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« on: November 09, 2016, 12:07:36 am »
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i can't really think straight right now, so i'm just going to post this quote from paul krugman.

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We still don’t know who will win the electoral college, although as I write this it looks — incredibly, horribly — as if the odds now favor Donald J. Trump. What we do know is that people like me, and probably like most readers of The New York Times, truly didn’t understand the country we live in. We thought that our fellow citizens would not, in the end, vote for a candidate so manifestly unqualified for high office, so temperamentally unsound, so scary yet ludicrous.

We thought that the nation, while far from having transcended racial prejudice and misogyny, had become vastly more open and tolerant over time.

We thought that the great majority of Americans valued democratic norms and the rule of law.

It turns out that we were wrong. There turn out to be a huge number of people — white people, living mainly in rural areas — who don’t share at all our idea of what America is about. For them, it is about blood and soil, about traditional patriarchy and racial hierarchy. And there were many other people who might not share those anti-democratic values, but who nonetheless were willing to vote for anyone bearing the Republican label.

I don’t know how we go forward from here. Is America a failed state and society? It looks truly possible. I guess we have to pick ourselves up and try to find a way forward, but this has been a night of terrible revelations, and I don’t think it’s self-indulgent to feel quite a lot of despair.
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monday: strength/cross training
tuesday: easy run 60+ mins @ 5:20-5:30 (11+ km)
wednesday: fartlek (mostly easy pace with mix of strides, hills, long tempo) 45 mins (8+ km)
thursday: easy run 60+ mins @ 5:20-5:30 (11+ km), strength/cross-training
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saturday: short tempo 6-8x500 @ sub-4:00 (7 km)

strength would be:
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- box jumps or ME SVJ 2x5
- squats 3x6-8 or weighted BSS/lunges 3x10/leg
- RDL/hypers 2x10-12 or SLRDL 2x10-12/leg
- upper push myo-reps or sets to technical failure
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- leg raises, holds, pallof presses

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Re: despair
« Reply #1 on: November 09, 2016, 12:13:54 am »
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it could be as simple as bernie sanders taking hillary's votes away.
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« Reply #2 on: November 09, 2016, 01:34:29 am »
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Or maybe people voted for a change based on economic issues- free trade benefiting large multinational companies at the expense of workers, which has led to entire regions in developed nations hollowed out with entrenched unemployment and increasing poverty and social alienation. It's a race-to-the-bottom dynamic that sees the ‘market’ divorced from society. This is an ‘absolute advantage’ process, where capital shifts productive activity around the globe chasing low wages, poor workplace and environmental protections, and tax advantages.

Advanced nations were not built on free trade. They developed into rich nations through the use of industrial protection and government controls and supports.

Ha-Joon Chang (2007) rejects the ‘free market’ explanation for Korean development.

He writes (2007: xx-xxi):

"This neo-liberal establishment would have us believe that, during its miracle years between the 1960s and the 1980s, Korea pursued a neo-liberal economic development strategy …

The reality, however, was very different indeed. What Korea actually did during these decades was to nurture certain new industries, selected by the government in consultation with the private sector, through tariff protection, subsidies and other forms of government support (e.g., overseas marketing information services provided by the state export agency) until they ‘grew up’ enough to withstand international competition. The government owned all the banks, so it could direct the life blood of business—credit …

The Korean government also had absolute control over scarce foreign ex- change (violation of foreign exchange controls could be punished with the death penalty). When combined with a carefully designed list of priorities in the use of foreign exchange, it ensured that hard-earned foreign currencies were used for importing vital machinery and industrial inputs. The Korean government heavily controlled foreign investment as well, welcoming it with open arms in certain sectors while shutting it out completely in others, according to the evolving national development plan …

The popular impression of Korea as a free-trade economy was created by its export success. But export success does not require free trade, as Japan and China have also shown. Korean exports in the earlier period – things like simple garments and cheap electronics—were all means to earn the hard currencies needed to pay for the advanced technologies and expensive machines that were necessary for the new, more difficult industries, which were protected through tariffs and subsidies. At the same time, tariff protection and subsidies were not there to shield industries from international competition forever, but to give them the time to absorb new technologies and establish new organizational capabilities until they could compete in the world market.

The Korean economic miracle was the result of a clever and pragmatic mixture of market incentives and state direction".

[Reference: Chang, H-J (2007) The Myth of Free Trade and the Secret History of Capitalism, London, Bloomsbury Press.]

