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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #2175 on: November 21, 2014, 05:37:31 am »
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Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #2176 on: November 21, 2014, 07:24:23 am »
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Zumba actually sounds more appealing right now than anything else :P

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What I was actually trying to get at is you've done the squatting 3 times a week thing. Front and back. Maybe squat once or twice a week. Single leg work still has merits for a double leg jumper and has carry over to bigger lifts. I think you should seriously consider deadlifts. Done correctly and patiently that is. I had serious back issues for around 8-10 years (age 15 to 25). I've been able to pretty much resolve them completely with the use of deadlifts to strengthen my back.   

I srsly wud love to do 1 leg stuff IF I had access to heavy dbs. I actually miss that aspect of training quite a lot having only a barbell. I will try to incoorproate one leg skips again though, i miss doing those and  they prob helped stiffen my legs up a bit earlier this year when i used to do them regularly for a month or two.

i really dont find the deadlift at all appealing on any level.. its just an ego lift in my experience. and i hate it when people show off about their deadlift numbers like it means anything.. i guess im a purist that way, good squats are the only lift i respect and covet. also not sure my body type will benefit from deadlifts since i'm naturally quite good at them, they don't really do much that MY squats dont already do* (probably, if you can think of a benefit let me know?).

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*edit- regarding the jumping thing. I'm very much a single leg jumper but would jump off two 65-75% in games considering the position I played.  Not a lot of room to take steps in a key full of players.*

interesting. how would you you structure single leg work for me? (question open for the forum as well)

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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #2177 on: November 21, 2014, 09:16:09 am »
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Training
FS & BS 3x100
BS 6x90, 6x99.5, 7x97.5
FS 2x6x90

Good Morning (GM) 10x120, 10x130, 10Bx140
Calf Raise (CR) 15x180, 10x200
Partial FS 10x120

Squat notes:
I'm not able to squat to heavy for whatever reason (unrecovered? mental fatigue?) noping out at modest warmup set of 110kg warmups because it felt so heavy (lol). But 90kg is still easy so im just gonna build up some volume and get some confidence before progressing towards. Im also going to build confidence by using heavy weights for accessories like heavy good mornings, calf raises, walk outs (fs and bs racks) and partial reps.

Btw can someone convince me why the partial front squats might be a good exercise for vertical jump? I have a video below:

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ppgk3ub0380" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ppgk3ub0380</a>
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #2178 on: November 21, 2014, 03:02:07 pm »
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man it just sounds like you need a new challenge and, as always, to get out of your own head and stop beating yourself up. some ideas, all of which i'm completely serious about:

1. dancing. wish i was a better dancer. can be really good exercise, but not draining. learn how to salsa or rumba or swing or something. keep lifting in the background but dance. and start dropping some panties, if you're into that sort of thing.
2. yoga. pick a position that you can't do and work toward being able to do it.
3. some kind of aerobic shit, do a long distance swimming comp or something.
4. your idea about really high rep lifting seems like a good one. sets of 20 and plate swings and shit. work up to 100x20 squat, or 120x20.
5. build some strongman-type implements and fuck around with them. you train at home, why not get a truck tire or make yourself a sandbag or two?
6. sprint. go check out what acole was doing these past few months and just do that.

anyway you'll probably disregard all that, which is fine. just trying to think of things you could distract yourself with while still being productive.
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #2179 on: November 23, 2014, 06:17:50 pm »
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I srsly wud love to do 1 leg stuff IF I had access to heavy dbs. I actually miss that aspect of training quite a lot having only a barbell. I will try to incoorproate one leg skips again though, i miss doing those and  they prob helped stiffen my legs up a bit earlier this year when i used to do them regularly for a month or two.

i really dont find the deadlift at all appealing on any level.. its just an ego lift in my experience. and i hate it when people show off about their deadlift numbers like it means anything.. i guess im a purist that way, good squats are the only lift i respect and covet. also not sure my body type will benefit from deadlifts since i'm naturally quite good at them, they don't really do much that MY squats dont already do* (probably, if you can think of a benefit let me know?).

