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Re: Random Strength and Conditioning Posts/Articles/Info That I Like
« Reply #15 on: April 01, 2011, 04:00:49 pm »
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Yuri Verkhoshansky on Squatting



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« Reply #16 on: April 01, 2011, 11:06:32 pm »
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adarq on bb.com, turns a semi retarded template into a very good plyo set up.




Critique My Plyo Workout (1.3k)
1A. High Object Touch - 3 reps
1B. Broad jumps - 3 reps
^ wearing 20 lb weighted vest, 6-8 sets.

2A. Box Jumps - 3 x 5
2B. Depth Jumps - 3 x 5
^ wearing a weighted vest

3A. Jumping Tucks - 3 x 6
3B. Knee Jumps - 3 x 6
^ wearing a weighted vest

4. Agility Ladder workout and maybe some burpees.

Look good? i also do squats, cleans, push jerks, etc. so the lifting is taken care of, im
cutting in a week so im trying to get everything down. this is a cardio / plyo workout.
i will also be working my core at the end.






FIXED VERY NICELY...





4. Agility Ladder warmup

1A. High Object Touch - 3 reps
1B. Broad jumps - 2 reps
1-info: 3-4 sets

2B. Depth Jumps - 3 x 5
^ bodyweight, no weighted vest

3A. Jumping Tucks - 5 x Technical Failure
3B. Stiff leg ankle hops submax - 5 x Technical Failure



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Re: Random Strength and Conditioning Posts/Articles/Info That I Like
« Reply #17 on: April 21, 2011, 09:10:31 pm »
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doc hartman on pendlays forum, epic....


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Catecholamine concentrations, muscle fiber composition and pennation angle, profile of mood states, heart rate variability, motor unit recruitment, etc...but mostly just Heart and Balls
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« Reply #18 on: April 23, 2011, 08:48:55 am »
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Re: Random Strength and Conditioning Posts/Articles/Info That I Like
« Reply #19 on: July 05, 2011, 10:16:47 am »
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Greg Everett:



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Some argue that beyond the beginner level, the snatch and clean & jerk can't drive increases in strength. This is utter nonsense that can only be genuinely believed by someone who has never actually snatched and clean & jerked heavy weights [/b]


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Its very very annoying to hear this horseshit that olympic lifts and their variations only "express" strength, and I have yet to see it said by anyone who actually has the experience under the bar with these lifts themselves say such a dumb ass thing.  Deadlifts VERY OFTEN will go up SUBSTANTIALLY, WITHOUT DEADLIFTING, from doing power cleans from the floor.  Power cleans WONT go up linearly, from getting stronger in the deadlift.  This is one reason using power cleans from the floor is a great option for team sport athletes, it saves the cns from the burn out of heavy deadlifting, gives a MUCH better carryover to jumps/sprints/power, and yet it still will improve the actual deadlift itself in most cases assuming the athlete can adequately perform the lift.

People hear one thing on a internet forum or in an article, then repeat it like its the law sent from God, when in reality theyre little messenger boys, repeating what they read without any experience in the matter themselves.  


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Re: Random Strength and Conditioning Posts/Articles/Info That I Like
« Reply #20 on: July 05, 2011, 11:29:32 am »
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Greg Everett:

Its very very annoying to hear this horseshit that olympic lifts and their variations only "express" strength, and I have yet to see it said by anyone who actually has the experience under the bar with these lifts themselves say such a dumb ass thing.  Deadlifts VERY OFTEN will go up SUBSTANTIALLY, WITHOUT DEADLIFTING, from doing power cleans from the floor.  Power cleans WONT go up linearly, from getting stronger in the deadlift.  This is one reason using power cleans from the floor is a great option for team sport athletes, it saves the cns from the burn out of heavy deadlifting, gives a MUCH better carryover to jumps/sprints/power, and yet it still will improve the actual deadlift itself in most cases assuming the athlete can adequately perform the lift.

I think no one would seriously doubt the benefits of the olympic lifts for every strength and power athlete. However, if the olympic lifts are actually sufficient and also efficient in making athletes stronger, why does every weightlifter on the planet feel the need to squat and/or front squat so often then? It certainly is not only because of variety.

The argument whether deadlift increases drive powerclean increases or vice versa is completely artificial IMO. It's neither nor. Serious training will lead to adaptations from the organism and those adaptations apply to similar tasks as well. So there are obviously variables in play that mediate the connection and this will probably work in both directions to an extend. Now, for an olympic lifter there is no need to increase his deadlift unless this increase has carryover to competition lifts. And this is the actual debate and point of disagreement from my perception of it.

