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Thats the problem adarq, everyone in today's age RATIONALIZE cheating or unethical behavior.  People know that cheating on your wife, cheat in athletics, or stealing money is WRONG just as much as they knew these things in say the 1950's, the only difference is people now constantly make excuses and down play it. Obviously the consequences are devastating on all levels.

ya my mind is always blown when people justify breaking the rules to obtain an edge in sport.. "if everyone is doing it why can't I" is always the excuse..

"if everyone is scamming why can't I?"

"if everyone is giving out loans to people who obviously can't repay them, why can't I?"

"if everyone is charging 200-400% interest at check cashing stores, why can't I?"

"if everyone is running up incredibly credit card debt, then just erasing it with chapter 7 bankruptcy, why can't I?"

"if everyone is using PED's why can't I?"

same shit..




bottom line, people who justify PED's usually have no idea what goes on in the mentality of these athletes who use them.. for one, if you're trying to become cream of the crop, you won't just do "one cycle and stop using them".. PED's become CRACK.. cheater-crack.. athletes will keep abusing them or their gains will diminish over time.. this is not healthy. Regardless of the sport, if "you" had to take PED's to become competitive in that sport, you will NEVER be able to stop taking them. If doing "one cycle" was all it took, you already had the ability to compete at that level without the use of PED's. People who would not ordinarily be able to compete at that level, who take PED's, are addicts. There's no way to get off the JUNK because that means not being able to compete.

AND THAT IS UNHEALTHY AND DANGEROUS.

bigger faster stronger is stupid, brb 16 year old "aspiring athlete" extremely depressed, saw PED's can be effective & safe on a forum so I'm poppin the testosteronez, killing myself via hanging. BBL.

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JC if you're position is that it's shouldn't be legal because stupid people will do it or kids will get a hold of it...then my question to you is what SHOULD be legal?

you act as if these people already can't get a hold of it...they can and they do

Drugs that can be used safely. There is no safe way for a kid to use anabolic steroids. There are safe ways that men over 25 can, but that's not the issue.

Making steroids legal after they are already illegal basically says it's ok to use them.

Few of you guys know anything about proper cycles yet you are saying steroids should be legal. That is why they are illegal.


Next question, what's the difference between a methylated and non-methylated oral, and can they be taken together?
« Last Edit: March 08, 2011, 08:41:14 pm by JC »
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[7:31pm] adarq: he's just
[7:31pm] adarq: wrecking people
[7:31pm] adarq: daily




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I'm just lol'ing at the people who think steroids are "healthy" on here. I guarantee they couldn't put together a good cycle yet they are talking like they are experts on steroids because they watched Bigger-Stronger-Faster. Please shut the fuck up


@lamp, not quite but good enough. You didn't name me 2 AIs you can use on a cycle.

I'm not putting my "morals" on anyone, I'm preventing them from killing themselves. If steroids were legal and legal for sports, where is the limit people use? You'd have to ridiculously abuse them to compete. Why should you be forced to abuse a drug to compete? And since you know others are using, you are going to try ridiculous doses yourself.

Athletes should be practicing their sport and improving their athleticism, not studying drug cycles.
But the more I looked into the posts, it seems like Kelly has a big drug abuse problem and I thought it should be discussed here, as he's well respected on forums everywhere and a lot of kids view him as a "God" and listen to everything he says. When the guy says you shouldn't diet without anabolic assistance, that bothers me. That's almost telling kids to take PEDs.


superstrong post, 1.5xBW bicep curl level.


edit: allowing PED's/roids in competitive sport is basically saying "we don't give a fuck about you as a human being, we just want to see you perform like a racehorse". It really is... what jcsbck says is a problem i've had with ped's (if they are legal) for a long time.. people will end up doping up so hardcore it'll get insane, picture marius pudzianowski sniffing 5 lines of coke before a strongman event. Marius didn't get banned for PED's, he got banned for cocaine usage. This guy was coking up prior to strongman events. Healthy.

