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Title: Stronglifts
Post by: TheSituation on October 12, 2010, 12:53:58 pm
Not much to say about the subject, but the owner of the site, mehdi, doesn't look like he should be giving anyone advice.

(http://stronglifts.com/wp-content/uploads/mehdi-2010.jpg)


It doesn't even look like he lifts.

GOMAD.
Title: Re: Stronglifts
Post by: LBSS on October 12, 2010, 01:54:42 pm
OMG YOU GUYS. People are ONLY qualified to give lifting advice if they're HUGE AND JAKT. I would never trust a skinny-ass punk, say, some random dude down in Florida who's trying to pass 150 pounds in the wrong direction, to give me lifting advice. Only a pussy would do that. Am I right?
Title: Re: Stronglifts
Post by: vag on October 12, 2010, 04:32:06 pm
OMG YOU GUYS. People are ONLY qualified to give lifting advice if they're HUGE AND JAKT. I would never trust a skinny-ass punk, say, some random dude down in Florida who's trying to pass 150 pounds in the wrong direction, to give me lifting advice. Only a pussy would do that. Am I right?

x2 , dont judge the book from the cover!

Note 1 : he is not so bad built anyway...
Note 2 : i know nothing about stronglift , it could be totally BS , thats not the point!
Title: Re: Stronglifts
Post by: TheSituation on October 12, 2010, 07:38:38 pm
OMG YOU GUYS. People are ONLY qualified to give lifting advice if they're HUGE AND JAKT. I would never trust a skinny-ass punk, say, some random dude down in Florida who's trying to pass 150 pounds in the wrong direction, to give me lifting advice. Only a pussy would do that. Am I right?

Here are some quotes that he has said, which I don't think he's qualified to make.

"Good News! – The strength training and nutrition strategies you’ll discover in the coming months are all based on simple foundations. I probably shouldn’t be telling you this, but gaining muscle and strength is really piece of cake once you know how, and involves a lot of good old fashioned common sense.

After training for more than 11 years, I’ve concluded that effective strength and muscle building has 3 key ingredients, no one more or less important than the other 2. To keep everything organized, I’ve put them together in my TRIANGLE OF STRENGTH AND MUSCLE BUILDING. Here’s my Triangle…"



His lifts are garbage too. His max bench was like 225, and he's been lifting for 11 years, with the goal of getting "stronger"


It's not just that he looks like this, he actually thinks he looks good and is strong, but he is not. If he thinks he looks good and is strong, is that really the kind of guy you want to trust? Mehdi is also an arrogant prick and bans people (me) who question him on his site. All his information is stolen from Mark Rippetoe and Bill Starr.

Adarq has gotten results for himself, and others. I think that is the type of guy I'd want to listen to. Mehdi has done neither, but acts like its so easy. It's insulting to people who've actually gotten results to hear what they did is a "piece of cake"
Title: Re: Stronglifts
Post by: TheSituation on November 28, 2010, 02:12:34 pm
I know I said I was gonna take a break from training websites for a bit, but today I found out stronglifts has over 5000 facebook fans, and probably is getting 100k hits a day. Pathetic.

For the marketers, this is proof people want simpler, not necessarily the best

The one thing I do like about mehdi is he is honest about his intentions. He says that his number 1 intention is to make money. And apparently he's doing well at that.
Title: Re: Stronglifts
Post by: Zetz on November 28, 2010, 08:39:05 pm
I could care less about the founder. The only reason I ever go there is for the nutrition section. It's laid out really simply and isn't loaded with BS claims. Other than that, I really don't care much for the site.
Title: Re: Stronglifts
Post by: adarqui on November 29, 2010, 01:13:19 am
i really have no opinion of him/stronglifts, ive only been to the site once, when you (jcsbck) posted me some thread (and then you got banned for posting a counter to one of his posts).

hehe

pc
Title: Re: Stronglifts
Post by: DamienZ on November 29, 2010, 04:17:40 am
sems to me like he only writes stuff that he has read elsewhere and lots of it is bro-science
isnt his program just starting strength with curls and other useless stuff added?
Title: Re: Stronglifts
Post by: Zetz on November 29, 2010, 09:19:32 am
sems to me like he only writes stuff that he has read elsewhere and lots of it is bro-science
isnt his program just starting strength with curls and other useless stuff added?

Pretty much.
Title: Re: Stronglifts
Post by: TheSituation on December 30, 2010, 01:12:37 am
lol he "closed" membership to his forum
Title: Re: Stronglifts
Post by: adarqui on December 30, 2010, 01:20:19 am
lol he "closed" membership to his forum

y
Title: Re: Stronglifts
Post by: TheSituation on December 30, 2010, 05:58:16 pm
lol he "closed" membership to his forum

y

No idea. He had a whole email about how he makes money and all this crap.
Title: Re: Stronglifts
Post by: JoelJ on January 11, 2011, 04:06:12 pm
Actually, stronglifts has no curls or isolation movements.

It's pretty much inspired by Glenn Pendlay's strength workout, which in itself, was a variation of Bill Starr's original program AFAIK (Just like SS is). It's a straight forward 5x5 squat-based program that has you do just compound movements.

It's a great beginner program if you still need to learn the movements. You can switch to 3x5 or one of the SS programs later on when the 5x5 takes too much time to do.

As for his lifts, They're not bad at all. here's a quote from his website:

Quote
My goals are a 1200lbs raw total at 165 body-weight. I don’t test my 1RMs often and I’m not a powerlifter, but I did an easy 440lbs deadlift recently, so the 3xBW deadlift (500lbs for me) should be there soon. 400lbs Box Squat should also not be that much of a problem unless my lower back starts acting funny again (did an easy 374lbs Box Squat recently – Box Squats are harder than regular Squats for the record). Frankly, that 300lbs Bench Press is going to be the biggest challenge with my unresolved right shoulder issues so far.

I am in no way affiliated with stronglifts. I just think it's a good strength program, though I'm not a big fan of some of the latest blog posts.
Title: Re: Stronglifts
Post by: BMully on January 11, 2011, 08:58:18 pm
what's wrong with the 5x5 for begginers like me?

also, some of his articles are kinda informing looking at it from my prospective.

just checking though, are those stats and pic up to date Jc? Just checking bro..

A simpler program works for alot of good genetics type of people imo, I can hear alot of people get resutls at my school doing a program like strong lifts..Actually, I think that the football team does that sort of routine in offseason. I am not there right now due to track. Many football players only do that workout routine, and it works for a lucky few and shows a few results for others.

Title: Re: Stronglifts
Post by: TheSituation on January 18, 2011, 05:04:13 pm
what's wrong with the 5x5 for begginers like me?

also, some of his articles are kinda informing looking at it from my prospective.

just checking though, are those stats and pic up to date Jc? Just checking bro..

A simpler program works for alot of good genetics type of people imo, I can hear alot of people get resutls at my school doing a program like strong lifts..Actually, I think that the football team does that sort of routine in offseason. I am not there right now due to track. Many football players only do that workout routine, and it works for a lucky few and shows a few results for others.



I have no problem with the program, I have a problem with him acting like it's so easy to get in good shape while he looks like crap. That's like a C student claiming it's easy to get As. It's insulting to those who have actually made progress.
Title: Re: Stronglifts
Post by: Sean0013 on January 20, 2011, 04:55:57 am
OMG YOU GUYS. People are ONLY qualified to give lifting advice if they're HUGE AND JAKT. I would never trust a skinny-ass punk, say, some random dude down in Florida who's trying to pass 150 pounds in the wrong direction, to give me lifting advice. Only a pussy would do that. Am I right?


HAHAHAHAHA...
Title: Re: Stronglifts
Post by: Raptor on January 20, 2011, 05:04:50 am
OMG YOU GUYS. People are ONLY qualified to give lifting advice if they're HUGE AND JAKT. I would never trust a skinny-ass punk, say, some random dude down in Florida who's trying to pass 150 pounds in the wrong direction, to give me lifting advice. Only a pussy would do that. Am I right?


HAHAHAHAHA...

That structure sounds familiar... :ninja:
Title: Re: Stronglifts
Post by: Dreyth on February 14, 2011, 11:37:51 pm
At least Stronglifts 5x5 has been pointing people away from pointless body-building routines for beginners, and it's getting people into squats and deadlifting. Also, it's getting mainstream.

Mainstream program centered around 5x5 squats? Way to go! And you're making a living out of that?? Great!

I applaud him for that, but that's where it ends. He's not any smarter than "focus 90% of your training on the stuff that gives 90% of the results," and that's unfortunate after ELEVEN YEARZ of weightlifting.
Title: Re: Stronglifts
Post by: JoelJ on February 21, 2011, 01:32:19 pm
At least Stronglifts 5x5 has been pointing people away from pointless body-building routines for beginners, and it's getting people into squats and deadlifting. Also, it's getting mainstream.

Mainstream program centered around 5x5 squats? Way to go! And you're making a living out of that?? Great!

I applaud him for that, but that's where it ends. He's not any smarter than "focus 90% of your training on the stuff that gives 90% of the results," and that's unfortunate after ELEVEN YEARZ of weightlifting.

I see more and more people getting into squatting and deadlifting due to stronglifts, which is a good thing.

I have no problem with affiliate programs and similar, coz after all, people have to make money and he's recommending good products. What I don't like right now is that Mehdi seems to have fully locked the forum for non-members. i.e. Guests can't even access it and read anything on it.
Title: Re: Stronglifts
Post by: TheSituation on February 22, 2011, 03:02:56 pm
At least Stronglifts 5x5 has been pointing people away from pointless body-building routines for beginners, and it's getting people into squats and deadlifting. Also, it's getting mainstream.

Mainstream program centered around 5x5 squats? Way to go! And you're making a living out of that?? Great!

