long arms for deadlifting, he claims his reach is t-rex level but he's got long arms for deadlifting, he got raped on adarq.org and ducked everyone's questions - instead replying with unrelated damage control answers, he's teamed up with maroko & company, he used brandon todd as a testimonial for jump manual but we all know brandon todd didn't use that shitty ass manual, he's good at photoshop.

discuss.


Yeah man, I can see if someone might think I might have been fooled or want to see the tape themselves, etc.  But to just haphazardly conclude he's a liar (see bolded quote) based on the circumstances is unfair.  Evidence does clear stuff up, but just because he didn't' show you evidence before doesn't mean he wasn't being truthful.  This whole deal was beginning to remind me of Barack Obama's birth certificate.

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Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
« Reply #112 on: May 01, 2011, 02:57:26 am »
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jump manual is trash, he's always saying "Vertical explozion", he believes leg press is more effective than squat, he promotes squatflex, he thinks lower back is the most important "prime mover" in vertical jumping, he lies about his vert, he's made millions of dollars doing it, he leads everyone astray, he claims jump manual is how he got to 45" vert but he can't even use his own manual to get him back to 45" vert which makes no sense, he posts pictures of him ripping rims off backboards instead of videos, he claims his elbow to fingertip is 13 inches yet he has long arms for deadlifting, he claims his reach is t-rex level but he's got long arms for deadlifting, he got raped on adarq.org and ducked everyone's questions - instead replying with unrelated damage control answers, he's teamed up with maroko & company, he used brandon todd as a testimonial for jump manual but we all know brandon todd didn't use that shitty ass manual, he's good at photoshop.

discuss.


Yeah man, I can see if someone might think I might have been fooled or want to see the tape themselves, etc.  But to just haphazardly conclude he's a liar (see bolded quote) based on the circumstances is unfair.  Evidence does clear stuff up, but just because he didn't' show you evidence before doesn't mean he wasn't being truthful.  This whole deal was beginning to remind me of Barack Obama's birth certificate.

it reminds you of obama's birth certificate how? where was the proof prior to today? there was no "official record" of hiller's vert other than his high school track & field stats, and that was triple jump/high jump etc.. Nothing he has ever posted publicly to the masses has ever indicated to anyone that he could jump 44" off 3 steps, ever.. until now.. which is far different than the obama issue because he provided PROOF from the state of hawaii in 2009, and only just recently provided the ACTUAL birth certificate, something the state will never give anyone after they have lost it.. they will never GIVE YOU AN ORIGINAL.. but obama provided the masses with official proof, that has been authenticated by doctors and government officials, news paper articles etc.

VERY FUCKING DIFFERENT THAN THIS SITUATION.

i can shut you down all day if you want, bottom line, he claimed big numbers and didn't provide video footage to the masses, and still hasn't, but once that video is provided, people won't have much of an issue with his vert claims..

i like how you use "haphazardly".. what else should I say about his vert? he was telling people the same story back in 2008 as he was just telling everyone on this forum up until a few days ago..

you want me to give someone the benefit of the doubt? in the vert industry?

have you lost your mind?

nothing about "his vert is a lie" is to be considered a haphazard comment... you don't get years and years to prove yourself as an athlete.. you make a claim, you back it up.. if after 4 years you still havn't posted proof to the masses, then your numbers are definitely considered a lie until proven otherwise.. which then brings us back to this situation.

eagerly awaiting your next reply which will be easily dominated.

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Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
« Reply #113 on: May 01, 2011, 03:05:10 am »
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jump manual is trash, he's always saying "Vertical explozion", he believes leg press is more effective than squat, he promotes squatflex, he thinks lower back is the most important "prime mover" in vertical jumping, he lies about his vert, he's made millions of dollars doing it, he leads everyone astray, he claims jump manual is how he got to 45" vert but he can't even use his own manual to get him back to 45" vert which makes no sense, he posts pictures of him ripping rims off backboards instead of videos, he claims his elbow to fingertip is 13 inches yet he has long arms for deadlifting, he claims his reach is t-rex level but he's got long arms for deadlifting, he got raped on adarq.org and ducked everyone's questions - instead replying with unrelated damage control answers, he's teamed up with maroko & company, he used brandon todd as a testimonial for jump manual but we all know brandon todd didn't use that shitty ass manual, he's good at photoshop.

discuss.


