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Re: Stronglifts
« Reply #15 on: January 20, 2011, 04:55:57 am »
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OMG YOU GUYS. People are ONLY qualified to give lifting advice if they're HUGE AND JAKT. I would never trust a skinny-ass punk, say, some random dude down in Florida who's trying to pass 150 pounds in the wrong direction, to give me lifting advice. Only a pussy would do that. Am I right?


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Re: Stronglifts
« Reply #16 on: January 20, 2011, 05:04:50 am »
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OMG YOU GUYS. People are ONLY qualified to give lifting advice if they're HUGE AND JAKT. I would never trust a skinny-ass punk, say, some random dude down in Florida who's trying to pass 150 pounds in the wrong direction, to give me lifting advice. Only a pussy would do that. Am I right?


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Re: Stronglifts
« Reply #17 on: February 14, 2011, 11:37:51 pm »
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At least Stronglifts 5x5 has been pointing people away from pointless body-building routines for beginners, and it's getting people into squats and deadlifting. Also, it's getting mainstream.

Mainstream program centered around 5x5 squats? Way to go! And you're making a living out of that?? Great!

I applaud him for that, but that's where it ends. He's not any smarter than "focus 90% of your training on the stuff that gives 90% of the results," and that's unfortunate after ELEVEN YEARZ of weightlifting.
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Re: Stronglifts
« Reply #18 on: February 21, 2011, 01:32:19 pm »
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At least Stronglifts 5x5 has been pointing people away from pointless body-building routines for beginners, and it's getting people into squats and deadlifting. Also, it's getting mainstream.

Mainstream program centered around 5x5 squats? Way to go! And you're making a living out of that?? Great!

I applaud him for that, but that's where it ends. He's not any smarter than "focus 90% of your training on the stuff that gives 90% of the results," and that's unfortunate after ELEVEN YEARZ of weightlifting.

I see more and more people getting into squatting and deadlifting due to stronglifts, which is a good thing.

I have no problem with affiliate programs and similar, coz after all, people have to make money and he's recommending good products. What I don't like right now is that Mehdi seems to have fully locked the forum for non-members. i.e. Guests can't even access it and read anything on it.
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Re: Stronglifts
« Reply #19 on: February 22, 2011, 03:02:56 pm »
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At least Stronglifts 5x5 has been pointing people away from pointless body-building routines for beginners, and it's getting people into squats and deadlifting. Also, it's getting mainstream.

Mainstream program centered around 5x5 squats? Way to go! And you're making a living out of that?? Great!

I applaud him for that, but that's where it ends. He's not any smarter than "focus 90% of your training on the stuff that gives 90% of the results," and that's unfortunate after ELEVEN YEARZ of weightlifting.

I see more and more people getting into squatting and deadlifting due to stronglifts, which is a good thing.

I have no problem with affiliate programs and similar, coz after all, people have to make money and he's recommending good products. What I don't like right now is that Mehdi seems to have fully locked the forum for non-members. i.e. Guests can't even access it and read anything on it.

He's using it to throw a forum membership in as a bonus if you buy other programs. I don't have a problem with that; its a shitty forum with a bunch of nuthuggers anyway.
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Re: Stronglifts
« Reply #20 on: February 25, 2011, 09:00:41 pm »
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At least Stronglifts 5x5 has been pointing people away from pointless body-building routines for beginners, and it's getting people into squats and deadlifting. Also, it's getting mainstream.

Mainstream program centered around 5x5 squats? Way to go! And you're making a living out of that?? Great!

I applaud him for that, but that's where it ends. He's not any smarter than "focus 90% of your training on the stuff that gives 90% of the results," and that's unfortunate after ELEVEN YEARZ of weightlifting.

I see more and more people getting into squatting and deadlifting due to stronglifts, which is a good thing.

I have no problem with affiliate programs and similar, coz after all, people have to make money and he's recommending good products. What I don't like right now is that Mehdi seems to have fully locked the forum for non-members. i.e. Guests can't even access it and read anything on it.

Yeah this happened pretty recently and I don't like him for that.
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Re: Stronglifts
« Reply #21 on: February 25, 2011, 11:29:40 pm »
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private forums are lame, don't care who is running the forum.. the only reason to keep a forum private is to:

1. make money
2. hide your dumb ass comments
3. make you look more exclusive

all 3 of those reasons are stupid to me, even the make money one.. if the entire forum's purpose is to ask you questions, then it makes a bit more sense, since you're spending time replying to everyone (but then it's not a forum, it's a paid q&a), but to create "paid communities" is really lame to me.. evolution can't possibly take place in those hell holes, beneficial evolution anyway.. digression, sure, look at db forum members who helped digress the s&c industry (maroko/allan) for profit, or CCJ who helped digress it not-for-profit.. everyone CCJ talked to became a "squat obsessed nut who doesn't place enough emphasis on fitness, body composition, and reactive work".

what's the newest paid s&c forum, the new vertfreak forum??? pretty cool, now they can recommend squatflex without us knowing, good move.