I applaud him for that, but that's where it ends. He's not any smarter than "focus 90% of your training on the stuff that gives 90% of the results," and that's unfortunate after ELEVEN YEARZ of weightlifting.

I see more and more people getting into squatting and deadlifting due to stronglifts, which is a good thing.

I have no problem with affiliate programs and similar, coz after all, people have to make money and he's recommending good products. What I don't like right now is that Mehdi seems to have fully locked the forum for non-members. i.e. Guests can't even access it and read anything on it.

He's using it to throw a forum membership in as a bonus if you buy other programs. I don't have a problem with that; its a shitty forum with a bunch of nuthuggers anyway.
Title: Re: Stronglifts
Post by: Dreyth on February 25, 2011, 09:00:41 pm
At least Stronglifts 5x5 has been pointing people away from pointless body-building routines for beginners, and it's getting people into squats and deadlifting. Also, it's getting mainstream.

Mainstream program centered around 5x5 squats? Way to go! And you're making a living out of that?? Great!

I applaud him for that, but that's where it ends. He's not any smarter than "focus 90% of your training on the stuff that gives 90% of the results," and that's unfortunate after ELEVEN YEARZ of weightlifting.

I see more and more people getting into squatting and deadlifting due to stronglifts, which is a good thing.

I have no problem with affiliate programs and similar, coz after all, people have to make money and he's recommending good products. What I don't like right now is that Mehdi seems to have fully locked the forum for non-members. i.e. Guests can't even access it and read anything on it.

Yeah this happened pretty recently and I don't like him for that.
Title: Re: Stronglifts
Post by: adarqui on February 25, 2011, 11:29:40 pm
private forums are lame, don't care who is running the forum.. the only reason to keep a forum private is to:

1. make money
2. hide your dumb ass comments
3. make you look more exclusive

all 3 of those reasons are stupid to me, even the make money one.. if the entire forum's purpose is to ask you questions, then it makes a bit more sense, since you're spending time replying to everyone (but then it's not a forum, it's a paid q&a), but to create "paid communities" is really lame to me.. evolution can't possibly take place in those hell holes, beneficial evolution anyway.. digression, sure, look at db forum members who helped digress the s&c industry (maroko/allan) for profit, or CCJ who helped digress it not-for-profit.. everyone CCJ talked to became a "squat obsessed nut who doesn't place enough emphasis on fitness, body composition, and reactive work".

what's the newest paid s&c forum, the new vertfreak forum??? pretty cool, now they can recommend squatflex without us knowing, good move.
Title: Re: Stronglifts
Post by: cowed77 on February 27, 2011, 07:18:33 am
how's CCJ doing these days? where does he post?
anywhere we can see his posts?
Title: Re: Stronglifts
Post by: adarqui on February 27, 2011, 04:09:20 pm
how's CCJ doing these days? where does he post?
anywhere we can see his posts?

he doesn't train anymore apparently :/
Title: Re: Stronglifts
Post by: LanceSTS on February 27, 2011, 04:16:59 pm
private forums are lame, don't care who is running the forum.. the only reason to keep a forum private is to:

1. make money
2. hide your dumb ass comments
3. make you look more exclusive

all 3 of those reasons are stupid to me, even the make money one.. if the entire forum's purpose is to ask you questions, then it makes a bit more sense, since you're spending time replying to everyone (but then it's not a forum, it's a paid q&a), but to create "paid communities" is really lame to me.. evolution can't possibly take place in those hell holes, beneficial evolution anyway.. digression, sure, look at db forum members who helped digress the s&c industry (maroko/allan) for profit, or CCJ who helped digress it not-for-profit.. everyone CCJ talked to became a "squat obsessed nut who doesn't place enough emphasis on fitness, body composition, and reactive work".

what's the newest paid s&c forum, the new vertfreak forum??? pretty cool, now they can recommend squatflex without us knowing, good move.


LOL @ for "non profit"!

Its sad the way that forum ended up, I have read around there a little lately and there are a ton of great posts from actual COACHES on there, and then these kids inhaled their info made scammy shit out of it.  Alex, Kelly, that damn ginroth dude, etc., lots of good posts in there, sad that ended up the way it did.
Title: Re: Stronglifts
Post by: adarqui on February 27, 2011, 04:46:03 pm
private forums are lame, don't care who is running the forum.. the only reason to keep a forum private is to:

1. make money
2. hide your dumb ass comments
3. make you look more exclusive

all 3 of those reasons are stupid to me, even the make money one.. if the entire forum's purpose is to ask you questions, then it makes a bit more sense, since you're spending time replying to everyone (but then it's not a forum, it's a paid q&a), but to create "paid communities" is really lame to me.. evolution can't possibly take place in those hell holes, beneficial evolution anyway.. digression, sure, look at db forum members who helped digress the s&c industry (maroko/allan) for profit, or CCJ who helped digress it not-for-profit.. everyone CCJ talked to became a "squat obsessed nut who doesn't place enough emphasis on fitness, body composition, and reactive work".

what's the newest paid s&c forum, the new vertfreak forum??? pretty cool, now they can recommend squatflex without us knowing, good move.


LOL @ for "non profit"!

Its sad the way that forum ended up, I have read around there a little lately and there are a ton of great posts from actual COACHES on there, and then these kids inhaled there info made scammy shit out of it.  Alex, Kelly, that damn ginroth dude, etc., lots of good posts in there, sad that ended up the way it did.

hah yea, there's tons of great posts by the coaches you mentioned.

bottom line though, that forum was doomed from the start, inno is based on scams & stems from some jay schroeder witchcraft BS. it's no wonder the most effective s&c scammers of today were born out of that forum. that forum's biggest "transformation" is a guy (ant) who already could jump 40 SVJ, gets ACL reconstruction, then does inno, reaching 40 again.. other than that, tons of stagnation (for years on end) & extreme mental masturbation.



re ccj "LOL @ for "non profit"!" <-- lol ya thats another issue
Title: Re: Stronglifts
Post by: JackW on February 27, 2011, 06:40:19 pm
Hi Guys

I am going to take an alternate view on the paid forum thing. Provided you are giving good information that helps athletes (so no squat flex promotion for example) I see no issue with charging a fee. Essentially the owner of the private forum is providing their time and expertise to help athletes reach their goals. If the person running the forum and is a professional coach then they are doing their paying clients a diservice by giving away their time for free.

Essentially the paid forum is just a way for a coach to reach more people. If your profession is helping athletes then you deserve to be paid for your time and effort. And for something like $10 a month that is pretty cheap if any questions you have are answered by someone who knows their shit and those answeres are helpful to you in achieving your goals.

Not everything is about getting rich quick by scammers, but if are providing a service you are entitiled to a fee. By keeping the forum private you are essentially telling people - look, here is my forum you can ask me as many questions as you like and I will help you out. The reason I will help you out because you are paying me for my time. If you don't want my help, no worries, at least you are not going to waste my time.

Jack
Title: Re: Stronglifts
Post by: LanceSTS on February 27, 2011, 10:03:42 pm
Hi Guys

I am going to take an alternate view on the paid forum thing. Provided you are giving good information that helps athletes (so no squat flex promotion for example) I see no issue with charging a fee. Essentially the owner of the private forum is providing their time and expertise to help athletes reach their goals. If the person running the forum and is a professional coach then they are doing their paying clients a diservice by giving away their time for free.

Essentially the paid forum is just a way for a coach to reach more people. If your profession is helping athletes then you deserve to be paid for your time and effort. And for something like $10 a month that is pretty cheap if any questions you have are answered by someone who knows their shit and those answeres are helpful to you in achieving your goals.

Not everything is about getting rich quick by scammers, but if are providing a service you are entitiled to a fee. By keeping the forum private you are essentially telling people - look, here is my forum you can ask me as many questions as you like and I will help you out. The reason I will help you out because you are paying me for my time. If you don't want my help, no worries, at least you are not going to waste my time.

Jack


I agree with you Jack that coaches can charge for their time and information and people will gladly pay for good information that they consider useful. I dont think any of the stuff about the paid forums was directed toward you nor should it be imo, Im pretty sure its directed more towards people who posted on their public forums with negative experiences either due to bad and wrong info, or trying to market trash.  The problem with alot of the "paid" sites is that is simply a way to close the forum out so that people who are not really coaches and scammers can get away with things they would be bashed for on a public forum. But if a legit coach wants to have his own pay site more power to them.  


  I disagree with the part in bold though, I get paid very well for my time training athletes in person, and I dont consider my helping people online a diservice to my clients at all, and it is night and day different actually training people in your gym than helping people over the internet.  I am very open with my clientel and not one single person has ever had a problem with it, some of them even come on the forums and read my posts as well post their own experiences.

   Training and coaching athletes in person is much much different than answering questions and helping them online, there are tons of things that differ between people "coaching" online vs, coaching in person, in my experience athletes enjoy the fact that information that has helped them succeed is being put out to help others rather than the typical marketing bullshit that fills the internet.  In my experience the ones who want things to be "secret" are the ones that are either very unsuccessful or dont have what it takes to be a real athlete in the first place.  Real athletes know that the time THEY put in, IN THE GYM, using effective methods will be more than enough to give them edge over someone else who reads the principles and methods they use.  They are not one bit worried about their "secrets" being shared and many times my high school and college athletes share what they are doing with their teamates.  Its what they put into effective methods that matters in the end and they know that, that is why they are successful, not holding some inner training secret that if made public would allow all the other athletes to catch up to them.
Title: Re: Stronglifts
Post by: adarqui on February 28, 2011, 01:28:45 am
hiller has a private forum right? I bet if we had access to it, it would be pure comedy, leg press your way to greatness, squatflex your way to supir hopz, check out my awesome bloody wrist pics, oh here's my dunking from freethrow line just a pic though, how to increase your explosion, etc.

definitely money well spent.

