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Performance Area => Strength, Power, Reactivity, & Speed Discussion => Topic started by: D-Rose Jr on May 08, 2011, 09:55:44 pm
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Is it me or are all the quickest and best athletes good dancers
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Being able to completely relax mucle in between bouts of activation is just as important for speed and quickness as force production. I've likened being quick to being more similar to dancing, and most real world bouts of quickness are largely based moreso on timing, rhythm, and movement contrasts then they are absolute speed. You should be able to see the parallels with dancing.
A better question IMO is why are a disproportionate number of highly intelligent people are inherently terrible dancers.
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Being able to completely relax mucle in between bouts of activation is just as important for speed and quickness as force production. I've likened being quick to being more similar to dancing, and most real world bouts of quickness are largely based moreso on timing, rhythm, and movement contrasts then they are absolute speed. You should be able to see the parallels with dancing.
A better question IMO is why are a disproportionate number of highly intelligent people are inherently terrible dancers.
what?
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A better question IMO is why are a disproportionate number of highly intelligent people are inherently terrible dancers.
why is that. i have never been a good dancer, and would becoming one help my bball game.
If we wanted to go about it what would we do
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Is it me or are all the quickest and best athletes good dancers.
It's just you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucBuV2ifNAM
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who said asafa powell and usain bolt were quick. They may be fast but i dont think they are quick
quick like jeff teague. They are esplosive which doesn't necessarily mean quick
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwposMephTM
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who said asafa powell and usain bolt were quick.
In terms of agility or straight line speed?.
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Being able to completely relax mucle in between bouts of activation is just as important for speed and quickness as force production. I've likened being quick to being more similar to dancing, and most real world bouts of quickness are largely based moreso on timing, rhythm, and movement contrasts then they are absolute speed. You should be able to see the parallels with dancing.
A better question IMO is why are a disproportionate number of highly intelligent people are inherently terrible dancers.
what?
Because highly intelligent people stay at home in front of the computer or books and read and don't "go out" to dance. Dancing is a matter of body control but it still matters how much time you put into it.
If I'm a nerd I don't go out there to make myself a mockery in front of people "learning to dance". Dancing is for monkeys. Wait, what am I trying to say?
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A better question IMO is why are a disproportionate number of highly intelligent people are inherently terrible dancers.
why is that. i have never been a good dancer, and would becoming one help my bball game.
If we wanted to go about it what would we do
I doubt if becoming a good dancer would help your game. The events are correlative, not causative.
Because highly intelligent people stay at home in front of the computer or books and read and don't "go out" to dance. Dancing is a matter of body control but it still matters how much time you put into it.
If I'm a nerd I don't go out there to make myself a mockery in front of people "learning to dance". Dancing is for monkeys. Wait, what am I trying to say?
Ok let me put it another way. Why is it that alcohol undboubtedly helps some people dance, - then think about what that has to do with the mind.
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alcohol helps some people dance because it lowers inhibitions. people who are naturally stiff tend to relax, their movements get freer and they dance better. or at least, perceive that they dance better, because alcohol also skews perception.
so...you're saying that intelligent people are more inhibited than less-intelligent people?
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alcohol helps some people dance because it lowers inhibitions. people who are naturally stiff tend to relax, their movements get freer and they dance better. or at least, perceive that they dance better, because alcohol also skews perception.
so...you're saying that intelligent people are more inhibited than less-intelligent people?
i think this is it.
in sports some people don't think about their movements they just do, for others there's a decision process and they're a step slow...
I think its unconscious vs conscious decision making and smart people tend to be better at the conscious decision making and so do that more often.
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A better question IMO is why are a disproportionate number of highly intelligent people are inherently terrible dancers.
why is that. i have never been a good dancer, and would becoming one help my bball game.
If we wanted to go about it what would we do
I doubt if becoming a good dancer would help your game. The events are correlative, not causative.
Because highly intelligent people stay at home in front of the computer or books and read and don't "go out" to dance. Dancing is a matter of body control but it still matters how much time you put into it.
