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Re: Guns in America
« Reply #15 on: June 14, 2016, 05:43:17 pm »
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LOOK AT THESE FOOLS.

The "ar15 girls" on piers morgan, again, getting destroyed like any of his "pro 2nd amendment" guests. How does this not make gun owners vomit?

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26jdJHrQO6w" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26jdJHrQO6w</a>

If our "founding father's" saw this youtube clip they'd dowse the constitution in ether and drop a lit pipe on it.

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Did anyone mention that this fucking guy was was on the FBI's radar twice and they did nothing, he went to syria I believe a few times, co-workers said he was racist and said he was going to kill everyone, his Imam was recruiting people idk if it was specifically for ISIS but for terrorist stuff, the Imams all over(including the one he went to) saying that gays needed to be killed so they could be forgiven?  If the FBI kept him on a watch list and ACTUALLY FUCKING WATCHED HIM he wouldn't have been able to buy the fucking guns.  Condemning people like myself because I own both is absolutely fucking ridiculous, I keep mine locked up, I know how to properly use it, I don't illegally carry it, I don't get fucking hammered and use it, I'm a responsible gun owner.  Blame these fucking cock suckers who are trying their absolute hardest to please Allah with their hatred for gays and women that they are willing to shoot and throw gays off of rooftops for simply being gay and also supporting a ridiculous rape culture for their women.

If you want the background checks to work THEN INCLUDE IMPORTANT SHIT LIKE THIS PERSON WAS INVESTIGATED 2-3 TIMES BY THE FUCKING FBI INTO THE BACKGROUND!  Maybe if they did that, they could put a hold on the purchase and go through the chain of command such as sheriffs, troopers FBI whatever and have them make a judgement call.

Btw, another Hadji killed a cop in his own in front of his wife and toddler with a knife, raped and killed his wife and then the details just end there.  What about in the 80s I think it was when idk how many it was but it was probably near 40 that died when someone set the club on fire? 

I'm done, just absolutely sick of people blaming the tool and not the person.
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« Reply #16 on: June 14, 2016, 07:18:22 pm »
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couple things:

1. you're not exactly a feminist or an LGBTQ ally, from what you post on here, so don't blame devotion to any particular god for that hatred. obviously, most people don't take is as far as this motherfucker did, but that doesn't mean that he did what he did in a vacuum. radical islam has abhorrent ideas about homosexuality. so does fundamentalist christianity, and fundamentalist judaism for that matter. no one is arguing otherwise. but what you post about trans people, for example, is also offensive and wrong. same goes for the way you talk about muslims ("Hadji"? seriously? gtfo). and your views are just a milder part of the oppressive culture of which ISIS and the lunatics in Uganda are an extreme manifestation. i wish that you would try to be less hateful of people who are not like you.

2. the tool in this case is a tool that was DESIGNED TO KILL AS MANY HUMAN BEINGS AS POSSIBLE AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE. that is its entire and only purpose. it's not a fucking frying pan. you can't grate cheese with it or clean your clothes with it. it's a gun. so you know what, you're right, we shouldn't blame the tool, we should credit the tool. i certainly give all due credit to the axe after i'm done splitting wood. couldn't do that with my bare hands, or a toilet plunger. mateen's guns worked great! they did just what they were supposed to do!

if you like owning guns and you're responsible and just like to look at them and shoot them at inanimate objects, well, okay. while i actually don't think you or pretty much anyone should be allowed to own a handgun or assault rifle at all, i recognize that that ship has sailed and no one is coming for your guns. but the idea that any limits on gun ownership are a violation of the constitution and of your rights is completely indefensible from a legal, public health, or personal safety perspective. you are safer without a gun and so is everyone around you.

having a gun is not a sufficient condition to kill 50 people. but having a gun makes it exponentially easier to kill 50 people if that's what you want to do. 99.999% of gun owners do not kill anyone. but the overwhelming majority of people who die from gunshot wounds in this country WOULD NOT BE DEAD if they had not been near a gun.
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Re: Guns in America
« Reply #17 on: July 15, 2016, 04:53:40 pm »
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I saw the cell phone footage a week ago or so, but man the body cam footage is BAD.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uo0vGS3TYVM" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uo0vGS3TYVM</a>

Obviously this dude shouldn't have been testing the cops.. but, after he's been shot twice, lying on the ground, how anyone can justify those next two shots is beyond me.