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Re: Stronglifts
« Reply #22 on: February 27, 2011, 07:18:33 am »
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how's CCJ doing these days? where does he post?
anywhere we can see his posts?
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Re: Stronglifts
« Reply #23 on: February 27, 2011, 04:09:20 pm »
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how's CCJ doing these days? where does he post?
anywhere we can see his posts?

he doesn't train anymore apparently :/

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Re: Stronglifts
« Reply #24 on: February 27, 2011, 04:16:59 pm »
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private forums are lame, don't care who is running the forum.. the only reason to keep a forum private is to:

1. make money
2. hide your dumb ass comments
3. make you look more exclusive

all 3 of those reasons are stupid to me, even the make money one.. if the entire forum's purpose is to ask you questions, then it makes a bit more sense, since you're spending time replying to everyone (but then it's not a forum, it's a paid q&a), but to create "paid communities" is really lame to me.. evolution can't possibly take place in those hell holes, beneficial evolution anyway.. digression, sure, look at db forum members who helped digress the s&c industry (maroko/allan) for profit, or CCJ who helped digress it not-for-profit.. everyone CCJ talked to became a "squat obsessed nut who doesn't place enough emphasis on fitness, body composition, and reactive work".

what's the newest paid s&c forum, the new vertfreak forum??? pretty cool, now they can recommend squatflex without us knowing, good move.


LOL @ for "non profit"!

Its sad the way that forum ended up, I have read around there a little lately and there are a ton of great posts from actual COACHES on there, and then these kids inhaled their info made scammy shit out of it.  Alex, Kelly, that damn ginroth dude, etc., lots of good posts in there, sad that ended up the way it did.
« Last Edit: February 27, 2011, 04:48:42 pm by LanceSTS »
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Re: Stronglifts
« Reply #25 on: February 27, 2011, 04:46:03 pm »
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private forums are lame, don't care who is running the forum.. the only reason to keep a forum private is to:

1. make money
2. hide your dumb ass comments
3. make you look more exclusive

all 3 of those reasons are stupid to me, even the make money one.. if the entire forum's purpose is to ask you questions, then it makes a bit more sense, since you're spending time replying to everyone (but then it's not a forum, it's a paid q&a), but to create "paid communities" is really lame to me.. evolution can't possibly take place in those hell holes, beneficial evolution anyway.. digression, sure, look at db forum members who helped digress the s&c industry (maroko/allan) for profit, or CCJ who helped digress it not-for-profit.. everyone CCJ talked to became a "squat obsessed nut who doesn't place enough emphasis on fitness, body composition, and reactive work".

what's the newest paid s&c forum, the new vertfreak forum??? pretty cool, now they can recommend squatflex without us knowing, good move.


LOL @ for "non profit"!

Its sad the way that forum ended up, I have read around there a little lately and there are a ton of great posts from actual COACHES on there, and then these kids inhaled there info made scammy shit out of it.  Alex, Kelly, that damn ginroth dude, etc., lots of good posts in there, sad that ended up the way it did.

hah yea, there's tons of great posts by the coaches you mentioned.

bottom line though, that forum was doomed from the start, inno is based on scams & stems from some jay schroeder witchcraft BS. it's no wonder the most effective s&c scammers of today were born out of that forum. that forum's biggest "transformation" is a guy (ant) who already could jump 40 SVJ, gets ACL reconstruction, then does inno, reaching 40 again.. other than that, tons of stagnation (for years on end) & extreme mental masturbation.



re ccj "LOL @ for "non profit"!" <-- lol ya thats another issue

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Re: Stronglifts
« Reply #26 on: February 27, 2011, 06:40:19 pm »
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Hi Guys

I am going to take an alternate view on the paid forum thing. Provided you are giving good information that helps athletes (so no squat flex promotion for example) I see no issue with charging a fee. Essentially the owner of the private forum is providing their time and expertise to help athletes reach their goals. If the person running the forum and is a professional coach then they are doing their paying clients a diservice by giving away their time for free.

Essentially the paid forum is just a way for a coach to reach more people. If your profession is helping athletes then you deserve to be paid for your time and effort. And for something like $10 a month that is pretty cheap if any questions you have are answered by someone who knows their shit and those answeres are helpful to you in achieving your goals.