If I'm a nerd I don't go out there to make myself a mockery in front of people "learning to dance". Dancing is for monkeys. Wait, what am I trying to say?
Ok let me put it another way. Why is it that alcohol undboubtedly helps some people dance, - then think about what that has to do with the mind.
That's a good point... makes them "think less". Maybe more right side of the brain into it.
The more you think about movement, the worse it usually gets.
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good athletes are good athletes because they practice. good dancers are good dancers because they practice. what the fuck does any of this have to do with intelligence.
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good athletes are good athletes because they practice. good dancers are good dancers because they practice. what the fuck does any of this have to do with intelligence.
if you grew up around with black people you notice that the smarter the person is, in most cases the worse they are as a dancer even if they practice.
it is true that practice has something to do with it, but how can you explain little kids who are naturally just drastically quicker but not neceessarily faster than their friends.
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good athletes are good athletes because they practice. good dancers are good dancers because they practice. what the fuck does any of this have to do with intelligence.
if you grew up around with black people you notice that the smarter the person is, in most cases the worse they are as a dancer even if they practice.
this is one of the dumbest fucking things i've ever read in my life.
it is true that practice has something to do with it, but how can you explain little kids who are naturally just drastically quicker but not neceessarily faster than their friends.
maybe they're naturally more talented, or maybe they spend more time running around and changing direction, so they get better at it. i don't know. probably a mix of talent and practice. just like dancing.
neither has any correlation with "intelligence," whatever the fuck that means. jesus christ.
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good athletes are good athletes because they practice. good dancers are good dancers because they practice. what the fuck does any of this have to do with intelligence.
if you grew up around with black people you notice that the smarter the person is, in most cases the worse they are as a dancer even if they practice.
this is one of the dumbest fucking things i've ever read in my life.
it is true that practice has something to do with it, but how can you explain little kids who are naturally just drastically quicker but not neceessarily faster than their friends.
maybe they're naturally more talented, or maybe they spend more time running around and changing direction, so they get better at it. i don't know. probably a mix of talent and practice. just like dancing.
neither has any correlation with "intelligence," whatever the fuck that means. jesus christ.
not necessarily the intelligence but instead whether they are overthinkers or just people that go with the flow. We say intelligent b/c for the most part intelligent people analyze and think a lot
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Dumb people dance better
Black people are better dancers
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Dumb people dance better
Black people are better dancers
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Aw com'on... two premises and an unknown conclusion. Want me to decipher that for you? :D
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Oscillatory Isos and RFI work are good ways to train the ability to instantly turn on/off contractions. Many times athletes that have problems "relaxing" at the right times and then regaining tension when needed can see some great improvement when incorporating this type of work prior to sprinting and jumping.
You will almost always notice a very distinct difference between an athletes svj after performing complexes via jumps and OI's, even if not a big difference in height, the speed and smoothness of the loading portion will usually be much more smooth and performed more quickly.
IMO, the OI's give more time to neurally "learn" the movement pattern, as you have a longer period of time to regain tension. Progression from them into rfi drills usually works VERY well for athletes having trouble "relaxing" at the right times. Guys who have been doing tons of strength work at a slower tempo, especially work using constant tension or slower tempos usually need them the most.
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what is an oscillatory iso.
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That's a good point... makes them "think less". Maybe more right side of the brain into it.
The more you think about movement, the worse it usually gets.
That's what I'm getting at. Dropping thought and just going with the flow doesn't always come natural to people who are used to actively engaging their concious brain in everything. Alcohol can help temper down an overactive frontal cortex which tends to make movement singular and mechanical. The hindbrain (instinctual brain) is where you want to be for bodily movement . A few years back LBS's hero Lyle Mcdonald would even drink Vodka before he skated with the goal of taming his overactive frontal brain so he could become less mechanical on the ice.
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what is an oscillatory iso.
