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Title: The Jump Manual - Jacob Hiller - Fraud? Legit? Scammer? Annoying "affiliates"?
Post by: adarqui on December 02, 2010, 11:49:18 pm
i've never read "the jump manual", so I cannot speak about the product.

My beef with Hiller and/or his affiliates, is that, when I search "vertical jump" in youtube and sort by upload date, all I see is a flood of very stupid jump manual advertisements, many of which steal other people's footage and put it in the videos. I have no idea if hiller does that himself, or if other people do it for him without his approval, regardless, it's so damn annoying. All I want to do is find vertical jump videos, and I have to sift through garbage like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mjU387Ux_4



or this, using WGF (WannaGetFast) & Frank Yang footage to advertise "the jump manual"..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7h_6byvBV4




this shit is pissing me off, WGF & Yang are legit, that for sure I know.. If Hiller has any control over his affiliates or these videos, if he would please tell them to stick to "jump manual" footage, and not use other people's footage in their videos. It's grimey and disrespectful.. If your product is legit, then it'll have testimonials, it'll have performance mixes, it'll have all that, don't steal the work of legit coaches & legit athletes and USE THEM to sell your product.

That is the definition of dirty & pathetic.

That's my main beef with this whole jump manual advertisement campaign right now. Flooding youtube & stealing footage is pathetic.
Title: Re: The Jump Manual - Jacob Hiller - Fraud? Legit? Scammer? Annoying "affiliates"?
Post by: KokoyPinoy on January 01, 2011, 07:02:21 am
http://freeverticaljumptraining.com/vertical-jump-programs/how-to-choose-a-vertical-jump-program/vertical-jump-programs-how-many-inches-can-i-expect-to-gain/ (http://freeverticaljumptraining.com/vertical-jump-programs/how-to-choose-a-vertical-jump-program/vertical-jump-programs-how-many-inches-can-i-expect-to-gain/)

I believe these claims by Jacob Hiller are way too exaggerated and may lead people to believe wrong informations about vertical jumping. What do you think?
Title: Re: The Jump Manual - Jacob Hiller - Fraud? Legit? Scammer? Annoying "affiliates"?
Post by: adarqui on January 01, 2011, 07:14:55 pm
http://freeverticaljumptraining.com/vertical-jump-programs/how-to-choose-a-vertical-jump-program/vertical-jump-programs-how-many-inches-can-i-expect-to-gain/ (http://freeverticaljumptraining.com/vertical-jump-programs/how-to-choose-a-vertical-jump-program/vertical-jump-programs-how-many-inches-can-i-expect-to-gain/)

I believe these claims by Jacob Hiller are way too exaggerated and may lead people to believe wrong informations about vertical jumping. What do you think?

an inch a week would be legendary, however, it all depends on what level the athlete is at already.. there's no way to really say generally how much you can gain in vert from any program, it all depends on experience level, strength, life stressors, diet, effort by the athlete, effective programming, etc.. so ya and inch a week is pretty much unheard off for 95+% of the population of athletes.
Title: Re: The Jump Manual - Jacob Hiller - Fraud? Legit? Scammer? Annoying "affiliates"?
Post by: KokoyPinoy on January 01, 2011, 07:48:34 pm
Before I learned the right informations about jumping, I easily believed the claims that Jacob Hiller said. But now, I don't believe anything he says and I think he is a bad guy >:( for misinforming people about their gains. I think he just said that to promote Jump Manual which is just a one-size-fits-all program as reported by Jack Woodrup:  http://www.verticaljumping.com/jump_manual.html (http://www.verticaljumping.com/jump_manual.html)
Title: Re: The Jump Manual - Jacob Hiller - Fraud? Legit? Scammer? Annoying "affiliates"?
Post by: adarqui on January 02, 2011, 12:30:41 am
Before I learned the right informations about jumping, I easily believed the claims that Jacob Hiller said. But now, I don't believe anything he says and I think he is a bad guy >:( for misinforming people about their gains. I think he just said that to promote Jump Manual which is just a one-size-fits-all program as reported by Jack Woodrup:  http://www.verticaljumping.com/jump_manual.html (http://www.verticaljumping.com/jump_manual.html)

well, i know one thing is for sure, making blanket claims about the gains (vert/speed etc) you can expect by doing a program, is part of what is wrong with the industry.. it just isn't that easy.. the chances of "one inch a week" for someone with good experience, or even 0.5" a week, is just not solid.. if it were, you'd see so many transformations it would be ridiculous.. All gains taper off quickly, so it depends on what level you're starting at, but 1" a week is pretty ridiculous.. 0.5" a week sounds more reasonable but that's only available for a short time, 2-3 months before having to reset and build a bigger base.. once you get to the "experienced" athlete stage, one who has spent considerable time lifting/jumping/sprinting etc, then gains are pretty hard to come by. Most gains then come from really pushing your limits and improving your base, then trying to peak with that new base, it's definitely not an easy process.. people who make it sound easy just muddy the crystal clear fiji-like waters that is real s&c.