I don't know if Trump will do anything. But if your a pissed off citizen who has seen your living standards and job opportunities decline and the only option is between Clinton (who will continue business as usual) or Trump you're probably inclined to give Clinton the bird and vote Trump. The democrats would've won if they didn't have Clinton. The Democrats actually have some fairly progressive policy, which would benefit a lot of workers, but they failed to sell it. Instead their campaign was all about trying to demonize Trump as the loose cannon, which plays right into the ears of the hardcore Trump supporters and any swinging voters sick of the negativity and business as usual approach.

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Re: despair
« Reply #3 on: November 09, 2016, 01:43:48 am »
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it could be as simple as bernie sanders taking hillary's votes away.

nah, he campaigned for her at the end. and the flaws of hers that he hammered in the primary are mostly real, she bears a lot of responsibility for them. not all, the coverage of her was atrocious even in the liberal media. giving equal weight to the emails and to trump's manifold scandals is a travesty. it's as simple as this: tens of millions of white americans, our very own mattyg among them, like for society to be racist, patriarchal, and full of anger at the embrace of people different from them as equals. afraid of losing their place at the top of the racial hierarchy, despite the fact that they have manifestly not lost it. "all lives matter" people. people who fear and mistrust immigrants and anyone who doesn't speak english as a first language. people who

i don't buy the economic argument. i'm angry about inequality, about the way that the increasing concentration of capital in the financial and tech sectors has led to a situation where the only jobs many people can get are low-paying, unprotected, service jobs. i'm angry that no one on wall street really paid for the havoc they wreaked in 2007-2008. that for hundreds of thousands of people, if not more, the best they can do is file for permanent disability.

but i take it as a default that people who are different from me are no less than i am, that they deserve respect and the benefit of the doubt, that they deserve to have just as much power as i have. i recognize that a world where my whiteness, maleness, straightness, cisgenderedness do not gift me unearned power is a better world not just for people who are nonwhite, not male, not straight, not cisgendered BUT ALSO FOR ME.

but millions of people do not agree. they prefer their vicious, small-minded, angry worldview to one of love and openness. god help us.

i take it as an article of faith that achieving equality and economic prosperity is impossible without a strong government. that because many people are hateful and oppressive, the government must step in to protect those the powerful would oppress. that because the very rich are rapacious and greedy, the government must step in to enforce limits on capital and ensure that everyone has access to the services and goods that they need to live a decent life.

i don't know what else to say.
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sunday: long very easy run 80+ mins @ 5:40+ (14+ km)
monday: strength/cross training
tuesday: easy run 60+ mins @ 5:20-5:30 (11+ km)
wednesday: fartlek (mostly easy pace with mix of strides, hills, long tempo) 45 mins (8+ km)
thursday: easy run 60+ mins @ 5:20-5:30 (11+ km), strength/cross-training
friday: rest
saturday: short tempo 6-8x500 @ sub-4:00 (7 km)

strength would be:
- hops 2x10
- box jumps or ME SVJ 2x5
- squats 3x6-8 or weighted BSS/lunges 3x10/leg
- RDL/hypers 2x10-12 or SLRDL 2x10-12/leg
- upper push myo-reps or sets to technical failure
- upper pull myo-reps or sets to technical failure
- leg raises, holds, pallof presses

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Re: despair
« Reply #4 on: November 09, 2016, 02:02:58 am »
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it ain't about free trade, mutumbo. a lot of people in trump's base don't even know how many states there are, let alone what nafta is or how it actually affected them. they know they their jobs aren't as good as they used to be, or as their parents' jobs were, but not why.

« Last Edit: November 09, 2016, 02:05:00 am by LBSS »
Muscles are nonsensical they have nothing to do with this bullshit.

- Avishek

sunday: long very easy run 80+ mins @ 5:40+ (14+ km)
monday: strength/cross training
tuesday: easy run 60+ mins @ 5:20-5:30 (11+ km)
wednesday: fartlek (mostly easy pace with mix of strides, hills, long tempo) 45 mins (8+ km)
thursday: easy run 60+ mins @ 5:20-5:30 (11+ km), strength/cross-training
friday: rest
saturday: short tempo 6-8x500 @ sub-4:00 (7 km)

strength would be:
- hops 2x10
- box jumps or ME SVJ 2x5
- squats 3x6-8 or weighted BSS/lunges 3x10/leg
- RDL/hypers 2x10-12 or SLRDL 2x10-12/leg
- upper push myo-reps or sets to technical failure
- upper pull myo-reps or sets to technical failure
- leg raises, holds, pallof presses

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« Reply #5 on: November 09, 2016, 02:04:01 am »
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Or maybe people voted for a change based on economic issues- free trade benefiting large multinational companies at the expense of workers, which has led to entire regions in developed nations hollowed out with entrenched unemployment and increasing poverty and social alienation. It's a race-to-the-bottom dynamic that sees the ‘market’ divorced from society. This is an ‘absolute advantage’ process, where capital shifts productive activity around the globe chasing low wages, poor workplace and environmental protections, and tax advantages.

