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Re: Brexit
« Reply #15 on: June 24, 2016, 05:03:35 pm »
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damn, the UK are leaving the EU 52% to 48% after this event, the stock market fell, the value of the pound fell. British prime minister is going to step down and now UK are in a mess.

Its like the kid who decides to leave home with no money, he won't be able to last for long before asking for support.

funny how they call it the divorce, eu want the divorce quickly as possible.

What happens from now, will be a bad time, the UK's attempt to survive.

some info about Brexit.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-32810887
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Re: Brexit
« Reply #16 on: June 25, 2016, 01:49:52 am »
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damn, the UK are leaving the EU 52% to 48% after this event, the stock market fell, the value of the pound fell. British prime minister is going to step down and now UK are in a mess.

Its like the kid who decides to leave home with no money, he won't be able to last for long before asking for support.

funny how they call it the divorce, eu want the divorce quickly as possible.

What happens from now, will be a bad time, the UK's attempt to survive.

some info about Brexit.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-32810887

I don't think you know what you're talking about.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_the_European_Union#Economies_of_member_states

UK ranks 6th out of the (formerly) 28 member states of the EU in GDP per capita.
UK ranks 2nd out of the (formerly) 28 member states of the EU total GDP (17.5% of total).

What we'll see next is the EU try to sanction the UK so other member states, that would also be better off outside of the EU, don't get the same.

I understand why people would love to be able to travel between all the countries in Europe. Lots of history, variety, etc.
What I don't get is giving a group of people that don't necessarily have your best interests at heart control of the economy of your country, eg dictating with who and what you can and can't trade.

Correct me if I'm wrong, I'm all ears and don't want to hold uninformed opinions.

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Re: Brexit
« Reply #17 on: June 25, 2016, 10:07:24 am »
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damn, the UK are leaving the EU 52% to 48% after this event, the stock market fell, the value of the pound fell. British prime minister is going to step down and now UK are in a mess.

Its like the kid who decides to leave home with no money, he won't be able to last for long before asking for support.

funny how they call it the divorce, eu want the divorce quickly as possible.

What happens from now, will be a bad time, the UK's attempt to survive.

some info about Brexit.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-32810887

I don't think you know what you're talking about.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_the_European_Union#Economies_of_member_states

UK ranks 6th out of the (formerly) 28 member states of the EU in GDP per capita.
UK ranks 2nd out of the (formerly) 28 member states of the EU total GDP (17.5% of total).

What we'll see next is the EU try to sanction the UK so other member states, that would also be better off outside of the EU, don't get the same.

I understand why people would love to be able to travel between all the countries in Europe. Lots of history, variety, etc.
What I don't get is giving a group of people that don't necessarily have your best interests at heart control of the economy of your country, eg dictating with who and what you can and can't trade.

Correct me if I'm wrong, I'm all ears and don't want to hold uninformed opinions.

Im assuming you are referring to the part where I feel that after Brexit, UK will struggle financially. The kid leaving home to be independent breaks ties and starts his own, like UK have done with EU, they will have to come to a deal with EU regarding trading if it wants to be stable. When UK were part of the EU their major trading partner was the EU and after exiting, their is uncertainty of maintaining that relationship with the EU and that could cause the UK to go into recession.

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The British pound has lost about 9 percent of its value since Thursday's vote, and Britain's FTSE 100 stock index lost 3 percent of its value in Friday trading. When you consider that the FTSE is priced in pounds, that means British stocks are down more than 10 percent in real terms.

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"If you are Nissan or some other car producer with major production in the UK, today, the same safety standards and environmental standards allow you to sell everywhere in the European market," Jacob Funk Kirkegaard, an economist at the Peterson Institute for International Economics, told me. But if the UK leaves the EU, "you would no longer be able to sell into other European markets, not because you face a small tariff but because you'd have to go through another set of safety certifications. This kind of thing would be repeated in every industry you can think of."

That is the biggest concern of BREXIT, but anything can happen in the future and britian after invoking article 50, they will be given 2 years to get the process going and try to set up some security to survive.

But EU dont seem to like Britain leaving as they lose the membership fee and want britain to leave the EU as quickly as possible.

The UK government has estimated that BREXIT could cause the economy to be between 3.8 and 7.5 percent smaller by 2030 depending on how the negotiations for access to the European market go.
http://www.economist.com/news/latin-america/21697097-leaving-eu-would-come-heavy-cost-treasury-analysis-suggests-costs-brexit-would

But as you mentioned, this will have big impact on immigration as when the UK was in EU, a person from one EU contry has unrestricted right to live in another EU country and statistics show that there are approx 1.2 mil brits living in other EU countries, so after brexit UK will not get have this right and this could result some immigrants living in the UK being deported. you probably dont understand what it means to this EU immigrants who have come to the UK to settle and start a new life.