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*edit- regarding the jumping thing. I'm very much a single leg jumper but would jump off two 65-75% in games considering the position I played.  Not a lot of room to take steps in a key full of players.*

interesting. how would you structure single leg work for me? (question open for the forum as well)
 

If you’re naturally good at the deadlift I think you should definitely do it then. If you can pull 2-3xbw I would argue it will only do good things for your body, your vertical and your athletic needs.
If you feel you’re already good at them then go for more difficult variations. Wide grip and snatch grip pulls, both from the floor and RDL style.

As far as being a purist, all lifts originally started from the floor didn’t they? I wonder how people managed to get the bar to their shoulders? 
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Regarding single leg work, use a barbell. Or do higher reps using your weight plates.

Realistically, and as LBSS touched on, it’s more about change and challenge than anything else. I think you could do a lot worse than to front squat, deadlift, throw in some lunges, sprints/hill sprints and plate swings for lower body. For upper body do whatever pleases you. Summer is just around the corner. Bench, ohp, chins, rows, curls etc.

I think we all tend to overcomplicate things and pretend that we’re all more special/advanced than we really are. If you just did the lifts without trying to shoot the lights out, got in some quality anaerobic/aerobic work and ate to support the training your results would be great.

Or, do what I’m currently doing. Pick 5 lifts and do them 5-7 days a week. You phone in 3-4 of the training sessions. Just get in there, do the lifts and get out. 1-2 of them you actually get the chance to struggle for improvement. It’s a nice mental refresher to not have to worry about trying to smash it every time you step in the gym. You’re just putting in the work and the results will be there.

Long post, idk if any of it makes sense but the overriding message is: don’t over think it.
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #2180 on: November 24, 2014, 04:27:11 am »
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NB i had some terribly wicked upper back and lats soreness over the weekend which i am attributing to heavy fs rack walkouts and partial fs. Much more than i'd get from introducing chinups or rows or something. I shud def explore these partial and accessory exercises further. If only to build confidence but hopefully more than that also. Also present was some residual soreness in the upper body as well - chest/delts and abs too. Nothing in the lower body though.

LBSS i danced htis weekend.. :) I shud do it more often haha, for the reasons stated and more. eg better footwork and confidence would be nice.

Coges - Single leg work with barbell just sucks though. I never keep it up because it gets too annoying way before the weights ever approach anything decent. I think i lost interest last time at 60kg or so. Idk, the depth is also nothing great, like it's an above parallel squat. And using suhc light weight, it quickly seems pointless since you can do much more weight with 2 legs at the same depth so what exactly is it achieving? i like the db variants though but grip tends to be hte limiting thing there before the weights get heavy enuf to challenge legs. Also i recall mostly getting glute doms from BSS which i dont really think I need since im already PC dominant as is, and weights are only useful when they make my legs (quads) stronger rather than hams/quads. This is the exact same argument i would use for why deadlifts are of no use to me. You dont use a mainly PC dominant exercise for someone who has a need for stronger quads..

i might try higher rep front squats for a while though. the weight is light enough right at 90kg or so that i can do 6-7 reps alraedy and if i work up to say 10s, maybe it will help me grow my legs somehow. I doubt it though, because the weight is so light and it's prob just a waste of time ..

just coming back to dancing and footwork. I was watching the cavs raptors game and one of the commentors said kyrie put the defender in concrete boots. Which is how i'd describe how Anderson Varejão looks ALL the time on teh court, big, slow and lumbering. Also describes my own natural athletic state as well. I never figured out how to change that. I know im supposed to have 'active feet' - but wtf does that even mean in practice when you dont naturally have it? When i watch an athletic player, i notice several quick steps in a move (A) in a small period of time. Whereas someone slow would have less steps in the same amount of time (B). How do you go about transforming from A to B?