pc
Title: Re: The Jump Manual - Jacob Hiller - Fraud? Legit? Scammer? Annoying "affiliates"?
Post by: JackW on January 03, 2011, 07:02:04 am
I like Jacob and do not wish to speak badly of him but anybody guaranteeing inches to sell programs is lying to sell programs. It is the GREAT LIE of most vertical jump programs. He isn't the only one who has done it but when you consider some of the others are Lowery (6 inches), and Maroko, it isn't good company.

I still think Jump Manual though is a better program than many others available, specially if you are just starting out.
Title: Re: The Jump Manual - Jacob Hiller - Fraud? Legit? Scammer? Annoying "affiliates"?
Post by: LanceSTS on January 03, 2011, 01:14:02 pm
 Claims of "1 inch a week" etc. are funny since gains in athleticism are rarely ever linear anyway, you may work 6 weeks before you ever gain much of anything, then gains may be realized at the end of the cycle in a very short time period, cumulatively.  If you averaged it out it may or may not come out to be some random number the program creator came up with per week but thats not how it works in the real world anyway.  Kids are training then testing their jump at the end of each week, dissapointed that they dont have their guaranteed 1".  Thats what sells programs though to youth searching the net for "vertical jump programs", if program x guarantees 10 inches and program y guarantees 12, theyre going with program y even though both are full of squatflex.
Title: Re: The Jump Manual - Jacob Hiller - Fraud? Legit? Scammer? Annoying "affiliates"?
Post by: Raptor on January 03, 2011, 01:56:26 pm
Claims of "1 inch a week" etc. are funny since gains in athleticism are rarely ever linear anyway, you may work 6 weeks before you ever gain much of anything, then gains may be realized at the end of the cycle in a very short time period, cumulatively.  If you averaged it out it may or may not come out to be some random number the program creator came up with per week but thats not how it works in the real world anyway.  Kids are training then testing their jump at the end of each week, dissapointed that they dont have their guaranteed 1".  Thats what sells programs though to youth searching the net for "vertical jump programs", if program x guarantees 10 inches and program y guarantees 12, theyre going with program y even though both are full of squatflex.

x1000

It's basically detrimental to training as a concept. I mean, forget concepts, detrimental to EVERYTHING training wise because it gives and forms the wrong training mentality to begin with.

When you think about it, training really is simple. There's nothing that complicated that you need a program or whatever. At best, your form as a beginner needs correction and then it's all a matter of consistency, nutrition, rest and good form and common sense. Some flexibility work and core and that's it.
Title: Re: The Jump Manual - Jacob Hiller - Fraud? Legit? Scammer? Annoying "affiliates"?
Post by: Ice-O on February 05, 2011, 03:18:42 pm
 Jacob is a beast but I think adarq do the same thing and with the backboard in hand


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4GXUhFV6EI



How does he do it?
Title: Re: The Jump Manual - Jacob Hiller - Fraud? Legit? Scammer? Annoying "affiliates"?
Post by: adarqui on February 05, 2011, 04:33:39 pm
Jacob is a beast but I think adarq do the same thing and with the backboard in hand


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4GXUhFV6EI



How does he do it?

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

mr pictures strikes again.. no vid guys, respect my privacy!

