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Re: 2017 Misc Politics
« Reply #30 on: March 16, 2017, 06:23:32 am »
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MORE BRUTALLY IS NOT POSSIBLE. https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/15/us/politics/trump-travel-ban.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=a-lede-package-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0

 :headbang: :headbang: :headbang: :headbang: :headbang: :headbang: :headbang: :headbang:

i like how they are using his (Trump's) statements, Miller's, Gulliani's etc against them. Apparently experts are saying this could be overturned in appeals etc, high probability.. But just this one defeat, caused him to mention in his "campaign rally" (wtf?) today, "we should go back to the original ban, and go further". So pissing him off is a good way to cause him to sabotage himself. heh.

i'm tired of all this winning. can't wait until Trump disappears.


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« Reply #32 on: March 28, 2017, 12:53:52 am »
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wtf?

http://thehill.com/homenews/325761-infowars-alex-jones-apologizes-for-pushing-pizzagate-conspiracy-theory

jones apologizes to comet ping pong.. surprising/odd.

he was worried about getting sued, had to apologize and recant within a certain window of time or james would have taken him for all he's worth.
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Re: 2017 Misc Politics
« Reply #33 on: March 28, 2017, 06:28:56 am »
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wtf?

http://thehill.com/homenews/325761-infowars-alex-jones-apologizes-for-pushing-pizzagate-conspiracy-theory

jones apologizes to comet ping pong.. surprising/odd.

he was worried about getting sued, had to apologize and recant within a certain window of time or james would have taken him for all he's worth.

dammit. why can't james still take him for all he's worth?

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Re: 2017 Misc Politics
« Reply #34 on: March 28, 2017, 06:38:37 am »
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dunno, haven't talked to him in a couple months and we're not close enough where he'd discuss legal details with me anyway (he's a chatty, friendly dude but not an idiot). my understanding is that jones's apology and retraction soften the legal case against him. and it costs hundreds of thousands of dollars to go to court. james is rich but he's not a billionaire.

still seems like he'd have a solid case for damages, but i'm not a lawyer.
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Re: 2017 Misc Politics
« Reply #35 on: April 07, 2017, 05:31:47 pm »
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Re: 2017 Misc Politics
« Reply #36 on: April 10, 2017, 09:18:30 am »
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few things make me more apoplectic than fareed fucking zakaria and ann-marie fucking slaughter falling all over themselves to praise donald trump for shooting a few dozen missiles. fuck you, you fucking idiots, no one should ever listen to your dumb asses ever again. how can you be so stupid. how. jesus fuck.

here, a guy i went to high school with (wertheim) explains that point in slightly politer and more cogent language: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/10/opinion/the-long-road-to-trumps-war.html?action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=opinion-c-col-left-region&region=opinion-c-col-left-region&WT.nav=opinion-c-col-left-region
Muscles are nonsensical they have nothing to do with this bullshit.

- Avishek

sunday: long very easy run 80+ mins @ 5:40+ (14+ km)
monday: strength/cross training
tuesday: extensive tempo (7 km) OR fartlek (mostly easy pace with mix of strides, hills, long tempo) 45 mins (8+ km)
wednesday: easy run 60+ mins @ 5:20-5:30 (11+ km)
thursday: easy run 60+ mins @ 5:20-5:30 (11+ km), strength/cross-training
friday: rest
saturday: short tempo 6-8x500 @ sub-4:00 (7 km)

strength would be:
- hops 2x10
- box jumps or ME SVJ 2x5
- squats 3x6-8 or weighted BSS/lunges 3x10/leg
- RDL/hypers 2x10-12 or SLRDL 2x10-12/leg
- upper push myo-reps or sets to technical failure
- upper pull myo-reps or sets to technical failure
- leg raises, holds, pallof presses

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« Reply #37 on: April 10, 2017, 10:47:27 am »
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Such a difficult situation here. I was always very much anti Iraq War and do believe overthrowing that regime contributed to if not directly caused the current chaos in Syria. The nationalist movements in Iraq, Syria, and Egypt always seemed to me to be the more modern and forward thinking (despite their many faults) forms of political power in the Middle East. So the vacuum caused by overthrowing the Iraq regime seems to have opened up the door for all these different movements and power struggles.

