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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #2205 on: December 05, 2014, 04:10:11 pm »
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jump squats are basically GPP, just a bit more specific to jumping than regular squats. the point of jump squats is not to train yourself how to jump in a game, the point is to train your leg muscles to generate more power. you can produce more power over a bigger ROM, and more power is good. the fact that you will never almost never in practice use that full amplitude is irrelevant.
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #2206 on: December 05, 2014, 05:25:11 pm »
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LBSS is right,  the best way to jump quicker/with less dip is to go jump that way. Look at KF, he can jumpsquat a fuck ton im sure but id he curious what his vert it with almost no "dip" compared to hos normal SVJ. Id bet its remarkably lower in comparison since hes never trained for it (that I know of). And now im actually quite curious!  KF...wanna try it? :)
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #2207 on: December 05, 2014, 05:49:50 pm »
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Quote from: ChrisM on December 05, 2014, 05:25:11 pm
LBSS is right,  the best way to jump quicker/with less dip is to go jump that way. Look at KF, he can jumpsquat a fuck ton im sure but id he curious what his vert it with almost no "dip" compared to hos normal SVJ. Id bet its remarkably lower in comparison since hes never trained for it (that I know of). And now im actually quite curious!  KF...wanna try it? :)

KF's SVJ dip is one of the deepest i've ever seen. it's ATG. he'd jump way lower with a smaller dip, i guarantee it.
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #2208 on: December 05, 2014, 06:34:42 pm »
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I agree but I wonder if it can be 'trained out' per se to a quicker, shallower dip? :/
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #2209 on: December 06, 2014, 02:09:37 am »
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Yeah. I wonder how good push presses wud be here also. I know L used to recommend them for athletes. I wud imagine having a kickass push press (~1.5xbw) wud do good things for no dip vert..
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #2210 on: December 07, 2014, 09:06:18 am »
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2 hours playing basketball at training. Im not happy with my game on either side of the court, damn unfit and zombie like (cue ali mummy impression of foreman). Cant wait to start dunking again, i miss being able to dunk with ease.
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #2211 on: December 08, 2014, 05:32:45 am »
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I feel physically exhausted but going to try train today. Im not sure if this is sustainable though, basketball training sunday and lifting monday might not be do-able for long. I just dont see a way around it unless i change my lifting schedule of M-W-F to say W-F-S which might need to be done..
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #2212 on: December 08, 2014, 09:17:39 am »
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FBS 3x100
BS 15x90 (PR)
BP 3x6x77.5

Squat notes: 
lite day

Upper notes:
Tried push presses. Dont think we're gonna work out. We need different things. PPs need stability and rock rolid core. I can't provide that. It wasn't meant to b.
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #2213 on: December 08, 2014, 09:20:22 am »
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why would you give up on PPs that fast? if you lack stability and a rock solid core and feel that PPs challenge those, then maybe do some light PPs at least in part to help overcome those weaknesses?
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #2214 on: December 08, 2014, 09:24:57 am »
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mainly 2 reasons - 1. I cant clean much and that's never going to get better with my stupid long arms. i dont know how to get into position for overhead stuff without cleaning. I know some ppl can take it out of the rack - ive tried that - it doesn't work for me. 2. on the way up, my body doesn't know how to stay put around my abs, it throws everything upwards from the waist up - including my core/back.. that just happens automatically i cant control it -> recipe for back injury eventually. and i just dont see me using a lot of weight on this lift without hurting either my shoulders cleaning the weight or my back pushing the weight up. it's just not meant for me
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #2215 on: December 09, 2014, 01:31:17 am »
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Might move my workout schedules to accomodate for basketball as follows :-

Wed - Heavy squat, dunks/RFD work (jump squats etc), basketball game
Friday - Volume squat
Sunday - Light squat, basketball training

Hopefully that works better than 4 training days i've been on with back-to-back sunday and monday.
I want to start losing some weight again too. Might start tomorrow though, i need to dig myself out of this recovery hole first and as a result I've been sleeping badly.
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #2216 on: December 10, 2014, 04:17:13 am »
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FBS 2x115
BS 1x120, 2x125 (LPR)
JS 2x6x100 (PR)

Basketball Game

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Im pretty beat up so no PRs :( I contemplated tripling 125 on bs, or 115 on fs but it wasn't to be when the penultimate rep feels like a 10 RPE. Walked out 99.5kg for a possible FS 8 rep PR - that wasn't in the cards either, felt prohibitively heavy. Next time though, i'll probably get a whole bunch of PRs provided i can recover by friday.

Did my first jump squat sesh. Not sure how i feel about them, seems gimmicky. But i'll give it 6 weeks like i said.
Game tonight to come.
Won the game! wooho. i didnt score but it was a good game all the same. prob the best win we've had against a good team :)
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #2217 on: December 10, 2014, 12:21:17 pm »
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too much weight. dangerous for back, low benefit. less weight, more jump.
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #2218 on: December 10, 2014, 12:38:19 pm »
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Quote from: LBSS on December 10, 2014, 12:21:17 pm
too much weight. dangerous for back, low benefit. less weight, more jump.

I cud post a vid of 20kg (empty bar), 60kg, 90kg and the other 100kg set but they all pretty much the same. i wasnt much for jumping today. my aim is to add 2.5kg per week from here and end up at 2x6x115kg by the end of this 6 week JS block. I don't believe this exercise will do anyhting good tbh but im gonna try it anyway. wud rather not do them if using lighter weight though, there are better ways to waste time!
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #2219 on: December 10, 2014, 12:41:58 pm »
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Gotta agree with LBSS. 100kg is way too much in relation to your full squat IMO. Put this way, when I do jump squats I do a weight I can do explosively and without pause. Reasons why....I do it explosively because its an explosive exercise. Thats what im trying to train right? Reasons for the no pause is a) if I can balance/handle the weight without pause then its definitely not too heavy and b) I think it helps train the 2nd jump pretty well (think rebounding/tipped balls/etc) and the eccentric is 'stronger' which should carry over more to a sports specific application.  Maybe im wrong but those are my thoughts.
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