<-- dies laughing.

edit: ok sure he might not have been filming at the time, but put up some legit dunk vids already.
Title: Re: The Jump Manual - Jacob Hiller - Fraud? Legit? Scammer? Annoying "affiliates"?
Post by: John Stamos on February 05, 2011, 05:14:23 pm
so he only got wrist over rim
Title: Re: The Jump Manual - Jacob Hiller - Fraud? Legit? Scammer? Annoying "affiliates"?
Post by: TheSituation on February 05, 2011, 05:17:39 pm
At least he's dedicated enough to cut himself with a razor blade so it looks like he broke the backboard.
Title: Re: The Jump Manual - Jacob Hiller - Fraud? Legit? Scammer? Annoying "affiliates"?
Post by: John Stamos on February 05, 2011, 05:18:52 pm
considering adarqs response to Jonsey, i wouldnt be surprised if he makes a similar video
Title: Re: The Jump Manual - Jacob Hiller - Fraud? Legit? Scammer? Annoying "affiliates"?
Post by: adarqui on February 05, 2011, 05:35:55 pm
At least he's dedicated enough to cut himself with a razor blade so it looks like he broke the backboard.

hahahahahahahaha
Title: Re: The Jump Manual - Jacob Hiller - Fraud? Legit? Scammer? Annoying "affiliates"?
Post by: Raptor on February 05, 2011, 06:23:05 pm
At least he's dedicated enough to cut himself with a razor blade so it looks like he broke the backboard.

hahahahahahahaha

And he destroyed his... "powerbeats" by just his plain and simple sweat! AMAZING!

I don't think he cut himself. That's photoshopped.
Title: Re: The Jump Manual - Jacob Hiller - Fraud? Legit? Scammer? Annoying "affiliates"?
Post by: adarqui on February 05, 2011, 06:25:01 pm
At least he's dedicated enough to cut himself with a razor blade so it looks like he broke the backboard.

hahahahahahahaha

And he destroyed his... "powerbeats" by just his plain and simple sweat! AMAZING!

I don't think he cut himself. That's photoshopped.

we need to get a blood splatter specialist on this one.
Title: Re: The Jump Manual - Jacob Hiller - Fraud? Legit? Scammer? Annoying "affiliates"?
Post by: Raptor on February 05, 2011, 08:15:17 pm
At least he's dedicated enough to cut himself with a razor blade so it looks like he broke the backboard.

hahahahahahahaha

And he destroyed his... "powerbeats" by just his plain and simple sweat! AMAZING!

I don't think he cut himself. That's photoshopped.

we need to get a blood splatter specialist on this one.


AC Barch could figure it out, trust me.
Title: Re: The Jump Manual - Jacob Hiller - Fraud? Legit? Scammer? Annoying "affiliates"?
Post by: John Stamos on February 05, 2011, 09:37:03 pm
we dont need anymore boner at rim pics
Title: Re: The Jump Manual - Jacob Hiller - Fraud? Legit? Scammer? Annoying "affiliates"?
Post by: adarqui on February 06, 2011, 11:42:09 pm
boner dunk pics awesome.. deep lacerations on wrist after ripping an entire rim off a backboard, more awesome.

(http://i.imgur.com/YTss0.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/JOt6s.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/jn9kH.png)
Title: Re: The Jump Manual - Jacob Hiller - Fraud? Legit? Scammer? Annoying "affiliates"?
Post by: BMully on February 07, 2011, 01:36:23 am
boner dunk pics awesome.. deep lacerations on wrist after ripping an entire rim off a backboard, more awesome.

(http://i.imgur.com/YTss0.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/JOt6s.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/jn9kH.png)


adarq, compare wrist injuries..whose is deeper lulz

that is pretty boss to do imo.
Title: Re: The Jump Manual - Jacob Hiller - Fraud? Legit? Scammer? Annoying "affiliates"?
Post by: Raptor on February 07, 2011, 04:32:13 am
Is it just me or that rim is like really low? If you imagine putting that on the backboard, it would be really low.
Title: Re: The Jump Manual - Jacob Hiller - Fraud? Legit? Scammer? Annoying "affiliates"?
Post by: adarqui on February 07, 2011, 05:14:16 am
Is it just me or that rim is like really low? If you imagine putting that on the backboard, it would be really low.

dno, hard to tell unless he was under it.. i can see where it would be 10' though if he backed up and got under it..

who knows, one thing we know though is, pics-no-vids.

that cut keeps cracking me up too, 'looks deep', but i just cant see how it would bleed like that, like a "paint strip".. brb calling blood splatter specialist..

why is it that all of the questionable people ALWAYS have something fucked up in the pictures, even if it could be legit, it just messes with your head... how does a deep looking laceration on the WRIST end up looking like it dripped down his wrist like it was painted on, wtf?

i've had 9 stitches and 7 stitches, that shit had blood EVERYWHERE.. lol whatever it just cracks me up how people keep going this route.

remember, don't drop vids, drop pics.
Title: Re: The Jump Manual - Jacob Hiller - Fraud? Legit? Scammer? Annoying "affiliates"?
Post by: Sean0013 on February 07, 2011, 08:54:34 am
LOL,LOL,LOL,LOL. ROFLcopter!

