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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #3255 on: September 20, 2016, 12:08:46 am »
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BW: 80.1kg (yay)

after the excesses of the weekend behind me, it's good to see the scales return to my baseline. I wont say exactly what yesterday's weighing was but it was 82.x something, yikes. so this is a relief.

question for the wise audience here ..

i have 2 options for today,

1. PEAK: do an easy weights session and take advantage of my non-sore, well recovered state atm, try go beast at my evening game (it's my 2nd game and i didnt make a stellar first impression with the season opener last wk)

2. go hard on squats and keep putting the emphasis on long term results and hope for an okay game /dunks

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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #3256 on: September 20, 2016, 05:22:54 am »
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BS 2x127.5(+2.5kg), 2x130(LPR; +2.5kg), 2x132.5(LPR), 1x135(LPR), 3x130(LPR), 2x2x130
BP 3x6x82.5(LPR)

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a few dunks (PR levels .. if not beyond, see post following this one)

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Decided to stick with the usual thing for tuesdays and not try anything crazy. its' been working so i just went with stepping up the doubles. last second decision to go for 135kg and did the first rep then eventually after some time passed, i put the bar back without attempting a 2nd rep cos i wasnt sure i wud get it and im not trying to fail. then tripled 130kg .. just to feel i accomplished something today lol. salient observation: i squat WAY better infront of a mirror. I realised that after finding the first 6 sets awkward but i sunk the 7th one pretty good even tho it was hard, i felt it was a better squat. So will make a mirror a permanent feature from here
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #3257 on: September 20, 2016, 10:50:08 am »
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First the game, that team we just played is easily the best team ive ever faced. They cud all shoot and they did, around a 70% clip. Dude was taking NBA 3s and swishing them at over 80% lol. Like half a dozen at least. Wow. Such a strong comp, i love it. We lost and the benchmark is clear .. have a shitload of work to do as a team, tbh im not sure we can match them but at least individually i think i can rise up to the challenge.
After the game i wanted to do some dunks quickly before the next game started .. and i attemped i think 2 dunks. Easily the best dunks ive done on that court. But i think it's not a regulation height which fucks me off cos how do you know you're not just jumping good instead of great? But i felt like i was closest to the rim ive ever gotten.

so then i thought to try acoles dumb suggestion of tryna touch the top of the square. it's dumb cos the mechanics for jumping for that corner are completely different to anything you'd ever do athletically .. it's an awkward angle and target to say the least. But i touched so high up that a team mate commented in disbelief. So that might be worth something ..  i was maybe 2 inches or 3 inches off the top of the square. Like i said, it's possible that i can actually jump high enough to touch a height equivalent to the top of the square .. if i was jumping at a better target like a high rim or something. Oh well. i need to figure this shit out, it's frustrating me not having a measurable way of checking how high im getting up

but omg .. after playing a game to jump that high is just amazing .. im more than convinced ive got the right mix of training going right now.. it's yielding impressive gains. only downside right now is my left ankle does not like these me jumps .. it may be the shoes actually.. stupid kobes dont have enough dorsiflexion and i think that's ruining my jumps
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #3258 on: September 20, 2016, 12:21:56 pm »
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I forgot to mention, a team mate who saw my dunks and jumps said, completely unprompted, i think you jumped 36". so that's another data point. however, i doubt that's a very qualified one .. it's just interesting he said that number ;P. i told him with my reach 36" corresponds to the top of the square (of which i was short) but i do think my jumps for the corner are inefficient so they're underestimating my true vertical. probably. it's all conjecture really. who cares.
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #3259 on: September 20, 2016, 10:33:30 pm »
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so then i thought to try acoles dumb suggestion of tryna touch the top of the square. it's dumb cos the mechanics for jumping for that corner are completely different to anything you'd ever do athletically .. it's an awkward angle and target to say the least. But i touched so high up that a team mate commented in disbelief. So that might be worth something ..  i was maybe 2 inches or 3 inches off the top of the square. Like i said, it's possible that i can actually jump high enough to touch a height equivalent to the top of the square .. if i was jumping at a better target like a high rim or something. Oh well. i need to figure this shit out, it's frustrating me not having a measurable way of checking how high im getting up

What??? Oh wait you're right: T0ddday looks really cramped and awkward jumping at the square here. Imagine how high he can really jump!

