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Re: 27 Dead in Connecticut Shooting, Including 18 Children
« Reply #150 on: December 27, 2012, 05:51:57 am »
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Of course. Do you personally like that assault rifles are available for the mass population or do you think that should change?

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Re: 27 Dead in Connecticut Shooting, Including 18 Children
« Reply #151 on: December 27, 2012, 11:03:11 am »
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Of course. Do you personally like that assault rifles are available for the mass population or do you think that should change?

 Speaking from my personal point of view, I have these weapons and enjoy shooting them, however I dont NEED them.  It would be nice to feel like the bad guys couldnt gain such easy access to these weapons, even though this may or may not happen with an ar ban.  but no, I dont LIKE it that its as easy to get an ar15 or ak47 as it is a deer rifle for any idiot off the street, and if giving up those guns meant they would be harder for criminals to attain ( I dont KNOW that this would happen), I would gladly do so.

 I also feel like we should have better training available for those who wish to carry a concealed firearm.  Knowing that these people were proficient and good people would encourage less "gun free areas", and people who didnt wish to carry could feel PROTECTED by them rather than fear.   

  There are many pro gun people that dont agree with me on my ar stance at all and I am fine with that, this is only my personal belief. 
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Re: 27 Dead in Connecticut Shooting, Including 18 Children
« Reply #152 on: December 27, 2012, 12:41:10 pm »
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Of course. Do you personally like that assault rifles are available for the mass population or do you think that should change?

 Speaking from my personal point of view, I have these weapons and enjoy shooting them, however I dont NEED them.  It would be nice to feel like the bad guys couldnt gain such easy access to these weapons, even though this may or may not happen with an ar ban.  but no, I dont LIKE it that its as easy to get an ar15 or ak47 as it is a deer rifle for any idiot off the street, and if giving up those guns meant they would be harder for criminals to attain ( I dont KNOW that this would happen), I would gladly do so.

 I also feel like we should have better training available for those who wish to carry a concealed firearm.  Knowing that these people were proficient and good people would encourage less "gun free areas", and people who didnt wish to carry could feel PROTECTED by them rather than fear.   

  There are many pro gun people that dont agree with me on my ar stance at all and I am fine with that, this is only my personal belief.

Now that's a solution I could find myself agreeing with for the most...

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Re: 27 Dead in Connecticut Shooting, Including 18 Children
« Reply #153 on: December 27, 2012, 01:51:11 pm »
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Of course. Do you personally like that assault rifles are available for the mass population or do you think that should change?

 Speaking from my personal point of view, I have these weapons and enjoy shooting them, however I dont NEED them.  It would be nice to feel like the bad guys couldnt gain such easy access to these weapons, even though this may or may not happen with an ar ban.  but no, I dont LIKE it that its as easy to get an ar15 or ak47 as it is a deer rifle for any idiot off the street, and if giving up those guns meant they would be harder for criminals to attain ( I dont KNOW that this would happen), I would gladly do so.

 I also feel like we should have better training available for those who wish to carry a concealed firearm.  Knowing that these people were proficient and good people would encourage less "gun free areas", and people who didnt wish to carry could feel PROTECTED by them rather than fear.   

  There are many pro gun people that dont agree with me on my ar stance at all and I am fine with that, this is only my personal belief. 

Unfortunately in many of this cases it's not about a criminal getting a weapon, it's about a regular Joe getting a weapong and that regular Joe having a breakdown and using that weapon to kill left and right.

A criminal will not care about laws anyway and will obtain whatever weapon no matter what the weapon laws say. The issue is that regular guys with access to guns (especially assault rifles that make them really shoot a high amount of bullets/very fast in crowded areas and make the most amount of damage) can get assault rifles. Even the name itself "assault" is pretty much about being OFFENSIVE with the weapon, attacking, than defending yourself.

For example here in Romania a pistol damper is strictly forbidden, in any case, and it's considered a felony because you'll use a damper to KILL (murder) someone not for defense. There's no way you're using a damper unless you plan to be offensive with that weapon, so it's banned.

