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caffeine/preworkout/energy drinks
« on: June 29, 2017, 09:13:52 pm »
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Is the use of this similar to fool's gold when trying to achieve  PR's?  Seems like if you can't achieve the same thing without it, than it is not a true PR.
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Re: caffeine/preworkout/energy drinks
« Reply #1 on: June 30, 2017, 06:40:11 am »
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CNS is CNS. You can amp it mentally or physically. Caffeine is some kind of PED indeed. If you wanna count it or not, it is up to you.
I would go with if the stimulant is legal ( https://www.wada-ama.org/en/what-we-do/prohibited-list ) then PR counts.
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Re: caffeine/preworkout/energy drinks
« Reply #2 on: July 01, 2017, 03:56:51 pm »
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CNS is CNS. You can amp it mentally or physically. Caffeine is some kind of PED indeed. If you wanna count it or not, it is up to you.
I would go with if the stimulant is legal ( https://www.wada-ama.org/en/what-we-do/prohibited-list ) then PR counts.

Vag, here's the thing. When I don't take PreWorkouts that include the usual (caffeine, etc etc), i start to dread the feeling of that 6th rep on a tough front squat training day.
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Re: caffeine/preworkout/energy drinks
« Reply #3 on: July 02, 2017, 09:29:46 am »
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Yes, because CNS adapts to stimulants. So better not take them everyday, save them for special days ( PR attempts etc ).
Or else you will need to take higher quantities for them to work , then CNS will adapt to that too etc etc.
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Re: caffeine/preworkout/energy drinks
« Reply #4 on: July 02, 2017, 06:05:34 pm »
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i can't get out of bed without caffeine anymore. my whole life is fool's gold.

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Re: caffeine/preworkout/energy drinks
« Reply #5 on: July 03, 2017, 04:46:28 am »
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Yeah, me too. It feels like it is not the the need to wake up anymore, it is pure substance addiction, i get withdrawal symptoms if i don't drink coffee, like headaches, bad temper etc.
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Re: caffeine/preworkout/energy drinks
« Reply #6 on: July 03, 2017, 05:36:59 am »
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Yeah, me too. It feels like it is not the the need to wake up anymore, it is pure substance addiction, i get withdrawal symptoms if i don't drink coffee, like headaches, bad temper etc.

I feel you. It is no longer a performance enhancer, it just brings me to baseline existence haha. Do you ever take tolerance breaks? I keep meaning to but..life gets in the way and I'm yet to find a period where i can be completely dysfunctional for a week or so. Even if I did have time...I enjoy coffee so don't wanna spend my 'holidays' feeling like crap and not being able to sit down with a coffee and a good book.

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Re: caffeine/preworkout/energy drinks
« Reply #7 on: July 03, 2017, 11:07:32 pm »
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Yeah, me too. It feels like it is not the the need to wake up anymore, it is pure substance addiction, i get withdrawal symptoms if i don't drink coffee, like headaches, bad temper etc.

Really, headaches?
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Re: caffeine/preworkout/energy drinks
« Reply #8 on: July 04, 2017, 05:15:14 am »
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I feel you. It is no longer a performance enhancer, it just brings me to baseline existence haha. Do you ever take tolerance breaks? I keep meaning to but..life gets in the way and I'm yet to find a period where i can be completely dysfunctional for a week or so. Even if I did have time...I enjoy coffee so don't wanna spend my 'holidays' feeling like crap and not being able to sit down with a coffee and a good book.

Right, it doesn't work as a performance enhancer anymore. When i need that i drink a second one ( each of which is already way above 'double' coffee as quantity ) and i drink a redbull too. No breaks, never. Tried to cut the evening one and replace it with tea but didn't work for long, before i knew it or realized it i was back to the old habit.



Really, headaches?

Yes. Not like intense ones or migraines, more like a 'heavy head', very similar to hangover headache feeling.
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Re: caffeine/preworkout/energy drinks
« Reply #9 on: July 04, 2017, 06:47:22 am »
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i can't get out of bed without caffeine anymore. my whole life is fool's gold.

I'm with you on that. The day doesn't start until I have my morning coffee.
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Re: caffeine/preworkout/energy drinks
« Reply #10 on: July 06, 2017, 04:17:52 pm »
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^^ the caffeine addicts thread :trollface:

It took me like 4 months to completely lose my addiction to caffeine. I had started taking it daily (in the form of milk+cappuccino drinks) in the morning, before work, for my job from ~2013-2015. Getting out of bed was impossible without it. Then when I quit, it took me 4 months at least before I started feeling normal again.

fastdontlie: the most potent use of caffeine as a performance enhancer, in my experience, comes when you don't take it normally, and instead take large doses before important sessions (PR attempts, dunk sessions, etc).

When you start to feel very jittery/shaky soon after taking it, and it makes you shit non-stop, that usually means you're ready to "fly".

Sometimes it can overload you though, and you just feel like you're going to have a heart attack. For example, after high doses of caffeine then a dunk session, it wasn't uncommon for me to go home and pass out.. So here I am amp'd up like crazy on caffeine, but I can't stay awake. It really helps you tap into "that much more CNS" than you normally would have .... and that becomes very draining.

I tried caffeine for running (distance), but it just makes me go to the bathroom so much (prior to running), that it cancels out the effect. Worrying about using the bathroom before a race, during a race, etc .. is not worth it. Dunk/sprint sessions however, i'd still use it on occasion to tap into some more power.

Caffeine also feels like an "artificial crowd".. Amps me up as if "people are watching".

FWIW, I sometimes put 2-3 scoops of instant coffee/cappuccino into some milk with a little honey, ~~30-60 minutes before an important dunk session. That would amp me up real good. Way better than a "monster energy" drink or anything like that.

I still get some caffeine now-days through my raw green tea, but doesn't feel like much. I try and go ~3 days without it each week, so not to be completely dependent on it.. feels like it works.

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Re: caffeine/preworkout/energy drinks
« Reply #11 on: July 06, 2017, 06:38:39 pm »
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Sigh, kicking caffeine is easier for me, but it's the nicotine that is tougher.  Nicotine addiction is the worst (besides illicit drugs obv).
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Re: caffeine/preworkout/energy drinks
« Reply #12 on: July 06, 2017, 07:02:52 pm »
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600-800mg per day. everyday.  ;D

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Re: caffeine/preworkout/energy drinks
« Reply #13 on: July 06, 2017, 07:35:28 pm »
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600-800mg per day. everyday.  ;D



Holy shit, your pulse is 45, wow, i really need to start getting into shape, i'm not even going to post my resting pulse.....  :-[
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Re: caffeine/preworkout/energy drinks
« Reply #14 on: July 10, 2017, 12:54:31 am »
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Saturdays stimulant intake: 1000mg caffeine, 10 cigarretes worth of nicotine aka half a vapor ecig cartridge....

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