Its gaining full tension at the top of a rep, allowing total relaxation into the eccentric portion, then quickly regaining max tension. Inno sport probably has a different way of doing them or defining them but any reactive/drop catch movement can be used for this purpose. About the only example I could find on youtube, but here is a bss OI, not perfect but you get the general idea.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2csgvXxI5GM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2csgvXxI5GM&feature=player_detailpage
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That's a good point... makes them "think less". Maybe more right side of the brain into it.
The more you think about movement, the worse it usually gets.
That's what I'm getting at. Dropping thought and just going with the flow doesn't always come natural to people who are used to actively engaging their concious brain in everything. Alcohol can help temper down an overactive frontal cortex which tends to make movement singular and mechanical. The hindbrain (instinctual brain) is where you want to be for bodily movement . A few years back LBS's hero Lyle Mcdonald would even drink Vodka before he skated with the goal of taming his overactive frontal brain so he could become less mechanical on the ice.
that's funny about lyle, didn't know that. only came to nutswinging on the tail end of his speed skating days so i missed most of what he wrote about his own training. closest thing i could find in a quick look around his forum was a joking suggestion to add "russian"-style events to speed skating meets, where you'd take a shot of vodka between every lap. would love to see where he actually talked about drinking while training, that would be funny.
you're still wrong, though. overactive frontal cortex* does not equal "intelligence"**. and anyway, you didn't contradict what i said. lowered inhibition and reduced overthinking are close to the same thing in my experience, especially when it comes to dancing. what does any of this have to do with "intelligence"?
back to your original question, though, and even taking "intelligence" at face value, where on earth did you get the idea that more-intelligent people tend to be worse dancers than less-intelligent people? that doesn't make sense and is not at all true in my experience.
petey0109, since when are "people that go with the flow" less "intelligent" than "overthinkers" or "overthinkers" necessarily more "intelligent" than everyone else?
also, since when did the bar for "good dancer" get set at "not being really jerky"? i can move in time to music, even sober. my movements get looser when i'm drunk, i think, but that doesn't make me a good dancer. in fact, trying to do any kind of coordinated dance gets HARDER when i'm drunk. i do care less that i'm not good at it, though. so there's that.
*relative to what? what's a normal level of cortical activity? what's subnormal and supernormal? why do those states exist? do they exist to a greater degree or more frequently in some people than others? why? how many people fall into each category? what effect do those differences have on movement? honest questions for which i'd be very curious to see answers.
**"intelligence" doesn't exist as a singular trait that you can isolate and measure, so is completely meaningless for any kind of comparative purpose. what do you mean by it?
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Let me ask you something else Kelly:
Would you expect an inhibited person (the one that doesn't dance well when people are around) to dance better alone at home for example, with only himself as a "spectator"? I would.
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That's a good point... makes them "think less". Maybe more right side of the brain into it.
The more you think about movement, the worse it usually gets.
That's what I'm getting at. Dropping thought and just going with the flow doesn't always come natural to people who are used to actively engaging their concious brain in everything. Alcohol can help temper down an overactive frontal cortex which tends to make movement singular and mechanical. The hindbrain (instinctual brain) is where you want to be for bodily movement . A few years back LBS's hero Lyle Mcdonald would even drink Vodka before he skated with the goal of taming his overactive frontal brain so he could become less mechanical on the ice.
that's funny about lyle, didn't know that. only came to nutswinging on the tail end of his speed skating days so i missed most of what he wrote about his own training. closest thing i could find in a quick look around his forum was a joking suggestion to add "russian"-style events to speed skating meets, where you'd take a shot of vodka between every lap. would love to see where he actually talked about drinking while training, that would be funny.
you're still wrong, though. overactive frontal cortex* does not equal "intelligence"**. and anyway, you didn't contradict what i said. lowered inhibition and reduced overthinking are close to the same thing in my experience, especially when it comes to dancing. what does any of this have to do with "intelligence"?
back to your original question, though, and even taking "intelligence" at face value, where on earth did you get the idea that more-intelligent people tend to be worse dancers than less-intelligent people? that doesn't make sense and is not at all true in my experience.
petey0109, since when are "people that go with the flow" less "intelligent" than "overthinkers" or "overthinkers" necessarily more "intelligent" than everyone else?
also, since when did the bar for "good dancer" get set at "not being really jerky"? i can move in time to music, even sober. my movements get looser when i'm drunk, i think, but that doesn't make me a good dancer. in fact, trying to do any kind of coordinated dance gets HARDER when i'm drunk. i do care less that i'm not good at it, though. so there's that.