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« Reply #18 on: July 15, 2016, 07:45:31 pm »
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I saw the cell phone footage a week ago or so, but man the body cam footage is BAD.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uo0vGS3TYVM" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uo0vGS3TYVM</a>

Obviously this dude shouldn't have been testing the cops.. but, after he's been shot twice, lying on the ground, how anyone can justify those next two shots is beyond me.

Greatly articulated by the presenter. The next 2 shots are completely unjustified. They can clearly see he's got nothing in his hands. He's lying on his back and he's just been shot twice. There's half a dozen police around and not one of them bothers to step close and take control of the situation.

As the presenter said the training of police has to change and instead of there being 'a potential threat or a perceived threat' there needs to be an actual threat.
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« Reply #19 on: January 08, 2017, 01:09:50 pm »
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http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-38365729

They make it seem like a utopian novel from a US perspective. Crazy what societies can achieve with a common goal.
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Re: Guns in America
« Reply #20 on: January 08, 2017, 04:35:54 pm »
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http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-38365729

They make it seem like a utopian novel from a US perspective. Crazy what societies can achieve with a common goal.

Nice! But there's no way something like that could happen in the US, not in the next 200 years at least. The US is full of idiots and political parties who exploit those idiots for votes; one of the defining issues being guns. There's also a belief in the US that guns are almost biblical.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rr3yR4XiQMk" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rr3yR4XiQMk</a>

No idea of the actual message of that song, but America is just incredibly divided.

Anti-gun control folks see it completely opposite of "us". They don't care about the data or facts. They'll always pointed to states that have heavy gun control, like chicago, and say SEE! Or they will point to terror attacks in France and say "see! sitting ducks". They see MORE guns as a way to reduce gun crime. The more "good people there are carrying guns", the less chance these massacres and gun crime events will happen, because "the only thing that defeats a bad guy with a gun, is a good guy with a gun". There's just no hope, especially considering you can't even get bi-partisan agreement on the fact that "people on the terror watch list" shouldn't be allowed to purchase guns. The 2nd amendment, no matter how short sighted or deprecated it is, is absolutely biblical in the US.

I'm sure after the recent airport shooting in Fort Lauderdale Airport (like 15 minutes from me on the highway), lots of people are saying: "But if those people in the airport were allowed to carry weapons..", "But if people were allowed to carry weapons on planes..".

The US exports violence & grows it organically, crime & gun violence are a large part of our culture.

The US is batshit. If we addressed education, the drug war, the prison industrial complex, gridlock politics, taking money out of politics, and ceasing bombing the fuck out of other countries, I think it'd be a better first step in curbing gun violence.

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« Reply #21 on: February 05, 2017, 03:31:51 pm »
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absolutely nuts.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6kM-6KbtZY" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6kM-6KbtZY</a>

who are these disgusting robots?

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« Reply #22 on: October 02, 2017, 05:21:06 am »
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Terrible news coming out of Las Vegas- There has been another mass shooting .

+More than 20 people dead, more than 100 others are injured.
+Gunman has been shot dead and identified as a local resident.
+Incident has been declared a 'lone-wolf' attack.
+Police hunting female accomplice named as Mari Lou Danley.
+Several off-duty police officers are believed to be among the dead
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« Reply #23 on: October 02, 2017, 06:55:00 am »
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Update-
Death toll rises to 50 with 200+ injured

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2017/oct/02/las-vegas-two-dead-in-mandalay-bay-casino-shooting-latest-updates

The death toll of at least 50 people killed makes this the deadliest mass shooting in US history. It surpasses the Orlando shooting at the Pulse nightclub in June 2016 when 49 people were killed.
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« Reply #24 on: October 02, 2017, 10:18:55 am »
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makes me sick to my stomach. heart's out to the families of everyone who this asshole murdered.

