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Title: Joe DeFranco
Post by: Sean0013 on February 10, 2011, 06:13:11 pm
Why? Hes obviously taking money from T-Nation to write articles for them. Either that or he has lost his mind.
Title: Re: Joe DeFranco
Post by: Jard on February 10, 2011, 06:33:23 pm
Explain.

Not going to defend him just yet, but I think this callout might be a bit harsh.
Even though his techniques are flawed he did an amazing job within his own environment and an inspriation of raw hard work all around the world.
Pretty legit imo, dont like the defranco supplement-bars etc. But overall Ive seen much worse.

Lets see the articles, not going over to Tnation in a while.
Title: Re: Joe DeFranco
Post by: Sean0013 on February 10, 2011, 06:36:12 pm
The articles aren't scammy. It's the association with T-Nation that is. They're selling shit that claims to put kgs of muscle on trained athletes (not possible) and other ridiculous supplements that have absolutely no backing. They're ripping people off!
Title: Re: Joe DeFranco
Post by: adarqui on February 10, 2011, 06:37:30 pm
what you calling him out about specifically?

i got no probs with people making money writing articles for t-nation.. if they write hyped up b.s. and use it to promote t-nation products they don't use, then yes, that would be a problem.

one reason i like joe defranco is, he's pretty open about his training process unlike most 'combine prep/s&c coaches'.. i mean we get a glimpse into his nfl combine training & the training of his other athletes, that's cool.. most coaches don't give near the access he does.

i guess one problem i have with his training would be the tread sled, that machine looks retarded.. he doesn't have sprinting space, so maybe that's why he's come to utilize it as much as he does, but i dno, that machine seems to wreck mechanics (while on the machine), who knows how it effects your sprinting otherwise.

box jumps bug me, i feel he could utilize better methods for the lighter guys (< 225), double legs bounds/dj's/dj to box etc..

alot of his strongman stuff doesn't fit the pure "performance enhancement" line of training, i don't like any of that type of training when it comes to pure speed/vert/power training, but he is training football players, that stuff helps when you're not in pads every day, so that's why he uses it.

i dno though, he seems like a very good dude & a decent coach.

pc
Title: Re: Joe DeFranco
Post by: adarqui on February 10, 2011, 06:39:10 pm
The articles aren't scammy. It's the association with T-Nation that is. They're selling shit that claims to put kgs of muscle on trained athletes (not possible) and other ridiculous supplements that have absolutely no backing. They're ripping people off!

i dno, an association with t-nation itself is not bad, i mean, they do have some ok products like "grow" protein and overpriced shit like that..

the real "call out" would be thibs, he's the one claiming 20lb lean mass gains in like 12 weeks etc using the "anaconda stack"..

i havn't seen defranco do any of that? i don't read t-nation articles much anymore though so, i could have missed it.

pc
Title: Re: Joe DeFranco
Post by: Sean0013 on February 10, 2011, 08:35:07 pm
Yea but by associating with a company that puts that shit out he is tainting himself and his brand. I was a fan of DeFranco but starting to question him now.
Title: Re: Joe DeFranco
Post by: TheSituation on February 10, 2011, 10:53:20 pm
Yea but by associating with a company that puts that shit out he is tainting himself and his brand. I was a fan of DeFranco but starting to question him now.

He's been writing for them for 7-8 years, and t-nation helped him get popular in the first place.
Title: Re: Joe DeFranco
Post by: Sean0013 on February 11, 2011, 03:12:20 am
Yea but by associating with a company that puts that shit out he is tainting himself and his brand. I was a fan of DeFranco but starting to question him now.

He's been writing for them for 7-8 years, and t-nation helped him get popular in the first place.

Yea? lol, my bad then. Still fuck T-Nation man! Those dudes are scammers!
Title: Re: Joe DeFranco
Post by: DamienZ on February 11, 2011, 05:06:14 am
Yea but by associating with a company that puts that shit out he is tainting himself and his brand. I was a fan of DeFranco but starting to question him now.

He's been writing for them for 7-8 years, and t-nation helped him get popular in the first place.

