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Re: Another police shooting
« Reply #2 on: July 21, 2016, 07:17:34 pm »
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ya I was going to post the cnn article/video of this, but got distracted.

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Re: Another police shooting
« Reply #3 on: July 21, 2016, 07:19:00 pm »
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I just posted this in the "fuck the state" thread.

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Re: Another police shooting
« Reply #4 on: July 21, 2016, 07:23:32 pm »
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I just posted this in the "fuck the state" thread.

ya it belongs there too. crazy shit. If there wasn't "bigger things in the news" today, i'd suspect to see all of the "don't jump to conclusions crowd" and people trying to pull up the black guy's record, also calling those cops heroes.

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Re: Another police shooting
« Reply #5 on: August 05, 2016, 01:45:46 pm »
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horrible..

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-police-shooting-video-shocking-20160805-snap-story.html

don't care what anyone says, that cop firing into the car initially as it's driving away is an absolute travesty. horrible policing.

also the cops high fiving & shit afterwards is a bit annoying.

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Re: Another police shooting
« Reply #6 on: August 05, 2016, 01:50:36 pm »
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is my brain wired differently?

to me, the fact that cops are shooting into a car like that as it's fleeing, is far worse than the car theft itself. There could have been other people (kids, hostages) etc in the car. There was probably no direct threat to the officers. It's probably easier to defend the car theft than it is to defend officers shooting into a moving car that is simply "fleeing/giving chase". Who knows, maybe more information will come out to change my mind.. but I seriously doubt it.

whatever happened to spike strips?

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Re: Another police shooting
« Reply #7 on: August 05, 2016, 03:46:32 pm »
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<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIKnxw7K300" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIKnxw7K300</a>

Right at the beginning of this video, it looks like the cop got out of cruiser and was almost run over. That's my guess as to why they opened fire.

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Re: Another police shooting
« Reply #8 on: August 05, 2016, 04:48:06 pm »
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is my brain wired differently?

to me, the fact that cops are shooting into a car like that as it's fleeing, is far worse than the car theft itself. There could have been other people (kids, hostages) etc in the car. There was probably no direct threat to the officers. It's probably easier to defend the car theft than it is to defend officers shooting into a moving car that is simply "fleeing/giving chase". Who knows, maybe more information will come out to change my mind.. but I seriously doubt it.

whatever happened to spike strips?

what happened prior to mattyg's video?  Why was he fleeing from the cops and was he pulled over at some point and then drove off or did they try to pull him over and he just took off?  If they pulled him over and he just drove out then theyd let the officers in the surrounding area know what he looks like, how many passengers are in the car, make model color of the car etc etc.

fleeing from the cops like that in a neighborhood like that is dangerous and they in my opinion were justified and felt justified to take out the threat.  Kids could have crossed the road and gotten hit or if there were enough cops blocking the road he could have drove up onto the sidewalk and hit people etc etc.  Idk, do stupid shit and don't expect to have a nice day.
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Re: Another police shooting
« Reply #9 on: August 05, 2016, 06:48:45 pm »
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is my brain wired differently?

to me, the fact that cops are shooting into a car like that as it's fleeing, is far worse than the car theft itself. There could have been other people (kids, hostages) etc in the car. There was probably no direct threat to the officers. It's probably easier to defend the car theft than it is to defend officers shooting into a moving car that is simply "fleeing/giving chase". Who knows, maybe more information will come out to change my mind.. but I seriously doubt it.

whatever happened to spike strips?

what happened prior to mattyg's video?  Why was he fleeing from the cops and was he pulled over at some point and then drove off or did they try to pull him over and he just took off?  If they pulled him over and he just drove out then theyd let the officers in the surrounding area know what he looks like, how many passengers are in the car, make model color of the car etc etc.

fleeing from the cops like that in a neighborhood like that is dangerous and they in my opinion were justified and felt justified to take out the threat.  Kids could have crossed the road and gotten hit or if there were enough cops blocking the road he could have drove up onto the sidewalk and hit people etc etc.

*correction*

fleeing in a neighborhood like that is dangerous, kids could have been crossing the road and gotten "SHOT".

Also, all of this "he could have" .. He could have turned into a unicorn with lasers for eyes and eviscerated everyone in that neighborhood. Might as well just shoot him. 12 year old kid with a toy gun, could have been real, shot em`. Guy could have been reaching for his gun, shoot em`.


nevermind that apparently it's against chicago PD protocol to shoot at a car like they did.. let's just try and justify it.

carry on :f



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Idk, do stupid shit and don't expect to have a nice day.

riight. I guess this is the new normal in america. Do stupid shit and expect to get shot by the police.



Sticking up for the police when they do shit like this, is dangerous for everyone. Not sure why people haven't caught on to that yet... It breeds several things: more resentment/fear of the police, gives the police the idea they can get away with anything, invites more corruption into the police department, makes lives of people breaking the law seem completely irrelevant - i'm sorry, stealing a car is bad but it's not a death penalty in my book. Strong arming someone at a convenience store is very bad, but it's not a death penalty in my book.

Anyway.. all this talk about the cop fearing he would be run over etc. If cops want to be heroes, ram his fucking car. Don't park off to the side and start gang-member-style popping off shots into the stolen vehicle. Nothing heroic about that.