BULLSHIT! HAHAHAH...look at how the blood has been spread down his arm...complete BS!
Title: Re: The Jump Manual - Jacob Hiller - Fraud? Legit? Scammer? Annoying "affiliates"?
Post by: Raptor on February 07, 2011, 09:22:40 am
Would you stop calling it "blood"???

Duh... :uhhhfacepalm:

 :P
Title: Re: The Jump Manual - Jacob Hiller - Fraud? Legit? Scammer? Annoying "affiliates"?
Post by: John Stamos on February 07, 2011, 11:30:11 am
when you dunk, normally doesnt the front of your wrist hit the rim and not the side of your wrist, unless he just sucks at life
Title: Re: The Jump Manual - Jacob Hiller - Fraud? Legit? Scammer? Annoying "affiliates"?
Post by: DamienZ on February 07, 2011, 02:12:31 pm
how did he cut his wrist on the rim?

:uhhhfacepalm:
Title: Re: The Jump Manual - Jacob Hiller - Fraud? Legit? Scammer? Annoying "affiliates"?
Post by: adarqui on February 07, 2011, 04:08:51 pm
when you dunk, normally doesnt the front of your wrist hit the rim and not the side of your wrist, unless he just sucks at life

ya forgot to mention that, good point, he karate chopped it in mid air.

that's pretty impressive actually, RVJ + karate chop = rim snapping off the backboard..
Title: Re: The Jump Manual - Jacob Hiller - Fraud? Legit? Scammer? Annoying "affiliates"?
Post by: BMully on February 07, 2011, 08:11:29 pm
yea, now that i think about it. There should be nothing but a bruise. It had me at first though, it's kinda tricky. The cut looks pretty paint like, it does not look like there is any skin to show. And would'nt the cut go down since you hit the rim, he would fall back down and cut it even more.
Title: Re: The Jump Manual - Jacob Hiller - Fraud? Legit? Scammer? Annoying "affiliates"?
Post by: adarqui on February 07, 2011, 08:29:08 pm
yea, now that i think about it. There should be nothing but a bruise. It had me at first though, it's kinda tricky. The cut looks pretty paint like, it does not look like there is any skin to show. And would'nt the cut go down since you hit the rim, he would fall back down and cut it even more.

I spoke with a Blood Splatter Specialist from Miami Metro PD, she said it looks fake. She said there's no way it would create the kind of marking because of variations in "drip vectors".

She said, "It looks like a grade 2 laceration which could possibly be caused by slamming into the box holding the rim in place with an immense amount of force, but the drip vectors don't line up with that type of impact injury and laceration depth. A laceration of that sort would have multiple distributaries which converge into one confluence or a confluence which separates into multiple distributaries. This however, is not demonstrated in the picture, which defies impact injury & grade 2 laceration blood flow. What we have here is a relatively thick blood flow of even proportion which is not congruent with true grade 1-3 lacerations from impact injuries."


lmfao.
Title: Re: The Jump Manual - Jacob Hiller - Fraud? Legit? Scammer? Annoying "affiliates"?
Post by: John Stamos on February 07, 2011, 08:43:40 pm
lol is he still playing with his BFFS in india or whatever? cuz id love to see him respond to this.



but he can be an amature emo, and hasnt mastered the skill of the razor blade yet
Title: Re: The Jump Manual - Jacob Hiller - Fraud? Legit? Scammer? Annoying "affiliates"?
Post by: BMully on February 07, 2011, 08:47:17 pm
yea, now that i think about it. There should be nothing but a bruise. It had me at first though, it's kinda tricky. The cut looks pretty paint like, it does not look like there is any skin to show. And would'nt the cut go down since you hit the rim, he would fall back down and cut it even more.

I spoke with a Blood Splatter Specialist from Miami Metro PD, she said it looks fake. She said there's no way it would create the kind of marking because of variations in "drip vectors".