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqAUeEHudb8" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqAUeEHudb8</a>

To restate, I never claimed it's the 'perfect' method you're looking for, it's just good enough to get an estimate. If you want to measure a milestone vertical then find a vertec. You were asking about easy ways you could measure your jump and I know you're at the courts a lot so it seemed obvious. But honestly if you don't like it then just move on and forget I ever said it. Don't worry, I won't make the same mistake again.

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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #3260 on: September 20, 2016, 10:39:09 pm »
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I didnt mean it that way. I just dislike the method but it has a few things going for it: 1.i can do it during/games when adrelenin kicks in and you perform better, 2. it needs no special equipment. but it just doesn't feel right, i dont think im jumping normally when i reach for the backboard as a target. if there was a line extending along the square to te end of the backboard i think i'd prefer that but there isnt and you dont get that feedback from actually seeing the corner. hmmmmmmmmmmmm. maybe i cud put up a sticker in line and jump for that? i'll try that actually. it reminds me of raptor saying he jumps higher with a ball in hand than without, b/c he trained his body to be maximally efficient in a dunk attempt. i think im the same
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #3261 on: September 20, 2016, 10:45:54 pm »
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todday is different to me tho i cant tell you why exactly. maybe my arms are longer and it affects the way i setup for a jump. his arms are essentially vertical on touch there, mine are  oblique, which def affects touch height. maybe im just tryna avoid hitting myself on the backboard .. and reflexively avoiding the backboard, im not sure, you just have to believe me it's not a great target. but i think im over it, i'll stick to the only measurable goal that matters, getting my squat to milestones XYZ. measuring jump and run is just too much trouble to do reliably
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #3262 on: September 21, 2016, 01:07:08 am »
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Nice squats!

Sorry I haven't posted the pic of the diy vertec, I keep forgetting  :huh:

You guys can get a good workout by jumping at the rim b/c getting a palm over the rim is 30"+ palm touch but for me an SVJ to the rim is only 22" and a wrist touch is a nothing special 27" or whtaever. If i have ambitions of cracking 40" - then jumps at the rim wont mean anything unless im touching deep down my arm but this isn't as really a good workout cos you dont jump up to touch a target with your forearm (who does?) - it works better when you're tryina touch a target with your hand.

Wouldn't a wrist touch be 30"? If you're 22" away with standing reach and your hand is 8"

I know you said touching the rim with your wrist is not the best target, but if you hit the rim with a little bit of force, it will leave a slight red mark on your wrist (not hard enough to injure yourself obviously). If you use your thumb to measure you can estimate how far the red mark is from the crease of your wrist, which should give you a measure of height with maybe .25"-.5" margin of error.
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #3263 on: September 21, 2016, 01:35:13 am »
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last i checked (a few years back mind), i cud get bout 1/4 the way up my arm .. and it wasnt really feasible to check where it touched after, not sensitive enough there on the arm. cud use vid if that's possible (not really during game setting).  i dont care for that test anyway. you know would what be cool, a device you could stick to the side of a bacboard, like an arrow with a suction cup, and then try to pull it down
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #3264 on: September 21, 2016, 06:01:26 am »
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Lol at acole.  Yeah touching the backboard is a completely unathletic movement... Did you see that horribly unathletic movement that lebron did in the finals where he chased the ball down and pinned it against the backboard... useless move.  Wonder if he can do something athletic like grab a suction cup?

The chase down block.  Robbing a home run.  Jumping near a wall is just not an athletic manuever...

