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Unless you're playing basketball ~3 times per week or so youll definitely make your most gains just by getting out and playing basketball.   Regardless of the sport you put someone into an unfamiliar movement pattern and they'll soon be coughing up a lung. I see all these guys sparring one day a week and want to throw all this fancy conditioning in with circuits and stuff and they wonder why it doesnt work well.  Regardless of how "inshape" someone is the first time on the court in a while is a torturous experience.

Also if your aerobic foundation is  not developed at all you can get decent results just doing regular LDC a few times per week for 20-30 min, as it serves as the foundation to anaerobic endurance.  See McLaughlins stuff for further info.  The intervals will work for a couple of weeks but they're more like a cherry on top and will burn you out if you're not ready for them.  I'd start off with 3 sessions of activity per week and work from there - it could be 1 game and 2 coditioning sessions or 2 games and 1 conditioning.

One other thing I would consider at your age is a reduction in weight training volume and an increase in mobility work.  You can train heavy but I wouldnt suggest training to the point where your legs are sore all week long.  Get your movements and movment efficiency back in order first until your body starts to feel "good" on the court then start hitting the weights hard.

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Strength, Power, Reactivity, & Speed Discussion / Re: Calfs
« on: March 27, 2011, 02:04:54 am »

Are you actually quoting Jay Schroeder?, or did you make it up?. It's pretty good if you did, but it sounds like something that would come straight from the horses mouth to gloss over his methods.

I just made that up. :) If I were quoting Schroeder you woulda seen the word "methodic" in there about 9 or 10 times. That and several other worlds are unique to evo-sport.  Go read some of James Colberts posts on the subject sometime for some entertainment.

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How about dwarves?

Denmark has a benchpresser whos a dwarf. He holds the WR for his weightclass and has won several international titles. Honestly I think its bull. He cant fully extend his elbows (some dwarves has this problem) and he cant touch the ground when on the bench. So they bend the rules for him. And he keeps yapping about he stronger pound for pound in the bench than anyone in the world. All I can say is, I can get the cookies from the top shelf. Go fuck of stupid midget.

I trained a dwarf girl for a time that competed in powerlifting. She just walked into the gym one day and said she wanted to train for a powerlifting meet. I'm glad you brought this up because I'd forgotten all about her until now,  but I just looked her up and looks like she's gone on to accomplish a lot in powerlifting as well as shot put and throwing events:

http://usparalympics.org/athletes/jill-kennedy

I trained her for a few months back in '98 before she went to Dubai.  It was quite funny watching her do deadlifts. We'd have to put small plates on the bar just so she could have any range of motion. On bench press we'd take an elastic nylon weightlifting belt and wrap it around her hips tieing her to the bench press.  She was a relative beginner back then but still already strong as hell for her size. I remember her doing front squats with 175 and benching somewhere around 135.  I don't think she weighed more than 90 lbs or so.

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Strength, Power, Reactivity, & Speed Discussion / Re: Calfs
« on: March 24, 2011, 02:42:58 pm »
You guys talking negative about Isos obviously haven't tried ISO EXTREMES. The key is you have to establish a relaxed alpha dominant physchological state and (utilizing super 7 positioning) pull yourself for at least 5 minutes to activate the inherent recriprocal antagonistic neuro feed back mechanisms in your nervous system for the required musculature. Over time this enables your body to literally rewire and reshape itself internally to external.  The results in drastically improved force production over a more thorough range of motion, increased FT fiber expression (drastically increased muscularity), increased health, increased vitality, better elimination, and pure domination on the field.  The real world results of those who dedicate themselves to iso extremes over a period of time are nothing short of spectacular.  Take Jay Schroeder for instance: He went from being an old man with a blown out back to a world class masters level sprinter and cyclist using nothing but iso extremez.  The key is you have to dedicate yourself 100% and work proper iso extreme positions every day for several months straight before the miraculous gains suddenly appear. Utilizing iso extreme methodology it's fairly common to go 1 month, 2 months, 3 months with no gains then all the sudden you turn into an athletic superstar overnight as your body, mind, and spirit synchronize in tune with positional mastery. 

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Strength, Power, Reactivity, & Speed Discussion / Re: Safety Squat Bar
« on: March 19, 2011, 01:43:40 pm »
I wouldn't waste your money. As you descend the bar really pulls you forward and you have to contract your back a ton to stay upright. To me the effect is more like doing a Zercher squat in a high bar squat position. If you're into front squats you'll probably hate the safety squat.  Definitely try to try one out before you buy one.

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That's exactly right - it is and should be an involuntary thing. The point is your body will try to use the strongest muscles to get the job done. 

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Those exercises involve lots more than just the core. The stability ball tucks torture the hip flexors.  The side planks kill the glutes. I think you're seeing the results of strengthening other muscles than just the core.