She said, "It looks like a grade 2 laceration which could possibly be caused by slamming into the box holding the rim in place with an immense amount of force, but the drip vectors don't line up with that type of impact injury and laceration depth. A laceration of that sort would have multiple distributaries which converge into one confluence or a confluence which separates into multiple distributaries. This however, is not demonstrated in the picture, which defies impact injury & grade 2 laceration blood flow. What we have here is a relatively thick blood flow of even proportion which is not congruent with true grade 1-3 lacerations from impact injuries."


lmfao.


Just to be certain, who are you making fun of here?  sorry that i can't tell if you make fun of me, but look at that ^^
Title: Re: The Jump Manual - Jacob Hiller - Fraud? Legit? Scammer? Annoying "affiliates"?
Post by: adarqui on February 07, 2011, 09:07:43 pm
yea, now that i think about it. There should be nothing but a bruise. It had me at first though, it's kinda tricky. The cut looks pretty paint like, it does not look like there is any skin to show. And would'nt the cut go down since you hit the rim, he would fall back down and cut it even more.

I spoke with a Blood Splatter Specialist from Miami Metro PD, she said it looks fake. She said there's no way it would create the kind of marking because of variations in "drip vectors".

She said, "It looks like a grade 2 laceration which could possibly be caused by slamming into the box holding the rim in place with an immense amount of force, but the drip vectors don't line up with that type of impact injury and laceration depth. A laceration of that sort would have multiple distributaries which converge into one confluence or a confluence which separates into multiple distributaries. This however, is not demonstrated in the picture, which defies impact injury & grade 2 laceration blood flow. What we have here is a relatively thick blood flow of even proportion which is not congruent with true grade 1-3 lacerations from impact injuries."


lmfao.


Just to be certain, who are you making fun of here?  sorry that i can't tell if you make fun of me, but look at that ^^

man what the fuck are you talking about........
Title: Re: The Jump Manual - Jacob Hiller - Fraud? Legit? Scammer? Annoying "affiliates"?
Post by: Jacob Hiller on April 27, 2011, 05:35:23 pm
lol. I can't believe my cut wrist pictures are under the microscope... awesome.

Not sure what more I can tell you.. .the best thing is to let me hook you up with some Indian athletes who were actually there... I think the guy who took the pic for me is actually there.

I do see people gain inch/week... but they don't sustain that gain for super long periods of time.

I also think 10 inches on the running vert is very possible in a 12 week period, but not for everyone and I explain that in the video on the site.

What with improvements to form, contraction speed, strength, coordination... it's very possible.  10 inches to a standing vert is a different animal.

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The rims low! 
He cut his wrist!

I did an decent 2 hander on that rim and it broke off... I held on and the back part swung down and made a shallow cut on my wrist.  The blood trickled a bit.  Nothing serious.

Is the story cool enough to merit conspiracy theories?

It's an outdoor court with weather worn glass back boards... bound to happen and did.  Cool... but not THAT cool.

There were seriously at least 40 eye witnesses, as they were having a basketball practice that day.

lol -  I can't believe I'm arguing about this...

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so he only got wrist over rim

LOL

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BULLSHIT! HAHAHAH...look at how the blood has been spread down his arm...complete BS!

LOLL - amazing!

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cuz id love to see him respond to this.

LOL - I'm serious laughing out loud right now... (hence the LOL)... 

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And he destroyed his... "powerbeats" by just his plain and simple sweat! AMAZING!

I don't think he cut himself. That's photoshopped.

Seriously?  hahah.. I can't believe my Powebeats story is under review?... lol

You think I was happy about buying $100 + headphones and then they are ruined ... yes just by sweating.. crazy huh?

A quick google search revealed I wasn't the only one that had them ruined by sweat...
http://reviews.bestbuy.com/3545/1232483/beats-by-dr-dre-monster-powerbeats-earbud-headphones-black-reviews/reviews.htm?sort=rating&dir=asc

I'm trying to make my sweat cryptonite to Powerbeats...

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Just to be certain, who are you making fun of here?  sorry that i can't tell if you make fun of me, but look at that ^^

 :wowthatwasnutswtf:

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considering adarqs response to Jonsey, i wouldnt be surprised if he makes a similar video

I'm curious what this is...?
Title: Re: The Jump Manual - Jacob Hiller - Fraud? Legit? Scammer? Annoying "affiliates"?
Post by: adarqui on April 27, 2011, 06:02:39 pm
lol. I can't believe my cut wrist pictures are under the microscope... awesome.

Not sure what more I can tell you.. .the best thing is to let me hook you up with some Indian athletes who were actually there... I think the guy who took the pic for me is actually there.