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yes it is immoral/wrong to break the rule, if everyone is cheating and the rule says no cheating, then everyone is immoral/wrong.

this issue is far greater than just doping in sport, looking at the economic crisis in usa.. everyone is trying to "get theirs before they die", abusing the system/not thinking about the consequences. bottom line is people who cheat are CHEATERS and are thus pussy ass bitches and should fuck off, i'd rather watch clean 10.2's than roided 9.8's.

stop listening to charlie francis, seriously, when he says "everyone is cheating", he's just justifying his own pathetic cheater actions.

earlier I was referring to the practice in the US of legislating steroid use with regards to athletics NOT the leagues decisions
obviously if the league makes a rule it is their rule, you participate in the league you play by the rules-- it is morally sound...

However, with regards to the countries laws, a famous person by the name of Martin Luther King said:

"One has not only a legal, but a moral responsibility to obey just laws. Conversely, one has a moral responsibility to disobey unjust laws"

ban on steroids in the US = unjust, therefore I have no moral responsibility to obey the law there...none

 I agree I wish nobody used steroids but that doesn't change a thing...I too would rather see natural 10.2s than 9.8s doped but nobody cares what I think...

lastly, charlie francis was the only coach with the balls to come out and tell the truth...he was startled by the hypocrisy and corruption that pervaded the olympics and the IOC


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casey combest was on roids? some people are just freaks.. tfb dunkers are on roids? TFB dunkers have more genetic potential than most olympic athletes do, they don't roid, lift, or do anything other than dunk, play basketball, and play xbox.. now imagine that talent existing around the world, getting ahold of those athletes when they are young and having them do track..

not everyone is a cheater.

Combest was good naturally; however, he wasn't the best.  Maybe if he had used peds he would have broken Maurice Green's record in the 60...

I don't know what you are trying to argue with the last statement...I would hesitate before belittling athletes who have been selected from a young age, trained diligently in their discipline from that young age and who have excelled and made it to the top of their sport.

while the tfb guys are impressive, you have no basis for saying they have more genetic potential...

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ha ha ha you literally can search aromatase inhibitors and have wikipedia tell you the names of plenty lol... look them up yourself

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I'm not putting my "morals" on anyone, I'm preventing them from killing themselves

this quote right here says it all... if you can't spot the danger and contradiction lying within these words then you are an idiot...


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Thats the problem adarq, everyone in today's age RATIONALIZE cheating or unethical behavior.  People know that cheating on your wife, cheat in athletics, or stealing money is WRONG just as much as they knew these things in say the 1950's, the only difference is people now constantly make excuses and down play it. Obviously the consequences are devastating on all levels.

the rule on peds should be changed... then it wouldn't be cheating

its not like cheating on your wife or stealing which have been considered morally repugnant behaviors for ages............

there is no obvious stance on steroid use current laws and regulations notwithstanding

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ha ha ha you literally can search aromatase inhibitors and have wikipedia tell you the names of plenty lol... look them up yoursel


So you had no idea what they were and you just googled? Now think about the random high school kid who has never even heard of the term. 99% of people know what steroids are, .00001% know what AIs, Serms, and the like are.

This thread got so ridiculous though. The legality of PEDs is not, and has never been the issue I have with KellyB using them. I already said most of the stuff he used was legal. Yet all you guys who think you are experts because you watched a biased documentary are trying to make some point about something that was never the issue here.

Not really sure how I am a "hypocrite", so explain that part more.