Yea? lol, my bad then. Still fuck T-Nation man! Those dudes are scammers!

So why didn't you make a T-Nation call out in the first place?

DeFranco is cool, brah!
Title: Re: Joe DeFranco
Post by: adarqui on February 11, 2011, 05:22:00 am
Yea but by associating with a company that puts that shit out he is tainting himself and his brand. I was a fan of DeFranco but starting to question him now.

He's been writing for them for 7-8 years, and t-nation helped him get popular in the first place.

Yea? lol, my bad then. Still fuck T-Nation man! Those dudes are scammers!

So why didn't you make a T-Nation call out in the first place?

there's already a t-nation call out :D



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DeFranco is cool, brah!

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Title: Re: Joe DeFranco
Post by: Sean0013 on February 11, 2011, 06:53:48 am
Yea man, I like DeFranco's website and his gym seems cool. Associating with SCAMMERS ain't cool though....so that's why i'm calling him out on that. Alot of people look up to dude and hes associating with scammers like T-Nation...that's a bad look imo.
Title: Re: Joe DeFranco
Post by: mike.1283 on February 11, 2011, 10:38:25 am
I got no problem with a lot of Defranco's stuff I've seen most of his WS4SB programs, and the majority of his programs are either free or can be found after some time - correct me if I'm wrong but I think he always has a version u can pay for but tends to have his templates listed on his site.

The only issue I've had was when 1 of his "clients" another guy who trained there and was a trainer for him, said on the bb.com forums that he had something to the extent of 150lb increase in his bench in some short time - going from low 300lbs - his PR of a 455lbs bench (I think), please correct me if I'm wrong.

The other thing that struck me with him was in some interview I read somewhere he chopped down 'functional' training which many coaches and trainers do, but I think it was just his reasoning for chopping it down seemed incorrect.  He said something to the extent of o yeah as I'm writing this interview I'm standing on a exercise ball doing squats while spinning a ball on my finger and doing a lateral raise (my interpretation).  Again functional training has a bad rep, for good reason, I just tend to see it a little differently.
Title: Re: Joe DeFranco
Post by: TheSituation on February 11, 2011, 09:48:42 pm
The other thing that struck me with him was in some interview I read somewhere he chopped down 'functional' training which many coaches and trainers do, but I think it was just his reasoning for chopping it down seemed incorrect.  He said something to the extent of o yeah as I'm writing this interview I'm standing on a exercise ball doing squats while spinning a ball on my finger and doing a lateral raise (my interpretation).  Again functional training has a bad rep, for good reason, I just tend to see it a little differently.

What are you trying to say here?
Title: Re: Joe DeFranco
Post by: Raptor on February 12, 2011, 05:56:32 am
The other thing that struck me with him was in some interview I read somewhere he chopped down 'functional' training which many coaches and trainers do, but I think it was just his reasoning for chopping it down seemed incorrect.  He said something to the extent of o yeah as I'm writing this interview I'm standing on a exercise ball doing squats while spinning a ball on my finger and doing a lateral raise (my interpretation).  Again functional training has a bad rep, for good reason, I just tend to see it a little differently.

What are you trying to say here?

I don't know what he means. I tried to decipher but failed.
Title: Re: Joe DeFranco
Post by: JoelJ on February 13, 2011, 03:29:01 pm
Many respected coaches have had articles on T-nation: Dave Tate, Mark Rippetoe, Glenn Pendlay, Jim Wendler, and now Joe Defranco.

What's stupid about T-nation is the amount of product endorsements and advertisements, and these coaches have nothing to do with it.
Title: Re: Joe DeFranco
Post by: n00bEM on February 14, 2011, 05:27:47 pm
Has anyone tried the Anaconda stack? I guess if none of us have, we should gladly STFU haha. I remember reading logs of guys using it and their strength was definitely sky rocketing the way Thib and that claimed it would.

As far as I've seen, many of T-Nation's products are backed by science. Curcumin, rhodiola rosea, fish oil etc. are well researched substances, providing benefits to the body.