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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #2181 on: November 24, 2014, 08:29:40 am »
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FS 7x90
BS 7x97.5
BP 3x6x72.5
WCU 1x100, 1x105, 2x3x95, 3x92.5, 3x90, 5x87.5, 5x85
CRL 10x32.5, 9x37.5, 10x35

Squat notes:
Took a light day and added a rep. Looking to work up to 20x100 fs and 20x120 bs as suggested..
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #2182 on: November 24, 2014, 09:29:24 am »
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some NFL linemen do ballet or other types of dance to work specifically on being light on their feet. they have to be really quick in really small spaces. and those guys are enormous, 140-150kg. not exactly the most naturally twinkle-toed population, you'd think. but they're so agile.
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #2183 on: November 24, 2014, 05:58:33 pm »
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Skipping is great for light feet. Maybe doing drills that mimic the movements you want to be light and quick at would help too.
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #2184 on: November 27, 2014, 01:30:32 am »
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2 hours of basketball training yesterday, first itme i've balled since season ended 3wks ago.  I ate 2 pizzas post workout for recovery gains. Feel ok the next day htough so it worked..? I still wish i had lifted yesterday but got home too late. Hopefully gonna have an epic lifting day tomorrow though.

coges, yeah for sure, skipping is good stuff.

i think one aspect i overlooked is when a person is 90-100kg in bodyweight (in nba case, lean at that weight), just moving around the court in an athletic fashion a lot is a good strength stimulus. all that sprinting, jumping, jostling for position, playing defence, boxing out for rebounds, etc. all of that, over a period of time with a caloric surplus prob helps grow muscle/strength in the right places? I'm not sure lifting weights is even that important for these athletes. just max effort on the court followed by good nutrition --> gains..?
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #2185 on: November 28, 2014, 06:41:55 am »
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FS&BS 3x100, 2x110, 1x117.5
BS 2x120
(Belted)BS 3x120B, 1x130B, 3x127.5B
BS 6x110
FS 8x92.5 (PR?)
BS 8x100
CR 10x140, 10x180B, 15x200B

FS unracks - 2x200B (~failure), 190B, 180B, 170B
BS partials 10x170B (1 pin gap)
FS partials 10x140B (1 pin gap), 10x130 (2 pin gap)

Squat notes:
Lots of squats. I might have over done it with volume though.

Squatting 130kg for the first time since .. well.. i'd have to look it up but probably around 5-6 months or so. Belted though and only one rep so it's not really anything special (im a good 40kg off PR belted weight).

First time i felt my abs fatigued while squatting on that front squat 8 rep set lol. Interesting i guess. I didn't realise i cud build my ab strength with FS. Such a versatile lift. I bet i cud get a total body workout by just doing FS (full and partials..). Hmmm..
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #2186 on: December 01, 2014, 07:32:30 am »
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Played 1hr full court basketball at training last night. Was alright. Getting fitter i guess. I'm eating a lot though to faciliate all this training im doing.. which isn't ideal but hopefully i'll get fit enough to cut back calories back to maintenance once i'm adapted to training..
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #2187 on: December 01, 2014, 07:35:50 am »
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FS & BS 4x100
FS 8x95 (PR?)
BS 10x102.5

Squat notes:
Experimenting with moving my feet out a little. I've always shied away from widening my stance because narrow feels more comfortable/stable/strong - but i think in the long term it will suit me better to just man up and work up to adjusting to the new stance. I'm not in danger of being excessively wide, talking about SW here so nothing crazy.

I'm pretty sure that's a PR on the FS but if not, the next time i go for 9x95 def will be a PR. And im still eying 10x100 and 10x110 as good milestones for FS on my way to getting back to being strong. Really, 10x120 is the ideal goal for when i wanna do a bulk later on, so if i have a six pac and i'm repping 119.5kg for 10s on FS i'll be in a good place to gain some mass and push my lifts up to the next level.....
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« Reply #2188 on: December 02, 2014, 01:09:14 am »
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In line with making big changes to squatting, i'm also going to do the same with jumping. Double leg jumping is useless for me because in games i never jump off 2. Not when going for a block, not when laying it up or trying to grab a rebound. The only exception is when jumping to start the game and that's cool and all but game time situations never ask for double leg jumps from unathletic guys. You simply don't have hte time to set up for a double leg situation if you're unathletic. It has to be single leg. So i'm going to ask for some help on how to go about training up for better single leg jumping and movement.
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #2189 on: December 02, 2014, 09:01:43 am »
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1. more single leg jumping
2. more sprinting
3. more bounding
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