Anyway, getting to the point, I think this situation in Syria is different. It's been 6 years of civil war and 500k lives lost plus all those people displaced. The conflicting parties are practically destroying an entire country and the future generations of that country. So children born within those 6 years know nothing but war and considering how bad PTSD can be for adults, children born in this decade might not have the chance to ever live normal lives.

I just personally feel that this war specifically has crossed from political thresholds and into humanitarian ones. If Vietnam was political and Iraq was personal? political? just plain dumb?, I think this is on a different level. Having said that, shooting missiles does not make you presidential. Especially in a situation as complex as this, you really need to have plan in place and execute.

Its just my opinion that if there was a time to step up and take a leadership role and save a country and people from ruin, this specific scenario in Syria is it. Historically, I have been strongly opposed to neo conservative policy. But in this situation, I think when the state is completely inept in protecting its people and actively involved in killing civilians, a more strong handed approach should implemented.

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Re: 2017 Misc Politics
« Reply #38 on: April 10, 2017, 07:39:35 pm »
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few things make me more apoplectic than fareed fucking zakaria and ann-marie fucking slaughter falling all over themselves to praise donald trump for shooting a few dozen missiles. fuck you, you fucking idiots, no one should ever listen to your dumb asses ever again. how can you be so stupid. how. jesus fuck.

here, a guy i went to high school with (wertheim) explains that point in slightly politer and more cogent language: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/10/opinion/the-long-road-to-trumps-war.html?action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=opinion-c-col-left-region&region=opinion-c-col-left-region&WT.nav=opinion-c-col-left-region

Agreed. I was disgusted by the media coverage; beautiful bombs, people finally becoming president, trump deeply affected.. yet what was lost in this whole fiasco, but which is finally coming out more now: is that Trump literally changed a stance he's held for years and within ~24 hours, launched a missile attack, without consulting congress or basically anyone other than his top generals. To see democrats, media, republicans, pretty much everyone swoon over it, is beyond frustrating. Initially, all of the coverage and statements were focused on Assad.. as giddiness over the missile strikes faded, you finally see people starting to ask tougher questions: was russia complicit in the attacks? How can a president potentially get us sucked into a war, without consulting congress or any-fucking-body (besides the russians - warning)? Was the strike even effective (apparently not)? What is the broader strategy? just, what the fuck?

I watched MSNBC's morning joe that morning, and I definitely got enraged at someone calling this a "Presidential Baptism"... disgusting.



Such a difficult situation here. I was always very much anti Iraq War and do believe overthrowing that regime contributed to if not directly caused the current chaos in Syria. The nationalist movements in Iraq, Syria, and Egypt always seemed to me to be the more modern and forward thinking (despite their many faults) forms of political power in the Middle East. So the vacuum caused by overthrowing the Iraq regime seems to have opened up the door for all these different movements and power struggles.

Anyway, getting to the point, I think this situation in Syria is different. It's been 6 years of civil war and 500k lives lost plus all those people displaced. The conflicting parties are practically destroying an entire country and the future generations of that country. So children born within those 6 years know nothing but war and considering how bad PTSD can be for adults, children born in this decade might not have the chance to ever live normal lives.

I just personally feel that this war specifically has crossed from political thresholds and into humanitarian ones. If Vietnam was political and Iraq was personal? political? just plain dumb?, I think this is on a different level. Having said that, shooting missiles does not make you presidential. Especially in a situation as complex as this, you really need to have plan in place and execute.

Its just my opinion that if there was a time to step up and take a leadership role and save a country and people from ruin, this specific scenario in Syria is it. Historically, I have been strongly opposed to neo conservative policy. But in this situation, I think when the state is completely inept in protecting its people and actively involved in killing civilians, a more strong handed approach should implemented.