Title: Re: Stronglifts
Post by: JackW on February 28, 2011, 02:51:32 am
I dont think any of the stuff about the paid forums was directed toward you nor should it be imo,

No dramas Lance. I actually don't have a forum of any kind so I didn't feel Andrew's attack was directed at myself.

Also I see your point about helping people for free on forums being rewarding in itself, and a completely different thing to training athletes in person. I actually think helping people online is a very difficult thing to do because people ask questions and then don't provide anywhere near the amount of background information required in order to provide a decent, relevant response. They ask a question and then you need to ask them 10 questions of your own in order to respond to their first question. Very time consuming.

Which is why I have no issue in people getting paid for their advice, and is also the reason I don't help people online unless they are customers of mine. I have 2 small kids I like to play with, an xbox that largely gets ignored, my own training goals to achieve, a hot wife, and a MASSIVE home loan, and time spent helping people out to create programs for free etc is time spent away from them. I enormously respect people such as yourself and Andrew who do help out with good advice though.

I also see Andrews point about certain private forums being potential havens for extreme bullshit, and sadly, for the inexperienced or uneducated athlete, they don't know they are getting bullshit (or heavily tainted by money) advice.

JW

Title: Re: Stronglifts
Post by: Dreyth on February 28, 2011, 05:14:42 pm
a hot wife

pics  :wowthatwasnutswtf: :wowthatwasnutswtf: :wowthatwasnutswtf: :wowthatwasnutswtf: :wowthatwasnutswtf:
Title: Re: Stronglifts
Post by: TheSituation on March 16, 2011, 12:39:56 pm
New hilarious quote from a stronglifts email
"It frankly amuses me whenever a guy quotes some silly study about this or that time being better to workout. The science is IRRELEVANT here because if you are not making the gym consistently at whatever time some nerd with a phd claims is superior for strength and muscle gains, you won’t be achieving a lot"


Insulting the "nerds with a phd" is fine if you've actually have results to show for it. This quote is more proof that Mehdi actually thinks he looks good and that he is strong, even though he's a fat manlet and is weak. You can't compare this to Adarq. Adarq knows hes skinny. If adarq thought he (adarq) was huge and "jacked", then I would never take advice from him on how to get huge and "jacked"
Title: Re: Stronglifts
Post by: adarqui on March 16, 2011, 01:17:26 pm
wut? i'm IFBB level jacked.
Title: Re: Stronglifts
Post by: Raptor on March 16, 2011, 01:57:35 pm
I'm huge and jacked.

Want any advice?
Title: Re: Stronglifts
Post by: TheSituation on March 16, 2011, 01:59:32 pm
I'm huge and jacked.

Want any advice?

Nobody cares what some turban-wearing bosnian kid thinks about anything

Title: Re: Stronglifts
Post by: Raptor on March 16, 2011, 02:04:44 pm
I'm huge and jacked.

Want any advice?

Nobody cares what some turban-wearing bosnian kid thinks about anything



Yeah, I know, that's why I offered you my sincerest advice. I'm the only one that cares what a turban-wearing bosnian guy like you thinks.
Title: Re: Stronglifts
Post by: TheSituation on March 16, 2011, 02:10:42 pm
I'm huge and jacked.

Want any advice?

Nobody cares what some turban-wearing bosnian kid thinks about anything



Yeah, I know, that's why I offered you my sincerest advice. I'm the only one that cares what a turban-wearing bosnian guy like you thinks.

(http://i45.tinypic.com/2vkgqck.jpg)
Title: Re: Stronglifts
Post by: Dreyth on March 16, 2011, 11:40:02 pm
?? He's Romanian plus no turban. And Bosnians don't wear turbans..

Or maybe it's some inside joke I missed out on cuz I've been slightly dormant on here.  :-[
Title: Re: Stronglifts
Post by: TheSituation on March 17, 2011, 09:23:25 am
?? He's Romanian plus no turban. And Bosnians don't wear turbans..

Or maybe it's some inside joke I missed out on cuz I've been slightly dormant on here.  :-[

Nope, just a racist comment
Title: Re: Stronglifts
Post by: Raptor on March 17, 2011, 11:35:04 am
?? He's Romanian plus no turban. And Bosnians don't wear turbans..

Or maybe it's some inside joke I missed out on cuz I've been slightly dormant on here.  :-[

Nope, just a racist comment

Oh boy! Lovely. At least he's a honest lil'fellah.
Title: Re: Stronglifts
Post by: mj on March 19, 2011, 10:35:51 pm
I started on stronglifts man. It was ok for a beginner and the forum was useful.... good community (was). That Mehdi dude is a tool  :wowthatwasnutswtf:

Now he's making it 'exclusive' by shutting off membership and charging for it when he decides to open for new members. Whatever. You can play his retarded game and pay or download a copy of starting strength for free. And Rip's forum is free too.

Stronglifts is just a well marketed copy of Rip anyway. Ghey.
Title: Re: Stronglifts
Post by: TheSituation on April 06, 2011, 12:08:49 pm
"Last week marked 100lb of bodyweight I’ve gained in high school so far. 90lb of that weight was gained in 2,5 years. This is proof that you can do it without getting fat, without drugs, and with average genetics (I was once one of those guys who complained that he was a freaking ‘hardgainer’)."

(http://stronglifts.com/wp-content/uploads/stronglifts-jake-100lb.jpg)


StrongLifts Member Jake: from 140lb to 240lb in 2,5y, a 100lb weight gain without drugs, without getting fat, and with average "hardgainer"-like genetics.







He went from a decent looking kid into a fat roger clemens. Without getting fat. oh lawd
(Yes, I know his goal is strength)
Title: Re: Stronglifts
Post by: Raptor on April 06, 2011, 12:44:40 pm
That's not fat, that's how a real MAN is supposed to look like (if you believe Rippetoe, that is).
Title: Re: Stronglifts
Post by: adarqui on April 06, 2011, 02:26:59 pm
"Last week marked 100lb of bodyweight I’ve gained in high school so far. 90lb of that weight was gained in 2,5 years. This is proof that you can do it without getting fat, without drugs, and with average genetics (I was once one of those guys who complained that he was a freaking ‘hardgainer’)."

(http://stronglifts.com/wp-content/uploads/stronglifts-jake-100lb.jpg)


StrongLifts Member Jake: from 140lb to 240lb in 2,5y, a 100lb weight gain without drugs, without getting fat, and with average "hardgainer"-like genetics.







He went from a decent looking kid into a fat roger clemens. Without getting fat. oh lawd
(Yes, I know his goal is strength)

that's serious?

what

the

fuck

???????

that dude has a belly like my dad.
Title: Re: Stronglifts
Post by: TheSituation on April 06, 2011, 03:01:45 pm
Stronglifts members probably think he's only 15% bodyfat. I'd be 5% on their scale
Title: Re: Stronglifts
Post by: XxZxX on April 06, 2011, 05:29:40 pm
What a total downgrade. Not something should be proud of right? He looked fit on the left, but on the right, he looked washed up and that's a PLUS??!!!!!
Title: Re: Stronglifts
Post by: Raptor on April 06, 2011, 06:17:39 pm
What a total downgrade. Not something should be proud of right? He looked fit on the left, but on the right, he looked washed up and that's a PLUS??!!!!!


Works if you squat more I guess. Wait...
Title: Re: Stronglifts
Post by: $ick3nin.vend3tta on April 06, 2011, 07:27:32 pm
OMG YOU GUYS. People are ONLY qualified to give lifting advice if they're HUGE AND JAKT. I would never trust a skinny-ass punk, say, some random dude down in Florida who's trying to pass 150 pounds in the wrong direction, to give me lifting advice. Only a pussy would do that. Am I right?.

+1.

If I could have a day with anyone in this field it would be David Weck who's doing a lot of stuff with Tyson Gay right now.
Title: Re: Stronglifts
Post by: Zetz on April 06, 2011, 08:03:42 pm
Stronglifts members probably think he's only 15% bodyfat. I'd be 5% on their scale

Good hell. If that's 15%, I don't want to imagine the nonexistence of my own bodyfat on their scale.
Title: Re: Stronglifts
Post by: TheSituation on April 06, 2011, 08:46:19 pm
OMG YOU GUYS. People are ONLY qualified to give lifting advice if they're HUGE AND JAKT. I would never trust a skinny-ass punk, say, some random dude down in Florida who's trying to pass 150 pounds in the wrong direction, to give me lifting advice. Only a pussy would do that. Am I right?.

+1.

If I could have a day with anyone in this field it would be David Weck who's doing a lot of stuff with Tyson Gay right now.

+1 dude who misses the point


Also, isn't David Weck the guy who invented the BOSU Ball? Figures you would love to train with him looking at the intelligence of your other posts on this board.
Title: Re: Stronglifts
Post by: $ick3nin.vend3tta on April 06, 2011, 10:39:05 pm
Also, isn't David Weck the guy who invented the BOSU Ball? Figures you would love to train with him looking at the intelligence of your other posts on this board.

Which posts?.


Also Tyson Gay trains with Weck.  



Title: Re: Stronglifts
Post by: TheSituation on April 06, 2011, 10:44:23 pm
And Michael Jordan, Dwyane Wade, Gilbert Arenas, and about 100 other nba players train with Tim Grover. Nice argument.


And your entire Keto Diet post is a joke
Title: Re: Stronglifts
Post by: $ick3nin.vend3tta on April 06, 2011, 10:56:54 pm
And Michael Jordan, Dwyane Wade, Gilbert Arenas, and about 100 other nba players train with Tim Grover. Nice argument.

But there not track demons. Weck has single handily made Tyson much faster with his idea's, hence why I would want to spend a day or two with him.

And your entire Keto Diet post is a joke

Lets say Bolt switches to the Keto diet. Will he run faster?.

If your post is in relation to body-building, maybe so. But saying it's the only diet you can get lean on?. LOL.




