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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #5850 on: August 24, 2023, 08:20:06 pm »
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- hills
-- warm up
-- 4 x 2 mins hills w/jog down rest (4:12, 4:18, 4:10, 4:15)
-- cool down
awful, humidity smacked me (T+DI "only" 145 but it's all dew point) and the air quality is really bad today for whatever reason. meant to do six but was starting to feel a little sick to my stomach so i just stopped.
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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #5851 on: August 25, 2023, 03:29:00 pm »
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- run 1:02:21, 9.64 km
T+DI 163 and ran w/fiancée, so this very slow.
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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #5852 on: August 26, 2023, 12:02:13 pm »
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- run 43:16, 8.00 km
did a couple of strides right at the end. hilariously, the garmin clocked my max pace at 2:59/km, which is slower than an elite male marathoner's marathon pace. i know my peak speed was a little higher than that and the garmin is just taking an average but still, lol  :motherofgod:

T+DI 158.
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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #5853 on: August 27, 2023, 06:07:36 pm »
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- run 2:40:38, 25.77 km
felt okay until the last 5-6 km, when i just got too hot. T+DI 152. had to lie on the ground with a bag of frozen fruit over my face and neck for a few minutes after i got home, then took a cold shower and lay down for an hour-plus. it's one thing to do 10k in heat like this. but 16 miles is something else. sore now, too.

ran the same route as the last time i did this distance but in reverse, and i prefer it the other way. the way i did it today loads the climbing in the first and last thirds, with the middle third basically a long, continuous but relatively shallow descent. it's easier to do the steep bits going downhill.
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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #5854 on: August 29, 2023, 08:05:20 pm »
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- tempo
-- warm up
-- 20, 15 @ just over HM pace (4:23 avg, 4:22 avg + 500m kick)
-- cool down
T+DI 150 but even more humid than it's been. this is supposed to be 20, 15, 10 mins but i cut it off early rather than overheat again. did manage to kick a bit at the end, so finished strong.

incidentally, after getting home i noticed that i now have some kind of rash on my leg. can't figure out what it would be from. i don't have any allergies that i know of, other than bee stings, and i don't remember scraping the inside of my thigh on anything. weird.
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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #5855 on: August 31, 2023, 07:42:31 am »
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yesterday

- run ~1 hour, 9.65 km
with fiancée, who was not feeling well. also the left knee thing started bugging me again almost right away and it's back this morning walking around my house and up and down the stairs. very mild, just kind of there. will rest again today.
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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #5856 on: September 03, 2023, 06:40:14 pm »
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yesterday

- run 2:01:18, 19.19 km
pretty hot, this wasn't fun but also not particularly hard.

today

- hike up robertson mountain, ~12 km with about 650m of elevation gain, most of it in a ~2.4 km stretch where you gain 518m. pretty steep! lovely views at the top. we meant to hike up a different mountain but that one has gotten so popular that you need passes now. ended up being a blessing in disguise because it was like 96/36 degrees and the other mountain is a lot more exposed.
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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #5857 on: September 07, 2023, 07:26:24 am »
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yesterday

- run 1:05, 9.7 km
T+DI 162 at 7 PM. ran with fiancée, who has not been feeling well, so took it extra slow. could feel my body struggling to sweat for the first 20 minutes or so, before the sun went all the way down. breaking temperature records in DC this week.
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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #5858 on: September 08, 2023, 07:58:23 am »
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last night

- run 1:43:44, 16.02 km
pretty hot when we started out but actually kind of nice by the time we finished. not even a little bit tired by the end.
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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #5859 on: September 16, 2023, 05:42:58 pm »
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spent the past week at the beach with fam. got in a couple of light runs and one short race-pace workout, which is about as good a taper as i've ever done, lol.

