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maxent:
Ohhhhhh i see the source of confusion!  Australia doesn't have a full court pickup culture. I played a full court pickup game in teh US when i visited in 2016 and it was super fun but we don't have anyting like tha here.  I could prob count the number of full court pickup games ive played on one hand, maybe one or two lol. We have played scratch matches but that's rare too (hard to get enough ppl to come down at a given time). That would be super valuable though to be able to play full court simulation at a relaxed pace for training. We only have half court pickup games here and they're next to useless for training. So that's why when i refer to full court competitive games - i mean exactly that, in a league with off-season macho AFL players with too much aggression and very little beauty to their game. It's either full on competitive, im going to play aggressive and physical or half hearted pickup with zero defence - nothing in between. I'm actually giving very little attention to basketball from a training perspective, save the odd shoot around to keep the skills fresh.

adarqui:

--- Quote from: maxent on December 05, 2018, 01:32:38 am ---Ohhhhhh i see the source of confusion!  Australia doesn't have a full court pickup culture. I played a full court pickup game in teh US when i visited in 2016 and it was super fun but we don't have anyting like tha here.  I could prob count the number of full court pickup games ive played on one hand, maybe one or two lol. We have played scratch matches but that's rare too (hard to get enough ppl to come down at a given time). That would be super valuable though to be able to play full court simulation at a relaxed pace for training. We only have half court pickup games here and they're next to useless for training. So that's why when i refer to full court competitive games - i mean exactly that, in a league with off-season macho AFL players with too much aggression and very little beauty to their game. It's either full on competitive, im going to play aggressive and physical or half hearted pickup with zero defence - nothing in between. I'm actually giving very little attention to basketball from a training perspective, save the odd shoot around to keep the skills fresh.

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wow that's nuts LMFAO.

ok ya that makes more sense.. hah.

in the US, it's full court pickup pretty much everywhere you go (at any decent park/gym). around here, you rarely see hype half court games. half court games are usually for groups of people who stay in their own "clique" (ie like 15 people who come to the park to just play half court games with each other), or just people who are less in basketball shape.

fulls however, are very competitive, with people going to different courts & such to get good games. at any good park, they start around ~6:00-6:30 PM and go until ~8:30-9:00 PM. it usually starts with a modified game of "21" with like 20-30 people all playing, trying to get to 5. "first to 5" etc. first two people to 5 get to pick the initial squads (for the 5 on 5 full court). Then everyone scrambles to get "next" or get on a team. Some people just call next right away, before the "first to 5" starts. The best players (obviously) get picked first, and sometimes those squads win the first 2-3 games (versus various teams). It's rare that a squad runs the table all night. Even though people might look fresh, fatigue sets in and they get beat by the sharper players coming in. If you lose the first game, you might have to wait 45-60 minutes before you play again, because "next" can go like 3-4 games deep. But, you may also get picked up by a guy who is leaving his team "open" to snatch a good player from the first set of games etc.. People hate that shit though, other than the person being picked up. LMFAO.

most fulls are played to 11, with 1's (2 pointers) and 2's (3 pointers).

sometimes the first game goes to 15, rest of the games go to 11. that's just some odd shit that sticks around because I guess the "best players" just kind of made that the norm, so they can get in more work during the first game.. and it spread.

the worst part of any full court game is the "standoff", between two teams who disagree on a call. basically someone makes a call, the opposing team doesn't honor it, then they both just go to their separate ends of the court and hold up the entire court until someone gives in. if no one gives in, sometimes half court games start ON THE SAME COURT as the full court, while both sides figure it out. eventually someone gives in, or they shoot for it etc. that's the worst part about streetball pickup games IMHO. I absolutely hated that shit. I'd go practice my left or something until it was worked out. Most people (involved in the game) just sit down on the court to make it evident they don't plan on giving in. If it lasts for a very long time, sometimes people literally get pissed and leave/go home. That scenario happens a few times per week lol.

hah.

yall need that #culture. :ninja:

if AU had that culture, you wouldn't think as much of developing fitness outside of full court games etc.

pc!

LBSS:
lol adarq they literally take their ball and go home! sounds like a bunch of babies. that's one thing i liked about ultimate: you call your own fouls, and if the person you called it against disagrees then the play just resets to whomever was the last person to make a throw. people get chippy and mad about it but the rules have a very clear procedure for what happens in a disagreement so the flow of the game doesn't get interrupted too badly.

Mikey:

--- Quote from: maxent on December 05, 2018, 01:32:38 am ---Ohhhhhh i see the source of confusion!  Australia doesn't have a full court pickup culture. I played a full court pickup game in teh US when i visited in 2016 and it was super fun but we don't have anyting like tha here.  I could prob count the number of full court pickup games ive played on one hand, maybe one or two lol. We have played scratch matches but that's rare too (hard to get enough ppl to come down at a given time). That would be super valuable though to be able to play full court simulation at a relaxed pace for training. We only have half court pickup games here and they're next to useless for training. So that's why when i refer to full court competitive games - i mean exactly that, in a league with off-season macho AFL players with too much aggression and very little beauty to their game. It's either full on competitive, im going to play aggressive and physical or half hearted pickup with zero defence - nothing in between. I'm actually giving very little attention to basketball from a training perspective, save the odd shoot around to keep the skills fresh.

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It's the same in Adelaide and Sydney. Most decent players only play club or social exclusively. The pick up games we play are filled with international students, a few Africans, off season guys like me, and ex-basketball players, and they are usually always 3 on 3 to the 3 point line or 4 on 4 to half court. Whenever we play full court it just turns into a lay up fest. Overall the standard is very poor as there's such a diversity of skill levels. Some players are very good but there are others who play like they have never played an official game in their life. The atmosphere is variable as well depending on the personalities. Usually it's very relaxed and casual but other times there's threats and physical altercations. I'm in a facebook group where we have 50 members and we always post each week where we are going to play. I actually haven't played at all since last year / beginning of this year.

Going to the US is a dream of mine not to play basketball just to travel but it would be cool to see what pick up is like over there. 

adarqui:

--- Quote from: LBSS on December 05, 2018, 11:37:39 pm ---lol adarq they literally take their ball and go home! sounds like a bunch of babies.
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ya it's garbage. stuff like that ruins the game.

fwiw, when I watch pickup futbol matches at the park when i'm running, they have similar breaks in action due to arguments. huge arguments that go on for 10-15 minutes etc. it's ridiculous.

some people just love stirring up shit and causing chaos in pickup.


--- Quote ---that's one thing i liked about ultimate: you call your own fouls, and if the person you called it against disagrees then the play just resets to whomever was the last person to make a throw.
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ah nice.


--- Quote ---people get chippy and mad about it but the rules have a very clear procedure for what happens in a disagreement so the flow of the game doesn't get interrupted too badly.

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yup, that's solid.

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