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Brexit
« on: June 22, 2016, 08:20:20 pm »
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Not a lot of Brits on here, I don't think, but holy shit the UK might actually vote to leave the EU tomorrow. This is so stupid it beggars the imagination. But then again Donald Trump has been popular here for months. Turns out lots of white people are still scared of brown people all over the place, not just in the US. That's either reassuring or deeply depressing, or both.

This is what I'll be following obsessively as soon as I wake up tomorrow: https://twitter.com/BrexitWatch.
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Re: Brexit
« Reply #1 on: June 23, 2016, 03:50:28 am »
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even if they don't vote to leave the EU, the fact that it's this close is probably a bad sign for the future.

ya this is pretty crazy, will be watching also.

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Re: Brexit
« Reply #2 on: June 23, 2016, 05:32:01 am »
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I would like to watch the results but it will be around 3am, so I will wait till tomorrow and see what the reaction is on the news and the headlines. It will be crazy for Britain to leave the EU. They think this will solve immigration problems, and supposedly 'get their jobs back, which is supposedly going to foreigners' But they don't realize the support they are receving from EU, they wont get it anywhere. The people are easily swayed by these policiticians, thats how cameron came in to power, they also giving misleading information to convince them to vote one way. But at the end of the day, I dont think people will vote to leave, some will realize, they wont survive independantly, its crazy to think they will get britain back lol by leaving EU.

Every politician and influential person is trying to hard to convince, but I think that even though there is a lot of vibe about brexit happening, the final vote is by the people and I dont think britain will leave EU, just like the referendum of whether scotland should be be independant from UK and people realized it would be better to be part of Britain.

But will have to see how it turns out.
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Re: Brexit
« Reply #3 on: June 23, 2016, 02:51:22 pm »
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Interesting video from a British MEP (member of European Parliament, I believe)
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzNj-hH8LkY" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzNj-hH8LkY</a>

Worth watching as he has a unique perspective being part of the EU government, but also being British.

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Re: Brexit
« Reply #4 on: June 24, 2016, 12:06:27 am »
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holy shit.. UK leaving the EU.

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Re: Brexit
« Reply #5 on: June 24, 2016, 12:11:56 am »
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Re: Brexit
« Reply #6 on: June 24, 2016, 12:13:35 am »
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Re: Brexit
« Reply #7 on: June 24, 2016, 01:01:19 am »
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Leaving the EU will not solve any of the UKs real problems though. Inequality and under investment will remain whether we stay or go. The most intractable problems we face such as global warming ,terrorism and immigration can only be solved by real cooperation across national boundaries.
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Re: Brexit
« Reply #8 on: June 24, 2016, 01:43:30 am »
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Leaving the EU will not solve any of the UKs real problems though. Inequality and under investment will remain whether we stay or go.

fear & fear mongering are contributing to people making very bad decisions.. i'm not a BREXIT expert, but, I see similarities here in the US; ie with the rise of Trump etc. FWIW, Trump advocated UK leaving the EU.. The scary part about his recommendation, is that it probably comes from a foundation of zero research, and instead entirely from an anti-immigration perspective.



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The most intractable problems we face such as global warming ,terrorism and immigration can only be solved by real cooperation across national boundaries.

yup.. lots of politicians are demagoguing on these issues to get people to "close themselves off".. to "take their countries back". it's working.

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Re: Brexit
« Reply #9 on: June 24, 2016, 02:23:15 am »
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actually just noticed this on Philip Wadler's blog.. he's a beast programmer.

http://wadler.blogspot.com/2016/06/brexit-is-fake-revolt-working-class.html

He quotes Paul Mason:

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To people getting ready for the mother of all revolts on Thursday, I want to point out the crucial difference between a real revolt and a fake one. The elite does not usually lead the real ones. In a real revolt, the rich and powerful usually head for the hills, terrified. Nor are the Sun and the Daily Mail usually to be found egging on a real insurrection

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Re: Brexit
« Reply #10 on: June 24, 2016, 03:18:57 am »
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man this is crazy.. the UK is going to be wrecked for quite some time. no?

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Re: Brexit
« Reply #11 on: June 24, 2016, 03:24:08 am »
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damn Cameron basically announcing he's stepping down, effective October.

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Re: Brexit
« Reply #12 on: June 24, 2016, 03:30:37 am »
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Leaving the EU will not solve any of the UKs real problems though. Inequality and under investment will remain whether we stay or go.

fear & fear mongering are contributing to people making very bad decisions.. i'm not a BREXIT expert, but, I see similarities here in the US; ie with the rise of Trump etc. FWIW, Trump advocated UK leaving the EU.. The scary part about his recommendation, is that it probably comes from a foundation of zero research, and instead entirely from an anti-immigration perspective.



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The most intractable problems we face such as global warming ,terrorism and immigration can only be solved by real cooperation across national boundaries.

yup.. lots of politicians are demagoguing on these issues to get people to "close themselves off".. to "take their countries back". it's working.

I can see how people would support nationalistic measures, particularly among industrial areas and the working class. It wouldn't be hard for politicians to stir up fear. Most economies throughout the world have been fairly weak post-GFC and the world has become a lot more competitive and many would even say there are less opportunities etc. You get a politician talking in front of a bunch of construction workers who have had to take pay cuts or are concerned about where their next contracts going to come from you're not going to get much response blaming the economy, weak fiscal demand etc. On the other hand if you blame migrants and say 'it's all those Polacks who are willing to work for 1/3 of the price and cheaper to pay 3 Polaks than 1 pom' it resonates with people and they suddenly have somebody to blame for their situation.

Globalisation has led to the outsourcing of manufacturing and even entire industries and most of the people effected have been working class males. The jobs that have been created are in services, which are often part-time work. The narrative has been that when companies make greater profits they'll employ more workers, but since the 1980's and the financialisation of the world this hasn't been the case.

Wages aren't keeping up with productivity and instead of workers enjoying the profits it's all about shareholders etc.  Even when companies are making million dollar profits they'll think about offshoring if they think they can generate higher returns. Then you've got all these executive and CEO salaries, which have just skyrocketed at the same time and wealth is being concentrated in the hands of a minority instead of the majority. Wealth inequality is now at its highest level since the 1920's!!!

People in power don't want to change the system so of course blaming migrants and immigrants becomes a convenient scapegoat. It's just laughable how people/society can even justify this gross misallocation of wealth. Why does a CEO have to earn 200x the salary of a worker for the same company? In 3rd world countries there's millions, maybe even billions of people living without food, adequate water supply/quality, shelter, and or electricity. The other problem is people try and put everything as black and white. If you disagree with anything in society you're suddenly a socialist. I believe in capitalism I just don't believe in the neo-liberalism that developed economies have steadfastly adapted since the 1980's.
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Re: Brexit
« Reply #13 on: June 24, 2016, 10:41:03 am »
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i texted my old boss/mentor last night, who's english, saying i was so sorry. her response: "i wept. it doesn't feel like my country anymore."
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Re: Brexit
« Reply #14 on: June 24, 2016, 01:37:59 pm »
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i texted my old boss/mentor last night, who's english, saying i was so sorry. her response: "i wept. it doesn't feel like my country anymore."

damn..........

the crazy thing is.. we'll be saying the same thing if Trump wins here in the US.. but, the people who support Trump, are already saying they can't recognize their own country etc.

everybody is so divided.