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« Reply #3705 on: May 08, 2017, 01:53:09 am »
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« Reply #3706 on: May 08, 2017, 07:41:12 am »
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Work on a drop step where you don't actually face up completely.  This requires the dunk to have a bit of turn, so it's a drop step spin and the dunk has about a 80 degree spin in it.  This allows you to protect the ball and even use your lead hand to fight off the defender (and even push off slightly for a boost).  If you have a trainer parter it's best to practice w them - practice your spin, gather, protect and push off w your lead arm on their shoulder... hard to get this perfect but when you do you can get truly nasty dunks...

Sounds v. interesting!!! When I practiced a spin into a drop step I found I had to do the spin real slow to get good groove into the plant for a jump. But I will practice what you've described, it seems subtly different from that. I find hte biggest challenge is not breaking the rules (travelling) while setting up for the dunk.

This is exactly why you don't want to do the spin move slow!  If you execute it quickly and get a dunk nobody will notice your traveling...  There is sort of an unwritten rule here that if a short guy drop steps on somebody.... nobody dares call travel...  The only leagues that do are the same ones which will give you a technical foul for dunking - you don't want to play in those leagues anyway...

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« Reply #3707 on: May 09, 2017, 08:18:46 am »
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« Reply #3708 on: May 09, 2017, 11:15:29 am »
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Work on a drop step where you don't actually face up completely.  This requires the dunk to have a bit of turn, so it's a drop step spin and the dunk has about a 80 degree spin in it.  This allows you to protect the ball and even use your lead hand to fight off the defender (and even push off slightly for a boost).  If you have a trainer parter it's best to practice w them - practice your spin, gather, protect and push off w your lead arm on their shoulder... hard to get this perfect but when you do you can get truly nasty dunks...

Sounds v. interesting!!! When I practiced a spin into a drop step I found I had to do the spin real slow to get good groove into the plant for a jump. But I will practice what you've described, it seems subtly different from that. I find hte biggest challenge is not breaking the rules (travelling) while setting up for the dunk.

This is exactly why you don't want to do the spin move slow!  If you execute it quickly and get a dunk nobody will notice your traveling...  There is sort of an unwritten rule here that if a short guy drop steps on somebody.... nobody dares call travel...  The only leagues that do are the same ones which will give you a technical foul for dunking - you don't want to play in those leagues anyway...

lol .. ok this is a game changer. does it help or nah if you receive the entry pass into the post into a jump stop in selling the travel. i dont think i pass for short in our leagues very much, sometimes but not often. i think i get none of hte benefit of the doubt from refs for being 'big' tho im usually and probably one of the lightest on the court .. smh. for now..
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« Reply #3709 on: May 10, 2017, 01:18:40 am »
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I want those Harden / Kobe biceps tho. lol. That's +1kg/arm maybe?
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« Reply #3710 on: May 10, 2017, 02:00:17 am »
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I want those Harden / Kobe biceps tho. lol. That's +1kg/arm maybe?

C'mon man. You should be aiming for Malone  :D
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« Reply #3711 on: May 10, 2017, 02:22:30 am »
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I want those Harden / Kobe biceps tho. lol. That's +1kg/arm maybe?

C'mon man. You should be aiming for Malone  :D

Haha maybe id revise the goals if considering



but i think kobe/harden are more apt w/o  :uhhhfacepalm:
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« Reply #3712 on: May 10, 2017, 02:27:05 am »
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I want those Harden / Kobe biceps tho. lol. That's +1kg/arm maybe?

C'mon man. You should be aiming for Malone  :D

Haha maybe id revise the goals if considering



but i think kobe/harden are more apt w/o  :uhhhfacepalm:

Hahahaha.

Yeah probably a wise choice. Low bf, decent shoulders and half decent arms and you'll look like a good baller.
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« Reply #3713 on: May 10, 2017, 02:40:27 am »
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I want those Harden / Kobe biceps tho. lol. That's +1kg/arm maybe?

C'mon man. You should be aiming for Malone  :D

Haha maybe id revise the goals if considering



but i think kobe/harden are more apt w/o  :uhhhfacepalm:

Hahahaha.

Yeah probably a wise choice. Low bf, decent shoulders and half decent arms and you'll look like a good baller.

