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Exogenic Ketones
« on: July 14, 2016, 12:23:34 am »
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Thoughts on ketones? I am coming across more and more guys going full keto but there seems to be a way to get some benefits without going low/no carb.

http://realmovementproject.com/10-reasons-need-ketones-diet-2/

http://www.lift-run-bang.com/2016/01/exogenous-ketones-how-hell-did-i-get.html

Put the price aside for the sake of this discussion.  Also, put aside that Paul Carter looks to be repped by the manufacturer. Just for the moment anyway.

Have been thinking about something like the anabolic diet for a while and this may provide somewhat of a nice balance. It's also not all about performance though as I've been reading a lot on the overall health benefits involved.
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Re: Exogenic Ketones
« Reply #1 on: August 01, 2016, 04:14:45 pm »
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Thoughts on ketones? I am coming across more and more guys going full keto but there seems to be a way to get some benefits without going low/no carb.

http://realmovementproject.com/10-reasons-need-ketones-diet-2/

http://www.lift-run-bang.com/2016/01/exogenous-ketones-how-hell-did-i-get.html

Put the price aside for the sake of this discussion.  Also, put aside that Paul Carter looks to be repped by the manufacturer. Just for the moment anyway.

Have been thinking about something like the anabolic diet for a while and this may provide somewhat of a nice balance. It's also not all about performance though as I've been reading a lot on the overall health benefits involved.

Keto or just low carb is generally good but hard to maintain unless you have an overly obsessive personality.  I am doing a somewhat low carb even though low carb for me is like 50-100 grams(it feels like its impossible to get under 50 lol) but after a period of 3-4 days of strict my energy and performance goes to hell even with high protein and high fat macros.  You'd be better off just going with carb cycling tbh, I'm only trying to go low carb to lose the weight quickly which isn't exactly healthy.
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Re: Exogenic Ketones
« Reply #2 on: August 01, 2016, 08:23:20 pm »
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Thoughts on ketones? I am coming across more and more guys going full keto but there seems to be a way to get some benefits without going low/no carb.

http://realmovementproject.com/10-reasons-need-ketones-diet-2/

http://www.lift-run-bang.com/2016/01/exogenous-ketones-how-hell-did-i-get.html

Put the price aside for the sake of this discussion.  Also, put aside that Paul Carter looks to be repped by the manufacturer. Just for the moment anyway.

Have been thinking about something like the anabolic diet for a while and this may provide somewhat of a nice balance. It's also not all about performance though as I've been reading a lot on the overall health benefits involved.

Keto or just low carb is generally good but hard to maintain unless you have an overly obsessive personality.  I am doing a somewhat low carb even though low carb for me is like 50-100 grams(it feels like its impossible to get under 50 lol) but after a period of 3-4 days of strict my energy and performance goes to hell even with high protein and high fat macros.  You'd be better off just going with carb cycling tbh, I'm only trying to go low carb to lose the weight quickly which isn't exactly healthy.

You're doing tri training yeah? How do you find low carb fitting in with that? Do you intend to revert back once you're at a certain weight or hope to become fat adapted. I know a few triathletes who are low/no carb and love it. Took them a while to get through the fog though.

I like the idea of something like the anabolic diet though. Low carb (<50g) with 1 or 2 high carb days per week. Don't know how this would affect performance on the track or the basketball court which is the main issue. I'm pretty carb tolerant though and and don't know how I would go largely giving them up.
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Re: Exogenic Ketones
« Reply #3 on: August 01, 2016, 08:30:52 pm »
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Thoughts on ketones? I am coming across more and more guys going full keto but there seems to be a way to get some benefits without going low/no carb.

http://realmovementproject.com/10-reasons-need-ketones-diet-2/

http://www.lift-run-bang.com/2016/01/exogenous-ketones-how-hell-did-i-get.html

Put the price aside for the sake of this discussion.  Also, put aside that Paul Carter looks to be repped by the manufacturer. Just for the moment anyway.

Have been thinking about something like the anabolic diet for a while and this may provide somewhat of a nice balance. It's also not all about performance though as I've been reading a lot on the overall health benefits involved.

