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so was i

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see but JC you're making it sound like all steriods are the same thing and created equally which is just not true...some are harder and more dangerous than others

How am I making anything sound remotely like that?

Every cycle should be using testosterone (or at the very least tren), so I think it's fair to talk about the side effects of that as universal side effects of steroids. If they aren't using test, with that action, they are proving that they don't know what they are doing.
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no word from the man himself as yet?
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How am I making anything sound remotely like that?

Every cycle should be using testosterone (or at the very least tren), so I think it's fair to talk about the side effects of that as universal side effects of steroids. If they aren't using test, with that action, they are proving that they don't know what they are doing.

I'll go devils advocate:

Anecdotal evidence to the contrary:

Arnold and may others favorite cycles were deca and dbol.  Did arnie use test?  Most likely, but deca and dbol were his fav's and many others back in the day.

Also test, deca, dbol, tren, etc are easily tested for (much of the discussion has gone drugs in sports)so the goal isn;t better drugs it is less detectable ones.  Sacrifice better for not getting caught.

Lets get to studies: 

For DECADES, until the early 2000's, scientists claimed steroids did not improve  performance.  A study shows a correlation.  So what.  It does not equal causation.  Do they look at diet, exercise habits, etc...?  Face it they have their heads up their asses and the corporations asses they are supporting.

Last two points:

You will never know who did what.  So we will never know who juiced or took any other PED's (including the glory days).  Period!

And finally, you can see a problem, any problem, how about someone find a freakin solution?  In other words get off your lazy asses and try to fix something.  Get off the sidelines, like this forum, and come up with a solution, contact senators and congressmen, or organize protests.  Just fuckin do something that is for real!

Seriously if you care about it this much, then do something.

Otherwise you are just jerkin off onto your keyboard.

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PS wearing a yellow wristband is supporting a juicer.
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PS wearing a yellow wristband is supporting a juicer.

lance armstrong failed tests?

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PS wearing a yellow wristband is supporting a juicer.

lance armstrong failed tests?

Yeah he did. But the sample was an old one not kept to WADA standards, just hanging around for reasearch purposes, and he got off on a technicality.

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So what are Usain Bolt, Tyson Gay & Asafa Powell juicing up on?.

Ok, first off, I'm a biochemistry student (double major with computer science and focusing on bioinformatics) but I'm by no means an expert so I could be completely wrong in some things but...

Synthetic endogenous steroid and peptide hormones. Testosterone, epitestosterone, HGH, IGF1 and insulin. Quite possibly cytomel or l-thyroxine as well. All pretty much undetecible. Peptide hormones are only detectible in blood which isn't tested out of competition and they clear in a matter of hours. Thyroid hormones are difficult to detect and clear pretty quickly too. All the limits of detection, tested metabolites etc are all published on the WADA site and make some fascinating reading for anyone interested in biochemistry.

I think there's a bit of a misunderstanding here about how PEDs are typically used by elite athletes. They're not doing bodybuilder inspired steroid cycles, packing on ridiculous amounts of muscle and then losing half of it while their natural hormone production is completely whacked. They're taking tiny amounts of stuff mainly with a focus on recovery and enhancing their natural capacity rather than taking doses which result in massive phisiological changes regardless of training.

Over the last 10 years massive improvements have been made in drug testing which has really tightened things up. Having said that I think steroid use, even in olympic weightlifting, has been wildly exaggerated where dosing and sophistication are concerned. The supposedly "sophisticated and systematic" Bulgarian olympic weightlifting doping program basically involved 2-10mg of Dianabol a day in the heavier weeks of their wave loaded training.

I doubt that many top level weightlifters, sprinters, cyclists, cross country skiiers are completely clean but they're not taking stuff that gives them a massive advantage because you simply can't with the improvements in testing.  PEDs that can get through current WADA testing are not a panacea for being a shit athlete. If you can't run low 10s or clean and jerk 180kg without them you're not going to suddenly win a gold medal with it.

