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Re: Jay Schroeder
« Reply #45 on: March 15, 2010, 02:17:49 pm »
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Damn , why wasnt this topic opened as a poll?
Im sure we would have an amazing number of "Yes" in the scammer question!!!
I would do an extreme 5' iso hold on the mouse button clicking yes , hahahaha :D

ya AlexV didn't follow directions!

forfuxsake.

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Re: Jay Schroeder
« Reply #46 on: March 15, 2010, 02:22:25 pm »
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You know whats even funnier is watching some of the Schroeder nuthuggers talk theory and application of Iso EXTREMEZZ and other Schroeder methods.  Every so often I log on to the WGF forum and read thru the recent posts just for some entertainment.  Every other bro over there is utterly convinced Schroeder is some type of high tech sports scientist implanted from an advanced civilization 40 million years ahead of ours. For over 2 years now they've been going back and forth over schroeder.  Not a single person from the forum has had anything in the way of tangible results yet, not a single one of them has had any sorta positive or informative dialogue with Schroeder, but they keep making excuses.  At first it was, "you gotta get to 5 minutes bro."  After multiple people got to 5 minutes without anythign cutting edgehappening they started making up new excuses.  Last I checked the new advice was,  "Don't worry about time just pull down maximally."   They actually believe iso extremez are maximal, high velocity training methods.   

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Re: Jay Schroeder
« Reply #47 on: March 15, 2010, 02:27:43 pm »
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this thread is such an epic win. Adarqui you are the man.

No credit to the man who set the table for him.  I knew If i put JS out here Adarqui would take it to the ultimate level.  It was like throwing Barry Bonds an 85mph fastball right down the middle
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Re: Jay Schroeder
« Reply #48 on: March 15, 2010, 02:45:24 pm »
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Please post this thread on wgf and then link us the results.

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Re: Jay Schroeder
« Reply #49 on: March 15, 2010, 06:22:24 pm »
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this thread is such an epic win. Adarqui you are the man.

No credit to the man who set the table for him.  

Nonono. I thank you very much for starting this thread. I was salivating like a pitbull at the thought of ripping into the Schroeder b.s. But I didn't want to start it :)



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I knew If i put JS out here Adarqui would take it to the ultimate level.  It was like throwing Barry Bonds an 85mph fastball right down the middle

haha

It will get taken to the next level when disgruntled former iso extreme cult members post their results.

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Re: Jay Schroeder
« Reply #50 on: March 15, 2010, 06:29:16 pm »
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You know whats even funnier is watching some of the Schroeder nuthuggers talk theory and application of Iso EXTREMEZZ and other Schroeder methods.  Every so often I log on to the WGF forum and read thru the recent posts just for some entertainment.  Every other bro over there is utterly convinced Schroeder is some type of high tech sports scientist implanted from an advanced civilization 40 million years ahead of ours. For over 2 years now they've been going back and forth over schroeder.  Not a single person from the forum has had anything in the way of tangible results yet, not a single one of them has had any sorta positive or informative dialogue with Schroeder, but they keep making excuses.  At first it was, "you gotta get to 5 minutes bro."  After multiple people got to 5 minutes without anythign cutting edgehappening they started making up new excuses.  Last I checked the new advice was,  "Don't worry about time just pull down maximally."   They actually believe iso extremez are maximal, high velocity training methods.  

"Every other bro over there is utterly convinced Schroeder is some type of high tech sports scientist implanted from an advanced civilization 40 million years ahead of ours."

hahah^^^^

People get sucked into the trap. Hearing the interviews, learning about schroeder, learning about Archuletta, somehow not disassociating fact from fiction, it all leads to this cult-like spoonbending mentality as brucelee pointed out.

iso extremes = spoon bending.

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Re: Jay Schroeder
« Reply #51 on: March 15, 2010, 06:34:26 pm »
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Please post this thread on wgf and then link us the results.

the 70+ page thread everyone talks about:

http://wgfforum.llsint.com/Forums/showthread.php?t=62

there are tons more threads on the subject.