sunday

- run 59:15, 9.65 km

monday

- run 41:16, 6.59 km

thursday

- tempo
-- warm up
-- race pace x 15 mins (averaged just under 4:20/km, and it was hot and humid)
-- cool down

feeling pretty good about the race tomorrow, it's supposed to be decent conditions so hopefully i can get down close to that 1:30 mark! don't think i'm quite fit enough to get under it, but that's okay.
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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #5860 on: September 17, 2023, 11:28:32 am »
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- half marathon race in 1:34:38 (official), 1:33:53 (watch)
pretty disappointed. i set my pace to go out around 4:24 for the first 5 km and then drop down to 4:19 for the rest of the race until trying to go all-out the final km. that would have put me right at 1:31. i am just not even close to as fit as i thought, and in retrospect should have been less ambitious. in the event, only ran one split under 4:20 and never ran under 4:22 after km 10. was holding on for dear life for the last 8 km. less than a minute faster than the HM i did in march. bummer.

focus now turns to the ultra in december, which is a different sort of race. this was a wakeup call that if i want to run under 1:30, i need to switch up my training pretty substantially.

on the plus side, i felt like shit for basically the last 2/3 of the race and didn't quit, although there was a voice in my head telling me to do it. that's good. and i guess it's good to keep some perspective: i finished in the 94th percentile overall and 88th percentile for my demographic (men aged 30-39), with not very consistent training and not nearly enough speed and tempo work.

but damn, hard not to feel bad when i wanted <1:32, thought i had a real shot, and didn't even come close.
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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #5861 on: September 18, 2023, 07:49:08 am »
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I feel your frustration for failing a target but still, 1:33:xx is a damn good time! Those 4 minutes that you are missing are just 11 seconds per km. Could be just the "bad day" effect.
1 minute PR is huge and like you said, with some more focused training you'll be there. Go get it.
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #5862 on: September 22, 2023, 08:35:04 pm »
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Hey so I keep meaning to make an encouraging post but getting stuck between telling you not to be hard on yourself, that you've clearly put the work in, could be situational if you think this run didn't meet expectations
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giving constructive feedback, (maybe review Lyle articles? I don't know that much about aerobic training, his stuff is more in depth than my ex sci textbook), maybe also bang for buck/what specifically needs work in your training organization (the thing you mentioned about not enough speed work for a marathon I wasn't sure about, but you honestly probably know aerobic training/your particular situation better than I do and of course alternating training focus is beneficial in some ways) and if you want to be hard on/critical of yourself I probably shouldn't be trying to convince you otherwise although hope you're still enjoying the running to some degree.

Just also glad that the rest of your life stuff is going, with a serious job, a serious relationship, just hope that your expectations for training take that stuff into account too

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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #5863 on: September 24, 2023, 06:55:29 pm »
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yo thanks FP, the constructive criticism is definitely helpful. it hadn't occurred to me to go back to lyle but that's a good idea. i also just found this guy on youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@drwilloconnor. he's a big advocate of zone/HR-based training, which i think is worth trying after being so preoccupied with pace as a way to structure training. has good videos about everything up to ultras. one of the big takeaways is actually something i remember reading from lyle ages ago: keep the hard days hard and the easy days easy. i don't think i'm doing any "easy" runs too hard, especially since i'm so often running them with my fiancée, but i do think i'm probably not doing the hard ones hard enough.

one other post-HM thought: i need to reintroduce some cross training that's focused on strength and joint range of motion. this has been true for a while but it's time to start, even if it's only 15 minutes a day. i should still have access to the GMB elements workouts and will start with that or an adaptation of it.

rested all this past week, no runs or training of any kind.

- run 1:43:01, 16.02 km
HR averaged 129, although that includes big swings because the route i ran today was a bit hilly. that's right at the low end of where the guy i linked to above recommends for an "easy" run. i was intentionally keeping it low, aiming not to hit 140 even on uphills. consequently, slow: 6:32/km average.
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https://www.savannahstate.edu/cost/nrotc/documents/Inform2010-thearmstrongworkout_Enclosure15_5-2-10.pdf

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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #5864 on: September 25, 2023, 03:38:28 am »
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FWIW i leveled up when i changed my easy days to HR-zone based. HR has to stay below arerobic zone (currently 152bpm for me) at all times. When i exceed it i switch to walking until i am about 10bpm below threshold, then start running again.
In general, I follow a mixed approach now, "normal" runs are pace-based, "hard" runs are effort-based and "slow" runs are HR zone based. Each of those choices seems to work best for the specific workout purpose.
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?