Despite that I think the situation sucks for athletes. You're facing incredible pressure to succeed and succeding means doping for tiny gap between a doped oponent is still huge at elite level but doping is increasingly harder to get away with. Rock>athlete<hard place

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How am I making anything sound remotely like that?

Every cycle should be using testosterone (or at the very least tren), so I think it's fair to talk about the side effects of that as universal side effects of steroids. If they aren't using test, with that action, they are proving that they don't know what they are doing.

I'll go devils advocate:

Anecdotal evidence to the contrary:

Arnold and may others favorite cycles were deca and dbol.  Did arnie use test?  Most likely, but deca and dbol were his fav's and many others back in the day.

Also test, deca, dbol, tren, etc are easily tested for (much of the discussion has gone drugs in sports)so the goal isn;t better drugs it is less detectable ones.  Sacrifice better for not getting caught.

Lets get to studies: 

For DECADES, until the early 2000's, scientists claimed steroids did not improve  performance.  A study shows a correlation.  So what.  It does not equal causation.  Do they look at diet, exercise habits, etc...?  Face it they have their heads up their asses and the corporations asses they are supporting.

Last two points:

You will never know who did what.  So we will never know who juiced or took any other PED's (including the glory days).  Period!

And finally, you can see a problem, any problem, how about someone find a freakin solution?  In other words get off your lazy asses and try to fix something.  Get off the sidelines, like this forum, and come up with a solution, contact senators and congressmen, or organize protests.  Just fuckin do something that is for real!

Seriously if you care about it this much, then do something.

Otherwise you are just jerkin off onto your keyboard.

Mine is all crusty now so goodnight

PS wearing a yellow wristband is supporting a juicer.


Arnold also claimed he only took steroids for cutting. If he wasn't taking testosterone, maybe that's why he was 70 pounds less than Ronnie Coleman.

I assumed we were just talking about steroids for the recreational user. Not an athlete trying to get past tests.

I hate the you never know crap. Tons of people cheat the stock market with insider trading. Few get caught. We don't really know who does it. Does that mean we shouldn't be pissed at the people who do get caught and that they shouldn't get in trouble?

And I'm not really sure what your last rant is about. I wouldn't call myself a "lazy ass" for not "doing something" about this situation. Steroid use in sports aren't a big enough priority in my life where I'm going to waste years of my life trying to fight against it. But, that doesn't mean I shouldn't express my opinion about it.
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FWIW I agree with JC and also tychver, to an extent. I don't think succeeding necessarily means doping, but I do think the temptation and pressure to dope is probably very intense. Wouldn't know for sure, I'm not and never will be an elite athlete. I'm not saying that makes it right when athletes do cheat. But I sympathize with the difficulty of the choice they face.

Not, however, with the choices made by people who are guilty of legal and illegal financial shenanigans. Fuck those people. Athletes taking PEDs are messing with their own bodies and at worst are providing a bad example for fans and younger trainees. People fucking about with investments are playing with other people's money and wealth. Otherwise, it's not a bad comparison.
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FWIW I agree with JC and also tychver, to an extent. I don't think succeeding necessarily means doping, but I do think the temptation and pressure to dope is probably very intense. Wouldn't know for sure, I'm not and never will be an elite athlete. I'm not saying that makes it right when athletes do cheat. But I sympathize with the difficulty of the choice they face.

Not, however, with the choices made by people who are guilty of legal and illegal financial shenanigans. Fuck those people. Athletes taking PEDs are messing with their own bodies and at worst are providing a bad example for fans and younger trainees. People fucking about with investments are playing with other people's money and wealth. Otherwise, it's not a bad comparison.