Not everything is about getting rich quick by scammers, but if are providing a service you are entitiled to a fee. By keeping the forum private you are essentially telling people - look, here is my forum you can ask me as many questions as you like and I will help you out. The reason I will help you out because you are paying me for my time. If you don't want my help, no worries, at least you are not going to waste my time.

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Re: Stronglifts
« Reply #27 on: February 27, 2011, 10:03:42 pm »
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Hi Guys

I am going to take an alternate view on the paid forum thing. Provided you are giving good information that helps athletes (so no squat flex promotion for example) I see no issue with charging a fee. Essentially the owner of the private forum is providing their time and expertise to help athletes reach their goals. If the person running the forum and is a professional coach then they are doing their paying clients a diservice by giving away their time for free.

Essentially the paid forum is just a way for a coach to reach more people. If your profession is helping athletes then you deserve to be paid for your time and effort. And for something like $10 a month that is pretty cheap if any questions you have are answered by someone who knows their shit and those answeres are helpful to you in achieving your goals.

Not everything is about getting rich quick by scammers, but if are providing a service you are entitiled to a fee. By keeping the forum private you are essentially telling people - look, here is my forum you can ask me as many questions as you like and I will help you out. The reason I will help you out because you are paying me for my time. If you don't want my help, no worries, at least you are not going to waste my time.

Jack


I agree with you Jack that coaches can charge for their time and information and people will gladly pay for good information that they consider useful. I dont think any of the stuff about the paid forums was directed toward you nor should it be imo, Im pretty sure its directed more towards people who posted on their public forums with negative experiences either due to bad and wrong info, or trying to market trash.  The problem with alot of the "paid" sites is that is simply a way to close the forum out so that people who are not really coaches and scammers can get away with things they would be bashed for on a public forum. But if a legit coach wants to have his own pay site more power to them.  


  I disagree with the part in bold though, I get paid very well for my time training athletes in person, and I dont consider my helping people online a diservice to my clients at all, and it is night and day different actually training people in your gym than helping people over the internet.  I am very open with my clientel and not one single person has ever had a problem with it, some of them even come on the forums and read my posts as well post their own experiences.

   Training and coaching athletes in person is much much different than answering questions and helping them online, there are tons of things that differ between people "coaching" online vs, coaching in person, in my experience athletes enjoy the fact that information that has helped them succeed is being put out to help others rather than the typical marketing bullshit that fills the internet.  In my experience the ones who want things to be "secret" are the ones that are either very unsuccessful or dont have what it takes to be a real athlete in the first place.  Real athletes know that the time THEY put in, IN THE GYM, using effective methods will be more than enough to give them edge over someone else who reads the principles and methods they use.  They are not one bit worried about their "secrets" being shared and many times my high school and college athletes share what they are doing with their teamates.  Its what they put into effective methods that matters in the end and they know that, that is why they are successful, not holding some inner training secret that if made public would allow all the other athletes to catch up to them.
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Re: Stronglifts
« Reply #28 on: February 28, 2011, 01:28:45 am »
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hiller has a private forum right? I bet if we had access to it, it would be pure comedy, leg press your way to greatness, squatflex your way to supir hopz, check out my awesome bloody wrist pics, oh here's my dunking from freethrow line just a pic though, how to increase your explosion, etc.

definitely money well spent.


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Re: Stronglifts
« Reply #29 on: February 28, 2011, 02:51:32 am »
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I dont think any of the stuff about the paid forums was directed toward you nor should it be imo,

No dramas Lance. I actually don't have a forum of any kind so I didn't feel Andrew's attack was directed at myself.

Also I see your point about helping people for free on forums being rewarding in itself, and a completely different thing to training athletes in person. I actually think helping people online is a very difficult thing to do because people ask questions and then don't provide anywhere near the amount of background information required in order to provide a decent, relevant response. They ask a question and then you need to ask them 10 questions of your own in order to respond to their first question. Very time consuming.

Which is why I have no issue in people getting paid for their advice, and is also the reason I don't help people online unless they are customers of mine. I have 2 small kids I like to play with, an xbox that largely gets ignored, my own training goals to achieve, a hot wife, and a MASSIVE home loan, and time spent helping people out to create programs for free etc is time spent away from them. I enormously respect people such as yourself and Andrew who do help out with good advice though.

I also see Andrews point about certain private forums being potential havens for extreme bullshit, and sadly, for the inexperienced or uneducated athlete, they don't know they are getting bullshit (or heavily tainted by money) advice.

JW