Right, completely understandable, BUT: Americans & mainstream media are vulnerable to "falling for the bait". We've fallen for it many times before, including the falsified intelligence info that got us into war in Iraq to begin with, and the media's willing and unwilling culpability in selling it to the American people.

All I know is this: Ask yourself, "what does Putin want?" .. Or what do our enemies want? They'd love to see us intervene and get ourselves sucked into more war. They love it when we come off as blood thirsty. At some point, if we continue this behavior, the tables will turn against us. We must be very cautious, US adversaries know how to manipulate the US people.

It may be a time to step or, or not.. That's a debate to have. What's not debatable IMHO, is having knee-jerk reactions to "war crimes" or anything else that we find heinous. Our reaction should not be knee jerk military strikes. The US likes to think of itself as this "great protector", well ok, just do it more professional. Put together a real coalition, take some time to let the entire picture/set of facts come to light, etc etc. What Trump did, was incredibly reckless & concerning. The US *SHOULD NOT* be able to just fire off missiles whenever it wants, without a broader UN coalition and approval from congress, AND the American people.

FWIW, my opinion many years ago, was to enforce a no fly zone in Syria. The US & world knew this was going to get out of control, so it would have been better perhaps to try and cut it off earlier, before Russia really came into the equation. Now we have ourselves quite a mess.. and much of this mess was caused by the US to begin with. It's definitely a difficult situation like you said. This is still intervention. Any way you look at it, seems almost impossible for the US to repair the fallout from the Iraq war - dropping bombs isn't working.

Beyond that, the US killed ~200+ civilians in iraq last week alone, via air strikes. Our "selective outrage" is nauseating. So until we figure out:
- how to stop destabilizing entire regions
- how to not kill so many civilians in our strikes
- how to take care of our vets

We might want to remain more measured..

Bush Jr's administration really flipped the world upside down.. Now you see the "drum of war" starting to beat for Iran.. I have no doubt this administration is on the verge getting us into more wars - Syria, Iran, and potentially NK. Meanwhile, Russia is in the background, trying to figure out how to cause the US to flip the tables on itself.

fuck everything is just so frustrating.

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« Reply #39 on: April 11, 2017, 12:05:50 am »
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few things make me more apoplectic than fareed fucking zakaria and ann-marie fucking slaughter falling all over themselves to praise donald trump for shooting a few dozen missiles. fuck you, you fucking idiots, no one should ever listen to your dumb asses ever again. how can you be so stupid. how. jesus fuck.

here, a guy i went to high school with (wertheim) explains that point in slightly politer and more cogent language: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/10/opinion/the-long-road-to-trumps-war.html?action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=opinion-c-col-left-region&region=opinion-c-col-left-region&WT.nav=opinion-c-col-left-region

Agreed. I was disgusted by the media coverage; beautiful bombs, people finally becoming president, trump deeply affected.. yet what was lost in this whole fiasco, but which is finally coming out more now: is that Trump literally changed a stance he's held for years and within ~24 hours, launched a missile attack, without consulting congress or basically anyone other than his top generals. To see democrats, media, republicans, pretty much everyone swoon over it, is beyond frustrating. Initially, all of the coverage and statements were focused on Assad.. as giddiness over the missile strikes faded, you finally see people starting to ask tougher questions: was russia complicit in the attacks? How can a president potentially get us sucked into a war, without consulting congress or any-fucking-body (besides the russians - warning)? Was the strike even effective (apparently not)? What is the broader strategy? just, what the fuck?

I watched MSNBC's morning joe that morning, and I definitely got enraged at someone calling this a "Presidential Baptism"... disgusting.