In all fairness, here's someone who seems to have gotten results from iso ExtREMEMSZMZ:

http://wgfforum.llsint.com/Forums/showthread.php?t=632

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Re: Jay Schroeder
« Reply #52 on: March 16, 2010, 07:14:19 pm »
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So I got this response from Robert Stock, former catcher from USC who was drafted last year and is now playing minor league ball. I have tremendous respect for him and his father (both the guy's sons threw mid 90s in high school and in Rob's case by the time he was 14 without being physical specimens)

His father claimed the extreme iso pushup to be very helpful for Rob's throwing. Still trying to get in contact with him. But here's what Rob had to say to me

"Hey Ben, the reason that someone wouldn't be given the ISO program is because Jay or Charles didn't believe they would follow it properly. There's a difference between holding yourself there for 5 minutes and actually doing the exercise for 5 minutes. The ISO's are poorly named because they're really not isometric. The whole time you are doing them you are trying to work in the same direction as gravity to pull/push yourself lower. Also, you must maintain proper position. Without personal instruction and observation, I can be almost certain that the person would not be doing it correctly. And if you can't do it for 5 minutes straight? No problem, but if you fail at 2 minutes then you'd better go IMMEDIATELY back into position. No time to wipe sweat from your brow, take a breath, or anything. You keep on going at 100% until you've gone for 5 minutes time. The reason, as it was put to me, was that giving yourself even 3 seconds rest will alter the energy system you are using, and that is counter-productive to the results that Jay is trying to elicit. If you can truly work at 100% for 5 minutes, then the results are unbelievable. But if you do the work sub-maximally then the results will not be as prescribed. This was explained to me as follows: The body always wants to preserve itself and maintain homeostasis. Unless you truly give 100% your body wants to save all its recovery mechanisms (hormones, nutrients, etc..) for when they are actually needed.

I had been doing the same workout every day for 2 weeks, which included all the ISO's. Every day I woke up very stiff and sore, but was able to work hard. However, one day when Charles Maka (he runs the program in AZ) lined me and 2 other players up for a wall squat and had us do it truly correct. When we finished we were gasping for air, trembling, feeling like puking, and on the verge of passing out. The next day when I woke up, I had literally NO SORENESS.

So the reasons why Jay would not prescribe the ISO's to someone is because he can be confident that they won't do them correctly. And when they don't achieve any results they will complain about the workout and the system. Therefore, Jay gives them a workout he believes they will be able to execute and achieve results...just not the best results they could be getting."




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Re: Jay Schroeder
« Reply #53 on: March 16, 2010, 07:29:30 pm »
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So I got this response from Robert Stock, former catcher from USC who was drafted last year and is now playing minor league ball. I have tremendous respect for him and his father (both the guy's sons threw mid 90s in high school and in Rob's case by the time he was 14 without being physical specimens)

His father claimed the extreme iso pushup to be very helpful for Rob's throwing. Still trying to get in contact with him. But here's what Rob had to say to me

"Hey Ben, the reason that someone wouldn't be given the ISO program is because Jay or Charles didn't believe they would follow it properly. There's a difference between holding yourself there for 5 minutes and actually doing the exercise for 5 minutes. The ISO's are poorly named because they're really not isometric. The whole time you are doing them you are trying to work in the same direction as gravity to pull/push yourself lower. Also, you must maintain proper position. Without personal instruction and observation, I can be almost certain that the person would not be doing it correctly. And if you can't do it for 5 minutes straight? No problem, but if you fail at 2 minutes then you'd better go IMMEDIATELY back into position. No time to wipe sweat from your brow, take a breath, or anything. You keep on going at 100% until you've gone for 5 minutes time. The reason, as it was put to me, was that giving yourself even 3 seconds rest will alter the energy system you are using, and that is counter-productive to the results that Jay is trying to elicit. If you can truly work at 100% for 5 minutes, then the results are unbelievable. But if you do the work sub-maximally then the results will not be as prescribed. This was explained to me as follows: The body always wants to preserve itself and maintain homeostasis. Unless you truly give 100% your body wants to save all its recovery mechanisms (hormones, nutrients, etc..) for when they are actually needed.

