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They clearly don't have enough evidence to refute his self defense claim, so they have no right to arrest and charge him with anything. They are only doing this because of the bad press, which is a joke and an insult to our justice system.

I blame the media. They've made up so many lies to try and make Zimmerman look guilty, saying Travyon Martin was going to the store to get skittles during halftime of the nba allstar game, even though the 9-11 call was made before the game even started. They also said Trayvon was suspended from school for trespassing (which his father also lied about to make him look like an innocent kid), when it really had to do with the sale of marijuana.  They only show 5 year old pictures of Trayvon to make him look like a sweet little kid. All of this started a huge backlash.

Not saying Zimmerman is innocent, because I have no idea; I just don't think they have enough evidence to charge him. And now, there's no way he'll get a fair trial because he's already presumed guilty because of the media.
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Re: George Zimmerman being arrested is a disgrace to the justice system.
« Reply #1 on: April 12, 2012, 10:41:57 am »
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fuck you jc, get out of here with that bullshit. they have the fact that he shot an unarmed person after following the unarmed person around, calling the police, being told to stop following the unarmed person, continuing to follow the unarmed person, confronting the unarmed person, and (probably) getting into a fight with the unarmed person.

if i carry a gun up to you, start shouting at you about what are you doing here, start hitting you, then you hit me back, then i shoot you, i shouldn't be arrested?

what the fuck are you talking about.
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Re: George Zimmerman being arrested is a disgrace to the justice system.
« Reply #2 on: April 12, 2012, 10:52:10 am »
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fuck you jc, get out of here with that bullshit. they have the fact that he shot an unarmed person after following the unarmed person around, calling the police, being told to stop following the unarmed person, continuing to follow the unarmed person, confronting the unarmed person, and (probably) getting into a fight with the unarmed person.

if i carry a gun up to you, start shouting at you about what are you doing here, start hitting you, then you hit me back, then i shoot you, i shouldn't be arrested?

what the fuck are you talking about.

The police telling him to stop following him is just a suggestion for his own safety. Zimmerman does not have to follow that and is not breaking any laws by not following that.

Him being unarmed is irrelevant. You still have the right to defend yourself if I'm beating you up with my fists. Let's look at the Florida Stand Your Ground Law

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great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the imminent commission of a forcible felony; or
(2)?Under those circumstances permitted pursuant to s. 776.013.

Great bodily harm can be done without a weapon, so when you keep hearing this "unarmed black teen" crap, you can see how biased it is.



Even if Zimmerman started the fight, which we have no proof of

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You have no proof that Zimmerman didn't withdraw from physical contact but Trayvon kept fighting. Zimmerman also could not be sure if Trayvon was carrying a gun or knife, but that is not relevant per the law.


You continually saying unarmed shows up influenced you are by the bullshit media instead of actually looking at the facts.

« Last Edit: April 12, 2012, 10:54:26 am by TheSituation »
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Re: George Zimmerman being arrested is a disgrace to the justice system.
« Reply #3 on: April 12, 2012, 10:55:12 am »
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I dont have a clue about this case but proofs for an arrest? arrested =/= convicted
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Re: George Zimmerman being arrested is a disgrace to the justice system.
« Reply #4 on: April 12, 2012, 11:00:35 am »
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I dont have a clue about this case but proofs for an arrest? arrested =/= convicted


 You need sufficient evidence to arrest someone and charge them with 2nd degree murder

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(2)?A law enforcement agency may use standard procedures for investigating the use of force as described in subsection (1), but the agency may not arrest the person for using force unless it determines that there is probable cause that the force that was used was unlawful.
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Re: George Zimmerman being arrested is a disgrace to the justice system.
« Reply #5 on: April 20, 2012, 11:28:12 am »
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Re: George Zimmerman being arrested is a disgrace to the justice system.
« Reply #6 on: April 20, 2012, 12:44:34 pm »
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Comon, there is clearly probable cause to arrest this guy.  The reason there is so much backlash right now in the media is because they didn't do so in the first place.  There is no question that the media has spun this story and hyped the racial component to the point that the Florida police have no choice but to make an arrest to save face, but I don't think we can ignore the role that race played when Zimmerman was let off in the first place.  Certain areas of Florida can be extremely prejudiced.

