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Joe DeFranco
« on: February 10, 2011, 06:13:11 pm »
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Why? Hes obviously taking money from T-Nation to write articles for them. Either that or he has lost his mind.
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Re: Joe DeFranco
« Reply #1 on: February 10, 2011, 06:33:23 pm »
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Explain.

Not going to defend him just yet, but I think this callout might be a bit harsh.
Even though his techniques are flawed he did an amazing job within his own environment and an inspriation of raw hard work all around the world.
Pretty legit imo, dont like the defranco supplement-bars etc. But overall Ive seen much worse.

Lets see the articles, not going over to Tnation in a while.

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Re: Joe DeFranco
« Reply #2 on: February 10, 2011, 06:36:12 pm »
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The articles aren't scammy. It's the association with T-Nation that is. They're selling shit that claims to put kgs of muscle on trained athletes (not possible) and other ridiculous supplements that have absolutely no backing. They're ripping people off!
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Re: Joe DeFranco
« Reply #3 on: February 10, 2011, 06:37:30 pm »
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what you calling him out about specifically?

i got no probs with people making money writing articles for t-nation.. if they write hyped up b.s. and use it to promote t-nation products they don't use, then yes, that would be a problem.

one reason i like joe defranco is, he's pretty open about his training process unlike most 'combine prep/s&c coaches'.. i mean we get a glimpse into his nfl combine training & the training of his other athletes, that's cool.. most coaches don't give near the access he does.

i guess one problem i have with his training would be the tread sled, that machine looks retarded.. he doesn't have sprinting space, so maybe that's why he's come to utilize it as much as he does, but i dno, that machine seems to wreck mechanics (while on the machine), who knows how it effects your sprinting otherwise.

box jumps bug me, i feel he could utilize better methods for the lighter guys (< 225), double legs bounds/dj's/dj to box etc..

alot of his strongman stuff doesn't fit the pure "performance enhancement" line of training, i don't like any of that type of training when it comes to pure speed/vert/power training, but he is training football players, that stuff helps when you're not in pads every day, so that's why he uses it.

i dno though, he seems like a very good dude & a decent coach.

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Re: Joe DeFranco
« Reply #4 on: February 10, 2011, 06:39:10 pm »
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The articles aren't scammy. It's the association with T-Nation that is. They're selling shit that claims to put kgs of muscle on trained athletes (not possible) and other ridiculous supplements that have absolutely no backing. They're ripping people off!

i dno, an association with t-nation itself is not bad, i mean, they do have some ok products like "grow" protein and overpriced shit like that..

the real "call out" would be thibs, he's the one claiming 20lb lean mass gains in like 12 weeks etc using the "anaconda stack"..

i havn't seen defranco do any of that? i don't read t-nation articles much anymore though so, i could have missed it.

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Re: Joe DeFranco
« Reply #5 on: February 10, 2011, 08:35:07 pm »
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Yea but by associating with a company that puts that shit out he is tainting himself and his brand. I was a fan of DeFranco but starting to question him now.
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Re: Joe DeFranco
« Reply #6 on: February 10, 2011, 10:53:20 pm »
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Yea but by associating with a company that puts that shit out he is tainting himself and his brand. I was a fan of DeFranco but starting to question him now.

He's been writing for them for 7-8 years, and t-nation helped him get popular in the first place.
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Re: Joe DeFranco
« Reply #7 on: February 11, 2011, 03:12:20 am »
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Yea but by associating with a company that puts that shit out he is tainting himself and his brand. I was a fan of DeFranco but starting to question him now.

He's been writing for them for 7-8 years, and t-nation helped him get popular in the first place.

Yea? lol, my bad then. Still fuck T-Nation man! Those dudes are scammers!
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Re: Joe DeFranco
« Reply #8 on: February 11, 2011, 05:06:14 am »
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Yea but by associating with a company that puts that shit out he is tainting himself and his brand. I was a fan of DeFranco but starting to question him now.

He's been writing for them for 7-8 years, and t-nation helped him get popular in the first place.

Yea? lol, my bad then. Still fuck T-Nation man! Those dudes are scammers!

So why didn't you make a T-Nation call out in the first place?

DeFranco is cool, brah!

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Re: Joe DeFranco
« Reply #9 on: February 11, 2011, 05:22:00 am »
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Yea but by associating with a company that puts that shit out he is tainting himself and his brand. I was a fan of DeFranco but starting to question him now.

He's been writing for them for 7-8 years, and t-nation helped him get popular in the first place.

Yea? lol, my bad then. Still fuck T-Nation man! Those dudes are scammers!

So why didn't you make a T-Nation call out in the first place?

there's already a t-nation call out :D



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Re: Joe DeFranco
« Reply #10 on: February 11, 2011, 06:53:48 am »
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Yea man, I like DeFranco's website and his gym seems cool. Associating with SCAMMERS ain't cool though....so that's why i'm calling him out on that. Alot of people look up to dude and hes associating with scammers like T-Nation...that's a bad look imo.
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Re: Joe DeFranco
« Reply #11 on: February 11, 2011, 10:38:25 am »
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I got no problem with a lot of Defranco's stuff I've seen most of his WS4SB programs, and the majority of his programs are either free or can be found after some time - correct me if I'm wrong but I think he always has a version u can pay for but tends to have his templates listed on his site.

The only issue I've had was when 1 of his "clients" another guy who trained there and was a trainer for him, said on the bb.com forums that he had something to the extent of 150lb increase in his bench in some short time - going from low 300lbs - his PR of a 455lbs bench (I think), please correct me if I'm wrong.

The other thing that struck me with him was in some interview I read somewhere he chopped down 'functional' training which many coaches and trainers do, but I think it was just his reasoning for chopping it down seemed incorrect.  He said something to the extent of o yeah as I'm writing this interview I'm standing on a exercise ball doing squats while spinning a ball on my finger and doing a lateral raise (my interpretation).  Again functional training has a bad rep, for good reason, I just tend to see it a little differently.

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Re: Joe DeFranco
« Reply #12 on: February 11, 2011, 09:48:42 pm »
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The other thing that struck me with him was in some interview I read somewhere he chopped down 'functional' training which many coaches and trainers do, but I think it was just his reasoning for chopping it down seemed incorrect.  He said something to the extent of o yeah as I'm writing this interview I'm standing on a exercise ball doing squats while spinning a ball on my finger and doing a lateral raise (my interpretation).  Again functional training has a bad rep, for good reason, I just tend to see it a little differently.

What are you trying to say here?
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Re: Joe DeFranco
« Reply #13 on: February 12, 2011, 05:56:32 am »
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The other thing that struck me with him was in some interview I read somewhere he chopped down 'functional' training which many coaches and trainers do, but I think it was just his reasoning for chopping it down seemed incorrect.  He said something to the extent of o yeah as I'm writing this interview I'm standing on a exercise ball doing squats while spinning a ball on my finger and doing a lateral raise (my interpretation).  Again functional training has a bad rep, for good reason, I just tend to see it a little differently.

What are you trying to say here?

I don't know what he means. I tried to decipher but failed.

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Re: Joe DeFranco
« Reply #14 on: February 13, 2011, 03:29:01 pm »
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Many respected coaches have had articles on T-nation: Dave Tate, Mark Rippetoe, Glenn Pendlay, Jim Wendler, and now Joe Defranco.

What's stupid about T-nation is the amount of product endorsements and advertisements, and these coaches have nothing to do with it.
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