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Title: Note to ALL Trainers/S&C Coaches
Post by: mike.1283 on October 03, 2010, 08:10:16 pm
I'm posting to every forum I can, I'm calling out all trainers and S&C Coaches and telling everyone I'm working towards creating a better class of personal trainer and S&C Coach, there are a ton of trainers who have no clue (regarding training) and don't belong, they don't even understand the basics - example co-worker talking to a member the other day about 'Plantar Facsitis' clearly had no clue what she was talking about, I interrupted her and told him everything he needed to know.  I'm going to end up posting some Youtube vids in the next few weeks, and I'm going to be making some enemies, and I'm looking forward to it, I'm going to be saying what other trainers don't want me to say and what the clients need to hear.  Most trainers don't know what they're doing and people are going to begin to figure that all out.
The people who are in this industry need to figure it out, the term functional as in functional training, by itself means nothing about putting someone on a ball and having them squat, and it doesn't mean doing lateral raises while standing on a BOSU ball. Trainers and coaches need to be held more accountable, and its my personal belief that every trainer and coach should have the confidence to say to every client "If you follow exactly what I say and recommend then I will GUARANTEE results." Most forget to realize we're hired for 1 reason, to get results, and if we're not doing that then to put it simply, get out.
Title: Re: Note to ALL Trainers/S&C Coaches
Post by: TheSituation on October 03, 2010, 08:29:53 pm
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O and...

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Paragraphs are your friend. I agree with the overall message, but it's so hard to read it because its a block of text. Also calling out specific people on the internet might help
Title: Re: Note to ALL Trainers/S&C Coaches
Post by: LanceSTS on October 03, 2010, 08:35:42 pm
Good idea, start with the ones who dive head first into all the new bullshit gimmicky trashy ass programs that come out and post about them on the forums, misleading young, inexperienced athletes.  Next go to the "strength coaches" who are actually personal trainers at health and fitness clubs and have little to no experience working with actual ATHLETES.  After you destroy them, start working on the guys who just got their education and certifications and know everything there is to know about training, without having actually put it into practice yet.  Good idea man, those guys annoy the piss out of me.
Title: Re: Note to ALL Trainers/S&C Coaches
Post by: adarqui on October 04, 2010, 12:00:15 am
I'm posting to every forum I can, I'm calling out all trainers and S&C Coaches and telling everyone I'm working towards creating a better class of personal trainer and S&C Coach, there are a ton of trainers who have no clue (regarding training) and don't belong, they don't even understand the basics - example co-worker talking to a member the other day about 'Plantar Facsitis' clearly had no clue what she was talking about, I interrupted her and told him everything he needed to know.  I'm going to end up posting some Youtube vids in the next few weeks, and I'm going to be making some enemies, and I'm looking forward to it, I'm going to be saying what other trainers don't want me to say and what the clients need to hear.  Most trainers don't know what they're doing and people are going to begin to figure that all out.

well that's going to be a pretty hard task, the s&c field is really watered down & muddied.

My take on it is this, how do you really reach & effect the minds of those interested in improving their performance? You have to become elite, yourself, as a coach (or at least turn out some insane before/after results of your clients).. Until then, you'll never make enough noise to completely nullify anything the "scammers & bs artists" put out.. It just won't happen.. It is extremely rare that a coach goes from average to elite, in fact, it's probably never happened. If this path we are all on was so easy, we'd see insane transformations left & right being demonstrated, on youtube, on the net, etc. The closest thing I can think of, to that happening, is the Adam Archuletta story, but he definitely wasn't an average athlete regardless of what anyone is trying to tell you. The stir/buzz around him and his training caused a huge rift in the s&c world, ears & eyes were open, too bad it turned out the way it did.

