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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #2520 on: February 12, 2016, 08:07:32 am »
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BS 6x100, 3x110, 2x120, 0Fx132.5
RDL 10x100, 6x60
Hip Thrust 2x8x60 (PR), 8x90 (PR)

TKE 3x20xThick Band
Glute Bridge 3x12xThick Band
OHP 3x3x60, 3x2x60
CURL 3x50, 5x50, 3x6x45
SL Calf Raise 3x21

Squat notes:
Just like that my squat evaporated.. will probably take months to get back to where i was a week ago lol. Have to find a way to train my legs and back while my back is injured.. but i dont know any.

Misc accessory notes:
Started doing hip thrusts just cause i wanted to get some decent volume in for lower body while being unable to squat or RDL.. so tried this. Not sure why but this lift is super uncomfortable .. is it because of muscular fatigue or just the pressure of the bar digging in or both? IDk. whatever.
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #2521 on: February 12, 2016, 02:51:29 pm »
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Maybe try to do frontsquats too? ;) For me they made a huge difference! awesome would be if you are able to do heavy hip belt squats, they take out pretty much all lowerback loading but I never stumbled across such a machine myself.. soo...  Other than that, have you tried to focus on unilateral work for a while? Trap bar deads would also be a good alternative too imo and if you drop your hips low and use the low bar handles when doing them, they really fry your legs (quads)... my last idea would be to do heavy sled pushes/drags a few times a week.

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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #2522 on: February 12, 2016, 03:06:40 pm »
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Misc accessory notes:
Started doing hip thrusts just cause i wanted to get some decent volume in for lower body while being unable to squat or RDL.. so tried this. Not sure why but this lift is super uncomfortable .. is it because of muscular fatigue or just the pressure of the bar digging in or both? IDk. whatever.

Maybe try to do frontsquats too? ;) For me they made a huge difference! awesome would be if you are able to do heavy hip belt squats, they take out pretty much all lowerback loading but I never stumbled across such a machine myself.. soo...  Other than that, have you tried to focus on unilateral work for a while? Trap bar deads would also be a good alternative too imo and if you drop your hips low and use the low bar handles when doing them, they really fry your legs (quads)... my last idea would be to do heavy sled pushes/drags a few times a week.

Following up on Leonel's suggestion, you could do lunges. They are almost SL, so they'll help you get rid of imbalances, and because they are SL you won't be limited by your back. Depending on the way you do them, you could focus more on P-chain or quads, if you really work on form you can make it a super glute dominant movement.

http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/training/split-squat-technique.html/

I'm sure you know all of this lol, just throwing it out there cause a lot of gyms don't have sleds or trap bar

Also congrats on your cutting, I can't even imagine being at 169
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #2523 on: February 13, 2016, 02:14:37 am »
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Thanks guys. I will try the suggestions but i'm not too optimistic. Can't do FS even when i was healthy without bothering my back.. chances are they're def out when injured. Trap bar never really appealed to me. I dont know how to use it properly without rounding my back. Not keen to revisit. BSS is not much different from BS in terms of disturbing the spine but the load is lighter so it may work better.. Will see how it goes.

I like the suggestion of the heavy sled pushing.. only prob is i dont have that piece of equipment.. though i could push a car or something? haha.

Man those HTs really wrecked my .. hips.. is that just from the bar pushing on my hips or is it a muscular thing. idk.
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #2524 on: February 13, 2016, 03:06:33 am »
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I only did heavy sled pushes once before, as I unfortunately also don't have access to this piece of equipment myself, but I have to say it felt great. Soreness is minimal because of the lack of an eccentric motion but I think you can still achieve some good strength gains with it and as I said, it's pretty joint friendly for the back and knees. And let's be honest, it doesn't get any more basic than that: get behind a heavy sled, drop your hips low and just push that damn thing! If I had access to one, I would definitely make it a staple in my training program.


About the hip thrusts: It takes some time getting used to it. In the beginning it caused me a lot of discomfort/pain even with a pad... now it doesn't bother me at all despite the load being much heavier. I think this is one of the rare cases where the rule "fight through the pain" applies (if the "pain" isn't severe)

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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #2525 on: February 13, 2016, 03:46:00 am »
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Heavy Sled Pushes -- It does sound appealing! Yeah I don't mind the pain on HTTs.. i know my body will adapt, Wolf's Law and all. I think i'll skip the padding for a while and just let my body grow accustomed to the discomfort then I can use padding for say 140kg ->180kg .. though I dont know if i will use this lift for that long. Guess we'll see if it does good things for my athleticism .. which is exciting.. always good to find something new to try!
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #2526 on: February 15, 2016, 12:51:03 am »
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I figured out how I hurt my back. It was the stupid pointless jumps I did on the 23rd of Jan at home.

JS 6x145 (PR)

A super natural movement like unloaded jumps vs the monstrosity of jump squats with a 145kg barbell on your back, one of them hurt your back, guess which.


Wait, he actually did JUMPSQUATS with 145 kg? I read that and thought "oh he changed the units back to lbs"... wait... so you're telling me... that... he... wait... what?!