Such a difficult situation here. I was always very much anti Iraq War and do believe overthrowing that regime contributed to if not directly caused the current chaos in Syria. The nationalist movements in Iraq, Syria, and Egypt always seemed to me to be the more modern and forward thinking (despite their many faults) forms of political power in the Middle East. So the vacuum caused by overthrowing the Iraq regime seems to have opened up the door for all these different movements and power struggles.

Anyway, getting to the point, I think this situation in Syria is different. It's been 6 years of civil war and 500k lives lost plus all those people displaced. The conflicting parties are practically destroying an entire country and the future generations of that country. So children born within those 6 years know nothing but war and considering how bad PTSD can be for adults, children born in this decade might not have the chance to ever live normal lives.

I just personally feel that this war specifically has crossed from political thresholds and into humanitarian ones. If Vietnam was political and Iraq was personal? political? just plain dumb?, I think this is on a different level. Having said that, shooting missiles does not make you presidential. Especially in a situation as complex as this, you really need to have plan in place and execute.

Its just my opinion that if there was a time to step up and take a leadership role and save a country and people from ruin, this specific scenario in Syria is it. Historically, I have been strongly opposed to neo conservative policy. But in this situation, I think when the state is completely inept in protecting its people and actively involved in killing civilians, a more strong handed approach should implemented.

Right, completely understandable, BUT: Americans & mainstream media are vulnerable to "falling for the bait". We've fallen for it many times before, including the falsified intelligence info that got us into war in Iraq to begin with, and the media's willing and unwilling culpability in selling it to the American people.

All I know is this: Ask yourself, "what does Putin want?" .. Or what do our enemies want? They'd love to see us intervene and get ourselves sucked into more war. They love it when we come off as blood thirsty. At some point, if we continue this behavior, the tables will turn against us. We must be very cautious, US adversaries know how to manipulate the US people.

It may be a time to step or, or not.. That's a debate to have. What's not debatable IMHO, is having knee-jerk reactions to "war crimes" or anything else that we find heinous. Our reaction should not be knee jerk military strikes. The US likes to think of itself as this "great protector", well ok, just do it more professional. Put together a real coalition, take some time to let the entire picture/set of facts come to light, etc etc. What Trump did, was incredibly reckless & concerning. The US *SHOULD NOT* be able to just fire off missiles whenever it wants, without a broader UN coalition and approval from congress, AND the American people.

FWIW, my opinion many years ago, was to enforce a no fly zone in Syria. The US & world knew this was going to get out of control, so it would have been better perhaps to try and cut it off earlier, before Russia really came into the equation. Now we have ourselves quite a mess.. and much of this mess was caused by the US to begin with. It's definitely a difficult situation like you said. This is still intervention. Any way you look at it, seems almost impossible for the US to repair the fallout from the Iraq war - dropping bombs isn't working.

Beyond that, the US killed ~200+ civilians in iraq last week alone, via air strikes. Our "selective outrage" is nauseating. So until we figure out:
- how to stop destabilizing entire regions
- how to not kill so many civilians in our strikes
- how to take care of our vets

We might want to remain more measured..

Bush Jr's administration really flipped the world upside down.. Now you see the "drum of war" starting to beat for Iran.. I have no doubt this administration is on the verge getting us into more wars - Syria, Iran, and potentially NK. Meanwhile, Russia is in the background, trying to figure out how to cause the US to flip the tables on itself.

fuck everything is just so frustrating.

no dude. it's worse than that. he changed it based on a video that was shared on social media. it's foreign policy by fox news and twitter.
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wednesday: easy run 60+ mins @ 5:20-5:30 (11+ km)
thursday: easy run 60+ mins @ 5:20-5:30 (11+ km), strength/cross-training
friday: rest
saturday: short tempo 6-8x500 @ sub-4:00 (7 km)

strength would be:
- hops 2x10
- box jumps or ME SVJ 2x5
- squats 3x6-8 or weighted BSS/lunges 3x10/leg
- RDL/hypers 2x10-12 or SLRDL 2x10-12/leg
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Re: 2017 Misc Politics
« Reply #41 on: April 15, 2017, 06:49:35 pm »
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few things make me more apoplectic than fareed fucking zakaria and ann-marie fucking slaughter falling all over themselves to praise donald trump for shooting a few dozen missiles. fuck you, you fucking idiots, no one should ever listen to your dumb asses ever again. how can you be so stupid. how. jesus fuck.