So, even if you fail at making yourself elite, at least you have a better understanding of what it takes to BECOME elite.. it's so damn hard, it takes so much dedication, focus, some luck, and lack of injuries.. But that journey prepares someone better, when it comes to getting others results, than someone who just learned in a university, online, or did some internship. To understand the journey & what it takes, is what gives coaches that real edge in obtaining results with their athletes. Regardless of the actual goal, it all requires the same sacrifices by the athlete.. Becoming elite in marathon, 1mile run, 5k, weightlifting, sprinting, high jump, long jump, basketball, etc, all requires the same exact overall process, just different methods of training/programming.

So ya, no offense to 'Trainers and coaches" who don't do shit, i mean, i got no problem with them, but if they aren't constantly trying to improve themselves (or have never done so), then how could they understand what goes in to obtaining the absolute best transformations of their athletes. I don't see how it could be possible. Coaches/Trainers who have no real training experience, usually become the ones you are talking about: the bosu ball addicts, always trying to find some fancy stupid exercise & magic pill, etc. So that's why i bring that up.

How do we get people from 25 RVJ to 45, not from 25 to 35, etc.. not from 25 to 30.. not from 25 to 28 using "instant inches" etc.. It's a long process, utilizing fundamentals & simplicity to the fullest, and that's what true s&c is, that's what eventually needs to be "retaught" to the overall "athletic enhancement community".

I mean, that's my goal with this site, to get people on the track to getting real results, get out solid information, and be able to demonstrate all of these concepts we utilize here.. The overall goal is to make a huge dent in the industry, but my #1 way of going about it is to prove that I myself can hit 45" rvj, illustrate & document the process, etc.. Once people understand it takes a 300-400 page journal to achieve such results, then my little mission can spread :D

Who knows if it will happen (i believe fully that it will), but i'm damn sure trying pretty hard.. heh.



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The people who are in this industry need to figure it out, the term functional as in functional training, by itself means nothing about putting someone on a ball and having them squat, and it doesn't mean doing lateral raises while standing on a BOSU ball. Trainers and coaches need to be held more accountable, and its my personal belief that every trainer and coach should have the confidence to say to every client "If you follow exactly what I say and recommend then I will GUARANTEE results." Most forget to realize we're hired for 1 reason, to get results, and if we're not doing that then to put it simply, get out.

It is definitely all about results, I 100% agree with that.. Unfortunately, most performance centers get you results on things that don't matter, such as box jump height, ladder drills, balance drills, etc.. Don't talk to me unless it improves your:

- running vertical jump
- standing vertical jump
- broad jump
- sprint times
- lateral shuttle/3-cone
- shuttle run conditioning tests/400m/something (optional)
- sport specific improvement/in game performance
- etc

In regards to performance enhancement, I could care less if someone adds 200 lb to their squat if they didn't gain in any performance variables, to me, all that means is they got slower.

peace man
Title: Re: Note to ALL Trainers/S&C Coaches
Post by: adarqui on October 04, 2010, 12:01:33 am
Good idea, start with the ones who dive head first into all the new bullshit gimmicky trashy ass programs that come out and post about them on the forums, misleading young, inexperienced athletes.  Next go to the "strength coaches" who are actually personal trainers at health and fitness clubs and have little to no experience working with actual ATHLETES.  After you destroy them, start working on the guys who just got their education and certifications and know everything there is to know about training, without having actually put it into practice yet.  Good idea man, those guys annoy the piss out of me.

see, lanceSTS is a beast, athlete, coach, forum commando.


:)
Title: Re: Note to ALL Trainers/S&C Coaches
Post by: adarqui on October 04, 2010, 12:16:49 am
part of my little rant above, was this, just to clarify.. it's easy as a coach, to get a freak/advanced athlete, and keep them from getting hurt, and just have them train to train.. but it is obviously not even close to as easy, taking those dealt a bad hand in the "Genetic pool" to freak status.. their are far more people in that boat, who want to become advanced, yet never go anywhere.. who truly have a passion for obtaining that level for performance, yet, are just constantly pointed in the wrong direction.. changing that is hard, but the only way i see it happenings is through actual demonstrations of true transformations, which is extremely rare.

peace
Title: Re: Note to ALL Trainers/S&C Coaches
Post by: JackW on October 04, 2010, 01:22:58 am

How do we get people from 25 RVJ to 45, not from 25 to 35, etc.. not from 25 to 30.. not from 25 to 28 using "instant inches" etc.. It's a long process, utilizing fundamentals & simplicity to the fullest, and that's what true s&c is, that's what eventually needs to be "retaught" to the overall "athletic enhancement community".