*relative to what? what's a normal level of cortical activity? what's subnormal and supernormal? why do those states exist? do they exist to a greater degree or more frequently in some people than others? why? how many people fall into each category? what effect do those differences have on movement? honest questions for which i'd be very curious to see answers.
**"intelligence" doesn't exist as a singular trait that you can isolate and measure, so is completely meaningless for any kind of comparative purpose. what do you mean by it?
You're really overthinking things here. People that demonstrate increased frontal lobe functioning think about the consequences of their actions and are apt to plan shit out. They're generally going to be observed to be more intelligent than their hindbrain dominant coutnerparts because they're more than likely have taken their education serious done their homeword, studied for tests, etc. That's different than IQ but apparently everyone here except for you knew what I meant. If you can't see that the prototypical nerd is not inherently great at stuff like dancing you really need to get out more. Considering you're the same guy who asked what a black person is I shouldn't be surprised.
Let me ask you something else Kelly:
Would you expect an inhibited person (the one that doesn't dance well when people are around) to dance better alone at home for example, with only himself as a "spectator"? I would
Hell if I know. Not something I've thought about that much, but yeah you're probably right.
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good athletes are good athletes because they practice. good dancers are good dancers because they practice. what the fuck does any of this have to do with intelligence.
if you grew up around with black people you notice that the smarter the person is, in most cases the worse they are as a dancer even if they practice.
this is one of the dumbest fucking things i've ever read in my life.
X2, WTFFFFFFFFFF I've never read someone say something so stupid so seriously
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That explains why I'm such a terrible dancer.
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good athletes are good athletes because they practice. good dancers are good dancers because they practice. what the fuck does any of this have to do with intelligence.
if you grew up around with black people you notice that the smarter the person is, in most cases the worse they are as a dancer even if they practice.
this is one of the dumbest fucking things i've ever read in my life.
X2, WTFFFFFFFFFF I've never read someone say something so stupid so seriously
I've heard this a million times, and it's true enough to be a stereotype.
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You're really overthinking things here. People that demonstrate increased frontal lobe functioning think about the consequences of their actions and are apt to plan shit out. They're generally going to be observed to be more intelligent than their hindbrain dominant coutnerparts because they're more than likely have taken their education serious done their homeword, studied for tests, etc. That's different than IQ but apparently everyone here except for you knew what I meant. If you can't see that the prototypical nerd is not inherently great at stuff like dancing you really need to get out more. Considering you're the same guy who asked what a black person is I shouldn't be surprised.
Of course the prototypical nerd is bad at dancing. That's part of being a prototypical nerd -- social awkwardness. But not all people who are good in school or good at taking tests are prototypical nerds. In fact, most probably aren't. Some of the best dancers that I've known in my life have also been brilliant students, good at standardized tests, etc. These are people who can plan, delay gratification, dedicate themselves to something and focus on getting better at it over time. Some have dedicated themselves to dancing so they're really good dancers. Surprise!
Most of those good dancers are girls because girls are less likely to get called fags for dancing when they're younger, so they get a head start on PRACTICING dance. Dudes from cultures where male dancing is appreciated may be school-smart as shit and also good dancers because -- surprise! -- they started dancing earlier, got positive encouragement to dance and PRACTICED a lot. Even if totally informally, they got encouraged to move to music as little kids so they learned how to do it without looking like spazzes. See: lots of Brazilians.
"Black" a social construct that means something like, "of African descent," and so is useless as a basis for comparing "inherent" traits. If you looked at a black guy from Detroit and a Kenyan walking down the street, you'd call them both black (so would I, we're both American so that's what we see). But there is probably less cultural and genetic similarity between the two of them than between you and me or me and Vladimir Putin. That's the point I was trying to make but which was apparently lost. And that's why the psoas study you cited is so silly -- "black" has no genetic meaning. It's interesting that the black group had bigger PMA's than the white group, but not because they're black.
