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« Reply #3900 on: August 30, 2017, 03:13:34 am »
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BW: 86.5kg(PR)
Activity: 10k (great)
Misc: Left knee sore
Diet Compliance: 14/14, 0/5, 9/9, 0/2, 3/52

Lol i honestly did not expect my bw to stabilise above 86kg so quickly but there we go. Recovery squats and ohp to come tonight.
Recovery BS 6x90, 6x100
OHP 3x60, 1x65, 1x67.5(PR), 2x65, 3x1x65, 4x57.5, 5x5x55
WCU 3x99.5(+10kg; PR), 3x5x94.5(PR; +5kg), 2x5x92(+2.5kg)
Jump rope
Masaii hops
Seated DB OHP 12x20(PR), 10x20, 8x20

Notes:
It's probably nothing but my left knee is worrying me a little. ive never had any problems with it, so it's strange that it feels off today. Will keep an eye on it.

I also wanna mention that i messed aroudn with tarp bar deadlifts today. Some kids left the bar loaded and i played around with it a bit. Felt okay. i still find setup confusing and im not sure i can do the lift properly off the floor every rep for that reason, but at least RDLs with it wud be worth trying. interesting..

Also the jump rope .. today was different. I was able to go really quick for some reason. What caused it?
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #3901 on: August 31, 2017, 01:14:54 am »
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Jump rope imo is horrible for pure athleticism. Better to just work on fast footwork alone and calf jumps alone than do all that hopping with a rope.....

why horrible? it's a good tool.. for "heavy footed" people, it can really help them get light on their feet. it's great for general coordination, fitness (cardio), body comp (burning cals), learning rhythm, learning to relax, shoulder speed/power/endurance, and can actually get quite intense/complex. There's all kinds of low level reactive exercises you can do with it, just hopping on one leg exclusively for X reps then the other is decent for reactive strength. Sure you could do that without the rope, but the rope also helps force you in some pretty good positions & helps you keep it submax when that's appropriate.

jump rope = great tool IMHO. i'd mostly use it for body comp & conditioning .. for boxing I used it for that, and to help with hand speed/shoulder conditioning. You can definitely tell the difference in the ring/on the bag/on the mitts before/after you get really good at jumping rope.

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« Reply #3902 on: August 31, 2017, 04:27:55 am »
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According to Yessis, the fast feet thing is a myth. All those ladders etc are a waste of time.

I like jump rope because it has an upper body component and i need some kind of upper body speed work and i noticed my basketball game improves when i implement regular jump rope. Think timing for dribbling, blocking, etc.

 Ive been looking for an upper body plyo execise and i haven't found one yet.  I dont really find anything useful about medball stuff. Todday tried to convince me they're useful but i couldn't really observe and improvements came from throws etc. The closest is this drill from calstrength which is doing pushups from 3 plates on the floor. never tried it and it looks boring so idk .. cant be bothered lol. There's kettlebell swings but i cant quite get them right wtih bands and without im not sure how useful it is apart from the hip hinge. just not happy with them

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« Reply #3903 on: August 31, 2017, 04:29:45 am »
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BW: 86.1kg
Activity: 10k
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Diet Compliance: 14/14, 0/5, 9/9, 0/2, 3/52

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« Reply #3904 on: September 01, 2017, 03:06:45 am »
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BW: 86.3kg
Activity: 11
Misc:
Diet Compliance: 14/14, 0/5, 9/9, 0/2, 4/52

Heavy day tonight and get to jump on a bball court for the first time in ageeeeeees

BS 3x120, 3x135(PR), 1x150(PR!), 2x132.5
RDL 8x120, 8x190H(PR)
Tarpbar DL 2x5x120(PR; new exercise)
Jumps
Hill sprints x 9 (PR; +1 rep)
Back Xtn 12x60(PR), 12x60, 10x60
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #3905 on: September 01, 2017, 11:29:38 am »
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Super excited about how the tarpbar is showing me a huge weakness. I don't have the leg strength to move these modest weights, im pumped that by using the very exercise which has exposed this weakness will correct that imbalance. Turns out i have weak legs cos i can't get these things off the ground without a lot of difficulty. And if i had strong legs then i wouldnt be struggling with such light weights in what is a quarter squat position, right? Happy about this discovery. This is how i get across the 35->40" chasm, it wont be backsquats it's tarp bar DL.
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #3906 on: September 02, 2017, 10:20:38 am »
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According to Yessis, the fast feet thing is a myth. All those ladders etc are a waste of time.