I mean, that's my goal with this site, to get people on the track to getting real results, get out solid information, and be able to demonstrate all of these concepts we utilize here.. The overall goal is to make a huge dent in the industry, but my #1 way of going about it is to prove that I myself can hit 45" rvj, illustrate & document the process, etc.. Once people understand it takes a 300-400 page journal to achieve such results, then my little mission can spread :D


Well said Andrew. And you are right about getting people to understand the time, effort, and dedication required to truly become awesome at something. 10 sec 100m sprint times aren't achieved in 1 year of training, it takes years.
Title: Re: Note to ALL Trainers/S&C Coaches
Post by: adarqui on October 04, 2010, 06:25:25 am

How do we get people from 25 RVJ to 45, not from 25 to 35, etc.. not from 25 to 30.. not from 25 to 28 using "instant inches" etc.. It's a long process, utilizing fundamentals & simplicity to the fullest, and that's what true s&c is, that's what eventually needs to be "retaught" to the overall "athletic enhancement community".

I mean, that's my goal with this site, to get people on the track to getting real results, get out solid information, and be able to demonstrate all of these concepts we utilize here.. The overall goal is to make a huge dent in the industry, but my #1 way of going about it is to prove that I myself can hit 45" rvj, illustrate & document the process, etc.. Once people understand it takes a 300-400 page journal to achieve such results, then my little mission can spread :D


Well said Andrew. And you are right about getting people to understand the time, effort, and dedication required to truly become awesome at something. 10 sec 100m sprint times aren't achieved in 1 year of training, it takes years.

yeah man

peace!
Title: Re: Note to ALL Trainers/S&C Coaches
Post by: TheSituation on October 04, 2010, 01:05:42 pm
Steroids or not, look at Brian Cushing

(http://crackbillionair.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/brian-cushing-lifting-weights.jpg)


(http://www.inewscatcher.com/timages/ca55e021db257873e8b1f25d85b99c30.jpg)



Those are the types of results we should see (or whatever you can do naturally), not being shown a genetic freak jumping 40 inches even though we have no idea where they started.

And it actually should produce results on the football field (or whatever they play). Cushing is one of the top linebackers in the NFL.
Title: Re: Note to ALL Trainers/S&C Coaches
Post by: adarqui on October 04, 2010, 07:37:58 pm
Steroids or not, look at Brian Cushing

(http://crackbillionair.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/brian-cushing-lifting-weights.jpg)


(http://www.inewscatcher.com/timages/ca55e021db257873e8b1f25d85b99c30.jpg)



Those are the types of results we should see (or whatever you can do naturally), not being shown a genetic freak jumping 40 inches even though we have no idea where they started.

And it actually should produce results on the football field (or whatever they play). Cushing is one of the top linebackers in the NFL.

cushing did get enormous, he's definitely an impressive athlete.
Title: Re: Note to ALL Trainers/S&C Coaches
Post by: Raptor on October 05, 2010, 02:53:15 am
I could get enormous with the right... "stuff".

By stuff I obviously mean training, there's no side kick to whatever else :-X
Title: Re: Note to ALL Trainers/S&C Coaches
Post by: TheSituation on October 05, 2010, 04:57:39 pm
I could get enormous with the right... "stuff".

By stuff I obviously mean training, there's no side kick to whatever else :-X

I doubt you'd get much bigger than where he started with the right "training".
Title: Re: Note to ALL Trainers/S&C Coaches
Post by: BMully on October 06, 2010, 07:58:20 pm
I could get enormous with the right... "stuff".

By stuff I obviously mean training, there's no side kick to whatever else :-X

I doubt you'd get much bigger than where he started with the right "training".