Yeah man, I can see if someone might think I might have been fooled or want to see the tape themselves, etc.  But to just haphazardly conclude he's a liar (see bolded quote) based on the circumstances is unfair.  Evidence does clear stuff up, but just because he didn't' show you evidence before doesn't mean he wasn't being truthful.  This whole deal was beginning to remind me of Barack Obama's birth certificate.

it reminds you of obama's birth certificate how? where was the proof prior to today? there was no "official record" of hiller's vert other than his high school track & field stats, and that was triple jump/high jump etc.. Nothing he has ever posted publicly to the masses has ever indicated to anyone that he could jump 44" off 3 steps, ever.. until now.. which is far different than the obama issue because he provided PROOF from the state of hawaii in 2009, and only just recently provided the ACTUAL birth certificate, something the state will never give anyone after they have lost it.. they will never GIVE YOU AN ORIGINAL.. but obama provided the masses with official proof, that has been authenticated by doctors and government officials, news paper articles etc.

VERY FUCKING DIFFERENT THAN THIS SITUATION.

i can shut you down all day if you want, bottom line, he claimed big numbers and didn't provide video footage to the masses, and still hasn't, but once that video is provided, people won't have much of an issue with his vert claims..

i like how you use "haphazardly".. what else should I say about his vert? he was telling people the same story back in 2008 as he was just telling everyone on this forum up until a few days ago..

you want me to give someone the benefit of the doubt? in the vert industry?

have you lost your mind?

nothing about "his vert is a lie" is to be considered a haphazard comment... you don't get years and years to prove yourself as an athlete.. you make a claim, you back it up.. if after 4 years you still havn't posted proof to the masses, then your numbers are definitely considered a lie until proven otherwise.. which then brings us back to this situation.

eagerly awaiting your next reply which will be easily dominated.

peace


Hey, I didn't think you would get all pissed off about this.  As far as the Obama comment goes, it REMINDS me of that situation, although it is not the same, and is distinguishable in many ways like you said.

I guess my only other argument would be that you said he lied about his vert and he didn't lie about it.

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Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
« Reply #114 on: May 01, 2011, 03:13:51 am »
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Also, we are just talking about presumptions here.  You are saying you assume a vertical to be false until proven otherwise.  I am saying not to presume one way or the other.  I was just kind of disagreeing with you a little bit from straight up calling him a liar based on your own presumption that you feel is somehow a universal standard.  What I am saying is I do not share your presumption. 

Just because you have a certain presumption doesn't make you right and certainly in this particular situation it doesn't make you accurate as he didn't lie, that's all I'm trying to say.

I personally think calling someone a liar when they are not actually a liar, and have not been caught in a lie, is kind of a big deal but maybe you don't think so.   Maybe you can disagree with our difference of opinion and claim you dominated me.
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Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
« Reply #115 on: May 01, 2011, 03:58:21 am »
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Also, we are just talking about presumptions here.  You are saying you assume a vertical to be false until proven otherwise.  I am saying not to presume one way or the other.  I was just kind of disagreeing with you a little bit from straight up calling him a liar based on your own presumption that you feel is somehow a universal standard.  What I am saying is I do not share your presumption. 

Just because you have a certain presumption doesn't make you right and certainly in this particular situation it doesn't make you accurate as he didn't lie, that's all I'm trying to say.