On the same page! Will help my post play a ton not having wiry arms. Idk why I never stopped to reconsider the 'train the biggest muscles' back/legs myth but someone with my build can def put on 2.5kg of mass on there and i plan to do just that.
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« Reply #3714 on: May 10, 2017, 07:24:45 am »
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BP 1x90, 2x5x83.5(LPR), 4Fx83.5
Paused BP 5x75(PR), 5x73.5, 3x5x72.5(PR)

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If paused benching is for benching what paused squatting is for my squat, then this is a change I am going to benefit from immensely. Next time i'll go for 5x5x75 and progress them from there.
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #3715 on: May 10, 2017, 01:40:09 pm »
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On the same page! Will help my post play a ton not having wiry arms. Idk why I never stopped to reconsider the 'train the biggest muscles' back/legs myth but someone with my build can def put on 2.5kg of mass on there and i plan to do just that.

Is that a myth? Not sure how much functional use you can get out of slightly bigger arms since arm muscles are proportionally way smaller than leg and torso muscles. For basketball specifically though. I don't really know the rules of basketball but in frisbee you can't stiff arm people and can only box out with your body so that takes out a lot of the benefit of having larger arms. Don't really see larger arms carrying over to athleticism either.

Really curious to see thoughts on this because I don't do lifting for arms except shoulders but it would be a thing to throw in occasionally if it does carry over to sport. Also, do people do any sort of more low-rep strength/fiber recruitment lifting for arms? My buddy who's a bodybuilding coach said people generally don't do that because the muscles are smaller and tear easier

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« Reply #3716 on: May 11, 2017, 12:08:39 am »
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It's fine just unqualified. Like all rules of thumb you shud know when to break them. In my case it's a point of weakness not having enough mass in my arms and upper body in gen so I have to revise my dedication to back and legs. Have got pretty decent erector development from an obsession to squatting and I havent even scratched the surface. Thighs are much bigger than arms. So a bit of balance is required! I do think it will help my post play in basketball. I wouldnt necessarily say it's useful for a guard as much.
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« Reply #3717 on: May 11, 2017, 12:09:37 am »
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Not sleeping so good but I do want to get my bw back around 80.0kg, maybe will start chipping away at that slowly.
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #3718 on: May 11, 2017, 02:38:26 am »
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On the same page! Will help my post play a ton not having wiry arms. Idk why I never stopped to reconsider the 'train the biggest muscles' back/legs myth but someone with my build can def put on 2.5kg of mass on there and i plan to do just that.

Is that a myth? Not sure how much functional use you can get out of slightly bigger arms since arm muscles are proportionally way smaller than leg and torso muscles. For basketball specifically though. I don't really know the rules of basketball but in frisbee you can't stiff arm people and can only box out with your body so that takes out a lot of the benefit of having larger arms. Don't really see larger arms carrying over to athleticism either.

Really curious to see thoughts on this because I don't do lifting for arms except shoulders but it would be a thing to throw in occasionally if it does carry over to sport. Also, do people do any sort of more low-rep strength/fiber recruitment lifting for arms? My buddy who's a bodybuilding coach said people generally don't do that because the muscles are smaller and tear easier

You'd actually be surprised how much upper body strength matters in basketball. Especially for play in the key, mainly the tussle for rebounds and holding position. I played last night and the amount of times arms get tangled when vying for position when a shot goes up is immense. I had both arms being held during most contests last night. Now you might just say it should be a foul but most refs let that stuff go and it's the stronger player who comes out on top.  Another factor is holding onto the ball during plays. I know that I'm far better when the upper body is strong than when I'm just doing mainly lower body work.
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« Reply #3719 on: May 11, 2017, 03:06:16 am »
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You'd actually be surprised how much upper body strength matters in basketball. Especially for play in the key, mainly the tussle for rebounds and holding position. I played last night and the amount of times arms get tangled when vying for position when a shot goes up is immense. I had both arms being held during most contests last night. Now you might just say it should be a foul but most refs let that stuff go and it's the stronger player who comes out on top.  Another factor is holding onto the ball during plays. I know that I'm far better when the upper body is strong than when I'm just doing mainly lower body work.

Yup! Australian game is also more physical. In my exp USA bball is more fitness and grace and we're more grit and grind here. i didnt even raelise how much effort I was expending in the post (offense mainly) but it's become 2nd nature and effortless now. A big part of is having to deal with much bigger/stronger dudes guarding me that I just have to pour in so much force into my movements that I am not even aware how close to a ME type effort it is. It's a pretty cool adaption and i cant wait to have the same sort of ME output but with 10-15kg more weight on my frame and just taking fools to the rim next summer. Ive had flashes of it this summer gone but next summer i wont be a 77kg dude anymore. Can't fkn wait. Also like Coges mentions, our refs swallow the whistle when you're a bigger dude so you're expected to finish thru contact without any calls so you better have some meat on your arms to deal with that. YOu can make excuses or you can train hard and make up the difference and thats the approach im taking now.
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