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High squat, low VJ?

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Rix:
So I was talking to a guy who used to be on the track team for my school. According to him, and all these numbers seemed legit, he was 6ft flat and about 200lbs. His max squat was 365lbs and he was deadlifting about 400 when he was on the team. So pretty solid numbers. Now watching him do some vert measuring I was extremely surprised to see how low his vert was. From a standstill, he was probably about 4 inches short of the rim. Now I'm guessing like a 7'7" or 7'8" reach, not sure on that. He definitely didn't have ridiculously short arms though. Running, he hit 1-2" over the rim.
I was so surprised because I thought first of all that his standing vert would be much higher, and second that the difference between his standing and running (double-legged) wouldn't be as high as it was because he was strength jumper.
So what I'm wondering is, how is it that someone can squat 365 and be so far from touching the rim from a stand still? How can you explain the difference between standing and running vert?
He said that he never did his lifts explosively and that he put on slow-twitch muscles, hence the lack of pop in his jumps. But wouldn't the strength from his high lifts compensate for that?

Overall just confused by his stats and seeing as I'm starting up with similar lifts, I don't want to end up with no explosiveness like him!

LBSS:
First of all, 365 squat at 200 lbs isn't all that great a squat. Nor is 400 DL. Second of all, yes, pure strength training can leave you unexplosive. Take me, for example. Months of Starting Strength got my squat up to 320 and DL up to 360 at 170 lbs. Not great numbers but relatively stronger than your teammate. And I went from barely being able to touch the rim off a full run-up to barely being able to touch the rim off a run-up (my reach is 7'6"). Not to say that didn't provide me with a better base to build athletic improvements on later than I might have had. Just saying focusing on one aspect of vert won't necessarily get you a good vert.

Long story short: getting strong is good but not the whole story. Unless you're a powerlifter.

DamienZ:

--- Quote from: Rix on November 29, 2010, 02:11:15 pm ---He said that he never did his lifts explosively and that he put on slow-twitch muscles, hence the lack of pop in his jumps.

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Nope, you can't do that. The fibers with most growth potential are the fast twitch fibers and even if you lift slow, your fast twitch fibers are used.

Train to be explosive, get high reactivity and RFD and get really strong = high jump!

vag:
http://www.higher-faster-sports.com/DifferentStrokes.html

steven-miller:
Nothing extraordinary really. For more advanced people than novices there has to be lifts that help "transfer" gained strength in the squat to explosive movements. The squat builds the foundation and more specific, meaning explosive, exercises will have to be used to really benefit in the jump department. First step would be to include powercleans and see how far you can get with that.

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