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Re: coronavirus
« Reply #450 on: March 28, 2020, 07:35:28 pm »
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fuck. sad :/

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/27/us/inside-hospitals-coronavirus-vignettes/index.html

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Patients were streaming in nonstop, she said, coughing and sweating, with fevers and "fear in their eyes." The nurse wrote that she cried in the bathroom during her break, peeling off the PPE that left indentations in her face.

"I am begging you to stay home," she wrote. "Please. I cannot stay home and if you do not listen this will not end. It looks like a movie but it's real life and I cannot believe its real."

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"What's very devastating for me is some people we know will not survive," he said, "and since they're not allowed to have visitors, I may be the last face they see and voice they hear ever as I put them to sleep (general anesthesia) prior to being on a ventilator.

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Re: coronavirus
« Reply #451 on: March 28, 2020, 11:02:53 pm »
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Many lessons here. Most notable to me: 1.  PARTIAL SOLUTIONS DON'T WORK. Italy locked down only high risk areas ("red zones"), but it only facilitated spread as people fled lockdown areas. "Italy followed the spread rather than prevented it." Exactly what the US is doing.

^^ yup

https://twitter.com/Atul_Gawande/status/1243880264163524610

https://hbr.org/2020/03/lessons-from-italys-response-to-coronavirus

good read.

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Similar reactions were repeated across many other countries besides Italy and exemplify what behavioral scientists call confirmation bias — a tendency to seize upon information that confirms our preferred position or initial hypothesis. Threats such as pandemics that evolve in a nonlinear fashion (i.e., they start small but exponentially intensify) are especially tricky to confront because of the challenges of rapidly interpreting what is happening in real time. The most effective time to take strong action is extremely early, when the threat appears to be small — or even before there are any cases. But if the intervention actually works, it will appear in retrospect as if the strong actions were an overreaction. This is a game many politicians don’t want to play.

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Re: coronavirus
« Reply #452 on: March 28, 2020, 11:14:49 pm »
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DeSantis keeps out the Miami Herland from a public meeting.

he's ducking hard. we're going to get smashed. he's such a failure.

https://twitter.com/MaryEllenKlas/status/1243981251138158593

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.GovRonDeSantis decided to violate the state's public meeting laws and chose to exclude the
@MiamiHerald
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@TB_Times
 from a media briefing at the Capitol. He was so determined to keep us out, he had an FDLE vehicle pick up TV reporter Mike Vasilinda to give him back door access


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Re: coronavirus
« Reply #454 on: March 28, 2020, 11:27:14 pm »
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https://twitter.com/ScottGottliebMD/status/1244100172881297413

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This is now a national epidemic with multiple epicenters. New Orleans, Dallas, Miami, Chicago, Detroit, Boston, Philadelphia, Los Angeles are among cities doubling cases every 3 to 4 days. This reality may severely stretch our ability to federally assist local healthcare systems.


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Re: coronavirus
« Reply #455 on: March 28, 2020, 11:43:38 pm »
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it's a dire situation in america and this is just the 1st wave.. hopefully we have more than enough vents, ppe, and healthcare workers by the time the 2nd wave hits..

the 1918 h1n1 pandemic had 3 distinct waves.. ncov appears to be cyclical, and so we may see something similar as it shifts between the 2 hemispheres a few times..


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Re: coronavirus
« Reply #456 on: March 29, 2020, 12:19:37 am »
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not sure if they know if it's cyclical or not yet. we don't know if it'll be "seasonal" either etc.

that 1918 first wave was so tiny in comparison. i feel like that wouldn't be the case with this one. there's way too much data/communication for that to happen. i mean let's say we get it under control in 3 months, then let our guard down, then it starts spreading again, we'd lock down (globally) much quicker the second time around.

dno just think the 1918 wave comparisons are going to be very different.. that's assuming the "global leadership" doesn't just get fed up of saving lives & starts mandating the herd immunity approach. which seemed to be their initial idea.... eek lol.

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Re: coronavirus
« Reply #457 on: March 29, 2020, 12:19:59 am »
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Re: coronavirus
« Reply #458 on: March 29, 2020, 02:44:11 am »
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solid interview with "the guy" all of my "economy-focused friends" are citing. obviously very smart guy.. but, he's way too "passive". the best example of this, in my opinion, is:

interviewer: is it possible, that if we weren't actually looking for this, that it would just be another bump in flu virus mortalities?
DL: it's a possibility...

that video was uploaded on March 25th. do people really believe, if we didn't know this was going around, we'd just think it was a small bump in flu mortalities?