Advanced nations were not built on free trade. They developed into rich nations through the use of industrial protection and government controls and supports.

Ha-Joon Chang (2007) rejects the ‘free market’ explanation for Korean development.

He writes (2007: xx-xxi):

"This neo-liberal establishment would have us believe that, during its miracle years between the 1960s and the 1980s, Korea pursued a neo-liberal economic development strategy …

The reality, however, was very different indeed. What Korea actually did during these decades was to nurture certain new industries, selected by the government in consultation with the private sector, through tariff protection, subsidies and other forms of government support (e.g., overseas marketing information services provided by the state export agency) until they ‘grew up’ enough to withstand international competition. The government owned all the banks, so it could direct the life blood of business—credit …

The Korean government also had absolute control over scarce foreign ex- change (violation of foreign exchange controls could be punished with the death penalty). When combined with a carefully designed list of priorities in the use of foreign exchange, it ensured that hard-earned foreign currencies were used for importing vital machinery and industrial inputs. The Korean government heavily controlled foreign investment as well, welcoming it with open arms in certain sectors while shutting it out completely in others, according to the evolving national development plan …

The popular impression of Korea as a free-trade economy was created by its export success. But export success does not require free trade, as Japan and China have also shown. Korean exports in the earlier period – things like simple garments and cheap electronics—were all means to earn the hard currencies needed to pay for the advanced technologies and expensive machines that were necessary for the new, more difficult industries, which were protected through tariffs and subsidies. At the same time, tariff protection and subsidies were not there to shield industries from international competition forever, but to give them the time to absorb new technologies and establish new organizational capabilities until they could compete in the world market.

The Korean economic miracle was the result of a clever and pragmatic mixture of market incentives and state direction".

[Reference: Chang, H-J (2007) The Myth of Free Trade and the Secret History of Capitalism, London, Bloomsbury Press.]

I don't know if Trump will do anything. But if your a pissed off citizen who has seen your living standards and job opportunities decline and the only option is between Clinton (who will continue business as usual) or Trump you're probably inclined to give Clinton the bird and vote Trump. The democrats would've won if they didn't have Clinton. The Democrats actually have some fairly progressive policy, which would benefit a lot of workers, but they failed to sell it. Instead their campaign was all about trying to demonize Trump as the loose cannon, which plays right into the ears of the hardcore Trump supporters and any swinging voters sick of the negativity and business as usual approach.

all that sounds great.. but, these same voters, voted for someone who ships jobs overseas, makes products overseas, fails to pay his labor, scams the hell out of people, rails against free trade but then says he's for free trade, has numerous bankruptcy's, praises foreign dictators, cut taxes on the rich, etc..

IMHO, it really comes down to his underhanded (well not so underhanded) racism and anti-immigration policies.

obviously economic issues are important to these voters, but I think they are voting for his personality and anti-inclusion policies more than his economic/trade policies.. i think basing it on his economic policies (which don't even really exist) are giving these voters way too much credit.

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Re: despair
« Reply #6 on: November 09, 2016, 06:31:03 am »
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it ain't about free trade, mutumbo. a lot of people in trump's base don't even know how many states there are, let alone what nafta is or how it actually affected them. they know they their jobs aren't as good as they used to be, or as their parents' jobs were, but not why.

I guess that's the irony. The Democrats policies would actually help a lot of these people a lot more than the Republicans, yet they chose to vote against their own interests. Maybe they viewed Trump as not being a real Republican since so much of the media/wall street can't stand him. Or maybe I just can't believe that so many people would be as small minded to believe that building a wall and persecuting foreigners (unless they are European like Trump's wife) would somehow improve their lives. I've never been to America so I don't know.

I appreciate the point that society is more important than the economy though. I make an issue with the economy as it's not a healthy one. When you have wealth inequality in the USA at levels not seen since the Great Depression you know something is wrong. If people aren't financially literate (most people aren't) they will look for any explanation to justify why things aren't the same anymore- Disappointingly instead of looking at large multinationals I guess they blame migrants and minorities.