Athletes who take PEDs are potentially taking away money from other athletes, and not to mention they are putting other athletes at risk. Boxers and MMA fighters taking PEDs to hit harder is a scary thought (and we all know how widespread PEDs are in combat sports)
« Last Edit: March 18, 2011, 11:15:32 am by JC »
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FWIW I agree with JC and also tychver, to an extent. I don't think succeeding necessarily means doping, but I do think the temptation and pressure to dope is probably very intense. Wouldn't know for sure, I'm not and never will be an elite athlete. I'm not saying that makes it right when athletes do cheat. But I sympathize with the difficulty of the choice they face.

Not, however, with the choices made by people who are guilty of legal and illegal financial shenanigans. Fuck those people. Athletes taking PEDs are messing with their own bodies and at worst are providing a bad example for fans and younger trainees. People fucking about with investments are playing with other people's money and wealth. Otherwise, it's not a bad comparison.

Athletes who take PEDs are potentially taking away money from other athletes, and not to mention they are putting other athletes at risk. Boxers and MMA fighters taking PEDs to hit harder is a scary thought (and we all know how widespread PEDs are in combat sports)

good point

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Sorry I didn't see this until now.

Some of those posts are mine and I don't know why you guys are acting like it's such a big deal. I've directed several people to my posts at mind and muscle over the years.

I never used anything stronger than creatine for any sorta vert gain. I was prescribed transdermal testosterone gel back when I was 29 because I had anemia from rheumatoid disease,  but I only took it for a month. I experimented with a few of the PHs back when they were legal between 2003-2004.  I was heavy into exploring metabolic regulation and physiology back then, and various supplements are a big part of that, but I never used anything illegally.   Mind and muscle used to take things to another level supplementwise, but it was a supplement and physiology board not a steroid board.

Re beating drug test...not my idea. You'd be surprised at the number of athletes that have asked ME about that sorta thing.

Re the snorting anti-depressants - inositol is hardly an anti-depressant. It's an all natural b-vitamin. I still take it occassionally for a good all natural boost and I've posted about it in multiple places, including the DB hammer forum.

RE: my opinion on drugs - I don't recommend them and don't talk about them unless someone asks. Most athletes will take them on their own and say nothing to their coach (see Brian Cushing).  I've never recommended any athlete take drugs, but I have had athletes come to me already on drugs. Failure to understand supplements, drugs, and the mechanisms in which they work is failure to understand a good bit about a reality of sports as well as understanding physiology.



 

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Alright, glad you posted. Since we know it's you, I'll just let the posts speak for themselves.
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The comment about "not even trying to diet without anabolic assistance" is particularly crazy, wtf? Taking t3 for fat loss wtf? I really hope he's clean of any of that shit, but I remember I had shown kb's latspread pic and some other pic to a coach who knows alot about roids/ped's, not even thinking about that angle, and the first thing he said was "looks like he just came off a cycle of .... ", I laughed thinking b.s., ...

Also this is freaking hilarious.  I weighed a grand total of about 162 in that pic.

The "not even try to diet without assistance" comment is specific to skinny-fat hardgainers trying to get extremely lean. which is what the thread was about. Sorry, but some people can't get lean and spare all their muscle without some type of anabolic assistance, whether natural or illegal.  I'm sure JC knows that too.
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The comment about "not even trying to diet without anabolic assistance" is particularly crazy, wtf? Taking t3 for fat loss wtf? I really hope he's clean of any of that shit, but I remember I had shown kb's latspread pic and some other pic to a coach who knows alot about roids/ped's, not even thinking about that angle, and the first thing he said was "looks like he just came off a cycle of .... ", I laughed thinking b.s., ...

Also this is freaking hilarious.  I weighed a grand total of about 162 in that pic.

The "not even try to diet without assistance" comment is specific to skinny-fat hardgainers trying to get extremely lean. which is what the thread was about. Sorry, but some people can't get lean and spare all their muscle without some type of anabolic assistance, whether natural or illegal.  I'm sure JC knows that too.

Really? It's hard for me to believe this...

edit: could we see those pics of you?