But thats what made it so much of a difficult decision as there were pros and cons to Brexit and the main driving force for brexit was the large number of immigrants coming to UK and taking peoples job amongst others, but does it outweigh the good, they have been in the EU since 1973 and leaving comes with a lot of uncertainty thats why the coming years will determine whether UK will sink or swim.

but I should have stated it was just my 2 cents and so is this, I didn't study economics so those statistics are just numbers to me lol
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Re: Brexit
« Reply #19 on: June 28, 2016, 03:54:38 am »
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Re: Brexit
« Reply #20 on: June 28, 2016, 05:55:07 am »
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Re: Brexit
« Reply #22 on: June 29, 2016, 04:33:05 am »
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Farage: "I know none of you have ever done a proper job in your lives" etc ..

what's up with these former business folk who get into politics, just insulting people, then subsequently telling people to grow up etc? He really seems like he's enjoying himself... perhaps at the expense of the UK.

trumpism 2016..  :uhhhfacepalm:

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« Reply #23 on: June 29, 2016, 04:35:31 am »
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Re: Brexit
« Reply #24 on: June 29, 2016, 11:55:00 am »
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lol, i guess he is like the trump but to a lower degree as he would get roasted if he started making comments trump did as there is less freedom in UK then in the USA. but because of brexit he has become really happy and is really sticking it in people's faces. lol
especially in the first video adarq you posted when he was speaking in front of the EU members.
Nigel farage has always been support of being out of the EU and a policy of the UKIP party and as david cameron is stepping down, will this mean that the only person who is prepared for a brexit is UKIP as the other parties were against it. makes you wonder.
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Re: Brexit
« Reply #25 on: June 29, 2016, 04:57:25 pm »
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Re: Brexit
« Reply #26 on: June 29, 2016, 05:44:12 pm »
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and which "liberals" might those be, hm?
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Re: Brexit
« Reply #27 on: June 29, 2016, 05:44:32 pm »
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funny but dumb meme.

i'm liberal.. i don't think the referendum vote was anti-democratic at all.

I obviously don't speak for all liberals, but from what i've seen, the complaint isn't that the vote was anti-democratic, it was that the politicians pushing for "leave" used typical anti-immigration scare tactics (that targeted the older generations) and don't actually have much of an actual plan yet.

the people of the UK can't whine about it.. unless there is fraud/large scale suppression, a vote is a vote.. anyone who didn't vote & disagrees with the result ... should have participated. It's not like they can simply vote to get back into the EU either. Alot easier to get out, than to get back in (probably impossible).

Lesson for the US: Get out and vote in November, or get ready for president Trump. eek.

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Re: Brexit
« Reply #28 on: June 29, 2016, 05:44:50 pm »
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and which "liberals" might those be, hm?

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Re: Brexit
« Reply #29 on: June 30, 2016, 03:09:46 am »
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What I don't get about referendums is the lack of information (or the propaganda) presented to the voting public.

There's a lot of stuff that can go wrong BEFORE the referendum. The information that the public gets access to is crucial, and then it has to be doubled by the fact that the public is actually interested about it/wants to get informed.

Let's say we want to save planet Earth from an asteroid. We organize a referendum about how we should do it. There are two ways:

1) Blow it up to pieces with nuclear weapons
2) Attach a sattelite next to it at a certain point so that the mass of the sattelite pulls the asteroid to it and deviates it just a bit from the trajectory, enough to make it miss the Earth by quite a bit.

Humanity organizes a referendum to see which one of these two options people want, except the people have no idea how these work. Which one is more efficient? What risks are there for each one? What is the margin of error that would be catastrophic if it doesn't work? Can we use the other one if the one chosen doesn't work, as the asteroid gets closer to us? Will the nuclear weapons blow it up to smaller pieces, and these pieces will cause even more devastation when they hit the Earth? Is the mass and trajectory of the gravitational satellite well calculated?

And a ton of other questions. Unfortunately, only the experts will know this - not because there's a big conspiracy and they want to fool us - but because there's a ton of math and statistics behind these outcomes and scenarios.

Empowering someone who lacks the adequate information to vote on such a critical matter is nonsense. The same applies to this situation - the voter doesn't have enough information to vote on this "Brexit" subject. He/she doesn't know the implications of it. Doesn't know under what circumstances it applies. Doesn't know the economic effects of it. And on and on and on we go.

We can think of a referendum as the most democratic way of governing, but it's meaningless in complex subjects. Not only that, but propaganda is a great tool to influence the outcome of a referendum, instead of actual facts.

Now imagine a second scenario: we have a referendum to decide if each one of us should have a Ferrari. My guess is, there will be an overwhelming "yes" vote. See how ridiculous this gets?

So, my point is that referendums need to be used carefully, and ONLY after very much actual objective information has been provided. As we know, we live in a political world, where "objective information" is not a very spread out idea, especially to the masses.

I think this is what happened with this referendum.

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