The thing with "we need more guns to protect ourselves of more guns" is what the gun sellers LOVE to spread around so they can sell more and more and more. That's the only thing they care about, and as soon as people buy into this idea faster the faster they are getting richer and richer and richer.

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Re: 27 Dead in Connecticut Shooting, Including 18 Children
« Reply #154 on: December 27, 2012, 03:00:33 pm »
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Of course. Do you personally like that assault rifles are available for the mass population or do you think that should change?

 Speaking from my personal point of view, I have these weapons and enjoy shooting them, however I dont NEED them.  It would be nice to feel like the bad guys couldnt gain such easy access to these weapons, even though this may or may not happen with an ar ban.  but no, I dont LIKE it that its as easy to get an ar15 or ak47 as it is a deer rifle for any idiot off the street, and if giving up those guns meant they would be harder for criminals to attain ( I dont KNOW that this would happen), I would gladly do so.

 I also feel like we should have better training available for those who wish to carry a concealed firearm.  Knowing that these people were proficient and good people would encourage less "gun free areas", and people who didnt wish to carry could feel PROTECTED by them rather than fear.   

  There are many pro gun people that dont agree with me on my ar stance at all and I am fine with that, this is only my personal belief.

Now that's a solution I could find myself agreeing with for the most...

I am not one of the "everyone needs a machine gun and has a right to have one" crowd.  I sincerely want a productive solution to these issues, not a dogmatic agenda from either side. 
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Re: 27 Dead in Connecticut Shooting, Including 18 Children
« Reply #155 on: December 27, 2012, 03:31:23 pm »
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Unfortunately in many of this cases it's not about a criminal getting a weapon, it's about a regular Joe getting a weapong and that regular Joe having a breakdown and using that weapon to kill left and right.

 When I say bad guys I am referring to anyone who wants to cause innocent people harm.  I would definitely feel better about my chances with a handgun if the bad guy didnt have an ar he could mow down 30 rounds at me from 200 yards away.  Regardless of the law, no one carries an ar concealed, so I would think this type of restriction would also help other upstanding people who carry a firearm concealed as well.

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A criminal will not care about laws anyway and will obtain whatever weapon no matter what the weapon laws say. The issue is that regular guys with access to guns (especially assault rifles that make them really shoot a high amount of bullets/very fast in crowded areas and make the most amount of damage) can get assault rifles. Even the name itself "assault" is pretty much about being OFFENSIVE with the weapon, attacking, than defending yourself.

My God, the difference is INSANE, yet most gun control advocates have no idea of this.  If more people understood this point, a higher ground could come out the issue. At the same time, the pro gun crowd has to get rid of the "I have a right to whatever I want" for a second and THINK.  Doing battles with assault rifles is not good for ANYONE.  With handguns it becomes a much more controlled fight, where practice and proficiency will reign supreme rather than mass carnage.

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For example here in Romania a pistol damper is strictly forbidden, in any case, and it's considered a felony because you'll use a damper to KILL (murder) someone not for defense. There's no way you're using a damper unless you plan to be offensive with that weapon, so it's banned.

I agree with you here, however the argument for suppressors/silencers is that 1.) they can have use in hunting, where game wont run/scatter as much and more can be taken.  and 2.) it dampens the recoil immensely, making shooting more pleasurable.   My personal opinion is again, I dont NEED a silencer for hunting/protecting my family.

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The thing with "we need more guns to protect ourselves of more guns" is what the gun sellers LOVE to spread around so they can sell more and more and more. That's the only thing they care about, and as soon as people buy into this idea faster the faster they are getting richer and richer and richer.

I dont agree with we need more guns at all.  This is the thing, when I argue for the right to own firearms, I am not FORCING you to carry a gun or own one.  When you want to take away all guns, you are FORCING people to comply with your ideas/agenda. 

 I think the right to own a firearm is a given, with PROVEN ability and proficiency from the owner.  I think conceal carry is important too, again with even more PROFICIENCY required from the carrier.  I dont think someone should have this right unless they are willing to train, and train WELL, and demonstrate that they are mentally capable of the responsibilities that go along with it.  There should be a feeling of security around individuals who carry a firearm from those who do not, except for the criminals that is.

