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Re: caffeine/preworkout/energy drinks
« Reply #15 on: July 10, 2017, 09:01:18 am »
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^^ the caffeine addicts thread :trollface:

It took me like 4 months to completely lose my addiction to caffeine. I had started taking it daily (in the form of milk+cappuccino drinks) in the morning, before work, for my job from ~2013-2015. Getting out of bed was impossible without it. Then when I quit, it took me 4 months at least before I started feeling normal again.

fastdontlie: the most potent use of caffeine as a performance enhancer, in my experience, comes when you don't take it normally, and instead take large doses before important sessions (PR attempts, dunk sessions, etc).

When you start to feel very jittery/shaky soon after taking it, and it makes you shit non-stop, that usually means you're ready to "fly".

Sometimes it can overload you though, and you just feel like you're going to have a heart attack. For example, after high doses of caffeine then a dunk session, it wasn't uncommon for me to go home and pass out.. So here I am amp'd up like crazy on caffeine, but I can't stay awake. It really helps you tap into "that much more CNS" than you normally would have .... and that becomes very draining.

I tried caffeine for running (distance), but it just makes me go to the bathroom so much (prior to running), that it cancels out the effect. Worrying about using the bathroom before a race, during a race, etc .. is not worth it. Dunk/sprint sessions however, i'd still use it on occasion to tap into some more power.

Caffeine also feels like an "artificial crowd".. Amps me up as if "people are watching".

FWIW, I sometimes put 2-3 scoops of instant coffee/cappuccino into some milk with a little honey, ~~30-60 minutes before an important dunk session. That would amp me up real good. Way better than a "monster energy" drink or anything like that.

I still get some caffeine now-days through my raw green tea, but doesn't feel like much. I try and go ~3 days without it each week, so not to be completely dependent on it.. feels like it works.

pC

since caffeine can have such a profound effect on power output, i wonder what more hardcore illicit stimulants do for it. I remember pulling a 220kg deadlift after taking DS Craze Preworkout, which later turned out to have some kind of amphetamine analogue in it.

All assuming you don't have a heart attack first that is.

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Re: caffeine/preworkout/energy drinks
« Reply #16 on: July 10, 2017, 10:19:21 am »
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1-3 dimethyl in ds craze. its meth like. took the grape flavor for a while. stopped when i found out about the banned ingredient.

made a big difference in mental allertness and aggressiveness. i was on it when i got 455x1 paused everyday for 8 straight weeks. and some 475x1 when i felt stronger.

miss those days. post workout crash was also as good. i sleep afterwards so no biggie.
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Re: caffeine/preworkout/energy drinks
« Reply #17 on: July 10, 2017, 12:31:58 pm »
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caffeine actually used to be banned by WADA at a certain level... looking it up 12mcg/ml in urine was the limit

which is apparently equivalent to 8 espressos... have to say even as someone with a pretty high caffeine tolerance 8 espressos is pushing it.

from https://examine.com/supplements/caffeine/

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There appears to be a reliable and significant increase in power output (both weight lifting as well as cycle ergometer measurements) in both trained and sedentary persons with doses of caffeine exceeding 5mg/kg, assuming the subject is not caffeine tolerant. Tolerance, or lower doses of caffeine, are not as effective.

5mg/kg is actually a pretty heavy dose. would be 450mg for a 90kg person or like.. 4/5 espressos.

1-3 dimethyl in ds craze. its meth like. took the grape flavor for a while. stopped when i found out about the banned ingredient.

made a big difference in mental allertness and aggressiveness. i was on it when i got 455x1 paused everyday for 8 straight weeks. and some 475x1 when i felt stronger.

miss those days. post workout crash was also as good. i sleep afterwards so no biggie.

yeah 1-3 that was it.... derived from geranium seeds. i only used it a few times but yeah it was pretty good. old formula jack3d had the same ingredient. i imagine its pretty shitty for your body to use long term though. damn i was actually like 17 when i was using this stuff, kinda fucked up they were allowed to mass market it like they did.




