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scoobychau

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Teaching my Girl to Run/Sprint
« on: September 20, 2017, 10:03:55 pm »
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Preparing for a 800m race.
I got the info from others that we should train 100m 200m and 400m 
(instead of running 800m over and over)

So I am teaching my girl to do the 100m and 200m.

I told her to have LONG big Step, High Knee, and STRONG arm swing back and forth,  look fwd. not upward. and not to have side to side head movment.

every thing seems alright.

Until i saw this:
how come this professional runner... Swing their arm Outward...
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjejTQdK5OI" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjejTQdK5OI</a>

i teach my girl to swin her arm front and back and never side to side..
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Re: Teaching my Girl to Run/Sprint
« Reply #1 on: September 20, 2017, 10:42:19 pm »
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by messing with her form, you're probably going to do more harm than good. if you're going to try and help her form, focus on only one small thing at a time.

this goes back to our recent convo... do you think you are helping or hurting by making her think of all of these things when she runs? and, how do you know they are correct?

the best cue in there that I see is to not look upward. telling her to swing her arms back and forth hard could cause her to rotate and go crazy etc.

i'd start with the "where to look cue" and then just have her run hard. not sure what kind of shape she is in, so no idea about the actual intervals she should do.

but, to clarify, are you preparing her for 800 or 100/200 ?

if i could unlearn anything when running, it would be thinking about my form when running. it's literally the worst thing that's ever gone into my head. it's torture. I don't want to think about any of that. it's a waste of brain power. Having a clear mind is much more powerful than thinking about what my footstrike is doing, how my hands are positioned, my stride length, how i'm breathing etc. If I could empty my mind completely, I would. I don't want to think about ANYTHING. So, from a runner who has thought about form and still does, I made more progress when I stopped (try to stop) thinking about form and just ran hard.

personally, i say stop focusing on it. just run or jump often, run and jump hard, and have fun. If you really want her to get better form instruction from the onset, find a professional track & field coach, someone with lots of experience. They'll probably do drills which try and correct some of the things you are seeing, but then they will also just let them run hard and let the drills slowly take effect.

the more we run, the stronger & more efficient we get. these improvements end up correcting all kinds of things that we shouldn't be trying to correct manually.

my 2 cents!

btw as for jumping: I never thought about form. People told me to do all kinds of stuff but I ignored them. I just jumped HARD, aggressive, gave everything.. My jump form improved over time, as I got stronger & put more reps in. Wish I had taken this approach with running. When I ran during boxing, I didn't think about form. Sometimes the "smarter" you get, the more detrimental it is.

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Re: Teaching my Girl to Run/Sprint
« Reply #2 on: September 21, 2017, 10:25:04 am »
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The best way to improve running is by running especially with kids. Don't even worry about technique just keep it simple. With sprinting just tell her not to look behind her and focus on looking straight. If she clenches her fists when she runs try and encourage her to run without her fists clenched. Just simple things like that. Don't say anything about knee lift, arm motion, running at x% or anything just focus on her putting in 100% effort. It's all about work capacity. The best way to get good at running 800m is to run 800m once a week at 100% effort.  Same as any other distance. As kids you want to make it enjoyable and for them to have fun. The worst thing you can do is make running a chore. Keep it natural. Honestly with athletics technique really doesn't play a factor until athletes are on the verge of professional.
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Re: Teaching my Girl to Run/Sprint
« Reply #3 on: September 21, 2017, 10:34:07 am »
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In Australia we have Little Athletics for track and field. Basically once a week in summer junior athletes from the area all get together and compete against one another in various track and field events e.g. 100m, long jump, shot put 800m. The alternative week will be 200m, high jump, discuss, 400m. Because they are competing against other kids they always put in 100% effort and this helps them improve their own performances and gives them the experience to be able to strategise themselves in the events. If Hong Kong has anything similar that would be the best avenue towards improving your daughter's running/sprinting. It's fun, she makes friends, and she improves on her times and gets fit.
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Re: Teaching my Girl to Run/Sprint
« Reply #4 on: September 21, 2017, 03:30:48 pm »
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Exactly what mutumbo said. The best way to learn when new to running is to do a lot of running.

T0dddayyy mentioned doing 5 reps of 100m everyday until you see an improvement in your time. Also they develop these techniques automatically, but technical aspects should only be done in drills i.e. a walk, a skip and a run, that is a useful drill to follow if you want her to have high knees, arm swings back and forth. But never in actual runs as you don't want to concentrate, you just run.

Drills put the technique in place so when you run, they occur naturally.
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Re: Teaching my Girl to Run/Sprint
« Reply #5 on: September 21, 2017, 06:41:25 pm »
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great stuff by Mutumbo & seifullaah!

also, some more posts related to this, that went into my journal because I used lots of self-reflection unrelated to this .. but still relevant and helpful!

http://www.adarq.org/progress-journals-experimental-routines/adarq's-journal/msg135290/#msg135290

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Re: Teaching my Girl to Run/Sprint
« Reply #6 on: September 21, 2017, 06:48:40 pm »
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i guess at the end of all of this, my take home point would be: don't look first to technique for anything running, jumping, or sprinting related. First look towards having fun and getting the reps/work in.

by reaching for technique first, what we think may be magical, could actually be poison. So just avoid it for a while and just get natural improvements via fun, hard work.

if one is going to try and change some technique, just try and change one thing at a time... also if possible, try to avoid getting someone to focus on cues while they are actually performing the main movement! instead, use drills that would subtly change/improve these things, perhaps without the subject/athlete even realizing it could be helping their target movement.

when coaching technique etc, i think it's very important that the one coaching, knows that the athlete will try and correct as much as possible, so getting them to fix things WHILE THEY ARE PERFORMING their main movement, could have them overthinking at literally every stride, runup, jump, etc. This can become toxic .. and IMHO, it's best to try and avoid getting someone thinking about this stuff at all. The best way to do it would be to utilize drills outside of the main movement that aim to correct, and then allow the athlete to perform with a clear, focused mind.

safe, progressive, fun, free/clear/foused mind, & somewhat frequent (not every day, rest/relaxed/light days are important) challenging training for children and barely teens, (and most adults) is the way to go.

quick 2 cents/recap from my perspective.

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Re: Teaching my Girl to Run/Sprint
« Reply #7 on: September 23, 2017, 10:47:05 am »
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THanks to all who try to give me suggestion.
we just did a 400m trail.  will do it one more time next week.

the event is actually 800m on Oct2

i will try to make it less complicated like u guys suggested.

just sharing some footage.

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Re: Teaching my Girl to Run/Sprint
« Reply #8 on: September 23, 2017, 01:19:03 pm »
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Major lolz, man she's 6yo or so??? Just enjoy your time with her and try and have her build a love of running. Down the road, if she's into it you can involve her with clubs and give additional instructions and so forth.

With travel soccer, 8yo is the earliest I've seen players really have the body awareness to take some instruction with the ability to retain it. 9 and 10yo you start to see it more and more and some of the better athletes will develop clean running mechanics (limited wasted motion). By 11 & 12 yo, most of the athletes I've seen training for 2-3 years will have developed pretty good body awareness and descent running mechanics.

But yea man my advice would be to really enjoy your time with her now. I've seen so many parents get worked up and yell at their kids at an age where they still have limited control of what they're doing that it's crazy. Not that it's really acceptable at any age. If she really enjoys running and wants to be competitive I'd say 9-10 is probably the age to join a club
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