JC could you get big with the right "stuff"

p.s. your reply is hilarious homie
Title: Re: Note to ALL Trainers/S&C Coaches
Post by: adarqui on October 06, 2010, 10:32:04 pm
I could get enormous with the right... "stuff".

By stuff I obviously mean training, there's no side kick to whatever else :-X

I doubt you'd get much bigger than where he started with the right "training".

i disagree, it's pretty easy to get huge when roiding.
Title: Re: Note to ALL Trainers/S&C Coaches
Post by: TheSituation on October 07, 2010, 12:20:20 am
I could get enormous with the right... "stuff".

By stuff I obviously mean training, there's no side kick to whatever else :-X

I doubt you'd get much bigger than where he started with the right "training".

i disagree, it's pretty easy to get huge when roiding.


Cushing believe it or not is around 220 pounds in that picture. Raptor looks 150 pounds in his videos.


And Bmully, his starting point is around where I'd like to get lol. I do not think I could get as big as Brian Cushing even using the right "training" for my entire life.

Title: Re: Note to ALL Trainers/S&C Coaches
Post by: Raptor on October 07, 2010, 03:37:20 am
Yeah I look 150 but you've never seen my glutes.

THEY ARE HUGE! ;D
Title: Re: Note to ALL Trainers/S&C Coaches
Post by: steven-miller on October 07, 2010, 10:57:53 am
I want to chime in regarding results and about how long it takes to achieve them. One thing that needs to be realized is that progress is fast in the beginning and gets slower the more advanced one becomes. Therefore it is easy to get results at first and gets harder progressively. There are two consequences to be concluded from this observation:

1) Trainers who don't get radical improvements with their clients regarding athleticism during the first months of training will probably never get any results whatsoever. They should therefore really not be in this profession. So if a coach cannot even get an athletes vertical up the first 4-6 easy inches and make him stronger and better performing on the field a few months after the trainee first showed up in what is his first serious training situation, all hope is lost. I therefore suggest that we start with calling out those who do not regularly get kids from totally untrained and useless on the field to actual athletes.

2) I hate to be the one raining on the parade, but this conclusion also implies that someone who gained 10 inches on his vertical in 1 year won't gain another 10 inches in the next one or even get remotely similar gains to that initial period. That is unless you are in fact very gifted and did not really seriously train to get such improvements. That is where the "slow progress" period begins and for many going down that road will not even be worth the trouble. Several of us are in that boat now I believe and most have decided that training is worthwhile in and off itself. I would continue to try to improve, even if my last PR was half a year ago. But we all should realize that the golden period of S&C where trainers get their clients verticals up 20 inches is very unlikely to actually ever happen. Even if such improvements are possible to obtain for a natural athlete, the costs towards the end will exceed the benefits at the end of this stage for all but the very determined or elite athletes.
Title: Re: Note to ALL Trainers/S&C Coaches
Post by: adarqui on October 07, 2010, 06:21:35 pm
I want to chime in regarding results and about how long it takes to achieve them. One thing that needs to be realized is that progress is fast in the beginning and gets slower the more advanced one becomes. Therefore it is easy to get results at first and gets harder progressively. There are two consequences to be concluded from this observation:

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1) Trainers who don't get radical improvements with their clients regarding athleticism during the first months of training will probably never get any results whatsoever. They should therefore really not be in this profession. So if a coach cannot even get an athletes vertical up the first 4-6 easy inches and make him stronger and better performing on the field a few months after the trainee first showed up in what is his first serious training situation, all hope is lost. I therefore suggest that we start with calling out those who do not regularly get kids from totally untrained and useless on the field to actual athletes.

good point, a major problem with performance facilities around here is this: they demonstrate *remarkable* improvements in the athletes training there, except, remarkable is the keyword, instead of improvements in vj/speed/important things, they see improvements in agility ladder drills and similar drills, which they pass off as performance improvements.