here, a guy i went to high school with (wertheim) explains that point in slightly politer and more cogent language: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/10/opinion/the-long-road-to-trumps-war.html?action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=opinion-c-col-left-region&region=opinion-c-col-left-region&WT.nav=opinion-c-col-left-region

Agreed. I was disgusted by the media coverage; beautiful bombs, people finally becoming president, trump deeply affected.. yet what was lost in this whole fiasco, but which is finally coming out more now: is that Trump literally changed a stance he's held for years and within ~24 hours, launched a missile attack, without consulting congress or basically anyone other than his top generals. To see democrats, media, republicans, pretty much everyone swoon over it, is beyond frustrating. Initially, all of the coverage and statements were focused on Assad.. as giddiness over the missile strikes faded, you finally see people starting to ask tougher questions: was russia complicit in the attacks? How can a president potentially get us sucked into a war, without consulting congress or any-fucking-body (besides the russians - warning)? Was the strike even effective (apparently not)? What is the broader strategy? just, what the fuck?

I watched MSNBC's morning joe that morning, and I definitely got enraged at someone calling this a "Presidential Baptism"... disgusting.



Such a difficult situation here. I was always very much anti Iraq War and do believe overthrowing that regime contributed to if not directly caused the current chaos in Syria. The nationalist movements in Iraq, Syria, and Egypt always seemed to me to be the more modern and forward thinking (despite their many faults) forms of political power in the Middle East. So the vacuum caused by overthrowing the Iraq regime seems to have opened up the door for all these different movements and power struggles.

Anyway, getting to the point, I think this situation in Syria is different. It's been 6 years of civil war and 500k lives lost plus all those people displaced. The conflicting parties are practically destroying an entire country and the future generations of that country. So children born within those 6 years know nothing but war and considering how bad PTSD can be for adults, children born in this decade might not have the chance to ever live normal lives.

I just personally feel that this war specifically has crossed from political thresholds and into humanitarian ones. If Vietnam was political and Iraq was personal? political? just plain dumb?, I think this is on a different level. Having said that, shooting missiles does not make you presidential. Especially in a situation as complex as this, you really need to have plan in place and execute.

Its just my opinion that if there was a time to step up and take a leadership role and save a country and people from ruin, this specific scenario in Syria is it. Historically, I have been strongly opposed to neo conservative policy. But in this situation, I think when the state is completely inept in protecting its people and actively involved in killing civilians, a more strong handed approach should implemented.

Right, completely understandable, BUT: Americans & mainstream media are vulnerable to "falling for the bait". We've fallen for it many times before, including the falsified intelligence info that got us into war in Iraq to begin with, and the media's willing and unwilling culpability in selling it to the American people.

All I know is this: Ask yourself, "what does Putin want?" .. Or what do our enemies want? They'd love to see us intervene and get ourselves sucked into more war. They love it when we come off as blood thirsty. At some point, if we continue this behavior, the tables will turn against us. We must be very cautious, US adversaries know how to manipulate the US people.

It may be a time to step or, or not.. That's a debate to have. What's not debatable IMHO, is having knee-jerk reactions to "war crimes" or anything else that we find heinous. Our reaction should not be knee jerk military strikes. The US likes to think of itself as this "great protector", well ok, just do it more professional. Put together a real coalition, take some time to let the entire picture/set of facts come to light, etc etc. What Trump did, was incredibly reckless & concerning. The US *SHOULD NOT* be able to just fire off missiles whenever it wants, without a broader UN coalition and approval from congress, AND the American people.