My only beef is -like all of you said- the very aggressive, opposite-of-subtle plugging and marketing of their products in recent articles. You definitely get the feeling that some articles are edited, with plugs being inserted, not necessarily written by the original author.
Title: Re: Joe DeFranco
Post by: adarqui on February 14, 2011, 05:43:46 pm
Has anyone tried the Anaconda stack? I guess if none of us have, we should gladly STFU haha. I remember reading logs of guys using it and their strength was definitely sky rocketing the way Thib and that claimed it would.

As far as I've seen, many of T-Nation's products are backed by science. Curcumin, rhodiola rosea, fish oil etc. are well researched substances, providing benefits to the body.

My only beef is -like all of you said- the very aggressive, opposite-of-subtle plugging and marketing of their products in recent articles. You definitely get the feeling that some articles are edited, with plugs being inserted, not necessarily written by the original author.

well, they've made claims of 20+ lb lean mass in like 8 weeks or so using the anaconda stack, that isn't happening in trained athletes OR noobs.. so we don't have to actually try the stack to know they are bullshitting.

pC
Title: Re: Joe DeFranco
Post by: Sean0013 on February 14, 2011, 05:51:23 pm
Has anyone tried the Anaconda stack? I guess if none of us have, we should gladly STFU haha. I remember reading logs of guys using it and their strength was definitely sky rocketing the way Thib and that claimed it would.

As far as I've seen, many of T-Nation's products are backed by science. Curcumin, rhodiola rosea, fish oil etc. are well researched substances, providing benefits to the body.

My only beef is -like all of you said- the very aggressive, opposite-of-subtle plugging and marketing of their products in recent articles. You definitely get the feeling that some articles are edited, with plugs being inserted, not necessarily written by the original author.

well, they've made claims of 20+ lb lean mass in like 8 weeks or so using the anaconda stack, that isn't happening in trained athletes OR noobs.. so we don't have to actually try the stack to know they are bullshitting.

pC

WORD. The claims they're making aren't possible even if you've juiced so much the shit is spurting out of every last pore in your body. Besides the fact the products are basically a fancy casein shake and creatine supplement. The rest of the so-called "active ingredients" don't do shit. Some of them can't even be absorbed by your body. People are paying for expensive shit and piss essentially.
Title: Re: Joe DeFranco
Post by: adarqui on February 14, 2011, 05:56:41 pm
Has anyone tried the Anaconda stack? I guess if none of us have, we should gladly STFU haha. I remember reading logs of guys using it and their strength was definitely sky rocketing the way Thib and that claimed it would.

As far as I've seen, many of T-Nation's products are backed by science. Curcumin, rhodiola rosea, fish oil etc. are well researched substances, providing benefits to the body.

My only beef is -like all of you said- the very aggressive, opposite-of-subtle plugging and marketing of their products in recent articles. You definitely get the feeling that some articles are edited, with plugs being inserted, not necessarily written by the original author.

well, they've made claims of 20+ lb lean mass in like 8 weeks or so using the anaconda stack, that isn't happening in trained athletes OR noobs.. so we don't have to actually try the stack to know they are bullshitting.

pC

WORD. The claims they're making aren't possible even if you've juiced so much the shit is spurting out of every last pore in your body. Besides the fact the products are basically a fancy casein shake and creatine supplement. The rest of the so-called "active ingredients" don't do shit. Some of them can't even be absorbed by your body. People are paying for expensive shit and piss essentially.

yup, the supplement industry is a fraud, and honestly, dno why anyone would put those products in their bodies.. i mean wtf, stick to pure whey/fish oil/creatine/multi vitamin and good food sources.

people are nutty..
Title: Re: Joe DeFranco
Post by: DamienZ on February 14, 2011, 06:01:51 pm
Has anyone tried the Anaconda stack? I guess if none of us have, we should gladly STFU haha. I remember reading logs of guys using it and their strength was definitely sky rocketing the way Thib and that claimed it would.