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Re: Another police shooting
« Reply #10 on: August 05, 2016, 07:35:58 pm »
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I'm not sticking up for them, I simply asked for the events that took place beforehand that lead to it and gave some examples as to why they probablu acted in the way that they did.  I'm not saying I agree with it.
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Re: Another police shooting
« Reply #11 on: August 05, 2016, 07:46:59 pm »
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is my brain wired differently?

to me, the fact that cops are shooting into a car like that as it's fleeing, is far worse than the car theft itself. There could have been other people (kids, hostages) etc in the car. There was probably no direct threat to the officers. It's probably easier to defend the car theft than it is to defend officers shooting into a moving car that is simply "fleeing/giving chase". Who knows, maybe more information will come out to change my mind.. but I seriously doubt it.

whatever happened to spike strips?

what happened prior to mattyg's video?  Why was he fleeing from the cops and was he pulled over at some point and then drove off or did they try to pull him over and he just took off?  If they pulled him over and he just drove out then theyd let the officers in the surrounding area know what he looks like, how many passengers are in the car, make model color of the car etc etc.

fleeing from the cops like that in a neighborhood like that is dangerous and they in my opinion were justified and felt justified to take out the threat.  Kids could have crossed the road and gotten hit or if there were enough cops blocking the road he could have drove up onto the sidewalk and hit people etc etc.

*correction*

fleeing in a neighborhood like that is dangerous, kids could have been crossing the road and gotten "SHOT".

Also, all of this "he could have" .. He could have turned into a unicorn with lasers for eyes and eviscerated everyone in that neighborhood. Might as well just shoot him. 12 year old kid with a toy gun, could have been real, shot em`. Guy could have been reaching for his gun, shoot em`.


nevermind that apparently it's against chicago PD protocol to shoot at a car like they did.. let's just try and justify it.

carry on :f



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Idk, do stupid shit and don't expect to have a nice day.

riight. I guess this is the new normal in america. Do stupid shit and expect to get shot by the police.



Sticking up for the police when they do shit like this, is dangerous for everyone. Not sure why people haven't caught on to that yet... It breeds several things: more resentment/fear of the police, gives the police the idea they can get away with anything, invites more corruption into the police department, makes lives of people breaking the law seem completely irrelevant - i'm sorry, stealing a car is bad but it's not a death penalty in my book. Strong arming someone at a convenience store is very bad, but it's not a death penalty in my book.

Anyway.. all this talk about the cop fearing he would be run over etc. If cops want to be heroes, ram his fucking car. Don't park off to the side and start gang-member-style popping off shots into the stolen vehicle. Nothing heroic about that.

The problem w John Stamos advice isn't that it's not true - it's that it's unsolicited and unnecessary...

Trust me every black family is having conversations about not doing stupid stuff to avoid getting shot by the cops.  The school I volunteered at wouldn't let kids wear hoodies cause they wanted them walking home to look as non threatening as possible.  Black people know there is a long list of things to do to drastically reduce their chances of getting shot by police - don't be a knucklehead, don't smoke weed, don't talk back, keep hands high, seat belts on, ten and two, etc.  Doesn't help that every so often someone does all this and still gets shot (like the therapist in Florida)... But really that isn't the issue. 

The issue is black people aren't asking for advice about how to reduce the chances they get shot - they are pointing out that it's not right to shoot someone who behaves perfectly AND it's also not right to shoot someone who behaves like a knucklehead... It's not right for the penalty for being a petty criminal to be getting shot by the cops! 

That's why when someone on the other side offers unsolicited advice about how to avoid getting shot - it's insulting!

Think of it like this.  Would you let your girl walk home in through a park in a miniskirt after dark?  I would advise against it.  Most people would.  Cause they know it will drastically reduce her chances of being raped if she is with someone else or gets a ride.  So we follow this advice... It's sane and logical...

But then what if your girl doesn't?  What if she does walk through the park and gets raped... Do you want to hear that "well man if she didn't walk alone at night that wouldn't have happened?"

No.  Because not following safety advice does not make rape ok.  It's might not be smart for women to take a risk in a high rape area.  But it doesn't make the rape any more ok!  She wasn't asking for it, she didn't deserve it. 

Victim fortification is great.  Preventative measures are totally a necessary part of the game and we should follow them... But when one forgets to or doesn't want to and they suffer horrible consequences it is not appropriate to bring up the fact that they had they followed them they may not have suffered.  That is shifting the blame to the victim and it's not fair or right.

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Re: Another police shooting
« Reply #12 on: August 05, 2016, 07:59:53 pm »
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Fine, let him go and have him run someone over instead of taking out the threat.  Nevermind that he escalated everything by using his car the way he did which turned up the penalty to assault with a deadly weapon.

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Re: Another police shooting
« Reply #14 on: August 07, 2016, 07:56:48 pm »
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http://www.vox.com/2016/8/5/12388528/paul-o-neal-chicago-police-shooting-video

also .. to all of the people who shit on BLM:

https://theintercept.com/2016/08/03/black-lives-matter-answers-the-question-what-are-your-demands/

https://policy.m4bl.org/

their platform.. maybe now people can start to separate the BLM movement from a small percentage of people who "misuse" the movement.