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That's all fine but that's what I'm getting at with you overthinking everything. On a VJ and speed forum when someone says "black" they're generally not referring to Kenyan americans. I think you knew that. When the OP mentioned dancing he's not referring to professional dancers or anyone whose ever received professional dance training. Take a group of untrained people and have them dance (or do any other physical maneuver) and you get a look at what type of people are inherently good at it and which ones aren't. Same goes with artwork or any other skill. There are exceptions to everything but look at general tendencies.
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That's all fine but that's what I'm getting at with you overthinking everything. On a VJ and speed forum when someone says "black" they're generally not referring to Kenyan americans. I think you knew that. When the OP mentioned dancing he's not referring to professional dancers or anyone whose ever received professional dance training. Take a group of untrained people and have them dance (or do any other physical maneuver) and you get a look at what type of people are inherently good at it and which ones aren't. Same goes with artwork or any other skill. There are exceptions to everything but look at general tendencies.
Translation: if a guy puts a gun at your head and says "of these 100 people, choose a guy that you think dances well. If he doesn't, you die" you, whoever you are, will pick a black guy.
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That's all fine but that's what I'm getting at with you overthinking everything. On a VJ and speed forum when someone says "black" they're generally not referring to Kenyan americans. I think you knew that. When the OP mentioned dancing he's not referring to professional dancers or anyone whose ever received professional dance training. Take a group of untrained people and have them dance (or do any other physical maneuver) and you get a look at what type of people are inherently good at it and which ones aren't. Same goes with artwork or any other skill. There are exceptions to everything but look at general tendencies.
i'm overthinking it because you're so dramatically underthinking it that you're actually completely wrong. why i'm still arguing with you is a mystery as you're basically ignoring what i write.
your argument -- and it's by no means unique to you, obviously; it's a pervasive stereotype -- boils down to: "i have seen these people who jump high and are fast and also they are black, as defined by me. therefore, black people are, in general, naturally able to jump high and fast, as compared to whites or other races/ethnic groups."
close analogue: "black people are incarcerated at higher rates than other ethnic groups in the US. therefore, black people are inherently likelier to commit crimes than other ethnic groups." same thing.
or another close analogue: "children of recent chinese and korean immigrants often excel in school. therefore, in general, they are naturally smarter than other ethnic groups."
also, i know what the OP meant by dancing and my point was that people who are good dancers are people who started practicing dance as little kids. not all of those people started out with ballet or got professional training, duh. some of them just always danced: they saw adults dancing at family parties, so they danced, too. then, when they got older, they didn't look like complete fuckups dancing at parties. that seems much more likely than your argument: "stereotypical nerds, as defined by me, are usually not good at dancing and tend to overthink things. therefore, less intelligent people, also as defined by me, who i declare don't overthink things as much, are better at dancing." that makes no goddamn sense.
i mean, it's entirely possible that all people with skin tone and facial features that fall into the U.S.-invented category "black" are more likely to be good leapers and runners than people whose skin tone and features fall into other parts of the spectrum. and it's entirely possible that dumb people are better dancers than smart people, as defined however you want. but i doubt it.
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cum hoc ergo propter hoc logical fallacy
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That's all fine but that's what I'm getting at with you overthinking everything. On a VJ and speed forum when someone says "black" they're generally not referring to Kenyan americans. I think you knew that. When the OP mentioned dancing he's not referring to professional dancers or anyone whose ever received professional dance training. Take a group of untrained people and have them dance (or do any other physical maneuver) and you get a look at what type of people are inherently good at it and which ones aren't. Same goes with artwork or any other skill. There are exceptions to everything but look at general tendencies.
your argument -- and it's by no means unique to you, obviously; it's a pervasive stereotype -- boils down to: "i have seen these people who jump high and are fast and also they are black, as defined by me. therefore, black people are, in general, naturally able to jump high and fast, as compared to whites or other races/ethnic groups."