Title: Re: Stronglifts
Post by: TheSituation on April 06, 2011, 10:58:29 pm
And Michael Jordan, Dwyane Wade, Gilbert Arenas, and about 100 other nba players train with Tim Grover. Nice argument.

But there not speed demons. Weck has single handily made Tyson much faster with his idea's.

And your entire Keto Diet post is a joke

Lets say Bolt switches to the Keto diet. Will he run faster?.

If your post is in relation to body-building, maybe so. But it's the only diet you can get lean on?. LMFAO.






But they are great basketball players.

And the arm spiral stuff is a bunch of bs. It didn't make Gay "much faster"


And I'm not saying the keto did is the only diet you can get lean on. I was referring to you saying all Lyle puts out is garbage and that you think you are 5-8% bodyfat year round.
Title: Re: Stronglifts
Post by: $ick3nin.vend3tta on April 06, 2011, 11:22:52 pm
But they are great basketball players.

Flawed logic.

I didn't mention Weck from a basketball perspective. It's highly unlikely Tim Grover would increase my running power, if by anything. Weck is a pioneer (& not just with the BOSU/Spiralling/ropes thing).

All the top S&C coaches would make very little difference to a world class sprinter from what they already know. In no way would I ever choose a guy like Louie Simmons over Weck for conditioning.

And the arm spiral stuff is a bunch of bs. It didn't make Gay "much faster".

What did?.

Let me tell you, there is far more to Weck than spiralling.


And I'm not saying the keto did is the only diet you can get lean on. I was referring to you saying all Lyle puts out is garbage and that you think you are 5-8% bodyfat year round?.

What is so hard to believe?. I will tell you what you won't believe.

365 days a year, I eat the same foods day in, day out. lol. NO LIE JC. Discipline & dedication. If you love food, it's gonna be mental torture for people but I'm not one of those guys.

I also do a lot of cardio, road cycling year round, got an arm cycle in my gym which I also use year round too. Not too mention the weights. Look at Lance's avatar, he looks around 8%.


Title: Re: Stronglifts
Post by: TheSituation on April 06, 2011, 11:27:53 pm
Not flawed logic, but you're honestly so retarded that I don't even want to explain it.

You've contracted yourself so many times. In the lyle thread you said calories in, calories out was it. Now you're blabbing about cardio?

And Lance is probably closer to 12-13% in his pic. I bet you're one of those retards who think if you can see your abs you're sub-10%.


Post pics, or shut the fuck up. Nobody cares what a weak 160 pound kid eats.
Title: Re: Stronglifts
Post by: $ick3nin.vend3tta on April 06, 2011, 11:56:11 pm
Since you didn't reply to my Weck queries & I've come to the conclusion you don't know what the fuck your talking about.


Not flawed logic, but you're honestly so retarded that I don't even want to explain it.

It is flawed logic.

I wasn't referring to basketball. I wasn't referring to Weck in a basketball sense. I was referring to Weck & his idea's for generating greater power.

You've contracted yourself so many times. In the lyle thread you said calories in, calories out was it. Now you're blabbing about cardio?.

Yes!. A method to getting/staying lean.

And Lance is probably closer to 12-13% in his pic. I bet you're one of those retards who think if you can see your abs you're sub-10%.

No!. I rely on my scales & bodyfat capilars. I am informed they are both pretty accurate for measuring BF %.

Nobody cares what a weak 160 pound kid eats.

Strength is Relative…Sort of... There is stuff 10 year old gymnasts could do that Andy Bolton couldn't.

Many world class sprinters are weak. What's your point?.


Title: Re: Stronglifts
Post by: TheSituation on April 07, 2011, 12:13:21 am

Quote
It is flawed logic.

I wasn't referring to basketball. I wasn't referring to Weck in a basketball sense. I was referring to Weck & his idea's for generating greater human power.


You are so stupid.

Weck is as responsible for Gay being fast as much as Grover is responsible for MJ being good at basketball. That was the point. How you could not grasp that is beyond me. You went full retard. Don't ever go full retard.


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Yes!. A method to getting/staying lean.

How can you try and disprove the keto diet by saying calories in/out is everything, but then advocate cardio? That doesn't make any sense. You are retarded.

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No!. I rely on my scales & bodyfat capilars. I am informed they are both pretty accurate for measuring BF %

You heard wrong.  According to the nba combine every player is 5%. It said aaron brooks is 2.7%. That's not humanly possible, and he's not even that lean.


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Strength is relative. I can hold a plank longer than Andy Bolton, so.

Many world class sprinters are weak. What's your point?.

They may be "weight room weak", but all world class sprinters are strong as fuck.

Title: Re: Stronglifts
Post by: $ick3nin.vend3tta on April 07, 2011, 12:22:02 am
You are so stupid.

Weck is as responsible for Gay being fast as much as Grover is responsible for MJ being good at basketball. That was the point. How you could not grasp that is beyond me. You went full retard. Don't ever go full retard.

Weck has made Gay much faster.

What has Grover done for MJ's speed?.

How can you try and disprove the keto diet by saying calories in/out is everything, but then advocate cardio? That doesn't make any sense.

It does when it comes to staying lean (calories/cardio).

No!. I rely on my scales & bodyfat capilars. I am informed they are both pretty accurate for measuring BF %

Well all the same, they come highly recommended, both digital.

They may be "weight room weak", but all world class sprinters are strong as fuck.

Can you elaborate on world class sprinters are strong as fuck?.

In which area?.
Title: Re: Stronglifts
Post by: dirksilver on April 07, 2011, 12:23:00 am
Since you didn't reply to my Weck queries & I've come to the conclusion you don't know what the fuck your talking about.


Not flawed logic, but you're honestly so retarded that I don't even want to explain it.

It is flawed logic.

I wasn't referring to basketball. I wasn't referring to Weck in a basketball sense. I was referring to Weck & his idea's for generating greater power.

You've contracted yourself so many times. In the lyle thread you said calories in, calories out was it. Now you're blabbing about cardio?.

Yes!. A method to getting/staying lean.

And Lance is probably closer to 12-13% in his pic. I bet you're one of those retards who think if you can see your abs you're sub-10%.

No!. I rely on my scales & bodyfat capilars. I am informed they are both pretty accurate for measuring BF %.

Nobody cares what a weak 160 pound kid eats.

Strength is Relative…Sort of... There is stuff 10 year old gymnasts could do that Andy Bolton couldn't.

Many world class sprinters are weak. What's your point?.




i think you're misunderstanding what his point was about comparing weck to grover
Title: Re: Stronglifts
Post by: TheSituation on April 07, 2011, 12:24:02 am
This is insane. I will just let everyone who reads this thread laugh at you.
Title: Re: Stronglifts
Post by: $ick3nin.vend3tta on April 07, 2011, 12:24:56 am
This is insane. I will just let everyone who reads this thread laugh at you.


I won.

You don't know what the fuck your talking about fella.

Otherwise argue my points.
Title: Re: Stronglifts
Post by: $ick3nin.vend3tta on April 07, 2011, 12:26:59 am
OMG YOU GUYS. People are ONLY qualified to give lifting advice if they're HUGE AND JAKT. I would never trust a skinny-ass punk, say, some random dude down in Florida who's trying to pass 150 pounds in the wrong direction, to give me lifting advice. Only a pussy would do that. Am I right?.

+1.

If I could have a day with anyone in this field it would be David Weck who's doing a lot of stuff with Tyson Gay right now.

He's made Tyson faster.

Title: Re: Stronglifts
Post by: TheSituation on April 07, 2011, 12:27:49 am
This is insane. I will just let everyone who reads this thread laugh at you.


I won.

You don't know what the fuck your talking about fella.

Otherwise argue my points.

Obvious troll is obvious
Title: Re: Stronglifts
Post by: $ick3nin.vend3tta on April 07, 2011, 12:30:00 am
I think you're misunderstanding what his point was about comparing weck to grover

No he misunderstood me.

I never mentioned Grover.
Title: Re: Stronglifts
Post by: TheSituation on April 07, 2011, 12:32:33 am
The fact that you have no idea what an analogy is proves that you have down syndrome and I was dumb getting into an argument with you.
Title: Re: Stronglifts
Post by: LanceSTS on April 07, 2011, 12:35:11 am
But they are great basketball players.

Flawed logic.

I didn't mention Weck from a basketball perspective. It's highly unlikely Tim Grover would increase my running power, if by anything. Weck is a pioneer (& not just with the BOSU/Spiralling/ropes thing).

All the top S&C coaches would make very little difference to a world class sprinter from what they already know. In no way would I ever choose a guy like Louie Simmons over Weck for conditioning.

And the arm spiral stuff is a bunch of bs. It didn't make Gay "much faster".

What did?.

Let me tell you, there is far more to Weck than spiralling.


And I'm not saying the keto did is the only diet you can get lean on. I was referring to you saying all Lyle puts out is garbage and that you think you are 5-8% bodyfat year round?.

What is so hard to believe?. I will tell you what you won't believe.

365 days a year, I eat the same foods day in, day out. lol. NO LIE JC. Discipline & dedication. If you love food, it's gonna be mental torture for people but I'm not one of those guys.

I also do a lot of cardio, road cycling year round, got an arm cycle in my gym which I also use year round too. Not too mention the weights. Look at Lance's avatar, he looks around 8%.




Close, that pic was 9. (something)%, this one is closer to 6-8%

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5137/5501783386_435b444965_m.jpg)
Title: Re: Stronglifts
Post by: $ick3nin.vend3tta on April 07, 2011, 12:38:55 am
Obvious troll is obvious.

Your logic is flawed.


The keto diet is not only the diet you can get lean on. (You can get lean on McDonalds & chicken McNuggets).
Grover is doing nothing special to increase speed.
You know nothing about Weck, his idea's & how his methods generate greater power.
You mentioned basketball?. I wasn't referring to basketball.
Kim Collins is a 160lb 'weak kid'. Weak in the squat, dead & literally every other exercise?. So where is he strong?.