IMO, if this were an act committed with no racial component, it would be completely appropriate for the police to have cause for arrest, if only due to the fact that an armed man was following an unarmed man.  Listening to those 911 calls, Zimmerman was clearly pissed off, and its not impossible that his emotions played a major role.  And it doesn't matter who started the altercation for there to be probable cause for arrest.  Also, an arrest doesn't preclude one's ultimate innocence.  We have the best criminal justice system in the world.

On a side note, I don't think the media's attention to this issue is all together bad.  The "stand your ground" law is very controversial, and as this case is proving, difficult to interpret.  Philadelphia has a law on the books called "The Castle law" in which a homeowner has the right to use deadly force on a home invader.  This has been in the news recently because the right wing contingent is lobbying to extend castle law to the entire property.  This proposition is viewed by many as a slippery slope, where it becomes difficult to interpret the law due to the subjective nature of deciding when somebody has acted with an appropriate use of force in a given situation, and also begins to include potential bystanders in an event.   

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Re: George Zimmerman being arrested is a disgrace to the justice system.
« Reply #7 on: April 20, 2012, 01:27:34 pm »
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1. Armed or unarmed doesn't matter. Read the law
2. Look at Zimmerman's head. You think Trayvon couldn't commit great bodily harm which would allow Zimmerman to use deadly force? Doesn't matter who the aggressor is. Read the law.
3. If Trayvon Martin was white nobody would care
4. The tapes you have heard on TV are supposed to make Zimmerman look guilty so they have a story to sell you. That's why the one news channel edited the tapes (which people got fired for).

It doesn't matter how controversial the law is or if it should even exist in the first place. It does exist, so they must follow it, and they are not. Hopefully this charge gets dropped immediately unless the prosecution has evidence that hasn't been released yet, which I doubt.
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Re: George Zimmerman being arrested is a disgrace to the justice system.
« Reply #8 on: April 21, 2012, 12:48:29 pm »
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To be fair, it's very easy to bleed from your head. Especially if you're bald. The skin is very easily split open.

I got elbowed in the head playing basketball and somehow bled like a bitch. An elbow! I was on the floor holding my head in pain from the blunt hit, and the people around me thought I was holding it for getting cut. I didn't even know I got cut lol.




And yes, screw the media. Can't stand when they sensationalize this white on black violence crap. Notice how they constantly refer to Trayvon Martin by his first name and George Zimmerman by his last name?

Trayvon = black name... yea let's call him that.
Martin = whiteish name... don't call him that.

George = white or hispanice... maybe we could use it...
zimmerman = ah, perfect fit.
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Re: George Zimmerman being arrested is a disgrace to the justice system.
« Reply #9 on: April 21, 2012, 03:00:08 pm »
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i had to get stitches 2 times, from head collisions in basketball.. my head gushed blood like a faucet, all over the place, but my actual head didn't look like it had blood "everywhere on it", instead, the ground and shirts were full of blood. all of these arm-chair blood splatter analysts are driving me nuts.. it's funny as hell, they remind me of zimmerman.. people acting like they are CSI, yet they are just noobs who watch alot of tv.. very similar to zimmerman, who was acting like a law enforcement officer supposedly.

the media is definitely out of control in this country.. nobody has any idea what really happened in that case. all of these irresponsible politicians/activists calling it a hate crime, media pundits blowing the whole thing out of proportion on both sides, it's astonishing..

my take on it is this: zimmerman definitely overstepped his bounds by confronting this teenager, even after he was told to stand down.. he had no business being anywhere near him.. for that act alone, some form of manslaughter charge applies.. but murder? for that charge we'll have to see alot more evidence and let it play out in court..

apparently that prosecuter is charging a 12 year old with murder, saw some short doc on it.. she might be a little nutty.

this whole case is wrecked though.. the whole "white on black crime has to stop" shit is bugging me beyond belief.. the stats tell a different story.. also, police profiling/brutality happens on both sides, it's not restricted to the black community.