FWIW, my opinion many years ago, was to enforce a no fly zone in Syria. The US & world knew this was going to get out of control, so it would have been better perhaps to try and cut it off earlier, before Russia really came into the equation. Now we have ourselves quite a mess.. and much of this mess was caused by the US to begin with. It's definitely a difficult situation like you said. This is still intervention. Any way you look at it, seems almost impossible for the US to repair the fallout from the Iraq war - dropping bombs isn't working.

Beyond that, the US killed ~200+ civilians in iraq last week alone, via air strikes. Our "selective outrage" is nauseating. So until we figure out:
- how to stop destabilizing entire regions
- how to not kill so many civilians in our strikes
- how to take care of our vets

We might want to remain more measured..

Bush Jr's administration really flipped the world upside down.. Now you see the "drum of war" starting to beat for Iran.. I have no doubt this administration is on the verge getting us into more wars - Syria, Iran, and potentially NK. Meanwhile, Russia is in the background, trying to figure out how to cause the US to flip the tables on itself.

fuck everything is just so frustrating.

Totally agree on this administration being unprepared and seemingly acting on a whim over and over again. They are anything but measured in their approach. That's why you don't elect a president with zero experience except for his self admitted brilliance but we've been over that. It still stresses me out thinking about it.

I just personally think that Syria is now a humanitarian crisis and the US should intervene. You're right about the complications with Russia but fortunately there's also precedent with Serbia in the 90s. Bypass UN, bring in NATO, get rid of regime in power, create international peacekeeping unit until the country sorts itself out. Russia was and still is a strong supporter of Serbia as well. Easier said than done of course but there are many similarities. It would also be smart politically showing NATOs influence to subdue Russia. But of course Trump has gone back and forth on NATO as well because he is clueless.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NATO_bombing_of_Yugoslavia

Honestly though I hate the strong handed approach on North Korea, I think that could backfire if NK feels backed into a corner. From what I remember one of my professors saying, NK shows off missiles so they can demand monetary support since they can't properly feed their own people. I think a country like that can be managed on the low with negotiations involving China. It just seems like all paranoid isolationist countries fall apart from within because of unsustainability and eventually get a leader with some sense in power that says okay we need to move on this isn't working. No need to feed into their paranoia and make it a reality.

But damn if having Trump in power with all these issues ongoing isn't nervewracking. Just hope he does limited damage and we elect someone who understands the world/ and is willing to listen to council that doesn't consist of businessmen.
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« Reply #42 on: April 16, 2017, 09:59:18 am »
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few things make me more apoplectic than fareed fucking zakaria and ann-marie fucking slaughter falling all over themselves to praise donald trump for shooting a few dozen missiles. fuck you, you fucking idiots, no one should ever listen to your dumb asses ever again. how can you be so stupid. how. jesus fuck.

here, a guy i went to high school with (wertheim) explains that point in slightly politer and more cogent language: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/10/opinion/the-long-road-to-trumps-war.html?action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=opinion-c-col-left-region&region=opinion-c-col-left-region&WT.nav=opinion-c-col-left-region

Agreed. I was disgusted by the media coverage; beautiful bombs, people finally becoming president, trump deeply affected.. yet what was lost in this whole fiasco, but which is finally coming out more now: is that Trump literally changed a stance he's held for years and within ~24 hours, launched a missile attack, without consulting congress or basically anyone other than his top generals. To see democrats, media, republicans, pretty much everyone swoon over it, is beyond frustrating. Initially, all of the coverage and statements were focused on Assad.. as giddiness over the missile strikes faded, you finally see people starting to ask tougher questions: was russia complicit in the attacks? How can a president potentially get us sucked into a war, without consulting congress or any-fucking-body (besides the russians - warning)? Was the strike even effective (apparently not)? What is the broader strategy? just, what the fuck?

I watched MSNBC's morning joe that morning, and I definitely got enraged at someone calling this a "Presidential Baptism"... disgusting.



