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Pics, Videos, & Links / Re: Extreme Isometrics PodCast
« on: October 02, 2009, 10:50:20 am »
Alex,

During the wall squat, it's normal to slowly slip down the wall correct? I tried them out and found that I'm pulling my hips away from the wall. I think this happens when my glutes disengage, but I'm not sure. Have you had this happen with any of your athletes?

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Pics, Videos, & Links / Re: Extreme Isometrics PodCast
« on: October 01, 2009, 04:46:46 pm »
Sjl,

Are you doing a full 5 mins before practice and after practice? Or is the one prior to practice shorter and the one after the full 5 mins?

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6% DO = 2-3 reps?? I dont follow that math at all. One rep is already 9% DO if 11 reps was the initial.


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You could also couple the depth drops with another movement like a vertical jump or a squat or sprint. I usually drop off based on execution. I predominatly use split squat. They goal is to land perfectly balanced everytime in the proper position. For me it's always the balance that goes first. When I land and waver..even the slightest bit, I know I'm done. I NEVER go to the point where my legs feel like jello. I choose to err on the side of undertrained.

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Some would say that there is a core issue there or some imbalance as it looks like Gay has a slight hitch sometimes. But who cares. If it aint broke...

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Article & Video Discussion / Re: Another Interview
« on: June 03, 2009, 04:15:41 pm »
Just read the article and he's still the greatest coach I've never heard of. Jeremy....? I dont see his name in there at all.

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I would have to agree that for conditioining, the 8 min rule is very effective when you have more than 2 exercises. 

This brings up another issue. If we look to optimize CNS recovery and the potentiation affects of depth drops, say in conjuction with a top speed workout, then we are looking at potentially 16mins before hitting depth jumps for a second time. Optimal for potentiation, maybe, but I dont think it's all that practical from a time standpoint; especially in a team environment. I think a 16 min setup may work very well just prior to a championship competition.

That being said, depth jumps also serve as a tool to learn how to manipulate force. If force manipulation and movement efficiency are the goal, then waiting for the full potentiation effects of the depth jumps may not be neccasary. I'm not up on the details, but I would think that the full potentiation effects could be manipulated by changing the variables, like drop height or as in with AMT, the acceleration. If the height of the drop is sub optimal in order to ingrain the movement patterns, then I think you gain some potentiation with also the learning aspect.

And now I forgot where I was going with this.....more to come later, I hope.

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I think I'm going to take this approach with my summer trainees. Less is more. Only focus on what is needed. I think the templates outlined in the inno-sport DVDs tried to tackle too much in one session, which is where I gleaned a lot of information.


RJ,

Any insight on the energy systems and the neccassary times for recovery? From what I've read creatine begins to deplete at about 10s and is gone by 20. However another article claimed that it is gone by 10s. What have you come across in your research?

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Recently I've take a very large interest in energy systems and their role in the setup of my workouts. I've found that I sometimes add too many elements into a work that tap into one or more energy systems, but using the 8min rule(I use 8-10mins depending) I feel that I'm not using my limited amounts of ATP optimally.
An example would be as follows:
1. Single leg RFI hops x 25s          Duration: 25s                                           Alactic bordering lactic
2. Single leg RFI hops x 25s          Duration: 25s                                           Alactic bordering lacticAlactic bordering lactic
3. Drops x5                                Duration: 2-5s (actuall absorb time)            ATP possible into Creatine Phospate by end of set
4. Straight leg bounds 20m           Duration: 3-4s                                         Creatine Phospate
5. flying 20m (20m lead)               Duration: 5s                                           Creatine Phospate

Now If I'm using the 8 min rule I have roughly 96 seconds between exercises (not including work time). Knowing that it takes roughly 15-20s at high intensity to fully deplete creatine stores, then after the bounds and sprints creatine stores are 25-33% depleted. Now take into account that it takes around 8 mins to fully replete creatine stores. So at minimum to start fresh on another rep I need 120-159s to be fully recovered (from an energy standpoint) to perform maximally between the bounds and sprints.

Im barely getting any recovery btw sprints, and if that is my goal then Im shortchanging myself. Add in the fact that for my RFI hops I will be depleting creatine stores before tapping into glucose as an ATP source. So now I have 4 elements in my 8 min cycle that are not being trained optimally.