IMHO, anyone that uses such reasoning at this point, loses alot of credibility.

without lockdown/containment measures, it would be complete meltdown. how do you take the current situation: health care systems in several developed countries being, or on the verge of being completely overwhelmed, even with national and global lockdown.. then extrapolate that out to a "normal looking flu bump"?

fu*k off.

https://twitter.com/METRICStanford/status/1243205104968388608

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEr4rmjwd0g" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEr4rmjwd0g</a>

you have a spectrum of alarmists through anti-alarmists. he seems "anti-alarmist". I mean sure once he gets his data, maybe he'll think it's more serious.. but by the time we get that data, a fuckton of people could be dead.

for example, he said several times that the US may hit 10,000 deaths, maybe more, or MAYBE EVEN LESS. I mean we're at 2,000+ right now, with 4-8 more brutal weeks ahead (or many more if we don't get our shit together ASAP). Seems likely that we will eclipse 10k deaths by next week.

on the flip side, Fauci said this feels like the "fog of war". to me that makes more sense.. Fauci is more of an alarmist - he's stated: we need to over-react. In the absence of this beautiful data everyone wants, overreact and protect as many people as possible. It's obviously bad enough to warrant that at this point: China, Iran, Italy, US, Spain etc.

i roll wit the fauci's.

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Re: coronavirus
« Reply #459 on: March 29, 2020, 11:27:54 am »
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just a little "normal flu-like bump" right? ok...

the stories from first responders/nurses/doctors are nuts.. :/

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/28/nyregion/nyc-coronavirus-ems.html?action=click&module=Spotlight&pgtype=Homepage

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On Thursday, dispatchers took more than 7,000 calls — a volume not seen since the Sept. 11 attacks. The record for amount of calls in a day was broken three times in the last week.

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Because of the volume, emergency medical workers are making life-or-death decisions about who is sick enough to take to crowded emergency rooms and who appears well enough to leave behind. They are assessing on scene which patients should receive time-consuming measures like CPR and intubation, and which patients are too far gone to save.



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Inside ambulances, on rudimentary digital screens, the dispatches are listed — call No. 2,488, sick; call No. 2,555, sick; call No. 2,894, sick with a fever. The screen goes on for rows, a catalog of the city’s ill and dying. Peppered among them are the usual every day calls still demanding attention: injuries, accidents, heart attacks

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Three weeks ago, the paramedics said, most coronavirus calls were for respiratory distress or fever. Now the same types of patients, after having been sent home from the hospital, are experiencing organ failure and cardiac arrest.



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The growing pandemic has tested paramedics physically and mentally, said Anthony Almojera, an E.M.S. lieutenant for the Fire Department who said he cried on the job for the first time in his 17-year career.

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Re: coronavirus
« Reply #460 on: March 29, 2020, 03:28:49 pm »
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Re: coronavirus
« Reply #461 on: March 29, 2020, 03:31:12 pm »
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so crazy..

https://twitter.com/PreventionTips/status/1244329897117564929

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NEW YORK:

NYPD
700+ officers have tested positive
29 hospitalized
3 deaths

NYFD
230+ members test positive

(CNN)

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Re: coronavirus
« Reply #462 on: March 29, 2020, 03:32:40 pm »
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https://twitter.com/eliowa/status/1244333267148509191

https://www.tampabay.com/news/health/2020/03/28/florida-coronavirus-cases-are-growing-fast-heres-what-that-means/

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For decades to come, Florida will be a case study in what not to do in a pandemic. The states inaction has harmed tourists across the globe and many many Florida citizens. A travesty beyond comprehension #covid19 #covid19florida

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New analysis of the outbreak in Florida, where experts say there is a “huge public health crisis” coming:

—cases double every 3 days
—acceleration mirrors NY
—only 40,000 tested
—no stay at home order


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Re: coronavirus
« Reply #463 on: March 29, 2020, 09:25:48 pm »
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w.h. taking a new tone, acting as if they should be congratulated if we keep it to 100k deaths. that's their new spin. but at least i's a sign they may be taking it serious.

fauci, getting through to that pile of garbage, makes him the leading 2020 person of the year candidate. :ninja:

https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/03/29/nation/fauci-predicts-millions-coronavirus-cases-us-more-than-100000-deaths/

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Re: coronavirus
« Reply #464 on: March 29, 2020, 10:39:06 pm »
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Among the deaths: a 42-year-old woman in Arkansas with no pre-existing health condition (and who had never been hospitalized before, according to her sister) who felt "a little sick" on March 15 and thought it to be a cold or a sinus infection. After developing shortness of breath and cough that wouldn't go away, she was admitted to the hospital on March 24 and tested positive to Covid-19. She was put on a ventilator in ICU and, after 4 days (on Saturday, March 28), she died.