Sorry 150lb weak kid. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kim_Collins
Title: Re: Stronglifts
Post by: TheSituation on April 07, 2011, 12:46:40 am
Obvious troll is obvious.

Your logic is flawed.


The keto diet is not only the diet you can get lean on. (You can get lean on McDonalds & chicken McNuggets).
Grover is doing nothing special to increase speed.
You know nothing about Weck, his idea's & how his methods generate greater power.
You mentioned basketball?. I wasn't referring to basketball.
Kim Collins is a 160lb 'weak kid'. Weak in the squat, dead & literally every other exercise?. So where is he strong?.

Sorry 150lb weak kid. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kim_Collins

wait what?


1. never said that
2. its an analogy
3. I know everything about weck. did you know he invented the bosu ball? probably not. I know all about his arm spiraling technique.
4. Again, an analogy
5. Like I said, weight room weak. You cannot be an elite sprinter and not be strong as fuck. Why else would they take steroids?
Title: Re: Stronglifts
Post by: dirksilver on April 07, 2011, 12:48:50 am
Obvious troll is obvious.

Your logic is flawed.


The keto diet is not only the diet you can get lean on. (You can get lean on McDonalds & chicken McNuggets).
Grover is doing nothing special to increase speed.
You know nothing about Weck, his idea's & how his methods generate greater power.
You mentioned basketball?. I wasn't referring to basketball.
Kim Collins is a 160lb 'weak kid'. Weak in the squat, dead & literally every other exercise?. So where is he strong?.

Sorry 150lb weak kid. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kim_Collins

the point isn't basketball...he's saying tyson gay would be fast with or without weck just like jordan etc would still be awesome with or without grover

jc was saying grover is retarded but still had some awesome athletes and he thinks more or less the same thing about weck
Title: Re: Stronglifts
Post by: TheSituation on April 07, 2011, 12:50:28 am
Obvious troll is obvious.

Your logic is flawed.


The keto diet is not only the diet you can get lean on. (You can get lean on McDonalds & chicken McNuggets).
Grover is doing nothing special to increase speed.
You know nothing about Weck, his idea's & how his methods generate greater power.
You mentioned basketball?. I wasn't referring to basketball.
Kim Collins is a 160lb 'weak kid'. Weak in the squat, dead & literally every other exercise?. So where is he strong?.

Sorry 150lb weak kid. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kim_Collins

the point isn't basketball...he's saying tyson gay would be fast with or without weck just like jordan etc would still be awesome with or without grover

jc was saying grover is retarded but still had some awesome athletes and he thinks more or less the same thing about weck

But he never talked about basketball!!!!
Title: Re: Stronglifts
Post by: dirksilver on April 07, 2011, 12:55:48 am
Obvious troll is obvious.

Your logic is flawed.


The keto diet is not only the diet you can get lean on. (You can get lean on McDonalds & chicken McNuggets).
Grover is doing nothing special to increase speed.
You know nothing about Weck, his idea's & how his methods generate greater power.
You mentioned basketball?. I wasn't referring to basketball.
Kim Collins is a 160lb 'weak kid'. Weak in the squat, dead & literally every other exercise?. So where is he strong?.

Sorry 150lb weak kid. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kim_Collins

the point isn't basketball...he's saying tyson gay would be fast with or without weck just like jordan etc would still be awesome with or without grover

jc was saying grover is retarded but still had some awesome athletes and he thinks more or less the same thing about weck

But he never talked about basketball!!!!

by the way i think you were wrong about the calories in and out and cardio...cardio is just part of the calories out part of calories in and out
Title: Re: Stronglifts
Post by: TheSituation on April 07, 2011, 01:00:10 am
Obvious troll is obvious.

Your logic is flawed.


The keto diet is not only the diet you can get lean on. (You can get lean on McDonalds & chicken McNuggets).
Grover is doing nothing special to increase speed.
You know nothing about Weck, his idea's & how his methods generate greater power.
You mentioned basketball?. I wasn't referring to basketball.
Kim Collins is a 160lb 'weak kid'. Weak in the squat, dead & literally every other exercise?. So where is he strong?.

Sorry 150lb weak kid. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kim_Collins

the point isn't basketball...he's saying tyson gay would be fast with or without weck just like jordan etc would still be awesome with or without grover

jc was saying grover is retarded but still had some awesome athletes and he thinks more or less the same thing about weck

But he never talked about basketball!!!!

by the way i think you were wrong about the calories in and out and cardio...cardio is just part of the calories out part of calories in and out

Cardio doesn't burn enough calories for it to be significant to calories in/out. Elite level cyclists only burn like 250 calories in a 30 minute bike ride.

If you truly believe in calories in/out, you would never do cardio. Much easier to just eat 200 less calories than do cardio for an hour.
Title: Re: Stronglifts
Post by: dirksilver on April 07, 2011, 01:01:40 am
Obvious troll is obvious.

Your logic is flawed.


The keto diet is not only the diet you can get lean on. (You can get lean on McDonalds & chicken McNuggets).
Grover is doing nothing special to increase speed.
You know nothing about Weck, his idea's & how his methods generate greater power.
You mentioned basketball?. I wasn't referring to basketball.
Kim Collins is a 160lb 'weak kid'. Weak in the squat, dead & literally every other exercise?. So where is he strong?.

Sorry 150lb weak kid. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kim_Collins

the point isn't basketball...he's saying tyson gay would be fast with or without weck just like jordan etc would still be awesome with or without grover

jc was saying grover is retarded but still had some awesome athletes and he thinks more or less the same thing about weck

But he never talked about basketball!!!!

by the way i think you were wrong about the calories in and out and cardio...cardio is just part of the calories out part of calories in and out

Cardio doesn't burn enough calories for it to be significant to calories in/out. Elite level cyclists only burn like 250 calories in a 30 minute bike ride.

If you truly believe in calories in/out, you would never do cardio. Much easier to just eat 200 less calories than do cardio for an hour.

agreed but you see my point
Title: Re: Stronglifts
Post by: dirksilver on April 07, 2011, 01:10:54 am
Obvious troll is obvious.

Your logic is flawed.


The keto diet is not only the diet you can get lean on. (You can get lean on McDonalds & chicken McNuggets).
Grover is doing nothing special to increase speed.
You know nothing about Weck, his idea's & how his methods generate greater power.
You mentioned basketball?. I wasn't referring to basketball.
Kim Collins is a 160lb 'weak kid'. Weak in the squat, dead & literally every other exercise?. So where is he strong?.

Sorry 150lb weak kid. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kim_Collins

the point isn't basketball...he's saying tyson gay would be fast with or without weck just like jordan etc would still be awesome with or without grover

jc was saying grover is retarded but still had some awesome athletes and he thinks more or less the same thing about weck

But he never talked about basketball!!!!

by the way i think you were wrong about the calories in and out and cardio...cardio is just part of the calories out part of calories in and out

Cardio doesn't burn enough calories for it to be significant to calories in/out. Elite level cyclists only burn like 250 calories in a 30 minute bike ride.

If you truly believe in calories in/out, you would never do cardio. Much easier to just eat 200 less calories than do cardio for an hour.

agreed but you see my point

let me change this a little...i agree when we're talking about getting down into the single digits in bodyfat%...but fat people can for sure benefit from cardio
Title: Re: Stronglifts
Post by: TheSituation on April 07, 2011, 01:20:36 am
They'd benefit from the health benefits, but for weight loss its almost irrelevant.
Title: Re: Stronglifts
Post by: adarqui on April 07, 2011, 06:23:06 am
Obvious troll is obvious.

Your logic is flawed.


The keto diet is not only the diet you can get lean on. (You can get lean on McDonalds & chicken McNuggets).
Grover is doing nothing special to increase speed.
You know nothing about Weck, his idea's & how his methods generate greater power.
You mentioned basketball?. I wasn't referring to basketball.
Kim Collins is a 160lb 'weak kid'. Weak in the squat, dead & literally every other exercise?. So where is he strong?.

Sorry 150lb weak kid. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kim_Collins

the point isn't basketball...he's saying tyson gay would be fast with or without weck just like jordan etc would still be awesome with or without grover

jc was saying grover is retarded but still had some awesome athletes and he thinks more or less the same thing about weck

But he never talked about basketball!!!!

by the way i think you were wrong about the calories in and out and cardio...cardio is just part of the calories out part of calories in and out

Cardio doesn't burn enough calories for it to be significant to calories in/out. Elite level cyclists only burn like 250 calories in a 30 minute bike ride.

If you truly believe in calories in/out, you would never do cardio. Much easier to just eat 200 less calories than do cardio for an hour.

don't know about that.. cardio can make up for a large amount of kcal burned, near or above 1000 for stuff like jump rope, boxing/heavy bag training, etc.. fat people should do cardio, it helps.

cardio + diet > diet
Title: Re: Stronglifts
Post by: Raptor on April 07, 2011, 08:37:06 am
I also think cardio might tell the body to tap into the fat stores for energy.
Title: Re: Stronglifts
Post by: $ick3nin.vend3tta on April 07, 2011, 12:20:01 pm
They'd benefit from the health benefits, but for weight loss its almost irrelevant.

Cardio is irrelevant to weightloss?... lololololololololol...

Cardio, along with a basic healthy diet is the reason I stay within 5-8%.

Cardio doesn't burn enough calories for it to be significant to calories in/out. Elite level cyclists only burn like 250 calories in a 30 minute bike ride.

If you truly believe in calories in/out, you would never do cardio. Much easier to just eat 200 less calories than do cardio for an hour.

God didn't make dieting/getting lean rocket science.