Myself and many of my friends carry guns.  We all go through many different training courses, practice with military/law enforcement, and train with firearms much more than even many police officers do.  If you are in a building and any one of us is present, someone starts mass shooting, you should be able to feel safer knowing that shooter will now have to get through a pretty fucking strong resistance prior to hurting you or other unarmed innocent people.   You should also feel comfortable knowing the good guys with the guns are trained well enough and mentally capable of not putting you in more danger themselves. 




 
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Re: 27 Dead in Connecticut Shooting, Including 18 Children
« Reply #156 on: December 27, 2012, 05:02:10 pm »
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I agree with you about everything you said.

By the way - I don't know how stuff works in the USA but here the bank guards NEVER have firearms. If they would have firearms they'd be the first ones to be dead in the case of a bank robbery. Basically the robbers' first priority would be to come in and kill the guy with the firearm and then rob the place so they are never armed (except for police batons and spray and stuff like that). How is it in the USA?
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Re: 27 Dead in Connecticut Shooting, Including 18 Children
« Reply #157 on: December 28, 2012, 11:39:32 am »
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I agree with you about everything you said.

By the way - I don't know how stuff works in the USA but here the bank guards NEVER have firearms. If they would have firearms they'd be the first ones to be dead in the case of a bank robbery. Basically the robbers' first priority would be to come in and kill the guy with the firearm and then rob the place so they are never armed (except for police batons and spray and stuff like that). How is it in the USA?

 The banks security is different depending on the towns and locations.  Where I live they pay the sheriffs dept for an officer (armed) to be on duty.  This was implemented after a recent robbery attempt. 

 I asked some of the officers I train how much it costs to have them at the schools here.  Its 20 dollars an hour.  Many of them are always looking for extra work like this, and for that small amount of money I would hope people would think it was a good idea that every school system do this. 
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Re: 27 Dead in Connecticut Shooting, Including 18 Children
« Reply #159 on: January 15, 2013, 07:45:00 pm »
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Scary Stuff

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Wx9GxXYKx_8

well, i'd have to fact-check their fact checking to be sold on it, but ya, i saw that earlier today actually, and the one thing that really stuck out to me was that father laughing before he did that emotional interview.. i really can't comprehend that part of the video, and i guess that's what is now bugging me a little..

for anyone that didn't see it, it's at 8:50 and 9:15 or so.... one of the father's who lost his child looks pretty happy/jolly, laughing+smiling, then asks "are we ready yet?', someone says yes, and then he immediately transitions into some kind of emotional father role..

very very odd.. i mean sure, people's emotions will be all over the place after something like that, but to go from laughing/smiling to very emotional within a split second? i can't comprehend it.

then they mention a few more things about him, like the fundraiser's/not being 'listed' in that town etc, possible 'actor', now that's the stuff i'd have to fact check before believing it.... but that one clip in the video would have me trying to dig deeper if i wasn't so busy coding.

weird as fuck.

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Re: 27 Dead in Connecticut Shooting, Including 18 Children
« Reply #160 on: January 15, 2013, 07:52:39 pm »
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his transition leaves me perplexed.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJ1w93D9StM" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJ1w93D9StM</a>

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6omFTYw9AM" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6omFTYw9AM</a>

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Re: 27 Dead in Connecticut Shooting, Including 18 Children
« Reply #161 on: January 15, 2013, 08:30:25 pm »
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the conspiracy stuff just hit anderson cooper 360.

This James Tracey guy who is a big part of the conspiracy movement is actually a professor at my former university: FAU.

SMH!

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Re: 27 Dead in Connecticut Shooting, Including 18 Children
« Reply #162 on: January 15, 2013, 11:44:22 pm »
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my brother just showed me the hoax video, strange stuff.
Brought up some parents posting that their kid was dead on facebook, starting a charity, and this was before they knew if the kid was dead or alive. Then there was a pic of the family with Obama, as "survivors"