EDIT: I'm ignoring any more posts that aren't about the main issue. This thread has gotten ridiculous.
« Last Edit: March 08, 2011, 08:53:32 pm by JC »
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Thats the problem adarq, everyone in today's age RATIONALIZE cheating or unethical behavior.  People know that cheating on your wife, cheat in athletics, or stealing money is WRONG just as much as they knew these things in say the 1950's, the only difference is people now constantly make excuses and down play it. Obviously the consequences are devastating on all levels.

the rule on peds should be changed... then it wouldn't be cheating

the rules on ped's don't need to be changed, organizations that do not test need to be created.. what you are asking for, is basically not allowing clean athletes to compete at a high level. With PED's legal in sport, natural athletes will be left behind in favor of "performance junkies" who pop PED's out of pez dispensers.

you need to give the individual a "right to choose" between which league/fed they want to compete in.. so far most feds are ANTI PED so, that means creating feds that don't test.. then you can have people who use/abuse ped's compete there.

legalizing PED's in sport would be very dangerous and put natural athletes at an extreme disadvantage.. contraire to popular belief, not everyone wants to fill their body up with hormones/chemicals.. people like romo will chop off a testicle to gain an advantage over their competition, they are chemical junkies and should not exist in "clean federations".




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its not like cheating on your wife or stealing which have been considered morally repugnant behaviors for ages............

there is no obvious stance on steroid use current laws and regulations notwithstanding

it's exactly like cheating on your wife, you agree to a "sacred contract" and you break it, same thing.

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ha ha ha you literally can search aromatase inhibitors and have wikipedia tell you the names of plenty lol... look them up yoursel


So you had no idea what they were and you just googled? Now think about the random high school kid who has never even heard of the term. 99% of people know what steroids are, .00001% know what AIs, Serms, and the like are.

This thread got so ridiculous though. The legality of PEDs is not, and has never been the issue I have with KellyB using them. I already said most of the stuff he used was legal. Yet all you guys who think you are experts because you watched a biased documentary are trying to make some point about something that was never the issue here.

Not really sure how I am a "hypocrite", so explain that part more.

knew what they were but I didn't know the specific names of any...actually thought hcg was one but I was wrong there...

how are you a hypocrite?

you write "I'm not putting my "morals" on anyone, I'm preventing them from killing themselves"

your "preventing them from killing themselves" is simply a self justification for you telling them what to do.  By doing that you are saying that you are better, smarter, and an essentially patriarchal figure to them-- one who is perfectly justified in having a say in their life and their choices.

I find that mentality very disturbing and scary.  I do not want you, the government or anyone/thing else interfering in my life.

Lastly,  I agree the KellyB thing is wrong if he was advertising his program dope-free (because obviously using Peds would end up enhancing the effectiveness of the program just a little bit  :D).

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the rules on ped's don't need to be changed, organizations that do not test need to be created.. what you are asking for, is basically not allowing clean athletes to compete at a high level. With PED's legal in sport, natural athletes will be left behind in favor of "performance junkies" who pop PED's out of pez dispensers.

you need to give the individual a "right to choose" between which league/fed they want to compete in.. so far most feds are ANTI PED so, that means creating feds that don't test.. then you can have people who use/abuse ped's compete there.

legalizing PED's in sport would be very dangerous and put natural athletes at an extreme disadvantage.. contraire to popular belief, not everyone wants to fill their body up with hormones/chemicals.. people like romo will chop off a testicle to gain an advantage over their competition, they are chemical junkies and should not exist in "clean federations".

I agree with what you are saying here... but it will never happen

the athletic establishment has too much vested and stands to lose too much if the current status quo is disturbed.

the nightmare situation you put at the end describes the current situation in athletics, if you want to win you have to dope

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it's exactly like cheating on your wife, you agree to a "sacred contract" and you break it, same thing.
from the contractual stance yes it is true; however, I was talking about something else...

in western moral code it is considered wrong to cheat on your wife.  There is no moral background or tradition with regards to steroids... they are not considered morally wrong by our culture, whereas cheating on one's wife is

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knew what they were but I didn't know the specific names of any...actually thought hcg was one but I was wrong there...

how are you a hypocrite?

you write "I'm not putting my "morals" on anyone, I'm preventing them from killing themselves"

your "preventing them from killing themselves" is simply a self justification for you telling them what to do.  By doing that you are saying that you are better, smarter, and an essentially patriarchal figure to them-- one who is perfectly justified in having a say in their life and their choices.