Keto or just low carb is generally good but hard to maintain unless you have an overly obsessive personality.  I am doing a somewhat low carb even though low carb for me is like 50-100 grams(it feels like its impossible to get under 50 lol) but after a period of 3-4 days of strict my energy and performance goes to hell even with high protein and high fat macros.  You'd be better off just going with carb cycling tbh, I'm only trying to go low carb to lose the weight quickly which isn't exactly healthy.

You're doing tri training yeah? How do you find low carb fitting in with that? Do you intend to revert back once you're at a certain weight or hope to become fat adapted. I know a few triathletes who are low/no carb and love it. Took them a while to get through the fog though.

I like the idea of something like the anabolic diet though. Low carb (<50g) with 1 or 2 high carb days per week. Don't know how this would affect performance on the track or the basketball court which is the main issue. I'm pretty carb tolerant though and and don't know how I would go largely giving them up.

Yeah I'm in the process of training for one, wont be until next year though, I'd rather get to around 220.  I'm just focusing on running until my fitness tests are over.  As far as how I feel now, not too bad, if I feel exhausted one day then i just increase my calories a bit and I'm usually good.  If more carbs help your performance and you're not a slave to carbs then I'd play around with how many you can have without gaining weight.
Monday
.5 mile run warm up, squat, bench, deadlift
Tuesday
1 mile run, xfit
Wednesday
1 mile run, bodyweight day
Thursday
.5 mile run, db/machines
Friday
1 mile run, xfit
Saturday
1 mile run, bodyweight day.

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Re: Exogenic Ketones
« Reply #4 on: August 01, 2016, 09:04:16 pm »
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Thoughts on ketones? I am coming across more and more guys going full keto but there seems to be a way to get some benefits without going low/no carb.

http://realmovementproject.com/10-reasons-need-ketones-diet-2/

http://www.lift-run-bang.com/2016/01/exogenous-ketones-how-hell-did-i-get.html

Put the price aside for the sake of this discussion.  Also, put aside that Paul Carter looks to be repped by the manufacturer. Just for the moment anyway.

Have been thinking about something like the anabolic diet for a while and this may provide somewhat of a nice balance. It's also not all about performance though as I've been reading a lot on the overall health benefits involved.

Keto or just low carb is generally good but hard to maintain unless you have an overly obsessive personality.  I am doing a somewhat low carb even though low carb for me is like 50-100 grams(it feels like its impossible to get under 50 lol) but after a period of 3-4 days of strict my energy and performance goes to hell even with high protein and high fat macros.  You'd be better off just going with carb cycling tbh, I'm only trying to go low carb to lose the weight quickly which isn't exactly healthy.

You're doing tri training yeah? How do you find low carb fitting in with that? Do you intend to revert back once you're at a certain weight or hope to become fat adapted. I know a few triathletes who are low/no carb and love it. Took them a while to get through the fog though.

I like the idea of something like the anabolic diet though. Low carb (<50g) with 1 or 2 high carb days per week. Don't know how this would affect performance on the track or the basketball court which is the main issue. I'm pretty carb tolerant though and and don't know how I would go largely giving them up.

Yeah I'm in the process of training for one, wont be until next year though, I'd rather get to around 220.  I'm just focusing on running until my fitness tests are over.  As far as how I feel now, not too bad, if I feel exhausted one day then i just increase my calories a bit and I'm usually good.  If more carbs help your performance and you're not a slave to carbs then I'd play around with how many you can have without gaining weight.

Cool. That's a good goal. Tri season starts here in 4 months. I wouldn't mind doing a baby tri (300m swim, 10k ride, 3k run). Will see how I'm going when it gets a bit closer.   

I tend to do ok with carbs and provided I stay off the junk can eat a decent amount of carbs with little to no impact.
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Re: Exogenic Ketones
« Reply #5 on: September 01, 2016, 08:49:35 pm »
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Just saw this today. Kind of answers most of my questions.

https://www.t-nation.com/diet-fat-loss/avoid-this-ketogenic-rip-off
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