Why are you & Lyle trying to make out it is? with 325 pages, 600 scientific references of head blag?.

http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/5381385/The.Ketogenic.Diet(Lyle.McDonald


1. never said that
2. its an analogy
3. I know everything about weck. did you know he invented the bosu ball? probably not. I know all about his arm spiraling technique.
4. Again, an analogy
5. Like I said, weight room weak. You cannot be an elite sprinter and not be strong as fuck. Why else would they take steroids?

(http://www.scam.com/image.php?u=144874&dateline=1295542296)(http://teapls.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/you-are-full_of_shit_toilet.jpg) (http://www.scam.com/images/smilies/rasta.gif)


You don't know nothing about Weck other than he invented the BOSU & spiralling. There is far more to his knowledge base than that.

You keep saying, "You cannot be an elite sprinter and not be strong as fuck".

Strong as fuck in which department?/muscles?/tendons?/which exercise?.

Remember, Kim Collins is a skinny 150lbs.


(http://www.trackalerts.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/collins.jpg)


he's saying tyson gay would be fast with or without weck just like jordan etc would still be awesome with or without grover

Granted, he's been blessed with great genetics.

You have to respect the fact an improvement of tenths/hundredths of a second over 100m is a country mile.

By applying some of Weck's idea's/methods, he's gone faster whether by a tenth/hundredth..... it's a significant milestone, hence current US record holder.

He wasn't running 9.69's 5 years ago, going from 9.79's to 9.69's is massive in sprinting.

Take Bolt.

To go from 9.58 to 9.50 is going to take one monumental effort. It's huge.






Title: Re: Stronglifts
Post by: LBSS on April 07, 2011, 01:00:51 pm
lol @ 1000 kcal burned from jump rope. what, are you doing 90 straight minutes of double unders?

cardio isn't irrelevant for weight loss, but it's not as big a contributor as people think it is.
Title: Re: Stronglifts
Post by: $ick3nin.vend3tta on April 07, 2011, 01:10:54 pm
cardio isn't irrelevant for weight loss, but it's not as big a contributor as people think it is.

Science proves that a significant raise in metabolism (cardio), relates to greater gains in weight loss & burning bodyfat more efficiently.

There is a big reason professional cyclists are some of the most lean athletes on earth, hence taking in relatively the same amount of calories per day as bodybuilders.

Cardio.
Title: Re: Stronglifts
Post by: TheSituation on April 07, 2011, 01:36:00 pm
I'm not even responding to vendetta anymore because he's retarded. No, you didn't win. I'm sick of saying the same thing over and over. You clearly don't get it. The fact that you don't think sprinters are strong shows this debate is like Einstein debating with the guy who came in last at the special olympics.


Adarq, I can't find the studies but it talked about elite level cyclists were only burning 250-300 calories in a 30 minute session. I'm not even saying cardio is useless. I believe it helps with fat loss. I'm just saying since vendetta said this

 
Calories in, calories out.

Its not rocket science, it's the most simple thing on earth.


"At 325 pages and containing over 600 scientific references", lol.

He's just blagging peoples heads with irrelevant info.


How can he be so big on cardio now? I should have said for somebody who only believes calories in/out matters before I said it was irrelevant.


Title: Re: Stronglifts
Post by: TheSituation on April 07, 2011, 01:41:18 pm
Elite cyclists aren't doing what most would call "cardio", they are cycling for hours a day, have good genetics, and

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3c/Tour_de_Doping.jpg/800px-Tour_de_Doping.jpg)
Title: Re: Stronglifts
Post by: John Stamos on April 07, 2011, 03:50:05 pm
why the fuck would you want to be between 5-8%bf year round?
Title: Re: Stronglifts
Post by: D-Rose Jr on April 07, 2011, 06:04:39 pm
why the fuck would you want to be a fat ass year round?

Title: Re: Stronglifts
Post by: TheSituation on April 07, 2011, 06:46:21 pm
"Last week marked 100lb of bodyweight I’ve gained in high school so far. 90lb of that weight was gained in 2,5 years. This is proof that you can do it without getting fat, without drugs, and with average genetics (I was once one of those guys who complained that he was a freaking ‘hardgainer’)."

(http://stronglifts.com/wp-content/uploads/stronglifts-jake-100lb.jpg)


StrongLifts Member Jake: from 140lb to 240lb in 2,5y, a 100lb weight gain without drugs, without getting fat, and with average "hardgainer"-like genetics.







He went from a decent looking kid into a fat roger clemens. Without getting fat. oh lawd
(Yes, I know his goal is strength)

Sick of giving that retarded troll any more attention. Back on topic

Stronglifts ruined that kid. He can't even see his own dick now.
Title: Re: Stronglifts
Post by: John Stamos on April 07, 2011, 08:38:04 pm
why the fuck would you want to be a fat ass year round?



whats wrong with 10-12% and get to 5-8 during the summer? i mean i hope you guys actually want to become  better athletes considering hormones get fucked for most people at 8% and below, or are both of you the type that every time they walk by a mirror they lift their shirts up to see your abs at 150lbs, you are just fucking retarded

but yeah like jc said back on topic which i dont really care about  so peace

Title: Re: Stronglifts
Post by: adarqui on April 07, 2011, 08:46:14 pm
lol @ 1000 kcal burned from jump rope. what, are you doing 90 straight minutes of double unders?

cardio isn't irrelevant for weight loss, but it's not as big a contributor as people think it is.

http://www.nutristrategy.com/activitylist4.htm

(http://i56.tinypic.com/90r0pz.png)
Title: Re: Stronglifts
Post by: $ick3nin.vend3tta on April 07, 2011, 08:47:44 pm
why the fuck would you want to be between 5-8%bf year round?

Efficiency of movement, like my boy Bruce.

Can't have no excess baggage blu.
Title: Re: Stronglifts
Post by: TheSituation on April 07, 2011, 08:49:17 pm
lol @ 1000 kcal burned from jump rope. what, are you doing 90 straight minutes of double unders?

cardio isn't irrelevant for weight loss, but it's not as big a contributor as people think it is.

http://www.nutristrategy.com/activitylist4.htm

(http://i56.tinypic.com/90r0pz.png)


So you do it for about 90 minutes to burn 1000 calories.  :D
Title: Re: Stronglifts
Post by: adarqui on April 07, 2011, 09:11:43 pm
why the fuck would you want to be a fat ass year round?



whats wrong with 10-12% and get to 5-8 during the summer? i mean i hope you guys actually want to become  better athletes considering hormones get fucked for most people at 8% and below, or are both of you the type that every time they walk by a mirror they lift their shirts up to see your abs at 150lbs, you are just fucking retarded

but yeah like jc said back on topic which i dont really care about  so peace



oh i thought this was an athletic performance forum, not the jersey shore forum.. lmao @ "whats wrong with 10-12% and get to 5-8 during the summer?"

get cut for da summa bruh GTL, sorry couldn't help myself..

maintaining 8% year round isn't unheard of..
Title: Re: Stronglifts
Post by: $ick3nin.vend3tta on April 07, 2011, 09:21:46 pm
Vince DelMonte: 8% body fat.


(http://www.yoursixpackquest.com/images/vince_15.jpg)


(http://www.ryanzielonka.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/bruce_lee_01.jpg)


Badboy.
Title: Re: Stronglifts
Post by: TheSituation on April 07, 2011, 09:24:43 pm
Steroid users ftw
Title: Re: Stronglifts
Post by: $ick3nin.vend3tta on April 07, 2011, 09:40:48 pm
Steroid users ftw

Jeez, every pro athlete & fitness fanatic is a steroid user to you.

Title: Re: Stronglifts
Post by: TheSituation on April 07, 2011, 09:42:14 pm
Steroid users ftw

Jeez, every pro athlete & fitness fanatic is a steroid user to you.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRkr7sg1ILg

1:00 in


And no, I do not think most pro athletes are on steroids. I do think most "fitness fanatics" are though (definitely delmonte).
Title: Re: Stronglifts
Post by: Raptor on April 08, 2011, 05:26:51 am
I can't believe people give elite cyclers as an example, they're probably perfect at NOT BURNING calories and conserving their energy.
Title: Re: Stronglifts
Post by: TheSituation on April 08, 2011, 07:54:49 am
I can't believe people give elite cyclers as an example, they're probably perfect at NOT BURNING calories and conserving their energy.

not sure if serious
Title: Re: Stronglifts
Post by: Raptor on April 08, 2011, 08:21:02 am
I can't believe people give elite cyclers as an example, they're probably perfect at NOT BURNING calories and conserving their energy.

not sure if serious

It's serious. I mean, I know you emphasize effort etc, but they have probably adapted to conserve their energy a long time ago. I don't think calorie burning has stayed the same (or stays the same) 100% regarding to the same effort you put out as you adapt over time.
Title: Re: Stronglifts
Post by: D-Rose Jr on April 08, 2011, 10:03:07 am
they are like the cardio instructors doing cardio for 12 hours a day
or the construction man or farmer

they have adapted
Title: Re: Stronglifts
Post by: LBSS on April 08, 2011, 12:28:25 pm
I can't believe people give elite cyclers as an example, they're probably perfect at NOT BURNING calories and conserving their energy.

not sure if serious

It's serious. I mean, I know you emphasize effort etc, but they have probably adapted to conserve their energy a long time ago. I don't think calorie burning has stayed the same (or stays the same) 100% regarding to the same effort you put out as you adapt over time.

No. Sure, they've adapted to conserving energy at the slow-ass pace you or I could maintain. But they don't go at that pace, they go faster. They burn MORE calories than untrained people because the level of intensity and duration they can handle is higher than most people can even think about.
Title: Re: Stronglifts
Post by: $ick3nin.vend3tta on April 08, 2011, 02:19:19 pm
I can't believe people give elite cyclers as an example, they're probably perfect at NOT BURNING calories and conserving their energy.


It's a perfect example.

Some on them are on 8000 calories per day in training/racing.

8000 calories & still pretty lean. LMFAO.