There have been multiple studies showing that young males of west african descent (generally what is referred to in the US as "black") in the US tend to have lower body fat, perform slightly better on sprint and strength tests than their white counterparts etc...
Yes, there are greater variations within the groups than between them but to pretend there is no variation between them is foolish.
I don't know for the dancing--I suspect it is mostly for cultural reasons (as is the success of asian-americans in the arts/school)
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LBSS,
Now you're creating a strawmen. I never said blacks were better dancers and I never said dumb people were better dancers. I said people thought to be highly intelligent that think a lot generally aren't good dancers (or good athletes). Make a list of the worlds 100 greatest thinkers and its relatively unlikely they were ever tearing it up on the dance floor at any age, with or without practice. Regardless of skin color. The evolution of the human brain particularly with regards to front brain development does help to explain why, if you link that with movement skills.
On another note you would do well to read "Global Bell Curve" by Richard Lynn.
There have been multiple studies showing that young males of west african descent (generally what is referred to in the US as "black") in the US tend to have lower body fat, perform slightly better on sprint and strength tests than their white counterparts etc...
And have better motor skill development at any given age.
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LBSS,
Now you're creating a strawmen. I never said blacks were better dancers and I never said dumb people were better dancers. I said people thought to be highly intelligent that think a lot generally aren't good dancers (or good athletes). And they aren't. Regardless of skin color. The evolution of the human brain particularly with regards to front brain development does explain why if you link that with movement skills.
okay, fair enough. you never actually said that dumb(er) people were better dancers than (more) intelligent people. but that's a pretty logical next step from "more intelligent people tend to be worse dancers." i mean, if they're worse dancers, then they have to be, well, worse than somebody. because your category was "more intelligent people," then by default the compared-to category is "less intelligent people." i mean, right? is "less intelligent people" not basically the same as "dumber" people? if not, forgive my laziness earlier. i should have changed all references to "dumb" or "dumber" people to "less intelligent people," to be more in keeping with your original statement.
i never said in my responses that you'd said that black people were better dancers, but i think i get why you thought i was implying that. for the record, i was thinking of, among other people, this unbelievably nerdy guy (the dude went to st. john's college: they learn calculus by reading principia mathematica) i met at a wedding recently who was cleaning UP with the bridesmaids and other female guests because he'd started swing dancing when he was a kid and never stopped. not that he was even swing dancing at the wedding, he was just dancing. panties were flying off all around him. if i didn't already have a girlfriend to dance with my clumsy ass and then have sex with me later, i would have been envious as shit.
the point is, you're still just making the strange, possibly true (but probably not) conjecture that people who "think a lot" or who are "thought to be highly intelligent" are not as good dancers as people who "think less," as defined by yourself. and i'm telling you that whether they're "thought to be intelligent" is probably completely irrelevant to whether they're good dancers or not. to my mind, unless you can prove it in some way other than a casual reference to "the evolution of the human brain with regards to front brain development" (what does that even mean?), then you're just babbling.
also, lamp, "young males of west african descent" =/= "black people." barack obama is also referred to as black, but he's half kenyan and half white (irish). if you can link to those studies, i'd love to see them. "young males of west african descent" is at least a somewhat defined category. ffs.
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Intersting discussion.
Social/cultural upbringing has a lot to do with frontal lobe activation. In order to dance well, one cannot think too hard, and it is true then that intelligence would impede dancing ability, since the overactive left-brain activity would inhibit the creative spontaneous right brain activity. That is a bit simplified, but in that sense it's true, in a general population, that intelligent people may be thinking too much and therefore might fail at dancing.
On the converse, anyone can learn to quiet the brain through meditation, or intense dance practice, so after that the more intelligent people might be better dancers in their ability to think of new dance moves in their head, and visualize it. Less "intelligent" people, intelligent being a left-brained function in this context, would use other abilities like kinesthetic skills to figure out new dance moves. So another argument would be what is the best way to learn dance? Through analytical/spatial reasoning or more kinesthetic "feel" based reasoning? The latter is my hypothesis based on very little experience in dancing. In that sense, more creative but less "inteligent" people would be better dancers because of their heightened ability to "feel" with right-brained functions.