Such a difficult situation here. I was always very much anti Iraq War and do believe overthrowing that regime contributed to if not directly caused the current chaos in Syria. The nationalist movements in Iraq, Syria, and Egypt always seemed to me to be the more modern and forward thinking (despite their many faults) forms of political power in the Middle East. So the vacuum caused by overthrowing the Iraq regime seems to have opened up the door for all these different movements and power struggles.

Anyway, getting to the point, I think this situation in Syria is different. It's been 6 years of civil war and 500k lives lost plus all those people displaced. The conflicting parties are practically destroying an entire country and the future generations of that country. So children born within those 6 years know nothing but war and considering how bad PTSD can be for adults, children born in this decade might not have the chance to ever live normal lives.

I just personally feel that this war specifically has crossed from political thresholds and into humanitarian ones. If Vietnam was political and Iraq was personal? political? just plain dumb?, I think this is on a different level. Having said that, shooting missiles does not make you presidential. Especially in a situation as complex as this, you really need to have plan in place and execute.

Its just my opinion that if there was a time to step up and take a leadership role and save a country and people from ruin, this specific scenario in Syria is it. Historically, I have been strongly opposed to neo conservative policy. But in this situation, I think when the state is completely inept in protecting its people and actively involved in killing civilians, a more strong handed approach should implemented.

Right, completely understandable, BUT: Americans & mainstream media are vulnerable to "falling for the bait". We've fallen for it many times before, including the falsified intelligence info that got us into war in Iraq to begin with, and the media's willing and unwilling culpability in selling it to the American people.

All I know is this: Ask yourself, "what does Putin want?" .. Or what do our enemies want? They'd love to see us intervene and get ourselves sucked into more war. They love it when we come off as blood thirsty. At some point, if we continue this behavior, the tables will turn against us. We must be very cautious, US adversaries know how to manipulate the US people.

It may be a time to step or, or not.. That's a debate to have. What's not debatable IMHO, is having knee-jerk reactions to "war crimes" or anything else that we find heinous. Our reaction should not be knee jerk military strikes. The US likes to think of itself as this "great protector", well ok, just do it more professional. Put together a real coalition, take some time to let the entire picture/set of facts come to light, etc etc. What Trump did, was incredibly reckless & concerning. The US *SHOULD NOT* be able to just fire off missiles whenever it wants, without a broader UN coalition and approval from congress, AND the American people.

FWIW, my opinion many years ago, was to enforce a no fly zone in Syria. The US & world knew this was going to get out of control, so it would have been better perhaps to try and cut it off earlier, before Russia really came into the equation. Now we have ourselves quite a mess.. and much of this mess was caused by the US to begin with. It's definitely a difficult situation like you said. This is still intervention. Any way you look at it, seems almost impossible for the US to repair the fallout from the Iraq war - dropping bombs isn't working.

Beyond that, the US killed ~200+ civilians in iraq last week alone, via air strikes. Our "selective outrage" is nauseating. So until we figure out:
- how to stop destabilizing entire regions
- how to not kill so many civilians in our strikes
- how to take care of our vets

We might want to remain more measured..

Bush Jr's administration really flipped the world upside down.. Now you see the "drum of war" starting to beat for Iran.. I have no doubt this administration is on the verge getting us into more wars - Syria, Iran, and potentially NK. Meanwhile, Russia is in the background, trying to figure out how to cause the US to flip the tables on itself.

fuck everything is just so frustrating.

Totally agree on this administration being unprepared and seemingly acting on a whim over and over again. They are anything but measured in their approach. That's why you don't elect a president with zero experience except for his self admitted brilliance but we've been over that. It still stresses me out thinking about it.

I just personally think that Syria is now a humanitarian crisis and the US should intervene. You're right about the complications with Russia but fortunately there's also precedent with Serbia in the 90s. Bypass UN, bring in NATO, get rid of regime in power, create international peacekeeping unit until the country sorts itself out. Russia was and still is a strong supporter of Serbia as well. Easier said than done of course but there are many similarities. It would also be smart politically showing NATOs influence to subdue Russia. But of course Trump has gone back and forth on NATO as well because he is clueless.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NATO_bombing_of_Yugoslavia

yup, great points.