(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_izgGY2LBT9Y/SYMt3wQEpzI/AAAAAAAAAwY/uEKMt4q5580/s1600/farmerstan.jpg)


One member of the teams management once said Michael Rasmussen can get down to 1.5% during a Tour. Is that do able figure?, considering massive calorie consumption?.

Title: Re: Stronglifts
Post by: adarqui on April 08, 2011, 02:28:45 pm
I can't believe people give elite cyclers as an example, they're probably perfect at NOT BURNING calories and conserving their energy.


It's a perfect example.

Some on them are on 8000 calories per day in training/racing.

8000 calories & still pretty lean. LMFAO.




(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_izgGY2LBT9Y/SYMt3wQEpzI/AAAAAAAAAwY/uEKMt4q5580/s1600/farmerstan.jpg)


One member of the teams management once said Michael Rasmussen can get down to 1.5% during a Tour. Is that do able figure?, considering massive calorie consumption?.





no it's not a doable figure, he'd be dead or dying.

he's just not measuring right on their tests, nobody is getting below 3% essential body fat and competing at any level, it's impossible.
Title: Re: Stronglifts
Post by: TheSituation on April 08, 2011, 02:40:10 pm
I can't believe people give elite cyclers as an example, they're probably perfect at NOT BURNING calories and conserving their energy.


It's a perfect example.

Some on them are on 8000 calories per day in training/racing.

8000 calories & still pretty lean. LMFAO.




(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_izgGY2LBT9Y/SYMt3wQEpzI/AAAAAAAAAwY/uEKMt4q5580/s1600/farmerstan.jpg)


One member of the teams management once said Michael Rasmussen can get down to 1.5% during a Tour. Is that do able figure?, considering massive calorie consumption?.



(http://i.imgur.com/DQZzE.jpg)
Title: Re: Stronglifts
Post by: $ick3nin.vend3tta on April 08, 2011, 07:59:25 pm
lol.

A tour cyclist trying to build mass can all but forget about becoming a great cyclist.
Title: Re: Stronglifts
Post by: Raptor on April 08, 2011, 08:20:46 pm
lol.

A tour cyclist trying to build mass can all but forget about becoming a great cyclist.

He can become a marathonist and GO FOR TEH GUNZ
Title: Re: Stronglifts
Post by: $ick3nin.vend3tta on April 08, 2011, 08:21:59 pm
He can become a marathonist and GO FOR TEH GUNZ


(http://learnmore.lawbore.net/images/thumb/4/47/Knowyourjudge-bemused.jpg/180px-Knowyourjudge-bemused.jpg)
Title: Re: Stronglifts
Post by: adarqui on April 08, 2011, 08:29:56 pm
lol.

A tour cyclist trying to build mass can all but forget about becoming a great cyclist.

i've seen some pics of some pretty big tour cyclists though.. mostly lower body of course, can't find the pics of full physique but here's one of just legs:

(http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/imageBank/c/Chris%20Hoy%20legs.jpg)


o shit lance:

(http://zentofitness.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/lance.jpeg)



arnold, 2 Tour De France titles:

(http://www.fuccit.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/arnold-bike.jpg)





some of these track cyclists have huge quads, but that's a much more power oriented sport:

(http://galleygrub.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/germantsprintwct32509125_0.jpg)




track cyclist chick:

(http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c187/laim85/NicerQuads.jpg)

Title: Re: Stronglifts
Post by: $ick3nin.vend3tta on April 08, 2011, 09:10:37 pm
Yeah... Barring Lance & Arrrrrrnold, there all track/power cyclists.

The pair at the top belong to Chris Hoy (Track).



From what I've seen, Robert Forstemann probably has the biggest legs in track cycling, but in terms of speed, he's not even in the same league as Grégory Baugé.



(http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/197019_10150170444573894_522708893_8420368_8376085_n.jpg)


(http://www.ssv-gera.de/aktuelles2008/robertfoerstemann-windkanal-20080422.jpg)


Meaty.


Title: Re: Stronglifts
Post by: adarqui on April 08, 2011, 09:31:13 pm
Yeah... Barring Lance & Arrrrrrnold, there all track/power cyclists.

The pair at the top belong to Chris Hoy (Track).



From what I've seen, Robert Forstemann probably has the biggest legs in track cycling, but in terms of speed, he's not even in the same league as Grégory Baugé.



(http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/197019_10150170444573894_522708893_8420368_8376085_n.jpg)


(http://www.ssv-gera.de/aktuelles2008/robertfoerstemann-windkanal-20080422.jpg)


Meaty.




damn that first pic is insane
Title: Re: Stronglifts
Post by: $ick3nin.vend3tta on April 08, 2011, 09:46:26 pm
You gonna start cycling to your dunk sessions adarqui?.  ;D  Save on gas money.

Develop some Forstemann quads.
Title: Re: Stronglifts
Post by: adarqui on April 08, 2011, 10:30:34 pm
You gonna start cycling to your dunk sessions adarqui?.  ;D  Save on gas money.

Develop some Forstemann quads.

nah hehe.. if i was going to target quads endurance style, i'd go the impact route, backward running 5k's.

:F
Title: Re: Stronglifts
Post by: dirksilver on April 09, 2011, 12:08:29 am
that chick! i think i just went to heaven! my gosh!
Title: Re: Stronglifts
Post by: Raptor on April 09, 2011, 06:37:27 pm
that chick! i think i just went to heaven! my gosh!

So you like men? That's men quads, she's actually ugly, way too exaggerated.
Title: Re: Stronglifts
Post by: $ick3nin.vend3tta on April 09, 2011, 07:34:25 pm
That's men quads, she's actually ugly, way too exaggerated.

+1.

If your woman ownz you in the bedroom, that's some nasty $hit right there.



Title: Re: Stronglifts
Post by: adarqui on April 09, 2011, 07:59:57 pm
that chick! i think i just went to heaven! my gosh!

she's hot as fuq dont listen to them
Title: Re: Stronglifts
Post by: Zetz on April 09, 2011, 09:10:25 pm
that chick! i think i just went to heaven! my gosh!

she's hot as fuq dont listen to them

She'll only own you in the bedroom if you're not alpha. Only alpha males would date her because only alphas would have better quads.
Title: Re: Stronglifts
Post by: dirksilver on April 09, 2011, 11:51:39 pm
that chick! i think i just went to heaven! my gosh!

she's hot as fuq dont listen to them

She'll only own you in the bedroom if you're not alpha. Only alpha males would date her because only alphas would have better quads.

amen!

i think we all know raptor isn't alfa
Title: Re: Stronglifts
Post by: adarqui on April 10, 2011, 04:15:25 am
that chick! i think i just went to heaven! my gosh!

she's hot as fuq dont listen to them

She'll only own you in the bedroom if you're not alpha. Only alpha males would date her because only alphas would have better quads.

amen!

i think we all know raptor isn't alfa

lmao

"omg her quads are so big she'd dominate me in the bedroom !!!"

ahaha
Title: Re: Stronglifts
Post by: Raptor on April 10, 2011, 05:30:54 am
Hahaha, I prefer chicks with good... posterior chain strength. And nice glute control and "awareness". Hairy quads won't cut it for me.
Title: Re: Stronglifts
Post by: dirksilver on April 10, 2011, 05:36:12 am
Hahaha, I prefer chicks with good... posterior chain strength. And nice glute control and "awareness". Hairy quads won't cut it for me.

i also am a fan of the posterior chain...and i bet she's got that covered too...what are you talking about hairy thighs?
Title: Re: Stronglifts
Post by: adarqui on April 10, 2011, 05:49:06 am
Hahaha, I prefer chicks with good... posterior chain strength. And nice glute control and "awareness". Hairy quads won't cut it for me.

i also am a fan of the posterior chain...and i bet she's got that covered too...what are you talking about hairy thighs?

x2

don't see any hair.. i find it funny how most men are turned off by big quads on a chick, i love it.. i'd take that chick any day in honor of quad nation.
Title: Re: Stronglifts
Post by: $ick3nin.vend3tta on April 10, 2011, 02:19:57 pm
The pic has been photoshopped.


Quote
Image name: NicerQuads.jpg
Orientation of image:  1
File changed date and time:  2009:12:09 21:34:00
Software used:  Adobe Photoshop CS4 Windows





Title: Re: Stronglifts
Post by: D-Rose Jr on April 10, 2011, 03:54:43 pm
nice job to whoever photoshopped it.
Title: Re: Stronglifts
Post by: TheSituation on April 10, 2011, 04:12:32 pm
Any professional pic is photoshopped. That doesn't mean those quads are fake
Title: Re: Stronglifts
Post by: Zetz on April 10, 2011, 05:54:40 pm
Any professional pic is photoshopped. That doesn't mean those quads are fake

That ^

Even the most minimal pictures used professionally are touched up at least a bit.
Title: Re: Stronglifts
Post by: $ick3nin.vend3tta on April 10, 2011, 06:10:01 pm
Could someone please enlighten me what they actually touched up via photshop?.



Maybe provide a name to confirm legitimacy?.







Title: Re: Stronglifts
Post by: dirksilver on April 10, 2011, 10:06:06 pm
Could someone please enlighten me what they actually touched up via photshop?.



Maybe provide a name to confirm legitimacy?.









this is just a guess but i'm assuming it was used for the lighting since it was a night pic...but this is from a guy who hasn't used photo shop in about 8 years so i could be(and wouldn't be suprised)if i'm completely off
Title: Re: Stronglifts
Post by: adarqui on April 11, 2011, 02:20:18 am
people say this is shopped too, don't even care tho if that's true :F

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_OHuS0Q5RvWI/TAlEncqQBoI/AAAAAAAAAEY/EUHD3P9WBuA/s1600/hot_girl_squat.jpg)



edit: two more pics of her

(http://www.t-nation.com/forum_images/8/8/88b27-chick1.jpg)

(http://www.t-nation.com/forum_images/b/0/b0c95-chick3.jpg)
Title: Re: Stronglifts
Post by: mj on April 11, 2011, 06:39:16 am
yeah diggin that chick!

