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Guns in America
« on: January 17, 2013, 12:33:50 am »
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Outsiders looking in must really think Americans are "beyond fucktarded".

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<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SJJ25INpww" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SJJ25INpww</a>

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Re: Guns in America
« Reply #1 on: January 17, 2013, 09:17:15 am »
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lmfao. Is this how people come to logic.

One thing she said that because it doesn't in the second ammendment that you can get anything that falls under firearms according to what they think falls under firearms category,

i laughed when she said tank was allowed just because it doesn't you are not allowed and dumbest thing is that when he said where in the second ammendment does it say you are allowed to have a tank and she the important thing where does it say you can't

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Re: Guns in America
« Reply #2 on: January 17, 2013, 10:31:14 am »
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Most of the constitution is up to interpretation, thats how the founding fathers wanted it to be so that the country could progress IMO. It is, however, pretty well known what the actual purpose of the second amendment was and still is: its to protect the citizens from a tyrannical goverment. A government should be scared of the people not vice versa. I could go on and on but I won't unless someone asks or wishes to discuss it. I will however leave this quote:

'After a shooting spree, they always want to take the guns away from the ones who didn't do it'

-William Burroughs
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Re: Guns in America
« Reply #3 on: January 17, 2013, 12:33:31 pm »
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Most of the constitution is up to interpretation, thats how the founding fathers wanted it to be so that the country could progress IMO. It is, however, pretty well known what the actual purpose of the second amendment was and still is: its to protect the citizens from a tyrannical goverment. A government should be scared of the people not vice versa. I could go on and on but I won't unless someone asks or wishes to discuss it. I will however leave this quote:

But our founding father's existed in a world where a well equipped militia could defend themselves against the government. Do you think the government is afraid of the people because of voting power or guns? I'm taking right now... Do you think in our current environment, that the United States military would be afraid of it's citizens because of their AR-15 + handgun + hunting rifle power?

I think the idea of the citizens being able to protect themselves from a deranged tyrannical government are long past. It's also a "false fear". Our country has way too many checks and balances for their to be some kind of extreme martial law government crackdown. This is because, the same people who might support your opinion, make up a percentage of our military. It's normal citizens who make up the military. Even though we may disagree on a variety of issues, we for the most part don't agree that we should be killing each other in order to get our way.

The bottom line is that citizens, no matter what type of gun they possess, are not going to be able to protect themselves against the United States military. So unless you start creating channels of access to tanks, war fighters, automatic weapons, bombs, drones, aircraft carriers, submarines, etc, to normal "patriotic american citizens", there's absolutely no point in bringing this up as an argument, imo.

As for the government being afraid of the people and not vice versa, well, that is easy if citizens become more engaged in the political process. Votes & voices are more powerful than politicians...... and that's what we're seeing her. We're seeing a majority of citizens wanting tighter restrictions on certain types of weapons, clips/magazines, background checks, and mental health issues. So the political process is working, though one "side" may not enjoy it, especially gun stores & the NRA.



So regarding the videos in the OP, Do you think citizens should be allowed any type of weaponry to protect themselves from the government?


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'After a shooting spree, they always want to take the guns away from the ones who didn't do it'

-William Burroughs

Do they though? I havn't heard anything about taking people's guns away, only restricting access to "assault weapons", improved mental health reporting, high capacity magazines/clips, and mandatory background checks on every single gun purchase/transaction.

The vast majority of guns don't meet the requirements of those they wish to ban...

Secondly, it's not just shooting sprees. Shooting sprees are what get more "parents & people involved", because so many are effected. This gun legislation is aimed at reducing gun violence entirely.

Not sure about every fact in this poster but i'm pretty sure it's mostly accurate:




People seem to care much more about assault weapons than they do about the patriot act, which is much more of a violation of civil liberties.





Also, i know it's wikipedia, but:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence


The numbers tell the story. As a whole, America is wrecked the gun violence.

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Re: Guns in America
« Reply #4 on: January 17, 2013, 02:03:34 pm »
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First off, let me say I COMPLETELY agree with the stricter background checks amd mental health issues/problems. Also I do agree that we do have the necessary checks and balances to avoid a quick martial government crackdown but thats not what worries me, its the starting point of something larger IMO. First you limit clip/mag size and certain types of rifles but what happens when another incident occurs? What do they take away next? How long until my home and family is indefensible against common criminals? To me this is a slippery slope and I see far too many similarities to other times in history.

The shooting sprees do get parents and others involved that normally would have very little or nothing to say in the matter, but they sometimes respond emotionally (not that I blame them) instead of rationally. For instance, the number of handgun deaths vs rifle deaths in the US last year was staggering yet this new legislation is targeting large clip 'assault' rifles only. Why not legislate away the more predominant 'killer', the handgun?