My thoughts are that this setup has too much crammed into one session. I think that if using the 8 min rule is to be effective, energy demands need to be leveraged against each exercise. So a revamped schedule may look like this:
Workout #1
1. Single leg RFI hops x 25s          Duration: 25s                                           Alactic bordering lactic
2. Single leg RFI hops x 25s          Duration: 25s                                           Alactic bordering lacticAlactic bordering lactic
3. Drops x5                                Duration: 2-5s (actuall absorb time)            ATP possible into Creatine Phospate by end of set
Workout #2
1. Straight leg bounds 20m           Duration: 3-4s                                         Creatine Phospate
2. flying 20m (20m lead)               Duration: 5s                                           Creatine Phospate
3. Drops x5                                Duration: 2-5s (actuall absorb time)            ATP possible into Creatine Phospate by end of set


And within the workouts, it would make sense to alter the rests to optimize ATP replenishment. Longer rests btw two elements with high energy demands and a shorter rest after the drops.

This is obviously only taken from an energy standpoint. I'm not as educated on the rate of CNS fatigue, but I'd imagine it follows closely.

Thoughts?

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Introduce Yourself / Re: Its me
« on: June 02, 2009, 05:23:46 pm »
I don't know about successful, but thanks. Both of my kids were very good the prior year. The boy improved from 19'8 to 21'1" I believe and the girl went from 16'9 to 17'10ish. As proud as I am of those two, Im proudest of my mediocre athlete who's best was 15'10 as a Jr and we got him up to 18'10" by the end of indoors. He PR'd by 6" every meet.

Unfortunately I didnt coach them outdoors so the boy only hit 20'high and the girl only jumped 17'1". Both steadily declined as the season progressed.


I'm here to learn. I'm an engineer by trade and love the science behind the applications. I find RJ's writing to be well though out and well reasearched. He's willing to do the digging that I don't have time to do. Three of those kids I coached indoors signed on with me to train this summer. I'll keep you all updated on their progress.

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Introduce Yourself / Re: Its me
« on: June 02, 2009, 05:16:24 pm »
Thanks! Im very proud of those kids.

As for my college career, I walked onto the team as a 41' triple jumper. Nothing special by any means. I progressively got worse until I tore my hamstring mid freshman year. My first meet back after taking two months off, I PRed to 43'. That's how overtrained I was. Spent the next two years never reaching that mark again. In that time I was plagued with injuries including shin splints, pulled hop flexor, and torn cartilage in both knees. Going into Sr year I was restriced from the traditonal preseason of running stairs for an hour. We also got a jumps coach who focused on quality over quantity. I improved to 45' after spending 2 years not cracking 43' again. Unofficially I jumped 46' in practice. I was strong, had great technique but was slow as sin.

The coach had no idea how to manage the needs of specific events. Preseason was spent running/bounding stairs from 30-60mins nonstop. That was 8 weeks of aerobic development. I can't remember one workout that included more than 45s recovery, most had a jog as recovery.

Secondly, volume was WAY too high. He was proudest of a workout that was 16x200m on an indoor track. Goal time was 32-35s with 1-1:30 rest. A midseason workout once was 3x8x80m all out sprints with a walk back and 5 mins recovery.

Nothing was ever timed or measured so there was no concept of a drop off. We ran till we dropped.

Finally there was no real speed work up until the week of league championships. At that point we would do a workout along the lines of a flying 30 with a 200m walk recovery. So speed was never developed..it was only introduced at the end. That was their idea of peaking.

In that time I saw a lot of good athletes get worse while a very small handfull improved. And the only ones that really improved were the multi-event athletes who were predisposed to have a higher work capacity. Most other people didnt even beat their HS marks until Sr year. Some never even came close.

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Introduce Yourself / Re: Its me
« on: June 02, 2009, 05:00:46 pm »
I still visit from time to time. Im not sure if you are confusing me with the other Joel. Also a former track guy. Im slowman on the db board as well. There was another Joel floating around for a while.

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Introduce Yourself / Its me
« on: June 02, 2009, 03:39:18 pm »
Joel C.
Soon to be 29. Im a former D1 track athlete. I walked onto a team and worked my ass off for 4 years under a moron. Since then I've been doing what most of us have...expanding our knowledge. Im a full time engineer and a part-time coach. I coached the jumps for a HS indoors. My top boy held the best long jump in North New Jersey for a while and my top girl was top 20 in the state. I'm glad to be here where I know a lot of the noise will be drowned out by science.

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