Not to maxent.  Just like your foray into bounding... just cause you suck at something or feel awkward at it that doesnt make the movement completely unathletic and useless... it makes you unathletic...

Your excuses simply don't make sense...  you have a harder time touching the backboard cause of your longer arms???  Actually it's harder w short arms, watch my last jump, I have to lean my head back to not hit it on the backboard - the longer your arms the less you have to do that...

Speaking of... why not hit your head on the backboard.  Most are around 1 ft at most.  That's a 33 inch vertical.  Measure it.  Seriously taking a data point from a guy who gave you a 36 inch vertical by sight????

Ok are you joking? Vertical isn't some hard to quantify trait that you need to trust an expert eye on. Hit your head on backboard.  Hit your head on rim.  Invest in a tape measure.  Use your camera to time it and convert to find your jump... a million ways yet your don't do it...

Cause once you do it it counts... stop basking in the glory of maybe 36" and just make a measurement... I get what your doing... I did it when I unretired from sprinting... avoiding meets and getting data about my speed from things like "stronger than before in weight room... I practiced w a 10.2 guy and hung w him, coaches say I look like a 10.4...

This is all BS.  Comforting but dishonest...

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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #3265 on: September 21, 2016, 08:31:40 am »
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said it before and i'll say it again: god you're a weird dude. how do you come up with this shit?
Muscles are nonsensical they have nothing to do with this bullshit.

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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #3266 on: September 21, 2016, 10:42:16 am »
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tbh im more intrigued by ideas i feel strongly about (positive or negative).. so just cos i hate something doesn't mean i wont eventually fall in love with them and vice versa (front squats and half deadlifts aka rdls) but whatevs .. ya'll over-reacting. why can feynman call an idea dopy or dumb and still engage it but without implying any judgement of the person who said it. acole put me onto TENS units and for that im ever grateful but apologises all round.

confession; im not dealing well with coming off this diet. my appetite is insatiable, i want to keep eating and eating .. not good.
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #3267 on: September 21, 2016, 12:05:08 pm »
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Measuring your vertical when you jump way to high for the rim:


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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #3268 on: September 21, 2016, 01:04:23 pm »
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tbh im more intrigued by ideas i feel strongly about (positive or negative)..

as are most people...

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so just cos i hate something doesn't mean i wont eventually fall in love with them and vice versa (front squats and half deadlifts aka rdls) but whatevs .. ya'll over-reacting. why can feynman call an idea dopy or dumb and still engage it but without implying any judgement of the person who said it. acole put me onto TENS units and for that im ever grateful but apologises all round.

can't speak for others but i was specifically referring to your bizarre assertion that touching the backboard is "different from anything you'd do athletically". that doesn't make sense! not even a little bit of sense! i am very curious how that thought formulated itself in your head!

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confession; im not dealing well with coming off this diet. my appetite is insatiable, i want to keep eating and eating .. not good.

sounds very unpleasant.
Muscles are nonsensical they have nothing to do with this bullshit.

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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #3269 on: September 21, 2016, 11:18:21 pm »
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BW: 80.8kg

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BS 6x127.5(LPR), 2x135B(+5kg), 2x140B(LPR; +5kg)
Quarter BS 8x165(+2.5kg), 8x200(PR!; +2.5kg)

Quarter Barbell Jump Squat 8x70, 6x110, 6x120(LPR)
Push Press 2x6x67.5(LPR)

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Aw yis, today was a revelation workout. I figured exactly how mirror has helped me squat better .. it's to do wiht bottom position and pushing knees down. If you dont have that feedback you may not notice you're not loading up the quads by that subtle knee push down at the bottom. And the upshot? I PR my 6rm by 5kg and and doubled 140kg with a belt BUT for the first time in my life -- i didnt squat morning a heavy belted squat. Magic. I owe it all to the quarter squats. If anyone guessed the solution to squatmornings is bringing up quad weakness (that guy from strength theory is the only one who said it ime)) -- give tyousrelf a medal, spot on.
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