I personally think calling someone a liar when they are not actually a liar, and have not been caught in a lie, is kind of a big deal but maybe you don't think so.   Maybe you can disagree with our difference of opinion and claim you dominated me.

how do you know that wasn't the first time he jumped 40+, recently? etc?

you are making a presumption now, that he has jumped as high as he does currently compared to 4 years ago..

everything we are talking about is presumptions.. you are presuming he jumped 44 4+ years ago, i was completely presuming he never jumped that high and now have changed my stance and am open to the possibility of him having jumped that high years ago.. etc

all we are doing is talking about presumptions until video proof is displayed to the masses.. what you saw may have been 35" RVJ, which would allow for some nasty dunks at 6'4.. it could also have been 40, who knows, the bottom line is that the masses didn't see it, so the masses are left to their presumptions..

when i said he was lying about his vert, i believed it and meant it.. all i know now is that he is jumping pretty damn high, i can now presume he jumped high years ago, but who actually knows, that time has passed etc.. but no one will care anymore, that's the power of proving yourself.

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Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
« Reply #116 on: May 01, 2011, 04:13:45 am »
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Also, we are just talking about presumptions here.  You are saying you assume a vertical to be false until proven otherwise.  I am saying not to presume one way or the other.  I was just kind of disagreeing with you a little bit from straight up calling him a liar based on your own presumption that you feel is somehow a universal standard.  What I am saying is I do not share your presumption. 

Just because you have a certain presumption doesn't make you right and certainly in this particular situation it doesn't make you accurate as he didn't lie, that's all I'm trying to say.

I personally think calling someone a liar when they are not actually a liar, and have not been caught in a lie, is kind of a big deal but maybe you don't think so.   Maybe you can disagree with our difference of opinion and claim you dominated me.

how do you know that wasn't the first time he jumped 40+, recently? etc?

you are making a presumption now, that he has jumped as high as he does currently compared to 4 years ago..

everything we are talking about is presumptions.. you are presuming he jumped 44 4+ years ago, i was completely presuming he never jumped that high and now have changed my stance and am open to the possibility of him having jumped that high years ago.. etc

all we are doing is talking about presumptions until video proof is displayed to the masses.. what you saw may have been 35" RVJ, which would allow for some nasty dunks at 6'4.. it could also have been 40, who knows, the bottom line is that the masses didn't see it, so the masses are left to their presumptions..

when i said he was lying about his vert, i believed it and meant it.. all i know now is that he is jumping pretty damn high, i can now presume he jumped high years ago, but who actually knows, that time has passed etc.. but no one will care anymore, that's the power of proving yourself.

presumptions.


How do I know that he jumped 40+ only recently or that he is even jumping 40+ now?  I don't.  I never even said he jumped 40+ or his 44" claim.  What I was originally responding to, months ago, was to some claim that he couldn't dunk at all because the call out degraded from talking about squatflex (which should definitely be questioned) to talking about how he can't even dunk (at all).  Again, as I said before, I make no presumption one way or the other.  I was saying what I personally saw some guy fucking smash a ball, and even if that rim was low that was still good for a dunk on any 10' rim.  I still say, now even, that it would be unfair to call him a liar to say that he isn't jumping 40+ or whatever unless he is shown to be unable to do it.  I am guessing you believe him on his CURRENT (not past) vert claims now or at least he doesn't completely suck?  I am not clear on that.

What I am trying to say is, and what I continue to say, is that I think it is bold thing to straight up call someone a liar.  I mean, Lance emailed me once that he was jumping 40+ in college.  Do I say, hey show me a video, you liar?

Maybe I trust people more than you do, but my personal opinion is to not actually call someone a liar unless they are lying (I have proof of a lie), not because I believe them to be lying. 

I don't mean to keep editing this, but yeah you are right we are just talking about different presumptions.

I'm sorry if I pissed you off man, I am just appreciative to Jacob and Lance because without them the only thing I would be dunking is donuts, so someone calling them a liar kind of makes me feel like I should say something though I am probably better off just keeping my mouth shut.
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Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
« Reply #117 on: May 01, 2011, 04:32:39 am »
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Also, we are just talking about presumptions here.  You are saying you assume a vertical to be false until proven otherwise.  I am saying not to presume one way or the other.  I was just kind of disagreeing with you a little bit from straight up calling him a liar based on your own presumption that you feel is somehow a universal standard.  What I am saying is I do not share your presumption. 

Just because you have a certain presumption doesn't make you right and certainly in this particular situation it doesn't make you accurate as he didn't lie, that's all I'm trying to say.

