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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #2055 on: August 11, 2014, 12:13:22 am »
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death to the tall. seriously, though, getting up pretty good there, man. looking smooth.
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #2056 on: August 11, 2014, 12:16:43 am »
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Looks v good indeed. A fair bit quicker than what I remember from your last video.
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #2057 on: August 11, 2014, 12:33:22 am »
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No surprise, but you are looking a hell of a lot faster and smoother at this lower BW. Nice!

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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #2058 on: August 11, 2014, 01:48:32 am »
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Why don't you try some deeper plants and see what happens?

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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #2059 on: August 11, 2014, 02:08:07 am »
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death to the tall. seriously, though, getting up pretty good there, man. looking smooth.
Looks v good indeed. A fair bit quicker than what I remember from your last video.
Well done.
No surprise, but you are looking a hell of a lot faster and smoother at this lower BW. Nice!
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Thanks guys. If the last vid was the one where i was outdoors while weighing 96kg then yup. If it was the one from feb when i was around 90kg, then nope, i was a lot smoother/faster there, maybe from movement efficiency from dunking semi regularly. Right now this is the first time i've put on my bbball shoes since like march or something so movement efficiency is not quite there yet. The only reason im looking kinda smooth (compared to when 96kg) is because i'm almost 20kg lighter lol.

Hopefully with another 5-6kg bodyweight drop, practice and movement efficiency and some baseline strength (130kg fs and 140kg bs) i'll improve considerably.

Why don't you try some deeper plants and see what happens?

you mean how much chest dip? i just dont need much right now, the lighter i get, the less dip i need. am not thinking about my form at all while approaching  the rim
« Last Edit: August 11, 2014, 02:22:38 am by entropy »
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #2060 on: August 11, 2014, 04:26:38 am »
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Just try it. Think only one thing "get deeper" and see what happens.

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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #2061 on: August 11, 2014, 09:36:34 am »
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I think you are faster now too. In that 'intermediate' video, IIRC, you were more powerful and you were getting higher too. But now you look so much lighter on your feet, you are bouncing. Ive had it happen to me too, after a small time of cutting ( including jumps practice of course ) you get the best jumps, sudden loss of weight with minimum loss of strength. As the cut continues you get more smooth, light on feet, reactive etc but eventually the jumps suffer because of the strength loss. Could be a personal thing though, cant generalize, just my n=1.
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #2062 on: August 11, 2014, 06:17:25 pm »
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Then try to stay light and jump endlessly. You'd be light and the TUT from the jumps will build 100% specific strength.

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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #2063 on: August 11, 2014, 08:40:18 pm »
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I'm not seeing a vid? :(
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #2064 on: August 11, 2014, 11:27:13 pm »
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Nope vag, i dont feel as i am even close to as fast and powerful like you said in that feb video. It's true that in jan at 96kg bodyweight i was very slow and lumbering, having neither movement efficiency or basic athleticism from being so heavy.   But at 90kg in feb i was quick, explosive and had movement efficiency despite my bodyweight (by the way my lifts were mediocre by then!). Now at 78kg things are a lot easier of course but i still havent got movement efficiency. so will be interesting to see when i can get all the ducks in a row - here are things i can improve on, off the top of my head:

1. low bodyfat (currently still 15% - need to be 10% or less)
2. no movement efficiency (havent been practicing dunking regularly, first time in many months)
3. shoes are size 14 (2 sizes too big, waiting for my eastbay shipment of 12s)
4. weak as fuck (cutting for several months will do that,  need to get my lifts back to a minimum casual/repeatable 130kg/140kg fs/bs warmup)
5. am carb depleted (from keto diet) as well as fasted (daily fastiing of 24hrs in place) - maybe perform better well fed, carbed up

So that's why i'm not too fussed about my current form on the jumping. I can experiment with dipping more etc later on, right not that's not a priority when there are a lot of other things probably more important to focus on first!

