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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #2265 on: January 16, 2015, 09:42:51 am »
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oh man i really wouldn't recommend using more weight on one side than the other. no basis in anything other than ZOMG YOU'RE GONNA HURT YOURSELF. but that seems dangerous and unlikely to produce the desired effect.

it's been suggested before i think for correcting imbalance by lyle but not in the context of barbell stuff. I'm also using a lighter weight. But. It's still not ideal. Im not sure what i can do right now about this problem but it's something i'd like to address for the long term

yeah i mean for DBs it'd be one thing, although i would do them separately and not at the same time. the BB thing wigs me out, though.
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #2266 on: January 18, 2015, 04:26:22 am »
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FBS 3x120 (LPR!)
FS 0Fx130
BS 1x127.5, 1x132.5, 1x137.5B, 1x141 (1kg LPR lol), 1x143.5B (LPR!), 1x145B (LPR!!), 5x130B (LPR!), 5x125B
Baskeball training - 2hrs

BW: 184

Squat notes:
Got a few PRs today which was kinda cool.

Im just not strong enough to front squat 130kg. So i'm gonna stop attempting it - been stuck since last week - not going anywhere with the local PR attempts; if anything going backwards. Time to build up strength via BS reps and then will take another crack at 130kg FS in a few weeks. Remember FS isn't even a main focus for me - i just wanted to make 130kg maintanable as a minimum standard before turning my attention to pushing my backsquat to 160kg which is where the magic will happen.

My bodyweight is up because basketball is kicking my ass and im compensating by eating lots. Hopefully i'll adapt to basketabll soon (weds will be my 3rd week - which is about how long it usually takes). After I get my basketball conditioning back - i'm gonna be able to put my bodyweight on the backburner and get the scale to read 175.

I should be squatting about 150-160kg then though, which will put me at a multiplier of 1.9-2.0. For the record my multiplier today is 1.7365. Which is prob close to PR levels but im not sure 100%. Once i get it to 1.75 or even say 1.8x i'll def be in PR territory though, so i'll just wait til then before calling anything accomplished.
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #2267 on: January 19, 2015, 01:24:44 am »
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BW:182.32

Training upper body today. Don't feel as bad as last monday but then again i htink i was cutting last week whereas i am not right now. Also adaptation to basketball.

My lower back is nicely DOMed up today. Which always means my squats are about to get very hard and plummet - until i recover my back - which then means squats get a lot easier and better. I put it down to the last rep or two of the 5s i did yesterday - they got nice and good morninginy :)

BP 2x82.5, 3x87.5 (LPR), 4x82 (LPR), 5x80, 6x72.5 (focusing on pushing mainly with weak R side)
WCU 3x100, 1x105, 4x95, 5x90, 6x85

BP notes:
I can grind out a 3RM LPR with 87.5kg but ive seemingly lost the ability to do 6s with 80kg now. Not really happy with my bench right now but im not willing to commit to more than 1x week benching so it will have to do..

I didn't do curls today. fuck em. i gave them a chance and they didn't do anything for me. Maybe it will take 6 months or even years before they give results but that's not very appealing. I'll just do chinups and try to add weight over time. I might as well just stick to the compounds if i'm doing an exercise i hate but may do something for my arms but probably wont than to additionally do another one specifically for my arms that prob wont do anything either
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #2268 on: January 19, 2015, 10:45:27 am »
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I realised the reason im not getting 130kg front squat is bc my beltless backsquat LPR is 135kg - hell 132.5kg feels precariously hard/dangerous at the same time! I've repeatedly failed 137.5kg BS attempts. I might be efficient but i'm not THAT efficient that I can get a FS of 130kg while only just BS 132.5-135kg. So that means I just need to get my raw BS up to and over 140kg first and then ill prob get the FS LPR of 130kg.

I wouldn't eve be surprised if the breakthrough happens relatively soon - im sure once my erectors are recovered i'll be able to easily progress my squat a little across the board, bs, bbs and ofc fs. If i'm right, i shud be up for a PR on friday as long as weds game and training isn't too strenuous.