I personally think calling someone a liar when they are not actually a liar, and have not been caught in a lie, is kind of a big deal but maybe you don't think so.   Maybe you can disagree with our difference of opinion and claim you dominated me.

how do you know that wasn't the first time he jumped 40+, recently? etc?

you are making a presumption now, that he has jumped as high as he does currently compared to 4 years ago..

everything we are talking about is presumptions.. you are presuming he jumped 44 4+ years ago, i was completely presuming he never jumped that high and now have changed my stance and am open to the possibility of him having jumped that high years ago.. etc

all we are doing is talking about presumptions until video proof is displayed to the masses.. what you saw may have been 35" RVJ, which would allow for some nasty dunks at 6'4.. it could also have been 40, who knows, the bottom line is that the masses didn't see it, so the masses are left to their presumptions..

when i said he was lying about his vert, i believed it and meant it.. all i know now is that he is jumping pretty damn high, i can now presume he jumped high years ago, but who actually knows, that time has passed etc.. but no one will care anymore, that's the power of proving yourself.

presumptions.


How do I know that he jumped 40+ only recently or that he is even jumping 40+ now?  I don't.  I never even said he jumped 40+ or his 44" claim.  What I was originally responding to, months ago, was to some claim that he couldn't dunk at all because the call out degraded from talking about squatflex (which should definitely be questioned) to talking about how he can't even dunk (at all).  Again, as I said before, I make no presumption one way or the other.  I was saying what I personally saw some guy fucking smash a ball, and even if that rim was low that was still good for a dunk on any 10' rim.  I still say, now even, that it would be unfair to call him a liar to say that he isn't jumping 40+ or whatever unless he is shown to be unable to do it.  I am guessing you believe him on his CURRENT (not past) vert claims now or at least he doesn't completely suck?  I am not clear on that.

What I am trying to say is, and what I continue to say, is that I think it is bold thing to straight up call someone a liar.  I mean, Lance emailed me once that he was jumping 40+ in college.  Do I say, hey show me a video, you liar?

Maybe I trust people more than you do, but my personal opinion is to not actually call someone a liar unless they are lying (I have proof of a lie), not because I believe them to be lying. 

I don't mean to keep editing this, but yeah you are right we are just talking about different presumptions.

I'm sorry if I pissed you off man, I am just appreciative to Jacob and Lance because without them the only thing I would be dunking is donuts, so someone calling them a liar kind of makes me feel like I should say something though I am probably better off just keeping my mouth shut.


I am assuming you are talking about one of your questions to me in a pm about my vertical jump when i played in college, I dont recall you ever emailing me and dont make it sound like I go around emailing random people bragging about what my vertical jump used to be.  We have strength coaches in college that test vertical jumps, if someone asks me a question about that I have no problem telling them what it was.     
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Re: jacob hiller jump manual aka the derp manual
« Reply #118 on: May 01, 2011, 04:34:32 am »
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Also, we are just talking about presumptions here.  You are saying you assume a vertical to be false until proven otherwise.  I am saying not to presume one way or the other.  I was just kind of disagreeing with you a little bit from straight up calling him a liar based on your own presumption that you feel is somehow a universal standard.  What I am saying is I do not share your presumption.  

Just because you have a certain presumption doesn't make you right and certainly in this particular situation it doesn't make you accurate as he didn't lie, that's all I'm trying to say.

I personally think calling someone a liar when they are not actually a liar, and have not been caught in a lie, is kind of a big deal but maybe you don't think so.   Maybe you can disagree with our difference of opinion and claim you dominated me.

how do you know that wasn't the first time he jumped 40+, recently? etc?

you are making a presumption now, that he has jumped as high as he does currently compared to 4 years ago..

everything we are talking about is presumptions.. you are presuming he jumped 44 4+ years ago, i was completely presuming he never jumped that high and now have changed my stance and am open to the possibility of him having jumped that high years ago.. etc

all we are doing is talking about presumptions until video proof is displayed to the masses.. what you saw may have been 35" RVJ, which would allow for some nasty dunks at 6'4.. it could also have been 40, who knows, the bottom line is that the masses didn't see it, so the masses are left to their presumptions..

when i said he was lying about his vert, i believed it and meant it.. all i know now is that he is jumping pretty damn high, i can now presume he jumped high years ago, but who actually knows, that time has passed etc.. but no one will care anymore, that's the power of proving yourself.

presumptions.