fuck the NRA.
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« Reply #25 on: October 02, 2017, 10:20:40 am »
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just seeing the news coverage now and a few videos on liveleak.. absolutely insane :/

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« Reply #26 on: October 02, 2017, 09:00:04 pm »
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someone (a performer at the concert) changed their mind on gun control.. the interesting part to me is "we had guns but we couldn't even touch them for fear of being shot by the police", duh.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/arts-and-entertainment/wp/2017/10/02/i-cannot-express-how-wrong-i-was-country-guitarist-changes-mind-on-gun-control-after-vegas/?utm_term=.3dbe2011d4d8

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“I’ve been a proponent of the 2nd amendment my entire life. Until the events of last night. I cannot express how wrong I was. We actually have members of our crew with [Concealed Handgun Licenses], and legal firearms on the bus,” Keeter wrote. “They were useless.” He continued:

We couldn’t touch them for fear police might think we were part of the massacre and shoot us. A small group (or one man) laid waste to a city with dedicated, fearless police officers desperately trying to help, because of access to an insane amount of fire power.

Enough is enough.

Writing my parents and the love of my life a goodbye last night and a living will because I felt like I wasn’t going to live through the night was enough for me to realize that this is completely and totally out of hand. These rounds were just powerful enough that my crew guys just standing in close proximity of a victim shot by this f—ing coward received shrapnel wounds.

We need gun control RIGHT. NOW. My biggest regret is that I stubbornly didn’t realize it until my brothers on the road and myself were threatened by it. We are unbelievably fortunate to not be among the number of victims killed or seriously wounded by this maniac.

still don't see how improving background checks, not allowing people to sell weapons to whomever, and tougher licensing requirements is anti 2nd amendment.

like LBSS said, fuck the NRA.

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« Reply #27 on: October 02, 2017, 10:24:17 pm »
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just saw this in passing before bed.. 42 guns found at the shooter's home.. wtf? how is that even possible?

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« Reply #28 on: October 02, 2017, 11:10:10 pm »
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reminds me of this: just pure evil.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FcyLRTB9fRY" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FcyLRTB9fRY</a>

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so much guns. so much mental issues. RIP to the victims of another senseless act.


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« Reply #29 on: October 03, 2017, 06:25:55 am »
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someone (a performer at the concert) changed their mind on gun control.. the interesting part to me is "we had guns but we couldn't even touch them for fear of being shot by the police", duh.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/arts-and-entertainment/wp/2017/10/02/i-cannot-express-how-wrong-i-was-country-guitarist-changes-mind-on-gun-control-after-vegas/?utm_term=.3dbe2011d4d8

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“I’ve been a proponent of the 2nd amendment my entire life. Until the events of last night. I cannot express how wrong I was. We actually have members of our crew with [Concealed Handgun Licenses], and legal firearms on the bus,” Keeter wrote. “They were useless.” He continued:

We couldn’t touch them for fear police might think we were part of the massacre and shoot us. A small group (or one man) laid waste to a city with dedicated, fearless police officers desperately trying to help, because of access to an insane amount of fire power.

Enough is enough.

Writing my parents and the love of my life a goodbye last night and a living will because I felt like I wasn’t going to live through the night was enough for me to realize that this is completely and totally out of hand. These rounds were just powerful enough that my crew guys just standing in close proximity of a victim shot by this f—ing coward received shrapnel wounds.

We need gun control RIGHT. NOW. My biggest regret is that I stubbornly didn’t realize it until my brothers on the road and myself were threatened by it. We are unbelievably fortunate to not be among the number of victims killed or seriously wounded by this maniac.

still don't see how improving background checks, not allowing people to sell weapons to whomever, and tougher licensing requirements is anti 2nd amendment.

like LBSS said, fuck the NRA.

It takes guts to admit that. I would never wish events like these on anyone but if there is one silver lining hopefully it convinces more and more people to change their minds/beliefs about the 2nd amendment and gun control in general. Obviously with millions of guns circulating throughout the USA it's a challenging task but it's something that needs to be done. How somebody can smuggle machine guns and high powered firearms into a hotel is beyond me!
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