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Re: This forum is dying down, BUT...
« Reply #45 on: January 31, 2014, 01:58:55 pm »
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I'm not going anywhere. Its nice to see others progress and bounce ideas around.
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Re: This forum is dying down, BUT...
« Reply #46 on: January 31, 2014, 03:00:30 pm »
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I don't really "care" that much... smart people will continue, non-enthusiastic people will leave. Whatevs'

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Re: This forum is dying down, BUT...
« Reply #47 on: February 01, 2014, 08:45:45 am »
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I don't really "care" that much...

http://www.adarq.org/stats/

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Re: This forum is dying down, BUT...
« Reply #48 on: February 01, 2014, 12:09:32 pm »
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What I mean is - I will still complete my journal and go on with my training regardless.

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Re: This forum is dying down, BUT...
« Reply #49 on: February 01, 2014, 12:23:42 pm »
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Fair. I never thought you were leaving anyway. If we, sadly, go back to a handful of journals in here, i would bet tons of money that yours would be one of them.
Well, let's just see what happens, it ain't over till it's over...
« Last Edit: February 01, 2014, 12:33:31 pm by vag »
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Re: This forum is dying down, BUT...
« Reply #50 on: February 01, 2014, 03:57:58 pm »
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Can I bet against me and then retire and win the bet?

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Re: This forum is dying down, BUT...
« Reply #51 on: February 03, 2014, 11:31:32 pm »
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OK, I've been thinking about this issue for awhile now and finally got a chance to post something...

The forum is definitely more 'specialised' nowadays. We have lost a lot of the 'chaff' (i.e. trolls like hyperdunk, complete idiots like Harvey M asking stupid questions, bots etc.) and now it's mostly the dedicated trainees left journalling. On the flip side, a lot of promising journals from recently joined members (~1 year) have dropped off over the last year or so for whatever reason. Just look down the list of the journals section of journals that started strong but fizzled out after a few months: Ahotzo, Coges, Ryno2892, Jake, Final Phenom, flyingthunder and so on. Not to mention strong-posting veteran members like D4, Flander, Joe, creativelyric etc. all seem to have left as well (not to mention resident troll-slayers J-DUB and TheSituation). This means that eventually the forum's overall activity has to drop a bit. It's like if an entire NBA draft class went to another league. It won't affect the quality of the NBA for the next season, but eventually the talent pool becomes shallower and the quality of play decreases due to the lack of quality replacements.

Of course, most journals do not go very far, the attrition rate is probably 80-90% in the first 6 months. Obviously it's crazy to expect every new member to stay, but when the rate of new members is currently so low, it does eventually add up. So how to reverse the forum's slide into the TVS wasteland? I guess the two relevant questions are:

- Why are new members leaving (or non-members not joining and not starting journals), apart from external reasons such as getting injured? I believe that a big reason why people don't stay around as much is the lack of proper/official coaching. Adarq is into other things (which, as stated many times, is totally fine and it's very cool he even keeps the site up for no money in ads or anything), and Lance mysteriously left awhile ago. New members do get help but it's not with the same authority as a 'coach'.

Furthermore, back in the day when there was a lot more traffic, having a wide variety of boards made more sense as there was a greater range of members reading the forum with a greater range of interests. But these days, it seems a bit cluttered IMO. Most of the main boards are fine, but you could probably lose a lot of the sport-specific boards and condense some of the off-topic boards into one, so when non-members first look at the site, there's more emphasis on the training-related boards and it's clearer where the all the good stuff is.

- How to increase the rate of new journals? In other words, how to get new members to the forum and journalling? Well this is trickier as it really depends on increasing the awareness of the site. Primarily this was driven by adarq's youtube videos, but in lieu of those, you're just relying on people randomly coming across the site through google searches on vert-related topics etc.

With that in mind, here are my completely individual and in no way definitive suggestions to Adarq to help resuscitate the forum a bit:

1. Promote T0ddday to coach ASAP (if he's interested). Maybe take a poll to see if other coaches should be promoted and who they would be.

2. Upgrade some of the die-hards (e.g. Raptor, vag, LBSS, entropy) to mods to establish a bit more of a hierarchy. Currently the only other non-coach mod is Joe and he doesn't post any more.

3. Streamline some of the boards so visitors get a strong first impression of the site as the hardcore athletic performance training site that it is.

4. Clear out the progress journal section so only the currently updated journals are in there (new mods could do this). Make it a real accomplishment to maintain a beastly journal in the progress journal section.

In terms of promotion of the site, this is tricky as it requires a lot more effort than the above changes. I know I found the site through adarq's youtube videos, and this is probably the best avenue to attract new members. BUT this whole area is really none of my business - it's totally up to adarq to determine what he would want to do or not do, so I won't post any suggestions. However, I will say that I, for one, wouldn't be averse to paid google ads or similar if it meant there was an incentive to get more members to the site.
« Last Edit: February 04, 2014, 12:01:54 am by acole14 »

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Re: This forum is dying down, BUT...
« Reply #52 on: February 04, 2014, 06:19:27 am »
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Very nice post acole! I like the way you type, even long posts like the above are still dense, every paragraph and sentence is right on target.