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Re: Random Strength and Conditioning Posts/Articles/Info That I Like
« Reply #21 on: July 05, 2011, 01:38:35 pm »
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Greg Everett:

Its very very annoying to hear this horseshit that olympic lifts and their variations only "express" strength, and I have yet to see it said by anyone who actually has the experience under the bar with these lifts themselves say such a dumb ass thing.  Deadlifts VERY OFTEN will go up SUBSTANTIALLY, WITHOUT DEADLIFTING, from doing power cleans from the floor.  Power cleans WONT go up linearly, from getting stronger in the deadlift.  This is one reason using power cleans from the floor is a great option for team sport athletes, it saves the cns from the burn out of heavy deadlifting, gives a MUCH better carryover to jumps/sprints/power, and yet it still will improve the actual deadlift itself in most cases assuming the athlete can adequately perform the lift.

I think no one would seriously doubt the benefits of the olympic lifts for every strength and power athlete. However, if the olympic lifts are actually sufficient and also efficient in making athletes stronger, why does every weightlifter on the planet feel the need to squat and/or front squat so often then? It certainly is not only because of variety.

 I never said that olympic lifts were the only lifts needed.  I said Im tired of hearing that they "demonstrate" strength, and dont make people stronger.  Olympic lifters do the SQUAT CLEAN and SQUAT SNATCH, so the squat is a very integral factor in whether or not they make the lift.  Im not talking about olympic lifters anyway, Im sick of seeing posts about how "olympic lifts only "demonstrate" strength".


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The argument whether deadlift increases drive powerclean increases or vice versa is completely artificial IMO. It's neither nor. Serious training will lead to adaptations from the organism and those adaptations apply to similar tasks as well. So there are obviously variables in play that mediate the connection and this will probably work in both directions to an extend.

Im telling you that increases in powercleans, FROM THE FLOOR, increase the deadlift IN MOST athletes in my experience, im not asking anybody, because ive seen it happen for 15 years.  Without deadlifting, assuming they can powerclean correctly, their deadlifts go up, WITHOUT DEADLIFTING.  Would the deadlift go up MORE with more deadlifting? possibly and  probable, but deadlifting without cleaning does not work the same way in my experience for the clean.  


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Now, for an olympic lifter there is no need to increase his deadlift unless this increase has carryover to competition lifts. And this is the actual debate and point of disagreement from my perception of it.

Im not talking about Mark Rippetoes insane argument with every olympic weightlifting coach on the planet, Im talking about the kids repeating this shit all over every s and c forum on the internet, with a tone of "why should we even do power cleans or power snatches when all they do is "display" strength.  You want to know what helps olympic weightlifters? ask glenn pendlay, listen to every word he says and disregard anything anyone else says about it.



cleans and snatches and all their variations make people strong, on the field, on the court, and stronger in general just like other lifts but at a more sport specific speed.  Its progressive overload against increasing resistance.  You dont have to do them, just like you dont have to do any lift, but saying they dont make people strong is insane.

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Re: Random Strength and Conditioning Posts/Articles/Info That I Like
« Reply #22 on: July 05, 2011, 02:33:37 pm »
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I agree that olympic lifts are a great way to train, you know that I do.

In how many s&c forums do you frequently read in that you are so pissed off about stupid kids though?  ;D

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« Reply #23 on: July 05, 2011, 03:31:06 pm »
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 Go to bodybuilding.com, in the sports training section, and you will see what I am talking about.  Thats a massive forum, but that general attitude is spreading like a slimy plague, and my issue with it is that it can cause some of the young impressionable athletes who couldve benefitted massively from the lifts, not do them.  They dont see the 135lb squatting retard behind the posts parroting what hes read from his "guru", they see "rep points" and take the advice.


tnation is pretty bad about it, though christian thibadeau and pendlay have helped educate some of the parrots.

startingstrength.com is pretty clueless about what exactly the lifts do for the most part, but at least they are doing them, though most of the time I see that said "put the powercleans at the end, theyre fun but they only demonstrate your strength".

there are tons of other places I see that more and more.



  I wasnt posting that as a shot at rippetoe or anything to do with olympic weightlifters, I just hate seeing that repeated over and over by people who couldnt snatch the bar, and have no right to even talk about the lifts in the first place.  Its fine if they are dumb and believe someones word without trying things for themselves, but when it affects others that couldve benefited, it becomes a problem.

  People love to bring up the argument of the olympic lifters having higher verts, faster starts, etc., and then bet your ass the next reply will be some deusch parroting "those guys have elite genetics, bla bla bla".  In that same argument, that same poster will use the example of how high jumpers and sprinters train ironically, which is comical, because obviously the high jumpers and sprinters have absolutely no genetic gifts whatsoever, and gained all their athleticism through their training methods.