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Honestly though I hate the strong handed approach on North Korea, I think that could backfire if NK feels backed into a corner. From what I remember one of my professors saying, NK shows off missiles so they can demand monetary support since they can't properly feed their own people. I think a country like that can be managed on the low with negotiations involving China. It just seems like all paranoid isolationist countries fall apart from within because of unsustainability and eventually get a leader with some sense in power that says okay we need to move on this isn't working. No need to feed into their paranoia and make it a reality.

Also, the down fall of "cult leaders" never ends well.. I mean, literally never. Kim Jong Un & his bloodline, are leaders of a cult. At some point, if backed so far into a corner, they may either 1) commit suicide by launching a nuke 2) ramp up & cause a preemptive strike by the US. Either one of those could lead to a global catastrophe. I don't put it past NK to actually start a real nuclear war, one in which the US should easily obliterate them, but not before seeing SK sustain grave damage. My biggest worry there though is, if something like that "pops off", who is willing to exploit an opportunity like that? I was messing around on twitter when I wrote this, but honestly, something like this could happen:

US -> NK, NK -> SK, IL -> NK, IR -> IL, IL -> IR, PK <-> IND, RU -> IL, US/UK -> RU, RU/CN -> US, US/UK -> CN

It seems crazy but, we could be headed for self destruction even if it's just US vs NK in a "short battle". No one seems to be mentioning that, in the mainstream media. They simply talk about US vs NK, not the web of allies/conflicts that could instantly be sucked into it. I mean, if you're Putin for example.. What happens if the US ends up nuking NK? Here's a guy who is already paranoid about a preemptive nuclear "decapitation attack". If you're China or Russia, are you going to simply allow the US to "move in" to NK after defeating them in some war? I definitely don't think so.. Tensions would be ramped up to levels we've never seen. The last thing those countries want, is the US "securing NK" after such an event.

And man.. if it's the US that preemptively uses a nuke on NK (to destroy their nuclear facilities and such).. Even more cause for concern. RU/CN etc will be beyond thinking about self preservation.

So yeah, more reason to have leaders who believe in diplomacy.. Not "weak bullies" who want to show off using the military. I've never truly feared the treat of nuclear catastrophe in my lifetime, until Trump was inaugurated. I knew it was there, but I didn't see the US actively pushing us in that direction, maybe that's my failure though. Now I actually think it's much more likely as a possibility.

It's scary to think that, diplomacy has seemingly worked between the US/Iran (regarding nukes), but.. A political party (GOP) & Israel are trying to undermine that & mislead the American people - in a way which can lead to war. Surely, those worried of the US see that & it can't possibly be comforting.



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But damn if having Trump in power with all these issues ongoing isn't nervewracking. Just hope he does limited damage and we elect someone who understands the world/ and is willing to listen to council that doesn't consist of businessmen.

Yeah. Here's a guy, as president, who is edging us closer to a nuclear conflict, golfing at Mar-a-Lago on the weekend, having fun & smiling with rich folks in selfies.

peace!

edit: as always, i'm just a noob and these are my noob thoughts. just felt like clarifying, for future posts. hah.

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« Reply #43 on: April 18, 2017, 08:44:53 am »
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snap general election announced for the UK this morning

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« Reply #44 on: April 18, 2017, 09:50:30 am »
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snap general election announced for the UK this morning

Curious to see if she in fact gets her mandate, or if it really mobilizes the opposition... regardless, let's get ready for "meddling" apparently, though it's a much quicker process in the UK than in the US... shit, 2018 midterm elections & 2020 general election talk is already happening here in the US.

edit: I wonder if some in May's conservative party have been planning for months, definitely gives them an edge.