I like jump rope because it has an upper body component and i need some kind of upper body speed work and i noticed my basketball game improves when i implement regular jump rope. Think timing for dribbling, blocking, etc.

 Ive been looking for an upper body plyo execise and i haven't found one yet.  I dont really find anything useful about medball stuff. Todday tried to convince me they're useful but i couldn't really observe and improvements came from throws etc. The closest is this drill from calstrength which is doing pushups from 3 plates on the floor. never tried it and it looks boring so idk .. cant be bothered lol. There's kettlebell swings but i cant quite get them right wtih bands and without im not sure how useful it is apart from the hip hinge. just not happy with them

You haven't tried repeated med ball bounces against the wall for speed? It's great. I never really liked throwing them overhead either tbh. A shot put is better.

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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #3907 on: September 02, 2017, 11:01:42 am »
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According to Yessis, the fast feet thing is a myth. All those ladders etc are a waste of time.

I like jump rope because it has an upper body component and i need some kind of upper body speed work and i noticed my basketball game improves when i implement regular jump rope. Think timing for dribbling, blocking, etc.

 Ive been looking for an upper body plyo execise and i haven't found one yet.  I dont really find anything useful about medball stuff. Todday tried to convince me they're useful but i couldn't really observe and improvements came from throws etc. The closest is this drill from calstrength which is doing pushups from 3 plates on the floor. never tried it and it looks boring so idk .. cant be bothered lol. There's kettlebell swings but i cant quite get them right wtih bands and without im not sure how useful it is apart from the hip hinge. just not happy with them

I think you misunderstood the points he was making in his videos. In the first one he's saying that fast/agile feet come from hip movement. Doesn't mean that how fast you move your legs is unimportant, just that it's mostly power of the hips rather the ankles that determines that. But I'm sure ankles shouldn't be overlooked either

In the second one he even says that "agility ladders can be a useful tool". He doesn't explain how but the key is focusing on footwork as you would use it in-game - hard explosive plants rather than mowing through them for max foot speed. But even quick feet can be a good drill for core control and coordination or even just learning the proper body movement and beating it into your head through repetition.

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« Reply #3908 on: September 03, 2017, 12:47:49 pm »
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BW: 86.2kg
Activity: 8.5
Misc:
Diet Compliance: 14/14, 0/5, 9/9, 0/2, 4/4, 0/2

BS 6x100, 6x110
BP 2x90(PR), 2x89.5, 2x89.5, 2x88.5, 2x88.5, 5x75, 5x73.5, 5x74.5, 5x73.5, 5x73.5
Dips 5x98.5, 4x5x93.5
DB incline BP 8x20, 7x70, 7x70, 8x15
Curls

Notes:
That weekend was a complete and utter diet fail. Im going to start over tmr. I just wanna mention that my hams were kinda sore yesterday so maybe the tarp bar deadlifts is telling me not only is my leg strenght non-existent but so are my hams undertrained/weak. who knows tbh. i just see a lot of tarp bar deadlifitng in my future!!!
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« Reply #3909 on: September 03, 2017, 01:26:36 pm »
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Re the movement efficiency posts by acole and FP .. would it help if i ran thru a ladders drill and a medball sequence and put up a video on instagram? Cos i know it will look horrid as im a big slow lumbering dude who has no movement efficiency but im also very skeptical about being able to change that by doing ladders. I think it's more of a test than a builder. which is my default position for things i dont fancy doing :P
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #3910 on: September 03, 2017, 02:26:04 pm »
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Re the movement efficiency posts by acole and FP .. would it help if i ran thru a ladders drill and a medball sequence and put up a video on instagram? Cos i know it will look horrid as im a big slow lumbering dude who has no movement efficiency but im also very skeptical about being able to change that by doing ladders. I think it's more of a test than a builder. which is my default position for things i dont fancy doing :P

I agree for the most part about ladders being a good test for a developed adult. For young kids i'm sure ladders themselves provide more benefit: exposing children to all kinds of intense movements & teaching them how to progress, gets ingrained into their nervous systems. As adults, not so much.

As an adult, getting really good at agility ladders will probably just make you better at ladders, I doubt you'd get much transfer to a sport from it. However, ladders themselves are probably a great warmup. Just like how jump rope is a good warmup - if you can't jump rope like normal, you're still not "awake yet", so slowly working it in and getting your nervous system firing w/ a good feedback mechanism (like the rope itself), is a great way to tell if you are ready to start more intense training. Seems somewhat similar for ladders, it can give you some good feedback whilst not taxing you at all.