As far as I've seen, many of T-Nation's products are backed by science. Curcumin, rhodiola rosea, fish oil etc. are well researched substances, providing benefits to the body.

My only beef is -like all of you said- the very aggressive, opposite-of-subtle plugging and marketing of their products in recent articles. You definitely get the feeling that some articles are edited, with plugs being inserted, not necessarily written by the original author.

well, they've made claims of 20+ lb lean mass in like 8 weeks or so using the anaconda stack, that isn't happening in trained athletes OR noobs.. so we don't have to actually try the stack to know they are bullshitting.

pC

WORD. The claims they're making aren't possible even if you've juiced so much the shit is spurting out of every last pore in your body. Besides the fact the products are basically a fancy casein shake and creatine supplement. The rest of the so-called "active ingredients" don't do shit. Some of them can't even be absorbed by your body. People are paying for expensive shit and piss essentially.

hm, is possible... a female sprinter put on 20lb in 4 weeks once she started using balcos steroids...
Title: Re: Joe DeFranco
Post by: Sean0013 on February 14, 2011, 06:10:46 pm
I'd believe it if I saw it. Until that happens i'm calling bs. Your body would struggle to put on 20lbs of fat in 4 weeks...
Title: Re: Joe DeFranco
Post by: n00bEM on February 14, 2011, 06:54:51 pm
I just checked a log of someone doing a review on Anaconda. In 6 weeks he lost 1% bodyfat and gained 12.5 pounds. Those are drastic results. Furthermore, this guy has issues that prevent him from deadlifting, benching or squatting. That's pretty freaky don't you think. I mean, sure there could be fallacies in the measurements but that's crazy shit.

I say again, maybe we shouldn't knock it till we've tried it. I don't buy what Biotest are saying, but I'm open to the idea that their stuff is less BS than we think.
Title: Re: Joe DeFranco
Post by: DamienZ on February 14, 2011, 06:59:56 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4s-9EfpT_4c

only in german, but u can believe me:

pants are 4 sizes bigger than she wears now and they used to be really tight.
-how many pounds of muscle did u put on?
-almost 20lb
-in what time?
-1 month...
Title: Re: Joe DeFranco
Post by: John Stamos on February 14, 2011, 07:23:41 pm
its possible if you use a good stack using shit like Dbol, Fina, suspension, etc etc and your a noob with decent genetics and a clean diet and consistent training schedule aimed towards building muscle.

I did a cycle of Dymethazine by IForce Nutrition(prohormone) and i went from 218-235 and cut fat off

enough rambling, the anaconda stack or whatever it is, no it wont give you those gains, or else it'd be banned
Title: Re: Joe DeFranco
Post by: DamienZ on February 14, 2011, 07:43:49 pm
its possible if you use a good stack using shit like Dbol, Fina, suspension, etc etc and your a noob with decent genetics and a clean diet and consistent training schedule aimed towards building muscle.

I did a cycle of Dymethazine by IForce Nutrition(prohormone) and i went from 218-235 and cut fat off

enough rambling, the anaconda stack or whatever it is, no it wont give you those gains, or else it'd be banned

I don't know about this stuff, but how much did u pay for this cycle?

The base package those pro athletes get costs over 30000$ and if they want the best pack - the atomic bomb - they have to pay over 200000$.

If this cheaper stuff can give you results like you had... imagine what the atomic bomb could do :ibjumping:
Title: Re: Joe DeFranco
Post by: Sean0013 on February 14, 2011, 07:47:14 pm
This thread is ridiculous.... :uhhhfacepalm:
Title: Re: Joe DeFranco
Post by: TheSituation on February 14, 2011, 07:59:53 pm
its possible if you use a good stack using shit like Dbol, Fina, suspension, etc etc and your a noob with decent genetics and a clean diet and consistent training schedule aimed towards building muscle.

I did a cycle of Dymethazine by IForce Nutrition(prohormone) and i went from 218-235 and cut fat off

enough rambling, the anaconda stack or whatever it is, no it wont give you those gains, or else it'd be banned

I don't know about this stuff, but how much did u pay for this cycle?