But all of this aside, i am commiting myself to pushing my BS up 10kg - i feel there is no point starting to cut off a few kilos of bf when my absolute strength isn't good enough. Once im satisfied with it, i think around 160kg bs with a belt - i'll cut a few kilos to around 80kg or so - maybe a kilo or two less than that, so i can gain a little weight to there and be a strong 80kg rather than a weak one by cutting to there.
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #2269 on: January 20, 2015, 12:43:59 am »
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BW: 181.44

Ok bodyweight is starting to slide back but i'm not actively cutting right now. There's 11 days left in Jan. I'm considering weighing <81kg/178.5lb by Feb first. But i'm focusing on adding 10kg to my squat - so idk, if i have to choose one, i'll go with the squats. Not saying I shud be gaining weight though. I can attempt a recomp or something or add more cardio.
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #2270 on: January 21, 2015, 01:42:57 am »
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BW: 180.78

Back is still dommed up - my plan was to have an easy fresh workout of squats nothing challenging - and then hopefully be nice and recovered for friday when I can exploit the new back strength for some squat PRs. Will try to stick to it! Basketball game later tonight also. Gonna try to keep up my recent performance and improve some areas (better defence and being aggressive with the ball on offense).

FS 3x100, 1x122.5, BS 2x122.5
JS 5x60, 5x90, 5x100
Basketball game

Squat notes:
I wanted to double 122.5kg as a warmup but the first rep was pretty hard so i noped out. Considered doing a workset of 112.5kg with fs/bs but decided i wanted to be fresh for the game and called it a day after some jump squats.

Basketball game notes:
Played well but i could have played better. my handle was terrible, i turned it over. I should practice more.
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #2271 on: January 21, 2015, 11:18:06 am »
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a question...; I've never got a fast break dunk. I've attempted several but i always hit the rim front. Is there a trick to it?
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #2272 on: January 21, 2015, 11:24:11 am »
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a question...; I've never got a fast break dunk. I've attempted several but i always hit the rim front. Is there a trick to it?

Yes, you need to jump higher.

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Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #2273 on: January 21, 2015, 11:26:44 am »
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but i can't; its the damnedest things :( also r u calling me white?? bro.
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #2274 on: January 21, 2015, 11:32:51 am »
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I suspect though have not confirmed through video that i transform into a single leg jumper in that case. And i'm not a single leg jumper by any means, so the chance of getting that dunk is prob very low. I have thought about thinking "double legs" though i dont know if i ever actually did it during the break or just thought about it after the miss
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #2275 on: January 21, 2015, 06:05:50 pm »
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Haha, i was just kidding of course. Anyway, imho SLRVJs are more convenient for in-game dunks in traffic, but in fast-break situation i don't see why you can't use your full easy-dunk DLRVJ potential.
At one point that i was stable at a dunkable 34'' DLRVJ ( gosh, i miss that! ), i had the same dilemma. What i did was dedicate dunk sessions to 'real' situations. I would toss the ball from one basket to the middle of the court, sprint , pick it up, dribble to the basket and try to dunk. Other scenarios too, pump-fake 3p, drive, dunk. Baseline pivot dribble, drive, dunk. And so on. I had the luxury of having 9'8'' 9'10'' and 10' rims available, so i started from the low one. When i mastered it , i moved to the 9'10''. When i mastered that too... i got injured and never jumped above 31'' ever since. FML.
To sum it up, practice makes perfect. You are not missing jump height, you are missing game-situation dunk efficiency. So practice it and you will acquire it.
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Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #2276 on: January 22, 2015, 12:11:19 am »
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^ makes sense vag. I'll add the individual practice on fridays. On weds I play games. On sunday it's team practice. Perhaps some game time situations like drives, layups, fastbreak dunks etc. Should be cool. And i can finish by doing dunks too. It's hardt o believe the last dunk session i had was on NYE. No wonder I can't dunk easily anymore.