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chasing windmills (W1D1)
« Reply #2527 on: February 15, 2016, 08:04:40 am »
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Bball ~ 30 mins
Dunks 3x5 (LPR; reintroduction)

HIIT Sprints - 5x(20s on, 20s off)

BS 6x102.5
BP 1x90, 4x84.5, 5x80

BW: 76.55kg/168.76lb (2016 PR)

Bball notes:
So hideously out of shape... was losing my breath playing halfcourt pickup for fucks sake. Dunking is all time low levels,even on such a  low rim i missed the first couple of attempt before rattling in a feeble excuse of a dunk. But kept at it and got marginally better ... still really pathetic though, couldnt do any tomahawks so the decline is real and undeniable.

Conditioning notes:
Started doing sprint intervals.. figured it was time to introduce sprints.. im in terrible shape and could do with the conditioning work and since my squat is already shit there is no opportunistic cost to bare. The only thing is im still trying to lose a bit of weight so this might be biting more than i can chew in terms of recovery but whatever.

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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #2528 on: February 16, 2016, 04:35:23 pm »
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regarding trap bar, they're easy to adapt for long-limbed dudes like you. just start with the bar up on plates or low blocks, high enough that you can assume the starting position with a neutral back.
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #2529 on: February 16, 2016, 10:34:52 pm »
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I mean if i had access to a Tarp bar i might even entertain using one but since I dont and i'd have to go out of my way to find one, it's really not worth talking about lol. I have used one in the past and i had issues with setting up with a flat back. It's not really the lift for me tbh, the rom isn't enough .. but i do appreciate the suggestions.
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chasing mediocrity (W1D2)
« Reply #2530 on: February 17, 2016, 06:55:59 am »
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BS 3x122.5, 1Fx127.5
JS 6x150 (PR), 8x150 (PR)
Push Press 3x6x60 (PR)
Depth Jump 3x6x20"

BW: 77kg/169.8lb

Squat notes:
Aaaaaaaand the comeback begins! I did the heavy JS because fuck cargo cultism. It's perfectly safe. Next time i'll pick my BS weights better tho. In hindsight I shuda done 125kg double but that struck me as too light so i went with 127.5kg and failed the 2nd rep. Go figure.

Upper notes:
Im going to progress push press 3x6s @ 2kg/wk. I will stall out but hopefully by then i can switch to doubles and triples and get close to a BW push press for reps by tournament time. At some point i should reintroduce medball work too but not yet, need to get my squat back up first..

Depth Jump notes:
Considered progressing from last wks 3x7 to 3x8 but decided to go the other way instead and do less volume.

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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #2531 on: February 17, 2016, 10:07:28 am »
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2 more weeks of scheduled dietng left. Feeling pessimistic bout reachign my goal weight of <75kg/165b by then .. but we'll see, may have an overnight whoosh at some point and bring me close. Honestly i dont get it, im looking a lot leaner in the mirror but the scale hasnt registered the losses so maybe something funny going on .. anyways, lets just see out the next 14 day and then I can revisit body comp. I know i improve my bodycomp by doing more cardio .. but not until im done dieting.

The HIIT sprints i did on monday made my quads sore (as expected) but it didn't seem to affect my squatting too badly so that's promising. And i'd be crazy to attribute it to just one workout -- but my love handles have melted appreciably the last coupla days.. so maybe it's already doing good things for bodycomp!

In other news, I only have 5 weeks left til the bball comp!!! yikes it's crept up. Not sure if i'll be ready .. i havetn played a full court bball game since dec :/ but im hoping to be in the best shape of my life by mid-to-late march.

The question is, can i get a 150kg raw backsquat at 75kg bw before the comp?? And peak my vertical and conditioning?! Even getting one of those would be amazing but all 3 seems quite unlikely. Maybe if i had 12 weeks but 5 is not enough. It doesn't seem like there is enough time esp since i'm cutting and it will take time to get on a roll once i'm done (if i'm done at some point ..).

I feel like going off the caloric deficit will give me some strength gains. Stopping the stupid fasting thing will give me some gains. Maybe i can just go balls to teh wall and get some more gainz. also maybe the hip thrusts and rdls will help indirectly too? will all of that be enough to finally reach the 2xbw BS? Idk. First things first, need to rep 140kg for a double and im no where near that at the mo.

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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #2532 on: February 18, 2016, 03:09:03 am »
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If sprints make your quads sore you have problems rdls and glute thrusts wont fix...

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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #2533 on: February 18, 2016, 03:31:31 am »
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If sprints make your quads sore you have problems rdls and glute thrusts wont fix...

oh??
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #2534 on: February 18, 2016, 06:07:41 am »
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I think what he meant is, that when your quads get sore sprinting then your sprinting mechanics are flawed. Something you can't just fix doing tons of RDL's, hip thrusts because it's an entirely different movement and eventhough you will get stronger glutes/hams doing them and your activations in these exercises gets better the carryover to actual sprinting is marginal! ;)