I do see people gain inch/week... but they don't sustain that gain for super long periods of time.

I also think 10 inches on the running vert is very possible in a 12 week period, but not for everyone and I explain that in the video on the site.

What with improvements to form, contraction speed, strength, coordination... it's very possible.  10 inches to a standing vert is a different animal.

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The rims low! 
He cut his wrist!

I did an decent 2 hander on that rim and it broke off... I held on and the back part swung down and made a shallow cut on my wrist.  The blood trickled a bit.  Nothing serious.

Is the story cool enough to merit conspiracy theories?

It's an outdoor court with weather worn glass back boards... bound to happen and did.  Cool... but not THAT cool.

There were seriously at least 40 eye witnesses, as they were having a basketball practice that day.

lol -  I can't believe I'm arguing about this...

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so he only got wrist over rim

LOL

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BULLSHIT! HAHAHAH...look at how the blood has been spread down his arm...complete BS!

LOLL - amazing!

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cuz id love to see him respond to this.

LOL - I'm serious laughing out loud right now... (hence the LOL)... 

Quote
And he destroyed his... "powerbeats" by just his plain and simple sweat! AMAZING!

I don't think he cut himself. That's photoshopped.

Seriously?  hahah.. I can't believe my Powebeats story is under review?... lol

You think I was happy about buying $100 + headphones and then they are ruined ... yes just by sweating.. crazy huh?

A quick google search revealed I wasn't the only one that had them ruined by sweat...
http://reviews.bestbuy.com/3545/1232483/beats-by-dr-dre-monster-powerbeats-earbud-headphones-black-reviews/reviews.htm?sort=rating&dir=asc

I'm trying to make my sweat cryptonite to Powerbeats...

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Just to be certain, who are you making fun of here?  sorry that i can't tell if you make fun of me, but look at that ^^

 :wowthatwasnutswtf:

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considering adarqs response to Jonsey, i wouldnt be surprised if he makes a similar video

I'm curious what this is...?


exactly, i don't know what everyone is fussing about.. unlike most people i actually like videos with only pictures in them. videos of pictures of videos is more fun it's kind of like women and lingerie, let your mind fill in the blanks.
Title: Re: The Jump Manual - Jacob Hiller - Fraud? Legit? Scammer? Annoying "affiliates"?
Post by: Cloud3205 on April 27, 2011, 06:08:15 pm
lol. I can't believe my cut wrist pictures are under the microscope... awesome.

Not sure what more I can tell you.. .the best thing is to let me hook you up with some Indian athletes who were actually there... I think the guy who took the pic for me is actually there.

I do see people gain inch/week... but they don't sustain that gain for super long periods of time.

I also think 10 inches on the running vert is very possible in a 12 week period, but not for everyone and I explain that in the video on the site.

What with improvements to form, contraction speed, strength, coordination... it's very possible.  10 inches to a standing vert is a different animal.

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The rims low! 
He cut his wrist!

I did an decent 2 hander on that rim and it broke off... I held on and the back part swung down and made a shallow cut on my wrist.  The blood trickled a bit.  Nothing serious.

Is the story cool enough to merit conspiracy theories?

It's an outdoor court with weather worn glass back boards... bound to happen and did.  Cool... but not THAT cool.

There were seriously at least 40 eye witnesses, as they were having a basketball practice that day.

lol -  I can't believe I'm arguing about this...

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so he only got wrist over rim

LOL

Quote
BULLSHIT! HAHAHAH...look at how the blood has been spread down his arm...complete BS!

LOLL - amazing!

Quote
cuz id love to see him respond to this.

LOL - I'm serious laughing out loud right now... (hence the LOL)... 

Quote
And he destroyed his... "powerbeats" by just his plain and simple sweat! AMAZING!

I don't think he cut himself. That's photoshopped.

Seriously?  hahah.. I can't believe my Powebeats story is under review?... lol

You think I was happy about buying $100 + headphones and then they are ruined ... yes just by sweating.. crazy huh?

A quick google search revealed I wasn't the only one that had them ruined by sweat...
http://reviews.bestbuy.com/3545/1232483/beats-by-dr-dre-monster-powerbeats-earbud-headphones-black-reviews/reviews.htm?sort=rating&dir=asc

I'm trying to make my sweat cryptonite to Powerbeats...