Again starting at a young age is the most important factor. The type of dancing bolt and powell are doing in the videos shared are not really very quick by any means though and they don't look like very good dancers anyway. Usain bolt did one move over and over again.
Something like cwalking takes some intelligence, and you see a lot of asians excelling in it. Lol not that all asians are smart, not trying to start something else over here
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I'm starting to think I'm one of the smartest people on the planet.
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That's all fine but that's what I'm getting at with you overthinking everything. On a VJ and speed forum when someone says "black" they're generally not referring to Kenyan americans. I think you knew that. When the OP mentioned dancing he's not referring to professional dancers or anyone whose ever received professional dance training. Take a group of untrained people and have them dance (or do any other physical maneuver) and you get a look at what type of people are inherently good at it and which ones aren't. Same goes with artwork or any other skill. There are exceptions to everything but look at general tendencies.
i'm overthinking it because you're so dramatically underthinking it that you're actually completely wrong. why i'm still arguing with you is a mystery as you're basically ignoring what i write.
your argument -- and it's by no means unique to you, obviously; it's a pervasive stereotype -- boils down to: "i have seen these people who jump high and are fast and also they are black, as defined by me. therefore, black people are, in general, naturally able to jump high and fast, as compared to whites or other races/ethnic groups."
close analogue: "black people are incarcerated at higher rates than other ethnic groups in the US. therefore, black people are inherently likelier to commit crimes than other ethnic groups." same thing.
or another close analogue: "children of recent chinese and korean immigrants often excel in school. therefore, in general, they are naturally smarter than other ethnic groups."
also, i know what the OP meant by dancing and my point was that people who are good dancers are people who started practicing dance as little kids. not all of those people started out with ballet or got professional training, duh. some of them just always danced: they saw adults dancing at family parties, so they danced, too. then, when they got older, they didn't look like complete fuckups dancing at parties. that seems much more likely than your argument: "stereotypical nerds, as defined by me, are usually not good at dancing and tend to overthink things. therefore, less intelligent people, also as defined by me, who i declare don't overthink things as much, are better at dancing." that makes no goddamn sense.
i mean, it's entirely possible that all people with skin tone and facial features that fall into the U.S.-invented category "black" are more likely to be good leapers and runners than people whose skin tone and features fall into other parts of the spectrum. and it's entirely possible that dumb people are better dancers than smart people, as defined however you want. but i doubt it.
Nope, because black people in general are more athletic than white people in all cultures. Black people who don't live in poverty probably have a similar crime rate to whites, but I'd have to see the studies. Chinese and Korean immigrants excel in school because they value it higher. That's a hard one to compare because you can't compare natural intelligence, but you can compare natural athleticism.
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most black males in the us are of west african descent...FACT
I will try to find the studies
LBSS,
Now you're creating a strawmen. I never said blacks were better dancers and I never said dumb people were better dancers. I said people thought to be highly intelligent that think a lot generally aren't good dancers (or good athletes). And they aren't. Regardless of skin color. The evolution of the human brain particularly with regards to front brain development does explain why if you link that with movement skills.
okay, fair enough. you never actually said that dumb(er) people were better dancers than (more) intelligent people. but that's a pretty logical next step from "more intelligent people tend to be worse dancers." i mean, if they're worse dancers, then they have to be, well, worse than somebody. because your category was "more intelligent people," then by default the compared-to category is "less intelligent people." i mean, right? is "less intelligent people" not basically the same as "dumber" people? if not, forgive my laziness earlier. i should have changed all references to "dumb" or "dumber" people to "less intelligent people," to be more in keeping with your original statement.
i never said in my responses that you'd said that black people were better dancers, but i think i get why you thought i was implying that. for the record, i was thinking of, among other people, this unbelievably nerdy guy (the dude went to st. john's college: they learn calculus by reading principia mathematica) i met at a wedding recently who was cleaning UP with the bridesmaids and other female guests because he'd started swing dancing when he was a kid and never stopped. not that he was even swing dancing at the wedding, he was just dancing. panties were flying off all around him. if i didn't already have a girlfriend to dance with my clumsy ass and then have sex with me later, i would have been envious as shit.