The base package those pro athletes get costs over 30000$ and if they want the best pack - the atomic bomb - they have to pay over 200000$.

If this cheaper stuff can give you results like you had... imagine what the atomic bomb could do :ibjumping:


No. A 12 week cycle of testosterone, deca/tren, and dbol/winstrol along with an AI and novladex will be under 500 dollars. Any more steroids than that in the same cycle is excessive.

It gets pricey when you start adding hgh and insulin in your drug regime but pro athletes only take those because they can't be detected/hard to detect.

A good prohormone cycle + nolva will be under 200 dollars. Steroids aren't as expensive as you think.
Title: Re: Joe DeFranco
Post by: adarqui on February 14, 2011, 08:20:12 pm
3:15 in, balco douche claims Tim gained "28 lb of lean muscle in 8 weeks", using PEd's/roids etc.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1npYx14_JRc
Title: Re: Joe DeFranco
Post by: John Stamos on February 14, 2011, 08:34:44 pm
its possible if you use a good stack using shit like Dbol, Fina, suspension, etc etc and your a noob with decent genetics and a clean diet and consistent training schedule aimed towards building muscle.

I did a cycle of Dymethazine by IForce Nutrition(prohormone) and i went from 218-235 and cut fat off

enough rambling, the anaconda stack or whatever it is, no it wont give you those gains, or else it'd be banned

I don't know about this stuff, but how much did u pay for this cycle?

The base package those pro athletes get costs over 30000$ and if they want the best pack - the atomic bomb - they have to pay over 200000$.

If this cheaper stuff can give you results like you had... imagine what the atomic bomb could do :ibjumping:


No. A 12 week cycle of testosterone, deca/tren, and dbol/winstrol along with an AI and novladex will be under 500 dollars. Any more steroids than that in the same cycle is excessive.

It gets pricey when you start adding hgh and insulin in your drug regime but pro athletes only take those because they can't be detected/hard to detect.

A good prohormone cycle + nolva will be under 200 dollars. Steroids aren't as expensive as you think.

very true, and it was when prohormones were legal so they were cheap,  I can still get them from a guy lol but it costs a lot more now.  and yeah, HGH can cost you anywhere from 150-300 dollars a day.  Testosterone only cycle tho wont give you those results in 8 weeks tho, considering it takes like 4-6 weeks to even have it kick in.  HGH isnt even a steroid, fags decided 1 day to just throw them in with the banned shit a long time ago.  and prohormones is simply a weaker form of roids.


But you can also look into peptides online, im thinking because they are marked as "for lab testing only" so you can get synthetic ghs, and you can even get Clen for a cutting cycle cheap.

but some steroids arent really around anymore because people are making fakes and even a "safe" steroid like primo costs a lot because of how much you have to take


but he def gained weight, not 28lbs of lean mass tho
Title: Re: Joe DeFranco
Post by: DamienZ on February 15, 2011, 04:24:15 am
its possible if you use a good stack using shit like Dbol, Fina, suspension, etc etc and your a noob with decent genetics and a clean diet and consistent training schedule aimed towards building muscle.

I did a cycle of Dymethazine by IForce Nutrition(prohormone) and i went from 218-235 and cut fat off

enough rambling, the anaconda stack or whatever it is, no it wont give you those gains, or else it'd be banned

I don't know about this stuff, but how much did u pay for this cycle?

The base package those pro athletes get costs over 30000$ and if they want the best pack - the atomic bomb - they have to pay over 200000$.

If this cheaper stuff can give you results like you had... imagine what the atomic bomb could do :ibjumping:


No. A 12 week cycle of testosterone, deca/tren, and dbol/winstrol along with an AI and novladex will be under 500 dollars. Any more steroids than that in the same cycle is excessive.

It gets pricey when you start adding hgh and insulin in your drug regime but pro athletes only take those because they can't be detected/hard to detect.

A good prohormone cycle + nolva will be under 200 dollars. Steroids aren't as expensive as you think.

as i said, i don't know about steroids, but it's just what those various pro athletes said in some documentaries.