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Just to be certain, who are you making fun of here?  sorry that i can't tell if you make fun of me, but look at that ^^

 :wowthatwasnutswtf:

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considering adarqs response to Jonsey, i wouldnt be surprised if he makes a similar video

I'm curious what this is...?


Jacob, face it, you have been CALLED OUT.  If I were you I'd start carrying around a camera to film every session so we can see you for what you are - A BIG LIAR.  

Seriously though, I am thankful for Jacob for taking the time for helping me with my vertical.  I couldn't touch the rim when I started, and with his help I was able to alley-oop a ball in little over a year's time.  In a similar fashion I am grateful to Lance for helping me with my vertical jump now and getting me passed the alley-oop to a dunk.  Jacob gave me free coaching for over a year even though I was supposed to pay the $9.99 a month yet everyone just says he is money hungry.  I can hear what you guys are saying about the squatflex being a scam, but this stuff about him not really breaking the rim and this stuff about him lying about the powerbeats, I mean, at this point you guys are just being conspiracy theorists and petty.

Please understand that if Lance were on a forum somewhere and people were flaming him, I would defend him to because he helped me as well and trust him.
Title: Re: The Jump Manual - Jacob Hiller - Fraud? Legit? Scammer? Annoying "affiliates"?
Post by: Jacob Hiller on April 27, 2011, 06:22:50 pm
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exactly, i don't know what everyone is fussing about.. unlike most people i actually like videos with only pictures in them. videos of pictures of videos is more fun it's kind of like women and lingerie, let your mind fill in the blanks.

HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! lol

Exactly... you're not the only one.  I find that most people prefer the still pics for the lingerie effect... I call them "still vids."

I didn't know the rim was going to break... or I might have recorded it... and posted a better pic sequence for the still vid.

- Thanks for the words Cloud...

I respect Lance and I respect Andrew and many others on the site.

We don't agree on lots of stuff, but who cares... we both think we're right.  But only one of us is...  :headbang:

Seriously though the Powerbeats is the best... whyTF would I lie about sweat ruining my Powerbeats?  So my sweat would seem superhuman?

- But the site says sweat won't break Powerbeats!... as you all know you can't believe everything a website says ;)

Title: Re: The Jump Manual - Jacob Hiller - Fraud? Legit? Scammer? Annoying "affiliates"?
Post by: adarqui on April 27, 2011, 06:27:41 pm
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exactly, i don't know what everyone is fussing about.. unlike most people i actually like videos with only pictures in them. videos of pictures of videos is more fun it's kind of like women and lingerie, let your mind fill in the blanks.

HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! lol

Exactly... you're not the only one.  I find that most people prefer the still pics for the lingerie effect... I call them "still vids."

ya, most people don't know shit about dunk videos/performance videos etc.. i'd rather see a video of pictures taken from video that capture the moment in one shot.. for example, usain bolt's 9.5x WR, did i really have to waste 10 seconds of my life watching that video? no, the pic of him doing his lighting bolt pose at the end, or the celebration as he creeps closer to the finish line with everyone in his dust is all i need to see.. bottom line, i got too much stuff to do in life than watch actual video, just show me pics/still frames/still vids and im good, can skip through real ez and get just as much out of it.




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I didn't know the rim was going to break... or I might have recorded it... and posted a better pic sequence for the still vid.

- Thanks for the words Cloud...

I respect Lance and I respect Andrew and many others on the site.

We don't agree on lots of stuff, but who cares... we both think we're right.  But only one of us is...  :headbang:

Seriously though the Powerbeats is the best... whyTF would I lie about sweat ruining my Powerbeats?  So my sweat would seem superhuman?

- But the site says sweat won't break Powerbeats!... as you all know you can't believe everything a website says ;)



right, i do concede that you are more right than me in all honesty.. leg press is far more effective than squat variations, if i had a leg press that's what i would do instead of squatting, i'd just leg press and squatflex.

lol i don't even know what this powerbeats stuff is about but i've broken a few pair myself while hitting my head on 10' rims, getting the powerbeats snagged on the rim.

peace man
Title: Re: The Jump Manual - Jacob Hiller - Fraud? Legit? Scammer? Annoying "affiliates"?
Post by: Jacob Hiller on May 02, 2011, 06:52:58 pm
Thought this might help to convince about the back board breaking "scam" pics...

I didn't know I was going to break it... Or I def would have saved the video for at least this occasion!

Here is the vid that I showed Cloud back in a coaching session. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44gQK9OKWeY