the point is, you're still just making the strange, possibly true (but probably not) conjecture that people who "think a lot" or who are "thought to be highly intelligent" are not as good dancers as people who "think less," as defined by yourself. and i'm telling you that whether they're "thought to be intelligent" is probably completely irrelevant to whether they're good dancers or not. to my mind, unless you can prove it in some way other than a casual reference to "the evolution of the human brain with regards to front brain development" (what does that even mean?), then you're just babbling.
also, lamp, "young males of west african descent" =/= "black people." barack obama is also referred to as black, but he's half kenyan and half white (irish). if you can link to those studies, i'd love to see them. "young males of west african descent" is at least a somewhat defined category. ffs.
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Black people have better elasticity, hence speed & vert.
I feel blessed. I have discovered the one quality what makes black people fast. The cheetah has the same distinct quality/feature, whites don't. It seems I'm the only guy on the planet who has discovered it. :strong:
I actually apply the principal to my sprint training.
It torques the tendons. :strong: :highfive:
what do the pictures you posted have to do with your post?
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i went to an "all white area today" to dunk, some indoor gym, 2 black dudes there like 30 white people.. black dudes were "trying to dunk", they couldnt even touch the rim.
just felt like sharing.
pc
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i went to an "all white area today" to dunk, some indoor gym, 2 black dudes there like 30 white people.. black dudes were "trying to dunk", they couldnt even touch the rim.
just felt like sharing.
pc
Just don't dance with those two guys.
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2 black dudes there like 30 white people.. black dudes were "trying to dunk", they couldnt even touch the rim.
That's why they were hanging out at the "all white" gym.
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2 black dudes there like 30 white people.. black dudes were "trying to dunk", they couldnt even touch the rim.
That's why they were hanging out at the "all white" gym.
lmfao yup.. i can't recall ever being in a gym like that.. usually wherever I go i'm one of only a few white people. One thing I found interesting was how smiley everyone was. For example, people were laughing during the game. After foul calls, people would smile and stuff. People would dribble down the court with a smile on their face...
Normally when I go to a court, games are pretty heated.. lots of hard fouls and occasional face-offs where people are almost going to fight but it's broken up.. The games themselves are very intense, then after the game everyone chills..
Who knows it was just one experience but, it definitely was night & day.
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2 black dudes there like 30 white people.. black dudes were "trying to dunk", they couldnt even touch the rim.
That's why they were hanging out at the "all white" gym.
lmfao yup.. i can't recall ever being in a gym like that.. usually wherever I go i'm one of only a few white people. One thing I found interesting was how smiley everyone was. For example, people were laughing during the game. After foul calls, people would smile and stuff. People would dribble down the court with a smile on their face...
Normally when I go to a court, games are pretty heated.. lots of hard fouls and occasional face-offs where people are almost going to fight but it's broken up.. The games themselves are very intense, then after the game everyone chills..
Who knows it was just one experience but, it definitely was night & day.
So... you summed up black vs white attitude? That explains a lot.
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I wonder what tests they used for the motor skill development
LBSS,
Now you're creating a strawmen. I never said blacks were better dancers and I never said dumb people were better dancers. I said people thought to be highly intelligent that think a lot generally aren't good dancers (or good athletes). Make a list of the worlds 100 greatest thinkers and its relatively unlikely they were ever tearing it up on the dance floor at any age, with or without practice. Regardless of skin color. The evolution of the human brain particularly with regards to front brain development does help to explain why, if you link that with movement skills.
On another note you would do well to read "Global Bell Curve" by Richard Lynn.
There have been multiple studies showing that young males of west african descent (generally what is referred to in the US as "black") in the US tend to have lower body fat, perform slightly better on sprint and strength tests than their white counterparts etc...
And have better motor skill development at any given age.