In regards to the military vs citizen scenario, you're completely right, we don't stand a chance on paper. But neither did the colonies and look what happened. Further restricting the citizens ability to fight back if needed just doesn't seem like a smart move. Why handicap even more IF something does happen?

The poster....well I as well am not 100% sure of those statistics I do know thay Chicago and DC have very strict gun laws in place yet have two of the highest murder rates per capita. Those numbers SEEM staggering but look at a few of them: 270 million guns in the US, 31k deaths by guns in the US, 18k by suicide, 11k by homicide. This may be crass but I don't count the suicides, if you want to kill yourself thats your problem because you arent killing others. So 270 million guns killed 11k people. So .00004% of the US total guns killed someone last year (if my math is right lol). To me thats a very small percentage and I don't think banning a certain type of gun or size magazine is going to affect that. What WILL is, like you said, better more enforced background checks, mental health checks, harsher penalties for guns sold in the grey area to non qualified individuals (like at gun shows
or private sales which have been proven to be where most crimimals get their guns)
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Re: Guns in America
« Reply #5 on: January 17, 2013, 02:10:51 pm »
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And fuck my phone for any weird ass spellings and cutting that off lol!

My point was I personally dont believe banning 'assault' STYLE weapons will help any.


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Re: Guns in America
« Reply #6 on: January 17, 2013, 02:33:17 pm »
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You people should be more afraid of all those money in politics... those politicians are 100% bought by whoever has more money, and they represent that person (read: corporations) point of views. Simple. That's what's wrong with the USA. Nobody cares about the "people" yet some people here still think this "army will come over them to create a despotic armed government". Talk about paranoia.

That is going to happen, and has already happened, through economics. There's no need to use weapons, guns etc when you have economics and money power. Cleaner and more efficient.

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Re: Guns in America
« Reply #7 on: January 17, 2013, 02:38:55 pm »
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Sadly, Raptor, I agree. This country is no longer a country by the people and for the people. Politicians have completely lost touch with the average American IMO.
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Re: Guns in America
« Reply #8 on: January 25, 2013, 12:43:21 am »
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newt gingrich is a decent debater, but man he gets destroyed in this interview..

his logic is WRECKED... piers morgan just wipes the floor with him.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8cGMAapa-m4" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8cGMAapa-m4</a>

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Re: Guns in America
« Reply #9 on: January 25, 2013, 12:54:54 am »
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LOOK AT THESE FOOLS.

The "ar15 girls" on piers morgan, again, getting destroyed like any of his "pro 2nd amendment" guests. How does this not make gun owners vomit?

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26jdJHrQO6w" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26jdJHrQO6w</a>

If our "founding father's" saw this youtube clip they'd dowse the constitution in ether and drop a lit pipe on it.

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Re: Guns in America
« Reply #10 on: February 01, 2013, 02:41:47 am »
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republican talking points spread so fast.. now all i hear from them is how "mom's have the right to protect themselves with AR-15's".

I didn't know mom's were out there each day fending off 5 attackers with an AR-15. You learn something new every day.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mk0P_Pt3dww" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mk0P_Pt3dww</a>

Gayle Trotter, explaining to us why women need AR-15's. She uses a nice story about Sarah McKinnley (sp?) defending herself against two attackers. However, Sarah apparently defended herself with a shotgun & handgun.

So she's there to promote assault style weapons among soccer mom's, uses a case where a woman used a shotgun/handgun, the actual lady (Sarah) claims she has no use for an AR-15 and doesn't own one, then to top it off, Gayle Trotter didn't even know what weapon Sarah used to defend herself.

mindblown.

REPUBLICANS R IZ DUM.

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Re: Guns in America
« Reply #11 on: December 05, 2015, 09:41:07 pm »
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an old thread.. we've been talking about america's gun violence for a long time.

http://www.gunviolencearchive.org/

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Re: Guns in America
« Reply #12 on: June 12, 2016, 11:27:33 am »
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woke up, turned on the news, and saw the headline of 50 dead in mass shooting at night club.

https://www.rt.com/usa/346324-orlando-nightclub-shooter-identified/

man that is crazy.. :(

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Re: Guns in America
« Reply #13 on: June 12, 2016, 12:07:28 pm »
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woke up, turned on the news, and saw the headline of 50 dead in mass shooting at night club.

https://www.rt.com/usa/346324-orlando-nightclub-shooter-identified/

man that is crazy.. :(

could be a hostage rescue gone bad too. 50 dead and 50+ injured from one gunman.
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Re: Guns in America
« Reply #14 on: June 12, 2016, 12:46:49 pm »
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it should be illegal to own an assault rifle or handgun as a private individual. period.

find another way to get your rocks off, it's not fucking worth it. they endanger everyone, including delusional owners who think having a weapon designed to kill humans makes it less likely that a human will be killed near them. insane.
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