It is the veterans leaving that bothers me most. And it bugs me more that whenever they post, they confirm they still train. Flander does, cowed does, i am sure joe does too but joe was never consistent with journaling anyway, he will randomly appear and start logging again. Even kingfish is now posting only once per week, he posts a weekly template and then edits the post with the daily numbers. Dreyth is still around but his journal has sex updates, lol. He will be back soon though, i am sure of it. Avishek also said he will be posting weekly instead of daily and since then he never posted again, but he is also around. Anyway, it is not so important to personalise it, even more on a narrow time window. It may look totally different in half a year. Life happens, we must never forget that. But for those who are still here, post your damn daily workouts, even if they are boring and unexciting, it is not the PR thread, it is the training journal!

About mods, you can see me crying out for moderation earlier in this topic. However, i am not sure the posts count/subscription date is enough to qualify someone. Adarqui had very specific ideas about how to moderate, he never banned, never deleted messages, nothing. A moderator should be someone trustworthy that would not disturb the balance, the mentality of the forum. Also he should be someone that has the time and will to do that job, it could get demanding eventualy.

About coach, totally agree about it, an official forum coach, with coach-user-level too, a separate colour on nick etc! And of course it is toddday, he is unofficialy doing it for long time already. But then again, we have to ask him, because it is one thing to intervent in specific topics you find interesting and another to have to check and respond to every single user request. I still can't believe how much consistent and efficient adarqui and Lance were with that!

How about the forum nominating mods/coaches , them accepting or not the nomimation and then the forum voting them thgrough a poll? One coach and two mods would be perfect for current size/traffic i believe.

What does everyone else think?
« Last Edit: February 04, 2014, 06:44:52 am by vag »
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Re: This forum is dying down, BUT...
« Reply #53 on: February 04, 2014, 01:10:45 pm »
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I think adarq and Lance were very consistent with their "forum coaching" because they are (were) passionate guys about it. And I think that's really the most important thing in the world about coaching.

You can't just "pretend to be" passionate... you have to BE passionate. And then it's really easy. You don't even know how you responded to 10 posts in the last half an hour if you are passionate about the subject. Plus you also learn stuff while doing it because each scenario and situation you try to solve forces you to think about stuff and put 2 and 2 together.

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Re: This forum is dying down, BUT...
« Reply #54 on: February 04, 2014, 11:33:38 pm »
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Very nice post acole! I like the way you type, even long posts like the above are still dense, every paragraph and sentence is right on target.

It is the veterans leaving that bothers me most. And it bugs me more that whenever they post, they confirm they still train. Flander does, cowed does, i am sure joe does too but joe was never consistent with journaling anyway, he will randomly appear and start logging again. Even kingfish is now posting only once per week, he posts a weekly template and then edits the post with the daily numbers. Dreyth is still around but his journal has sex updates, lol. He will be back soon though, i am sure of it. Avishek also said he will be posting weekly instead of daily and since then he never posted again, but he is also around. Anyway, it is not so important to personalise it, even more on a narrow time window. It may look totally different in half a year. Life happens, we must never forget that. But for those who are still here, post your damn daily workouts, even if they are boring and unexciting, it is not the PR thread, it is the training journal!

Yeah I think the loss of veteran members is a big factor as well. Lost quite a lot in the last year or so.


About mods, you can see me crying out for moderation earlier in this topic. However, i am not sure the posts count/subscription date is enough to qualify someone. Adarqui had very specific ideas about how to moderate, he never banned, never deleted messages, nothing. A moderator should be someone trustworthy that would not disturb the balance, the mentality of the forum. Also he should be someone that has the time and will to do that job, it could get demanding eventualy.

I liked how adarq moderated as well, not banning people excessively or deleting messages. On other forums you can get banned at the drop of a hat, would feel very restrictive and totalitarian. New mods should definitely follow his approach.

About coach, totally agree about it, an official forum coach, with coach-user-level too, a separate colour on nick etc! And of course it is toddday, he is unofficialy doing it for long time already. But then again, we have to ask him, because it is one thing to intervent in specific topics you find interesting and another to have to check and respond to every single user request. I still can't believe how much consistent and efficient adarqui and Lance were with that!

That is what the forum is screaming out for I think. But I know Toddday is very busy as a researcher as well as training so only if he felt OK with it. If not him then I'm sure someone else could be nominated.

How about the forum nominating mods/coaches , them accepting or not the nomimation and then the forum voting them thgrough a poll? One coach and two mods would be perfect for current size/traffic i believe.