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« Reply #10 on: April 21, 2012, 03:03:40 pm »
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btw im all for the stand your ground law.. i don't even understand how this case applies? if you go out 'looking for trouble', it doesn't apply.. it's the fault of a prosectuer/police department if they apply the law improperly.

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Re: George Zimmerman being arrested is a disgrace to the justice system.
« Reply #11 on: April 21, 2012, 03:09:19 pm »
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lmfao @ the actual topic of this thread, just noticed it.

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Re: George Zimmerman being arrested is a disgrace to the justice system.
« Reply #12 on: April 21, 2012, 04:18:17 pm »
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btw im all for the stand your ground law.. i don't even understand how this case applies? if you go out 'looking for trouble', it doesn't apply.. it's the fault of a prosectuer/police department if they apply the law improperly.

i am glad that in forida, if someone is trying to kill me, i can whip out rambo and get surgical, have the cops arrive/take me in, then go home that night, go back to IRC and watch bad boys 2.

The thing is, it does apply even if Zimmerman was out "looking for trouble". I quoted that part of the law in my 2nd post in this thread. That's why its a disgrace. Police telling him to stop is irrelevant because by law he does not have to follow that.
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Re: George Zimmerman being arrested is a disgrace to the justice system.
« Reply #13 on: April 21, 2012, 05:30:56 pm »
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btw im all for the stand your ground law.. i don't even understand how this case applies? if you go out 'looking for trouble', it doesn't apply.. it's the fault of a prosectuer/police department if they apply the law improperly.

i am glad that in forida, if someone is trying to kill me, i can whip out rambo and get surgical, have the cops arrive/take me in, then go home that night, go back to IRC and watch bad boys 2.

The thing is, it does apply even if Zimmerman was out "looking for trouble". I quoted that part of the law in my 2nd post in this thread. That's why its a disgrace. Police telling him to stop is irrelevant because by law he does not have to follow that.

i'm sure a court could argue that it doesn't apply because zimmerman may have been committing a crime; stalking +  attempting to detain someone illegally.. stuff like that.. we don't know what happened at the point where it turned into a fight.. if you side with treyvon, then zimmerman allegedly assaulted martin initially, after he had been following him, then martin responded and they got into that brawl, in which zimmerman pulled out his gun and killed him..

so i don't think it's as clear as you're making it out to be.. zimmerman was in the process of committing multiple 'crimes', how serious they were im unsure, or if they could even be classified as felonies.. im sure though, trying to detain someone without 'just cause' is some sort of felony.

we are also unsure of whether zimmerman truly tried to "get away from the physical conflict".. we know for a fact martin did, and that zimmerman pursued, but we do not know if zimmerman was the one on top beating him, or the one on the bottom, their are conflicting eye witness reports..

so because of those issues, i don't understand why you would think him being arrested is a travesty of justice..

their should have been a much more thorough investigation at the time of the incident, which their doesn't appear to be.. so if zimmerman walks, it doesn't necessarily mean he zimmerman is innocent -> the police wrecked this case and i don't see how he will be convicted of anything other than some minor offense.

anyway, im sure lawyers/prosecutors could argue successfully that zimmerman commited crimes prior to the shooting and/or didn't try hard enough to get away from the assault once it happened... that is, if their was a better investigation initially.

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Re: George Zimmerman being arrested is a disgrace to the justice system.
« Reply #14 on: April 21, 2012, 06:01:28 pm »
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  I dont think there are conflicting eye witness accounts of who was on top of who... as far as I have heard there is one eyewitness, who said he saw George on the ground getting punched, screaming "please help me", and when he went upstairs and called 911, he heard the gun shot and George was standing up.  There is a female claiming that the screams of "help" sounded like a childs voice,  but as far as eye witnesses I have only heard of the one.
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