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Re: despair
« Reply #7 on: November 09, 2016, 07:31:36 am »
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« Reply #8 on: November 09, 2016, 08:08:48 am »
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agree 100% with LBSS first post. Not about the electoral college as that is confusing no matter how many times i learn about it.
But the information about trump's business mind would somehow be the best character to be the president of a country, he has no experience of working in a political sector that I know about, someone correct me if im wrong, but it seems the best talker with a lot of money and fame is all that is required to become president.

I watched his victory speech, he didn't know what to say except for the same stuff he's been saying during his campaign and thank a bunch of people  :uhhhfacepalm:.

He is definitely not qualified to be a leader and also a could not disagree more about a state which has become tolerant to race, religion, orientation and ethinicity but voting for this guy shows completely opposite, their inner feelings have comeout through their voting of trump who has outwardly expressed his feeling towards mexicans, women, muslims.

Also his opinion about economy only limited to his business knowledge, which is completely different when dealing with the economy of a country, especially what he said during his speech about the same way he noticed problems with the market he sees same with thing with economy of country lol.

But this has shown the true stance of the american's who voted for him and are not as tolerant as they make out to be.

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« Reply #9 on: November 09, 2016, 08:23:28 am »
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he is also demonstrated again and again that he is a TERRIBLE businessman. so even if that were a good qualification for president, and it isn't, he wouldn't have it.
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sunday: long very easy run 80+ mins @ 5:40+ (14+ km)
monday: strength/cross training
tuesday: easy run 60+ mins @ 5:20-5:30 (11+ km)
wednesday: fartlek (mostly easy pace with mix of strides, hills, long tempo) 45 mins (8+ km)
thursday: easy run 60+ mins @ 5:20-5:30 (11+ km), strength/cross-training
friday: rest
saturday: short tempo 6-8x500 @ sub-4:00 (7 km)

strength would be:
- hops 2x10
- box jumps or ME SVJ 2x5
- squats 3x6-8 or weighted BSS/lunges 3x10/leg
- RDL/hypers 2x10-12 or SLRDL 2x10-12/leg
- upper push myo-reps or sets to technical failure
- upper pull myo-reps or sets to technical failure
- leg raises, holds, pallof presses

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« Reply #10 on: November 09, 2016, 08:35:35 am »
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/\ lol True, just comes on a tv show called apprentice i think it was called and gained fame that way. I think that he more of a shrew clever businessman in making him look like a good businessman.

I also have a feeling that prob the people's feeling towards hilary clinton also played its part in the election there are poeple who in some twisted/unamerican way found trump to be appealing and as a good candidate for president then you also have people who didn't like hilary clinton/ democtratic party she represented because of maybe of not enough was achieved or watever.

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« Reply #11 on: November 11, 2016, 07:26:22 am »
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if any of y'all (non-americans included) want to do something to counteract the tidal wave of awful shit that is coming our way, but you're not quite sure what to do, giving money to organizations that are fighting misogyny and white supremacy is a place to start. here's a list of groups worthy of support: http://jezebel.com/a-list-of-pro-women-pro-immigrant-pro-earth-anti-big-1788752078.
Muscles are nonsensical they have nothing to do with this bullshit.

- Avishek

sunday: long very easy run 80+ mins @ 5:40+ (14+ km)
monday: strength/cross training
tuesday: easy run 60+ mins @ 5:20-5:30 (11+ km)
wednesday: fartlek (mostly easy pace with mix of strides, hills, long tempo) 45 mins (8+ km)
thursday: easy run 60+ mins @ 5:20-5:30 (11+ km), strength/cross-training
friday: rest
saturday: short tempo 6-8x500 @ sub-4:00 (7 km)

strength would be:
- hops 2x10
- box jumps or ME SVJ 2x5
- squats 3x6-8 or weighted BSS/lunges 3x10/leg
- RDL/hypers 2x10-12 or SLRDL 2x10-12/leg
- upper push myo-reps or sets to technical failure
- upper pull myo-reps or sets to technical failure
- leg raises, holds, pallof presses

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« Reply #12 on: November 11, 2016, 08:11:37 am »
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Im only now getting familiarised with this whole mess but it seems more apt to target DNC reform. The good intentions of the democrats are no consolation that they weren't good enough at politics to win the election when the stakes were so high (keeping trump out). It's inexcusable to push for a slightly better world when you risked and it turns out achieved a far worse one.