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Re: caffeine/preworkout/energy drinks
« Reply #18 on: July 10, 2017, 12:34:18 pm »
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Oh also if you get jittery caffeine + l-theanine/taurine is great, really smooths it out ... maybe not so great for m.e. jumping but for competition or studying or something its pretty useful.

also 1-3g L-tyrosine on an empty stomach can potentiate caffeine quite a bit as its a catecholamine precursor. i also found it useful when coming off caffeine to combat withdrawl.

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Re: caffeine/preworkout/energy drinks
« Reply #19 on: July 11, 2017, 05:25:04 am »
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the "meth" talk got me lol'n.

can't imagine being on meth, or coke.. especially meth. HEH.

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Re: caffeine/preworkout/energy drinks
« Reply #20 on: July 11, 2017, 02:48:35 pm »
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I def consume more caff than i originally thought
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Re: caffeine/preworkout/energy drinks
« Reply #21 on: July 12, 2017, 07:23:24 pm »
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the "meth" talk got me lol'n.

can't imagine being on meth, or coke.. especially meth. HEH.

I've taken adderral before, it's like 5x weaker than meth but the same chemical compound. I can't imagine how one would feel after the meth high goes away cause you feel so shitty with adderall.
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Re: caffeine/preworkout/energy drinks
« Reply #22 on: July 12, 2017, 07:25:34 pm »
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In terms of stimulants, im going to switch to nicotine patches or lozenges from ecigarrette vaporizers. Ecigs are destroys lungs, similar to real smoke.
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Re: caffeine/preworkout/energy drinks
« Reply #23 on: July 14, 2017, 07:14:59 am »
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In terms of stimulants, im going to switch to nicotine patches or lozenges from ecigarrette vaporizers. Ecigs are destroys lungs, similar to real smoke.

I don't think ECIGS are anywhere near as bad as real smoke, but not of it is optimal. Are you gonna try get off the nicotine completely one day?

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Re: caffeine/preworkout/energy drinks
« Reply #24 on: July 14, 2017, 10:12:54 am »
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In terms of stimulants, im going to switch to nicotine patches or lozenges from ecigarrette vaporizers. Ecigs are destroys lungs, similar to real smoke.

I don't think ECIGS are anywhere near as bad as real smoke, but not of it is optimal. Are you gonna try get off the nicotine completely one day?

Yes indeed.
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Re: caffeine/preworkout/energy drinks
« Reply #25 on: July 14, 2017, 10:29:29 am »
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In terms of stimulants, im going to switch to nicotine patches or lozenges from ecigarrette vaporizers. Ecigs are destroys lungs, similar to real smoke.

I don't think ECIGS are anywhere near as bad as real smoke, but not of it is optimal. Are you gonna try get off the nicotine completely one day?

Yes indeed.

good luck man

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Re: caffeine/preworkout/energy drinks
« Reply #26 on: July 14, 2017, 05:14:55 pm »
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In terms of stimulants, im going to switch to nicotine patches or lozenges from ecigarrette vaporizers. Ecigs are destroys lungs, similar to real smoke.

I don't think ECIGS are anywhere near as bad as real smoke, but not of it is optimal. Are you gonna try get off the nicotine completely one day?

Yes indeed.

good luck man

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Re: caffeine/preworkout/energy drinks
« Reply #27 on: July 25, 2017, 01:24:51 am »
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have not inhaled anything in the last 2 weeks except fresh air and hot sauna air (which i believe is good for one's lungs), have been taking some nicotine in the form of lozenges, they're actually pretty strong.... but nothing close smoking every 20 minutes - 1hr.....
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Re: caffeine/preworkout/energy drinks
« Reply #28 on: July 28, 2017, 07:57:35 am »
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I think fasting from caffeine/stims for a few days can really do wonders when you actually use it again on a tough training day....

I'm going to try not taking any caffeine for a few days, albeit i'm going to few demotivated at times.
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Re: caffeine/preworkout/energy drinks
« Reply #29 on: August 01, 2017, 11:50:37 pm »
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23 hours and 50 minutes, no caffeine yet!
33yrs | 24in SVJ | >45% BF | 227LB | 5'9 | 7'5 reach | 400lb max squat paused | 5'8 wingspan | 26in RVJ

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Goal: Maintain 385-405lb squat while cutting down to 165 LB