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2) I hate to be the one raining on the parade, but this conclusion also implies that someone who gained 10 inches on his vertical in 1 year won't gain another 10 inches in the next one or even get remotely similar gains to that initial period. That is unless you are in fact very gifted and did not really seriously train to get such improvements. That is where the "slow progress" period begins and for many going down that road will not even be worth the trouble. Several of us are in that boat now I believe and most have decided that training is worthwhile in and off itself. I would continue to try to improve, even if my last PR was half a year ago. But we all should realize that the golden period of S&C where trainers get their clients verticals up 20 inches is very unlikely to actually ever happen. Even if such improvements are possible to obtain for a natural athlete, the costs towards the end will exceed the benefits at the end of this stage for all but the very determined or elite athletes.

ya, it's definitely a long process (multi yearly).

peace man nice post.
Title: Re: Note to ALL Trainers/S&C Coaches
Post by: mike.1283 on October 08, 2010, 06:27:39 pm
Good posts, thanks for input.  The 1st trainer I worked with (before I got certified myself) was a bodybuilder, but didn't know anything at all.  I lost about 15lbs without dieting and I got a lot stronger, but my vert actually got worse at 1st, and then I ended up with the slight injury issues.
That's 1 thing I've tried preaching to others when people have emailed me/messaged me for advice on getting "THE PERFECT PROGRAM is they are going to see really good results to start out, if they follow something that's legit.  So I try and encourage people not to waste time, and go hard at it, and really be consistent.

I'm at a point in my own training where my strength has plateau'd and my plyos have been very limited due to my ankle that just won't seem to get better.  My weight is actually going down slightly tho, so I'm starting to see slight improvements.
Title: Re: Note to ALL Trainers/S&C Coaches
Post by: nba8340 on October 10, 2010, 06:08:30 pm
when are these videos coming out mike?
Title: Re: Note to ALL Trainers/S&C Coaches
Post by: mike.1283 on October 11, 2010, 06:25:09 pm
Not sure on when my vids are comin out, my friend finally got a camera that he wants to use and he actually got a 'green screen' from his work, which he wants to incorporate, so now its just a matter of us getting on the same page and figuring out times and a location for us to shoot informative vids.  I have a handful of topics lined up that I want to cover, and its been taking a lot longer than I would've ever expected.
Title: Re: Note to ALL Trainers/S&C Coaches
Post by: BMully on October 28, 2010, 06:37:40 pm


And Bmully, his starting point is around where I'd like to get lol.


wtf does that mean? i am trying to understand

p.s. in the pic of those mofo's, bitch on far right is fucking jacked!!
Title: Re: Note to ALL Trainers/S&C Coaches
Post by: bball2020 on October 28, 2010, 09:06:07 pm
wish my "strength coaches" in HS would have had me do these 4 things a TON more, IMO would have made a HUGE difference in everything (football and BBALL player)

1) Sprint- all the freaking time

2)Max effort jumps - rvj,vj,broad jumps, and rebound jumps(depth jumps etc)

3) Squat and squat some more (free and supplemented with BSS too)

4) GHR GHR GHR!  didnt have good machine so on foam roller and eventually natural

Any HS athlete, do the above

would be twice the athlete i am today if i would have done these things instead of(but not limited to)
bench and more bench, more upper body, box squats, ladder drills, a million different agility drills, different "speed drils", random and un productive conditioning, any lower body lift besides the above three lifts, parachutes,
Title: Re: Note to ALL Trainers/S&C Coaches
Post by: Raptor on October 29, 2010, 08:36:54 am
Well yes you would've... but then again, figuring it out now, you still have time to implement them.
Title: Re: Note to ALL Trainers/S&C Coaches
Post by: TheSituation on October 29, 2010, 11:25:55 am


And Bmully, his starting point is around where I'd like to get lol.


wtf does that mean? i am trying to understand

p.s. in the pic of those mofo's, bitch on far right is fucking jacked!!

Look at the first picture. That is my ideal body until I become ronnie coleman

And I'm pretty sure the black guy is Taylor Mays. I can't really tell (no racist)