How do I know that he jumped 40+ only recently or that he is even jumping 40+ now?  I don't.  I never even said he jumped 40+ or his 44" claim.  What I was originally responding to, months ago, was to some claim that he couldn't dunk at all because the call out degraded from talking about squatflex (which should definitely be questioned) to talking about how he can't even dunk (at all).  Again, as I said before, I make no presumption one way or the other.  I was saying what I personally saw some guy fucking smash a ball, and even if that rim was low that was still good for a dunk on any 10' rim.  I still say, now even, that it would be unfair to call him a liar to say that he isn't jumping 40+ or whatever unless he is shown to be unable to do it.  I am guessing you believe him on his CURRENT (not past) vert claims now or at least he doesn't completely suck?  I am not clear on that.

What I am trying to say is, and what I continue to say, is that I think it is bold thing to straight up call someone a liar.  I mean, Lance emailed me once that he was jumping 40+ in college. Do I say, hey show me a video, you liar?

Maybe I trust people more than you do, but my personal opinion is to not actually call someone a liar unless they are lying (I have proof of a lie), not because I believe them to be lying.  

I don't mean to keep editing this, but yeah you are right we are just talking about different presumptions.

I'm sorry if I pissed you off man, I am just appreciative to Jacob and Lance because without them the only thing I would be dunking is donuts, so someone calling them a liar kind of makes me feel like I should say something though I am probably better off just keeping my mouth shut.


im loln hard at that bolded part, u realize i was being nice by answering your questions, i dont sell programs online, I FUCKING TRAIN PEOPLE IN PERSON.  If you asked me "what could you jump" or whatever you said and I told you, and you called me a "liar" do you honestly think I would give a flying fuck what you thought or if you believed me? You seriously think I would go to the trouble to "prove" anything to you? I DONT GIVE A FUCK about this "what can u jump, can i see it" etc.  I never said shit about jacob and his jumping either, so i dont get the relevance of that.  the issue with him is promoting the scammy shit like squatflex,   rofl.  
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« Reply #119 on: May 01, 2011, 04:43:31 am »
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Also, we are just talking about presumptions here.  You are saying you assume a vertical to be false until proven otherwise.  I am saying not to presume one way or the other.  I was just kind of disagreeing with you a little bit from straight up calling him a liar based on your own presumption that you feel is somehow a universal standard.  What I am saying is I do not share your presumption.  

Just because you have a certain presumption doesn't make you right and certainly in this particular situation it doesn't make you accurate as he didn't lie, that's all I'm trying to say.

I personally think calling someone a liar when they are not actually a liar, and have not been caught in a lie, is kind of a big deal but maybe you don't think so.   Maybe you can disagree with our difference of opinion and claim you dominated me.

how do you know that wasn't the first time he jumped 40+, recently? etc?

you are making a presumption now, that he has jumped as high as he does currently compared to 4 years ago..

everything we are talking about is presumptions.. you are presuming he jumped 44 4+ years ago, i was completely presuming he never jumped that high and now have changed my stance and am open to the possibility of him having jumped that high years ago.. etc

all we are doing is talking about presumptions until video proof is displayed to the masses.. what you saw may have been 35" RVJ, which would allow for some nasty dunks at 6'4.. it could also have been 40, who knows, the bottom line is that the masses didn't see it, so the masses are left to their presumptions..

when i said he was lying about his vert, i believed it and meant it.. all i know now is that he is jumping pretty damn high, i can now presume he jumped high years ago, but who actually knows, that time has passed etc.. but no one will care anymore, that's the power of proving yourself.

presumptions.