Also Raptor, That's not really gonna do all that much tho. Lots of skinny/light guys who never become big powerful leapers by dunking all day as lightweights.  I think you have to treat it as a strength exercise. Put on a weighted vest. Add a kilo or two a week, eat like you're serious about getting strong and see what happens. Do sets of 5-6 with  SVJ and drop step RVJs and focus on being explosive/powerful.

I would love to try this out btw. I imagine when i finish my cut at a lean 72kg/158lb and use a weighted vest to work my way up to dunking at a total weight of 100kg/220lb i'll be a beast at bodyweight dunking. Has anyone actually done this experiment? I'm considering dropping the money on 20-30kg worth of a weighted vest lol.

Chris, i'll have another video up when i reach my next milestone of 77kg/169lb  bodyweight in a coupla days (hopefully before saturday when i finish this cut cycle).
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #2065 on: August 12, 2014, 12:00:12 am »
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I've dunked with a 20-25lb belt on before. I only tried it a handful of times so I can't speak to its long term effectiveness but I will say this:

-at first....it felt like I had 20+lbs hanging off me lol, I couldn't get up nearly as high obviously.
- after 15-20 mins, my body started adjusting and I could dunk again (not as well but hey, what did you expect lol)
- I took it off after a half hour or so and for the next 10-15 mins I was FLYING compared to pre belt.
- after about a half hour tho my body readjusted (or I got tired) and I was right back around pre belt levels.

Thats repeated itself every time ive used it but like I said...its VERY sparingly. Maybe I'll bust it back out soon!
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« Reply #2066 on: August 12, 2014, 12:05:51 am »
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Yeah i dont mean for using it as a potetentiating tool. By the way i wouldnt do what you did, go from weighted to unweighted, that's supposed to be dangerous for tendons. I would train it as a proper 'lift', add weight, program it, etc. And when i've reached my goal (say 5x100kg smooth/powerful dunks) i'd maintain that and just hit that set 1x a week to keep the gains. The idea is to build muscle/strength not to potentiate..

BW: 77.95kg/171.85lb

Training
FBS 2x100
FS 1x112.5, 0Fx119.5
BP 2x80, 0Fx88.5, 3x78.5, 3x77.5, 5x75

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Haven't recovered well from saturday dunk sesh. Regretting that now. Only positive was I managed to avoid re-injuring my back by avoiding heavy backsquats. I thought i got owned by the FS max single but i actually got it up to half-squat depth pretty quickly and easily, just didn't lock it out, though during the rep i felt completely defeated from fried hips. Will give squats another crack next session, decided to end it there to avoid burning out and ruining my chances of a successful 2nd squat session later in the week.

Feeling quite weak. Hopefully that was my last training sesh done fasted/carb depleted/fatigued.  Next training sesh will coincide with a carb reload, which might even mean a poor session actually but subsequent sessions shud be good considering i'll be eating at maintenance calories for bodyweight. 2 days of rest to come and final training sesh of the week on friday, hopefully at a bodyweight ≤ 77kg.
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #2067 on: August 12, 2014, 12:44:43 am »
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Oh yea I understand that, my only concern/question is wouldn't it ALWAYS be a form of potentiation? If you program it like weights it sort of make sense but wouldn't your body adjust back on a day to day basis? You'd only be wearing it for a fraction of time comparatively to your time spent at true BW. The best bet would be to wear it at all times for a few weeks?

Hell idk, with this line of thinking any lifting is just a form of potentiation. :)
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #2068 on: August 12, 2014, 01:04:19 am »
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The idea is to grow muscle and acquire strength, though, not to temporarily  increase performance which happens when you do the exercise. The latter isn't much use but the former will stick around.  You can use that new muscle and strength all the time. 
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #2069 on: August 12, 2014, 01:30:59 am »
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That's true, I guess I'm just doubting the gains versus potential injury. That's like doing plyos with weight. And I don't see why the body won't adjust back quickly after you remove the weight since most of your day you'll be normal weight then for a small period you'll be heavier. Idk, Im probably over thinking :)
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