I had been doing the same workout every day for 2 weeks, which included all the ISO's. Every day I woke up very stiff and sore, but was able to work hard. However, one day when Charles Maka (he runs the program in AZ) lined me and 2 other players up for a wall squat and had us do it truly correct. When we finished we were gasping for air, trembling, feeling like puking, and on the verge of passing out. The next day when I woke up, I had literally NO SORENESS.

So the reasons why Jay would not prescribe the ISO's to someone is because he can be confident that they won't do them correctly. And when they don't achieve any results they will complain about the workout and the system. Therefore, Jay gives them a workout he believes they will be able to execute and achieve results...just not the best results they could be getting."





cool, thanks for that post.

Any idea if he performed iso extreme dip, pullup also? Any idea on how the program affected him? I mean, did he throw harder (into the 100's)? Or did he recover alot faster after games? Basically, any idea of how he felt that program positively affected his game?

The best example of iso extremes, in my opinion, has got to be the chezkenny post. He's badass enough to do them all out, and smart enough to do them right, so i'm very interested in his training. I'm eagerly awaiting his lower body post-testing, now that he's "performing the lunge properly".

peace man

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Re: Jay Schroeder
« Reply #54 on: March 16, 2010, 07:52:05 pm »
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Great insight ben!

We have seen great results from 5 min isos and have 2 whole teams who reached that level.  So the question of "What is next?" is LEGIT.  In fact I believe our 2 teams are the only 2 whole, entire, documented teams to reach that level.  So we have more WHOLE teams that have done them than maybe even JAY!!!  For them (Jay and co) to dismiss us is bullshit.  You know first hand that I am an advocate!!  

FWIW I was the OP and the guy who got pissed when the typical "just do them" bull shit got posted.  

Seriously.  Ben you know I am a fan of LDISO yet they (ultrafitevo) continue to push this shroud of secrecy.  I need more than Andrew to poke and prod them to get the next level out of them.  You need to hit jay too.  We all need to if we want to learn from him.  If they don't share then, in the words of the immortal George Lopez, "fuck that puto!"

You wanna know why I say FTP (fuck that puto)?

Mike Boyle has trained FFFFFAAAAARRRR (FAR) more superbowl champs, stanley cup champs, MLB champs, NBA champs, NCAA champs, little league champs, pop warner champs, HS champs, and champs at all levels than jay can EVER, "for evuh evuh?, for evuh!" hope to train.  EVER!!!

Boyles resume is far greater and HE IS WILLING TO PAY IT FORWARD

So jay quit being a "P" and freakin share!!!

For those who like his pushing the boundaries (I am one, ben, etc...) we need to poke and prod this guy until he is willing to open up!!!!!!

Now you may ask"Alex but why are you annoyed?"  I like being challenged in my beliefs.  That is how I, and we all, learn.  So he serves a purpose but "C'mon man!"
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Re: Jay Schroeder
« Reply #55 on: March 16, 2010, 07:55:40 pm »
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FTP = Fuck that puto

it needs to be the new messaging slang
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Re: Jay Schroeder
« Reply #56 on: March 16, 2010, 08:33:28 pm »
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totally agree, Alex

I've asked some follow up questions to Robert, and I friended Charles Maka on facebook so I'm going to link him this thread and see what he has to say.


maybe we'll get the insight we've all been looking for


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Re: Jay Schroeder
« Reply #57 on: March 16, 2010, 09:01:30 pm »
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totally agree, Alex

I've asked some follow up questions to Robert, and I friended Charles Maka on facebook so I'm going to link him this thread and see what he has to say.


maybe we'll get the insight we've all been looking for


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Awesome, 

Looking forward to it.
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Re: Jay Schroeder
« Reply #58 on: March 16, 2010, 09:45:27 pm »
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totally agree, Alex

I've asked some follow up questions to Robert,

nice.

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and I friended Charles Maka on facebook so I'm going to link him this thread and see what he has to say.


maybe we'll get the insight we've all been looking for


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Maka is going to hate my vibe :)