What does everyone else think?

Agreed, one coach and two new mods would be good. I would personally be fine with any combination of vag, entropy, LBSS or Raptor as mods. All have been around long enough and know the site well. And also Raptor for coach if Toddday didn't want to do it. I think he's proved that he's knowledgable enough to help newbies at least and is definitely around enough! Maybe we could create a separate topic for this process and post it in the shout-out box at the top of the site so people see it.

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Re: This forum is dying down, BUT...
« Reply #55 on: February 05, 2014, 07:40:23 am »
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i'm kind of with raptor, you can't really "nominate" a coach who hasn't already nominated himself. if t0ddday wants to spend more time in here we'd all benefit but his expertise is mainly in sprinting, physiology and nutrition/metabolism. he's not ignorant about other stuff but he's not an experienced real-life coach the way adarq and lance are (i.e., never made his living training people).

as far as having new mods, i do think that would be a good idea. also, adarq wasn't finished redesigning the site when he went off into his new adventures in programming, and i agree with the point that it's a bit cluttered and could stand to be reorganized and consolidated a bit. any of y'all talked with him recently, apart from seifullaah about boxing?

EDIT: i wonder if the drop-off started with when the forum went down last summer. anyone remember when that was? because lancests and thesituation both were last active on june 25. maybe they stopped when the forum went down and just decided not to come back after that.
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sunday: long very easy run 80+ mins @ 5:40+ (14+ km)
monday: strength/cross training
tuesday: extensive tempo (7 km) OR fartlek (mostly easy pace with mix of strides, hills, long tempo) 45 mins (8+ km)
wednesday: easy run 60+ mins @ 5:20-5:30 (11+ km)
thursday: easy run 60+ mins @ 5:20-5:30 (11+ km), strength/cross-training
friday: rest
saturday: short tempo 6-8x500 @ sub-4:00 (7 km)

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- hops 2x10
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Re: This forum is dying down, BUT...
« Reply #56 on: February 05, 2014, 09:03:53 am »
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Nah, it was later, 20-25 October : http://www.adarq.org/news-announcements-suggestions/recent-downtime-server-broke-and-had-to-wait-for-host-to-fix/msg95033/#msg95033

However that last downtime does look synced with the latest irreversible traffic drop. Also loos like that at the alink downtime, back in October 2011. Interesting!

About mods, i was re-thinking it. Since we dont have trolls anymore and even if we had adarqui's logic was (almost)never ban/delete posts, what do we need mods for? The only real use would be to move journals to the gravejard, maybe give a warning before that too. Heck, adarqui can still do that if we PM him, it's a 2 minutes thing.

Fair point about toddday.

Dunno, let's give it some more time as it is? Spring approaches, everybody starts hitting the parks, more sprints and dunks vids/reports etc, that should tone us up a bit. If it doesn't , we reconsider things.
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Re: This forum is dying down, BUT...
« Reply #57 on: February 06, 2014, 07:31:50 pm »
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Nah, it was later, 20-25 October : http://www.adarq.org/news-announcements-suggestions/recent-downtime-server-broke-and-had-to-wait-for-host-to-fix/msg95033/#msg95033

However that last downtime does look synced with the latest irreversible traffic drop. Also loos like that at the alink downtime, back in October 2011. Interesting!

About mods, i was re-thinking it. Since we dont have trolls anymore and even if we had adarqui's logic was (almost)never ban/delete posts, what do we need mods for? The only real use would be to move journals to the gravejard, maybe give a warning before that too. Heck, adarqui can still do that if we PM him, it's a 2 minutes thing.

Fair point about toddday.

Dunno, let's give it some more time as it is? Spring approaches, everybody starts hitting the parks, more sprints and dunks vids/reports etc, that should tone us up a bit. If it doesn't , we reconsider things.

Yeah on reflection I guess that's a good idea. Maybe we're overreacting a bit to the situation. It would be cool to have coaches and mods again but despite the current lack of those things, the forum will continue to chug along. We did pick up ChrisM in the past year or so and he's probably the highest jumper the forum's ever had.

I do sometimes wish we still had a couple of trolls though. I always enjoyed opening up the latest Harvey M. post.

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Re: This forum is dying down, BUT...
« Reply #58 on: February 07, 2014, 08:56:57 pm »
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Thanks acole! I'd say KF still holds the top spot. He's a monster and even though my RVJ is higher it's kind of unfair because he never trains RVJ (that I know of?).

That said I was only here for a short time while Lance and Adarq were coaching but I enjoyed there input, very similar to a Toddday post now. Harvey and Hyper were hilarious. :)
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Re: This forum is dying down, BUT...
« Reply #59 on: February 08, 2014, 01:50:53 am »
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Dreyth is still around but his journal has sex updates, lol.

Man, I lol'd so damn hard.
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