BW: 179.13

Not sure if this is just a temporary low - or if the scale suddenly catching up to my diet but we'll see over the next few days. Good to be back under 180. Now if tomorrow I can PR my squats and hit up a solid 147.5kg bs and say a 130kg FS i'll be pretty thrilled. Can't wait! Also, my calves are sore for the first time in ages, i guess the jump squats? Interesting..

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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #2277 on: January 23, 2015, 03:55:39 am »
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Friday at last! My back feels okay but legs could be a bit fresher. My grip feels weak (--> proxy for CNS freshnness) so i'm prob not going to have an amazing workout but we'll see how it goes. Oh and I lubricated  my barbell with Inox - will see if that helps get my (home) powerclean unstuck. Would be cool if it does otherwise i'll explore using a public gym 1x a week on days i do cleans.

Bodyweight: 179.68

Sub 180lb bodyweight sticks - in addition,  i woke up looking a lot leaner - my torso is taking on that lean cylindrical shape you have when you are not fat. Also legs look bigger. Cool. I'll stick to what i've been doing, will be nice getting to my bodyweight goal while continuing to get stronger and more muscular!

Food log for the day

Training to come

FBS 2x120
FS 0Fx129.5
BS 1x130, 0Fx137.5, 1x137.5B, 0Fx142.5
FS 1x122.5, 1x117.5, 4x110 (LPR)
BS 4x112.5
OHP 4x60 (LPR), 4x60, 5x60 (LPR)
HPC 3x3x70 (PR), 1x80 (home PR), 0Fx86
DL 6x90 (LPR; new ex)
CURL 8x40, 8x45 (PR), 10x42.5 (PR)

Squat notes:
Unbelieavably weak squats today. I should be doing 10 reps with 112.5 and i got a hard 4 and said fuck this and called it a day.

OHP notes:
60kg milestone word up.

Hang PC notes:     
Lubricated bar made short work of my 70kg worksets - world of difference really. Even though i havent done PC worksets in 3 weeks.  I couldn't believe it. After that i took a crack at a heavy single of 80kg suprisingly got it which is a home pr. Then thought why not go for a 1kg (anywhere) PR and put 86kg on the bar - got it up okay for a catch but cudnt get my elbows up and the rack didnt happen :/ I took several other attempts at it but they got weaker and weaker so called it a day. I probably would have got 86kg if i did it before my worksets - but im not too bothered, just happy to get back on the PC train. Lets work up to 80kg worksets now.

Deadlift notes:
I caved, im in on deadlifts after all the fuss on the forums how they're the magic exercise for basketball. And while im going to be conservative i think i might have neglected the wrong exercise after all - felt the DLs in my legs in a way i haven't felt in a while on squats - so maybe i should have been doing these all along and i sold myself short by going all in on squats. But my form is awful and im not sure how to fix it so it might not really go anywhere with these anyway.
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #2278 on: January 23, 2015, 11:13:01 am »
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post vid of DL.
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #2279 on: January 24, 2015, 04:34:19 am »
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BW: 179.35

I wish i was in the 79s in kilos not pounds, then i could stop cutting and just maintain <80kg while getting strong as fuck. But right now i'm not in a position to maintain  a fat unathletic 81.35kg/179.35lb since i'm not close to the bodyweight goal of 79kg/175lb. Blah.

Today i have some decent doms in the upper back area, lats and tarps. Cool. Goes to show these hang pcs aren't completely useless. To think i was ruiing skipping rows yesterday but it turns out i got a good workout anyways - i'll do em on monday though after chins.

Been thinking how to be a good basketball player. we have enough height and size on my team now that i can think about taking my preferred role on the wing. I just need to have a bit more skill though cause im  not good at or confident with the ball and i think ppl will yell at me if i shoot 3s. But i need to do this - i am not a post player and im sick of trying to become one esp with my low bodyweight and lack of athleticism, im not really good at it. I can shoot 3s and drive from the wings much better.

Food log. I omitted the 2 bowls of icecream i ate bc idk how much they weighed. Hopefully this will get me fresh enough to PR my squats. Been stuck a while now :(
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