 If someone has tried doing something that has proven to be very effective, forms an opinion on it, and finds a better way, Im all for it. AlexV had a good reason imo for using things like kettlebell swings, etc., because of the large group setting he had and the time required to teach the lifts, but he also never made the silly claim that they "only demonstrate strength" .  But thats not whats happening now, its a bunch of people who shouldnt open their mouth talking down things they dont know anything about.

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« Reply #24 on: July 05, 2011, 04:45:00 pm »
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I was able to stand being there for 15 minutes, I have seen, to an extend, what you are talking about. It certainly has something to do with the size of a forum as well. It takes a lot longer to educate a big number of people and when new guys show up every day you will see the same shit being repeated all over again. I don't feel a need to be there, but I can understand your anger about that. The SS forum is big, too, so you see it there as well.
I think the olympic lifts are perceived as something of great technical difficulty, so many shy away from them because of that as well. They might not be easy to execute perfectly, but its really not very difficult to learn them to the degree that you can use them as an effective training tool for quite a while. But it seems that most are not really willing to put in enough time to read stuff, educate themselves and most importantly try things out in the weight room and improve on execution. If that was the case AlexV would not have the problem of having to teach the lifts to the players from the get go, but make slight modifications only.

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« Reply #25 on: July 05, 2011, 10:40:28 pm »
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I was able to stand being there for 15 minutes, I have seen, to an extend, what you are talking about. It certainly has something to do with the size of a forum as well. It takes a lot longer to educate a big number of people and when new guys show up every day you will see the same shit being repeated all over again. I don't feel a need to be there, but I can understand your anger about that. The SS forum is big, too, so you see it there as well.

Haha, 15 minutes of torture, now you see the reason for my ranting.


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I think the olympic lifts are perceived as something of great technical difficulty, so many shy away from them because of that as well. They might not be easy to execute perfectly, but its really not very difficult to learn them to the degree that you can use them as an effective training tool for quite a while. But it seems that most are not really willing to put in enough time to read stuff, educate themselves and most importantly try things out in the weight room and improve on execution. If that was the case AlexV would not have the problem of having to teach the lifts to the players from the get go, but make slight modifications only.

Now we get to the root of the problem.  Ive talked about this exact scenario before, but people expect their cleans and snatches to look like pyros dimas, and they obviously dont, so they say, "I just cant get the clean (or snatch), my (insert wrists, arms, feet, ankles, vagina) hurts/is too long/ is not flexible enough to do them".  The funny thing is their squat often looks like something similar to swamp thing, but they have no problem doing them since "its good enough".   

You dont have to be PERFECT at the lifts to get benefits from them, and its not hard at all to learn to jump a weight up to the shoulders or overhead.  I would say that if you cant learn to do this, you are definitely not going to be a good athlete either.  But I think whats discouraging to them is the same people banding together against the lifts will be the first to critique the form, and let them know how much time they are wasting trying to learn them, and how impossible it is/how many years it takes etc. to master them, when they are again talking about something they have no clue about.
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« Reply #26 on: July 06, 2011, 04:44:25 am »
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But I think whats discouraging to them is the same people banding together against the lifts will be the first to critique the form, and let them know how much time they are wasting trying to learn them, and how impossible it is/how many years it takes etc. to master them, when they are again talking about something they have no clue about.

Haha so true. X2

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Re: Random Strength and Conditioning Posts/Articles/Info That I Like
« Reply #27 on: May 22, 2012, 02:15:12 am »
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« Reply #28 on: May 26, 2012, 06:48:58 pm »
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<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bngChUI6fOk" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bngChUI6fOk</a>


 speaks on the horseshit myth of box squats being dangerous, that poliquin made a video on recently

 speaks on the non sense of the glutes playing a higher role in sprinting than the hamstrings

 several references to some of the exaggerated claims made from poliquin in his articles (excessive hypertrophy in DAYS, fat loss etc.)

good stuff.


  
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Re: Random Strength and Conditioning Posts/Articles/Info That I Like
« Reply #29 on: June 06, 2012, 02:27:16 am »
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Quick question:  I know you said you are asian in another thread, so am I.  Do you feel like you are at a disadvantage athletically speaking in comparison to an african american with the exact same physique as you?

Hm... Bit of an odd question, I'm not sure where you're coming from with this. Asians versus blacks? Blacks probably are more genetically disposed towards having more fast-twitch muscle fibers and maybe higher testosterone, but this really shouldn't affect much since if you train hard enough, you can get to an elite level.

If you're talking about mindset, though, I don't really think about disadvantages. I mean, that's really only negative and contributes nothing. Can you change what you were born with? No, but you can be the best you can be. Every day I thank God for what He blessed me with: a healthy body and mind.

If you see somebody that happens to be quicker, stronger, and can jump higher... then that's on you, right? Gotta train harder, lol.

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