IMHO, one of the best ways to improve footwork/agility in sport is to improve overall conditioning and play more sport/practice sport specific drills. Improving fitness is paramount because if you can stay fresher longer, need less time to recover between efforts, give more effort without dying, and last longer, it'll help keep the "domino effect going" & allow you to improve the quality of your movements per session.

A good analogy is boxing (since we're talking about it alot lately). If one gets tired after 3 rounds on the heavy bag (3 minute rounds, 1 minute rest), but your session is 8 rounds, you're going to have reduced quality for 5 rounds. Improved fitness considerably + improved recovery time = more quality rounds on the bag. Once one then hits 8 quality rounds on the bag, they can then start focusing on more advanced work/rest related ratios, like throwing more punches per round in some sessions, throwing less but more intensity, throwing more with more intensity, etc. All of this has fitness/conditioning at it's base, because if that suffers, one isn't going to be able to hold up their hands properly during/after a punch - ie throwing a hard punch but also protecting yourself when you throw it. If you're too tired to protect yourself when throwing a punch, all of those reps add up and ingrain those faulty motor patterns, leaving one more vulnerable in an actual bout. So similar to "footwork" and such, someone looking in from the outside could just think this athlete "doesn't have it" as compared to a more elite boxer, when instead it could be attributed to mastery of core fundamentals in combination with better overall conditioning & attention to those details.

So improving fitness to allow for more intense/better quality training sessions/competition seems to be the desired "loop" that feeds into itself, IMHO.

dno just some quick thoughts & some rambling.

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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #3911 on: September 03, 2017, 06:35:34 pm »
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I agree with ladders being a good warmup but playing your sport/sport drills being the real area where you improve agility. Ideally you would just do footwork drills without ladders but those can be hard to figure out, quantify progress and get the motivation to do that cause you can't tell if you're improving and what to do exactly. Might be a little easier for bball cause there's a lot more definite knowledge about the footwork used than Ultimate.

I still believe you can see direct carryover to sport if you closely replicate sport movements w/ agility ladder. The big ones for Ultimate are crossover+icky, you alternate those, add in accelerations, moving backwards, different body leans, different hip rotations, planting far vs close from your body, hips low vs hips high, cues for explosive plant/fast feet/fast arms/stable torso and you have tons of variations most of which might carry over to game but will definitely tell you something about your mechanics.

Even if ladders aren't the greatest sport specific footwork training tool, I think they are a good diagnostic tool for figuring out flaws in your mechanics and trying to fix them. From my last session I took a bunch of notes, main points being:
-When I try to accelerate out of a backwards icky -> crossover my arm drive gets mixed up and I'll drive my right knee forward along with my right arm. I'm off balance + slower acceleration
-I don't keep my torso stable enough and tend to hunch over forward which puts me at a disadvantage moving backwards, makes it difficult to make a hard change of direction because I overcommit my unstable torso which is hard to recover from
-There's a very technical component to rotating your body and accelerating simultaneously which is what you have to do when doing crossovers.

I guess for basketball you can just set up a 1v1 and play for hours which would be good defensive footwork practice. For Ultimate you can't really do that and make a game out of it, you also tend to not notice your mechanics.
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« Reply #3912 on: September 04, 2017, 02:25:18 am »
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BW: 86.2kg
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Diet Compliance: 14/14, 0/5, 9/9, 0/2, 4/4, 0/2, 1/1

Rest. Decided to start doing some cutting on rest days. Just as damage mitigation for this weekend... i still wanna get to upto 87.5kg but leaner than i am right now.
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« Reply #3913 on: September 05, 2017, 04:13:37 am »
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BW: 86.4kg (PR)
Activity: 10
Misc:
Diet Compliance: 14/14, 0/5, 9/9, 0/2, 4/4, 0/2, 2/2

Squat volume day with 120kg. Yikes.

BS 10x5x120(PR)
BS 10x5x120

Notes:
First session done. It was challenging when the weight is heavy enough that you really have to strain and focus and there's the usual gym crowd doing weird shit like the girl next you on the smith machine doing one leg glute kickbacks, a guy right behind you, "spotting" his gf on squats etc. sucks. the 2nd session shud be better hopefully but sometimes the cleaners come and that's just as bad.

2nd session wasn't easier but i got it done somehow.  But that's a PR for total reps at 100 in 2 sessions of 10 sets of 5 rep sets of 120kg. Now tme to recover and plan what to do next.
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Re: chasing athleticism
« Reply #3914 on: September 05, 2017, 09:37:37 am »
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5 sets of 10 x 120 kg? wow  :ibsquatting:  :highfive:

I read it differently:

10 sets of 5x120kg.

Regardless props on the  :personal-record:
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