I have that squat motivational poster up on the wall behind my power rack  ;D Love it.
Title: Re: Stronglifts
Post by: DamienZ on April 11, 2011, 07:58:35 am
Just because an image was processed with photoshop doesn't mean that it was shopped (liquify tool)
Title: Re: Stronglifts
Post by: D-Rose Jr on April 16, 2011, 04:27:17 pm
Discussion exploded all over the Internet last week after StrongLifts Member Jake’s article “Former Hardgainer Gains 100lb without Drugs or Getting Fat” in which he revealed the 6 weight gain strategies he used to gain 100lb in only 2,5y years. Unfortunately, I spotted lots of ignorant comments like these…

“He sure looks fat to me. Holding in his gut in the second pic.”
“If you switched the before after pictures I would have said nice job.”
“I don’t want to look like that. I’m happier ripped and squatting 300lbs.”
“Honestly it looks like you went from being a young boy to an old uncle.”
“It’s easier to eat and lift like a horse than to be balanced and disciplined.”
Let’s start with the original picture I posted, compared with a new picture that Jake just sent me. Pay close attention and tell me if Jake is truly a fatto.


StrongLifts Member Jake at 245lb vs. Jake at 228lb: pay attention to his gut.
If you still believe that StrongLifts Member Jake is a fatto because he doesn’t look like one of those frigging abercrombie models: congratulations – you have been successfully brainwashed by advertisements and muscle magazines. Some guys seem to consider anybody above 10% body fat to be fat. Get real.

Aside from the better lightening, here’s what made the dramatic difference in physique in the new picture that Jake just sent me…

I posted an after picture (left) of me at close to 245 pounds, although I listed my weight at 240. This is because I had just eaten a very large meal and drank a bunch of water, so I was nowhere near my dry weight. Needless to say, I was bloated as all hell! I was letting everything hang out, not flexing one muscle in my body. Why? Well you don’t walk around all flexed do you?

At the beginning of March 2011 I got Strep throat for the first time. Couldn’t eat properly for about 5 days. Then I went on vacation for 7. When I got back I weighed 228 pounds. That’s 12 pounds of weight loss in 12 days without even stepping foot in a gym. That’s around the time I took picture on the right and at the bottom.

-StrongLifts Member Jake, 18y, Canada.

This illustrates a point I’ve stressed before: fat loss is mostly a matter of diet. It took Jake 2,5y of training to accomplish a 600lb Squat and break the provencial record. But it only took him 12 days to eliminate his gut – do the math. The best part: Jake lost 10lb during vacation… in Cancun! He didn’t lift weights, he just partied, ate buffet and drank sugary drinks all day long and yet still lost 10lb.

Obviously NOT 17lb pure fat loss in 12 days. Be sure most of that weight loss is water loss combined with less bloat and less bowel content. Similarly, the 100lb weight Jake gained in 2,5y isn’t 100 pure muscle gain either. But who freaking cares? Jake is strong, not fat and feels good about his body. For the yearbook, classmates actually voted Jake #1 for “nicest body.” Excerpt from Jake’s log:

We just did the yearbook voting “most likely to succeed, largest cranium” etc. And I got the most votes for “biggest biceps” lol. I also -surprisingly- am at the top if not #1 for “nicest body”. That caught me by surprise because I assumed that we were all voting for this guy who looks like a goddamn Ambercrombie model. I guess some people like the thick back, thick legs look haha.

-StrongLifts Member Jake, 18y, Canada.

The 12day 17lb weight loss also shows how much Jake needs to eat to not only keep his weight, but also to continue gaining weight. And it shows why “It’s easier to eat and lift like a horse than to be balanced and disciplined” is pure idiocy. As if you don’t need darn discipline to eat 5000kcal every single day until you’re bloated. Heck, get under 600lb before claiming it’s easy to train like a horse.


Left: Jake in 2008 when he still thought of himself as a "hardgainer". Right: Jake today at 228lb after losing 17lb in only 12 days without stepping a foot in the gym.
Yes eating 15 eggs per day until bloated like Jake does is extreme. But that’s because he knows that weight gain is a tailwind to strength gains. And that’s also the answer to how he blew away the BC provencial record with his 600lb Squat and 600lb Deadlift … at age 18, after only 2,5y of training and without using any drugs. Dramatic results require drastic measures. As Jake says:

I’m all about performance over looks. I could look good all the time, or I could keep a layer of bodyfat allowing my strength to move quicker. Look at Benni Magnusson, would he be deadlifting 1015 pounds without that layer of fat covering his muscles? I think not. Some guys have the genetics to stay lean and get really strong, and that’s great! But I’m not one of them.

You may be happy with staying lean and squatting 300 pounds, but I’d rather carry some fat around and be able to squat 600 whenever I want. Nobody cares what you look like when you step onto the platform, it’s about how much you lift.

-StrongLifts Member Jake, 18y, Canada.

By the way, it’s perfectly okay NOT to want a 700lb Squat and 400lb Bench like StrongLifts Member Jake does, to value other things like aesthetics or fitness. Just remember almost all top bodybuilders including Schwarzenegger and Reg Park started as powerlifters. Do not be puzzled when SL Members like Jake lose their gut in a couple of days without even trying. Recognize we did the work.
Title: Re: Stronglifts
Post by: TheSituation on April 16, 2011, 04:36:38 pm
Saw that a week ago or so. Doesn't make sense. You can't claim he didn't get fat, but then say he had a gut.

And he's still fat in the new pic.


(http://stronglifts.com/wp-content/uploads/stronglifts-jake-lost-17lb.jpg)
Title: Re: Stronglifts
Post by: D-Rose Jr on April 16, 2011, 04:46:06 pm
i know. I haven't seen any pictures of Mehdi yet, but he is some guru.

"If you still believe that StrongLifts Member Jake is a fatto because he doesn’t look like one of those frigging abercrombie models: congratulations – you have been successfully brainwashed by advertisements and muscle magazines. Some guys seem to consider anybody above 10% body fat to be fat. Get real."

Are you fucking kidding me. First off i know very few bitches that find b.  Especially if you have "AS MUCH MUSCLE AS THIS GUY" you would be around 17%. I forgot Mehdi was the guy that never played any kind of sports and was a weak nerd that read and stole a bunch from guys like Rippetoe.

Wasn't rip the one that tried to make everyone a fatass and believed vertical jump couldn't be increased.

Title: Re: Stronglifts
Post by: TheSituation on April 16, 2011, 05:17:18 pm
And I hate his anti abercrombie and fitness magazine guys rant. They are on those ads and magazines because they look good. They didn't trick us into thinking they look good. That's not being brainwashed.
Title: Re: Stronglifts
Post by: aiir on April 16, 2011, 06:10:19 pm
And I hate his anti abercrombie and fitness magazine guys rant. They are on those ads and magazines because they look good. They didn't trick us into thinking they look good. That's not being brainwashed.

lol
Title: Re: Stronglifts
Post by: steventar on April 17, 2011, 02:24:57 am
Wasn't rip the one that tried to make everyone a fatass and believed vertical jump couldn't be increased.

rippetoe thinks vertical jump can't be increased? I dont remember reading that...
Title: Re: Stronglifts
Post by: TheSituation on April 17, 2011, 03:08:59 am
Quote from: Mark Rippetoe
Vertical jump is one of those physical parameters that is largely controlled by genetics. Like calves, you either have them or you don't. VJ can go up maybe 25-30% and that's all. It's impossible to improve without improving absolute strength, and this is why practice-based programs that simply apply plyometrics and jumping always fail if they don't include squats. If you're confident that most of your easily-available squat strength has been developed, and that you have then exhausted the potential for plyometric training to turn strength into explosion, the only thing available to you is the Olympic lifts. Cleans and snatches will be the tools that allow an already-conditioned jumper to make a little more increase.


http://startingstrength.com/resources/forum/showthread.php?t=9006&p=55740#post55740
Title: Re: Stronglifts
Post by: adarqui on April 17, 2011, 04:24:52 am
Quote from: Mark Rippetoe
Vertical jump is one of those physical parameters that is largely controlled by genetics. Like calves, you either have them or you don't. VJ can go up maybe 25-30% and that's all. It's impossible to improve without improving absolute strength, and this is why practice-based programs that simply apply plyometrics and jumping always fail if they don't include squats. If you're confident that most of your easily-available squat strength has been developed, and that you have then exhausted the potential for plyometric training to turn strength into explosion, the only thing available to you is the Olympic lifts. Cleans and snatches will be the tools that allow an already-conditioned jumper to make a little more increase.


http://startingstrength.com/resources/forum/showthread.php?t=9006&p=55740#post55740

"Vertical jump is one of those physical parameters that is largely controlled by genetics. Like calves, you either have them or you don't. "

that quote always cracks me up.. everything is controlled by genetics, unless we introduce a stimulus which causes the adaptations we seek.. that's why we lift weights etc, funny.. sprint speed is genetic, jumping is genetic, strength is genetic.. everything is genetic, you either have it or you don't AT THIS VERY INSTANT, but that doesn't mean you can't acquire it through proper intensive training.

derp.
Title: Re: Stronglifts
Post by: steventar on April 17, 2011, 10:59:09 pm
rippetoe definitely aint got no hops.
Title: Re: Stronglifts
Post by: TheSituation on April 14, 2012, 03:43:10 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/vXah3.png)








43 pounds of almost all muscle. lol

That was my point all along. The guy is delusional and thinks he looks good and actually gained that much muscle.. Has nothing to do with "you have to look good to tell people how to train", yet you retards who criticized me missed that boat.
Title: Re: Stronglifts
Post by: Raptor on April 14, 2012, 05:09:15 pm
Rippetoe sure looks different in these pictures