I find that mentality very disturbing and scary.  I do not want you, the government or anyone/thing else interfering in my life.

Lastly,  I agree the KellyB thing is wrong if he was advertising his program dope-free (because obviously using Peds would end up enhancing the effectiveness of the program just a little bit  :D).


The fact that you thought hCG was one shows that you are not qualified to give your opinion about anything steroid related, and need to get out of this thread or at least just talk about the topic that this thread was intended to talk about.

I take it back, I was putting my morals on people, but...
You have some weird hippie mentalities. If you don't want the government "interfering" in your life, then you are against all laws and against taxes. Some of somebody raped and killed your mother, you're ok with that because you don't want the government interfering with your life. Every law is based on morals, and there is no universal moral code. Human Rights, International Law, and National law are all based on morals, which according to you is is disturbing and scary. What makes western moral code right and a rapists moral code wrong?

in b4 I contradicted myself
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[7:31pm] adarq: daily




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Lamp, go away though. Seriously. The point you are trying to make has nothing to do with kellyB using legal PEDs.
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the rules on ped's don't need to be changed, organizations that do not test need to be created.. what you are asking for, is basically not allowing clean athletes to compete at a high level. With PED's legal in sport, natural athletes will be left behind in favor of "performance junkies" who pop PED's out of pez dispensers.

you need to give the individual a "right to choose" between which league/fed they want to compete in.. so far most feds are ANTI PED so, that means creating feds that don't test.. then you can have people who use/abuse ped's compete there.

legalizing PED's in sport would be very dangerous and put natural athletes at an extreme disadvantage.. contraire to popular belief, not everyone wants to fill their body up with hormones/chemicals.. people like romo will chop off a testicle to gain an advantage over their competition, they are chemical junkies and should not exist in "clean federations".

I agree with what you are saying here... but it will never happen

the athletic establishment has too much vested and stands to lose too much if the current status quo is disturbed.

the nightmare situation you put at the end describes the current situation in athletics, if you want to win you have to dope

the nightmare situation would be having PED's legalized in sport so that everyone WOULD ACTUALLY have to use them to compete.. as it stands right now, ped's are illegal, so a guy who came in second (naturally) behind a roider (1st) actually has a chance when that guy (1st place) tests positive.. with ped's legalized across the board, there would be absolutely no way to compete without contributing a major portion of your "training" to pharmacology.. as it stands right now, people can compete at a high level without having to put a ton of trash in their bodies.

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The fact that you thought hCG was one shows that you are not qualified to give your opinion about anything steroid related, and need to get out of this thread or at least just talk about the topic that this thread was intended to talk about.

false, I said I initially thought something about hcG... which I then checked before I wrote anything (I later brought it up to explain the ease in finding/researching aromatase inhibitors).  I am not arrogant enough to assume I know that much about steroid use and the various ancillaries.  This has nothing to do however with my comments on the ethics behind steroid laws and regulations.
I know more than you about playing soccer, does that mean you are not qualified to talk about soccer with me or even criticize my technique... obviously not

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I take it back, I was putting my morals on people, but...
You have some weird hippie mentalities. If you don't want the government "interfering" in your life, then you are against all laws and against taxes. Some of somebody raped and killed your mother, you're ok with that because you don't want the government interfering with your life. Every law is based on morals, and there is no universal moral code. Human Rights, International Law, and National law are all based on morals, which according to you is is disturbing and scary. What makes western moral code right and a rapists moral code wrong?

in b4 I contradicted myself

no problem, you recognized the contradiction in that statement...most people don't

I am for government in the sense that I think a police force and military is necessary to preserve the rights of the individual -- to property, life, speech...

imo taxes should only pay for police and military
beyond that, no I am not for government


secondly, there is a universal moral code...

the philosopher Kant wrote about it:

"Act only on that maxim which you can at the same time will that it should become a universal law."

this is the basis for all moral behavior