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Donna Brazile, the interim leader of the Democratic National Committee, was giving what one attendee described as “a rip-roaring speech” to about 150 employees, about the need to have hope for wins going forward, when a staffer identified only as Zach stood up with a question.
“Why should we trust you as chair to lead us through this?” he asked, according to two people in the room. “You backed a flawed candidate, and your friend [former DNC chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz] plotted through this to support your own gain and yourself.”
Some DNC staffers started to boo and some told him to sit down. Brazile began to answer, but Zach had more to say.
“You are part of the problem,” he continued, blaming Brazile for clearing the path for Trump’s victory by siding with Clinton early on. “You and your friends will die of old age and I’m going to die from climate change. You and your friends let this happen, which is going to cut 40 years off my life expectancy.”
Zach gathered his things and began to walk out. When Brazile called after him, asking where he was going, he told her to go outside and “tell people there” why she should be leading the party.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donna-brazile-democratic-national-committee_us_5824cb95e4b0ddd4fe7954e8?f019736x1ofscerk9

and this reddit comment in response to the above article was amazing.
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« Reply #13 on: November 11, 2016, 10:19:26 am »
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Im only now getting familiarised with this whole mess but it seems more apt to target DNC reform. The good intentions of the democrats are no consolation that they weren't good enough at politics to win the election when the stakes were so high (keeping trump out). It's inexcusable to push for a slightly better world when you risked and it turns out achieved a far worse one.

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Donna Brazile, the interim leader of the Democratic National Committee, was giving what one attendee described as “a rip-roaring speech” to about 150 employees, about the need to have hope for wins going forward, when a staffer identified only as Zach stood up with a question.
“Why should we trust you as chair to lead us through this?” he asked, according to two people in the room. “You backed a flawed candidate, and your friend [former DNC chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz] plotted through this to support your own gain and yourself.”
Some DNC staffers started to boo and some told him to sit down. Brazile began to answer, but Zach had more to say.
“You are part of the problem,” he continued, blaming Brazile for clearing the path for Trump’s victory by siding with Clinton early on. “You and your friends will die of old age and I’m going to die from climate change. You and your friends let this happen, which is going to cut 40 years off my life expectancy.”
Zach gathered his things and began to walk out. When Brazile called after him, asking where he was going, he told her to go outside and “tell people there” why she should be leading the party.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donna-brazile-democratic-national-committee_us_5824cb95e4b0ddd4fe7954e8?f019736x1ofscerk9

and this reddit comment in response to the above article was amazing.

This is just my observation from Australia. The Labor Party (Democrat version for Australia) has completely lost their roots.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_Labor_Party

Labor is a party who formerly represented the interests of workers and who are now dominated by career politicians who have embraced neoliberalism sine the 1980's. Policy wise they are pretty much chalk and cheese with the Liberal Party (ironically called the Liberal party despite being a conservative party akin to the Republicans). Both parties essentially believe that full employment occurs when the economy is at 5% unemployment and chose inflation over employment. If unemployment was ever to fall much below 5 per cent, the Reserve Bank of Australia (RBA) would quickly increase interest rates to push unemployment back up towards 5 per cent as the unemployed are used as the human ammunition that the RBA keeps ready to deploy against the inflation bogy. Yet at the same time both major parties presides over a system that denies dignity to unemployed workers who struggle to survive on a government pittance that is designed to punish and shame.Of course the Labor Party never really fights much for the minimum wage to be increased either because that would be 'bad for business'. So with the economy they are exactly the same as the Liberals.They also run a population ponzi scheme, just as the Liberals do and howl down anybody who dares to question it as being xenophobic or racist. How dare people question foreign investment or prevent the Chinese from buying up our ports and essential services!!!

If you were a casual observer of Australian politics you would think that the most pressing issues for Labor were same sex marriage, climate change and refugees. All of these are issues, but they are not  the everyday concerns of Australians. The everyday issues like the privatisation of public assets, chipping away of Medicare services, longer and longer hospital queues, attacks on unemployment benefits, poorly resourced and overcrowded public schools, and a tertiary education system that is now failing to transition people from study into employment (whilst also setting you back tens of thousands of dollars in debt- my current HELP debt is 43.5k!)  Then there’s the astronomical price of housing and council rates, electricity, water bills etc. that are increasing a lot faster than wages!!! Yet the Labor Party doesn't give attention to any of these issues- they are too busy rambling on about 18C and plebiscites and other shit that doesn't affect people's daily lives as much as being able to sustain their standard of living.

Edit- Apart from my long rant my point is that if the Democrats in America are anywhere near as complicit in policies as the Australian Labor Party is than it's easy to see why people would swing against them or just not bother showing up to vote.
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Re: despair
« Reply #14 on: November 11, 2016, 10:30:20 am »
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that's actually a pretty crazy quote:

"You and your friends will die of old age and I’m going to die from climate change"