How do I know that he jumped 40+ only recently or that he is even jumping 40+ now?  I don't.  I never even said he jumped 40+ or his 44" claim.  What I was originally responding to, months ago, was to some claim that he couldn't dunk at all because the call out degraded from talking about squatflex (which should definitely be questioned) to talking about how he can't even dunk (at all).  Again, as I said before, I make no presumption one way or the other.  I was saying what I personally saw some guy fucking smash a ball, and even if that rim was low that was still good for a dunk on any 10' rim.  I still say, now even, that it would be unfair to call him a liar to say that he isn't jumping 40+ or whatever unless he is shown to be unable to do it.

well i wasn't one to say he couldn't dunk.. he's 6'4 and looks fairly athletic, i said he most undoubtedly could dunk, i remember for certain that i never doubted the fact that he could dunk, i doubted his claim of elbow on rim and 44"...

we can go on and on forever, but it comes down to this: innocent until proven guilty, or guilty until proven innocent.. we both seem to actually support innocent until proven guilty, but i'm using the fact that footage didn't exist 4 years ago (or in his prime) and still hasn't existed until recently, so until recently, he was guilty of not backing up his claims. Given such a long time span between claims made and lack of footage, that leads myself & others to believe someone is full of shit, aka a liar..



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What I am trying to say is, and what I continue to say, is that I think it is bold thing to straight up call someone a liar.  I mean, Lance emailed me once that he was jumping 40+ in college.  Do I say, hey show me a video, you liar?

edit: lance replied it better than me, so ill leave my dumb response out.




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Maybe I trust people more than you do, but my personal opinion is to not actually call someone a liar unless they are lying (I have proof of a lie), not because I believe them to be lying.  

i call people liars, they either disappear/ignore like bitch ass liars or they man up and get an apology from me.. that's how i have evolved.. if someone is claiming 50" standing vert and only has still pics in front of a rim with a vertec on the side, you better believe i'm going to call them a liar.. it's their job to prove to everyone that they are legit.. if someone is claiming a 30" vert with a vertec on the side, i don't really give a shit.. it's when people encroach on the "elite level athletic bracket" without proof, that i begin to have a problem.. this industry is full of liars, more so than most any industry.. i call them liars first (if from their history they show signs of being shady and obviously have not provided any proof), then I wait for them to prove themselves.. so far nobody has ever manned up and provided video, that i have called out, except for hiller.. everyone else ducks/ignores and probably prays one day they will be able to do what they claim, but until then, if they cannot prove their claims, they are lying, no other way around it.

if a tree falls in a forrest and no one is around to hear it, did it make a sound??!?!?!

oh brb just jumped 50", i have a few witnesses.. don't call me a liar, i'll show you a video of me jumping 50" in 2 years, then that'll prove i jumped 50" 2 years prior..





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I'm sorry if I pissed you off man, I am just appreciative to Jacob and Lance because without them the only thing I would be dunking is donuts, so someone calling them a liar kind of makes me feel like I should say something though I am probably better off just keeping my mouth shut.


dude you didn't piss me off at all, it's just how i respond, it's a little "go at you" style but that's just me i let the typing flow and don't really think much about filtering what i'm saying.. it all just comes out, and that's it.

i am glad that you didn't keep your mouth shut regarding your concerns.. it would be far worse for me to call people out, get proved wrong on an issue, get offended by people getting on my case about it, and then never apologize/take the heat from it.. it's more respectable that you have voiced your opinion than have held everything in.

so in the end, me calling him a liar has no verdict.. we know now he can jump high, from a video i saw and hopefully everyone else will see.. but we also cannot justify his claims of years past based on a video that happened so far apart.. but the one thing hiller did say which is important to make note of, is something along these lines "I don't even care about 44 anymore, I want to get higher than that", something like that.. that's what it's all about, so fuck living in the past, fuck not having video of his 3 step 44 yeaaaars ago, all of that is over with.. what is important is the future.. once he starts posting footage he will realize he should have done so much sooner, and he will probably end up becoming a footage posting addict..

if he decided to never promote squatflex again, boy would the tides have changed.. home-depot-flex > squatflex.

jumpusa = scammers.

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