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It depends on body-fat levels. Someoe with some bodyfat to spare need not worry about gaining weight, it's the toothpicks who starve endlessly who shouldn't be deathly afraid of it. Keep the body-fat low and things work out. Raptors approach is better for people under 8% body-fat and he's exactly right, each cycle of weight results in greater relative strength than would be there had the person stayed weight stable. Even the O lifters in light weight classes cycle their weight.  3-5 kilos up, 3 kilos down etc.

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Anytime you're running around playing ball or doing lots of jumps the quads have to contract a lot eccentrically to slow you down and that can increase eccentric induced muscle soreness. If you do a ton of jumps and don't feel your glutes pump at all afterwards I'd say you might have problems. If you have a good squat strength base and take a week and do nothing but glute work you will probably notice the feel of your jump changes, usually for the better. It may not necessarily be higher but feels smoother and you'll come off the ground easier with less stress on your knees.  The key is maintaining that recruitment patten while strengthening the entire kinetic chain (hips, knees, ankles). More hip involvement means better leverage and less stress on the rest of the kinetic chain when activating concentrically. Hip flexor exercises can also help as they help establish better femoral control by your glutes.

You can get up without a ton of glute involvement but it will likely lead to knee pain eventually. I gave myself a severe case of quad tendonitis in both knees because I didn't know these things 10+ years ago and got out of balance doing too many front squats and not enough posterior chain work. My vert went up, but at the same time it felt rough and after only a few jumps I'd have to stop because I'd be hurting.  I finally noticed I would jump much better the day after emphasizing glute work and my knees hurt less.  My best jumps I could always feel my glutes pump right at the very top they would literally be cramped immediately after a jump.

One half assed observation you can do is stand blindfolded and jump vertically as high as possible, aiming for nothing in particular. See where you land in relationship to where you took off. If you went backward a bit your quads are probably dominant. If you went forward that indicates more hip involvement.

If you do a bilateral approach jump and take off a bit further back than you normally would it may help you get more glute activation in your jump. 

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I've never seen any research that demonstrated the impact of core strengthening had any positive effect on any power, speed, strength, measurable, and there is quite a bit of research on the topic. In the functional world the only positive thing in the research is negative performance on the functional movement screen correlated with injuries, which makes sense. If you're tight to the point you can't move you're more succeptible to injury.

But anyway, here's a good article by Rippetoe on the topic of core strength:

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http://www.coachr.org/core_stabilisa...aining_for.htm


People love to take a nugget that sounds good in theory and base an entire paradigm around it - the fascination with all things core is one of those things.  Does that mean core strength is uniimportant? I would argue you need enough core strength to optimally control your pelvis, which is really more an issue of coordination than it is strength.

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All things being equal** you'll actually make better strength and size gains in your upper body if you don't train legs.  Leg training burns up a ton of calories, burns up a ton of nervous system energy, and requires a lot of adaptive resources. You only have so much to go around.  

Same goes for cardio, HIT etc. Anything that burns calories and requires energy takes away adaptive resources that could be used to fuel strength and size gains.

As a personal example, when I was 23 I experiencing bouts of rapid and irregular heartbeats and for 2 months I couldn't train legs. I kept doing the same upper body workouts I'd been doing before but they were a lot more effective simply because I didn't have legs to worry about.  I made more upper body strength gains in that 2 months then I had in the previous year and a half combined. The workouts were exactly the same as before, they just worked a lot better.

**Here's the thing though: Things are rarely equal. Most people don't  train their lower body hard enough to impact recovery. One lower body workout a week certainly isn't gonna do that. People that train legs (and whole body lifts like deadlifts) are usually more dedicated and have their shit together. They're more likely to have a good diet and much more likely to be consistent about their training. Thus, they make better gains everywhere in the long term because it's more important to them. The average frat bro might put more on his bench and curl in the few weeks he's prepping for spring break, but in the long term the guy doing the full body lifts will win out simply because he's doing more things right and it's more important to him.

The hormonal effect of full body lifts really isnt' worth getting worked up about from an anabolic perspective. From a catabolic (fat-burning) perspective it cetainly is. Full body/lower body lifts burn a lot more calories and can drastically increase things like AMPK and GH. If you're looking to stay lean their is a big differnce, but for size and strength those things are actually a disadvantage.  


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Strength, Power, Reactivity, & Speed Discussion / Re: High cut calves
« on: March 02, 2011, 02:55:48 pm »
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if i read the 2nd study posted correctly, does that mean that calf strength is important?

Of the things they looked at yeah the adaptations typically brought about by heavy strenght training (muscule thickness and increased pennation angle) correlated with power, but they weren't looking at stuff like hip strength etc. The main thing is other studies have shown the inherent structure of the calf more important than the strength adaptations for things like 100 meter sprinting, which is the opposite of that study and fits with the overall theme of this thread.  The more intense and powerful the activation (jumps, accelerations, changes of directions etc.) the more likely you are to benefit from calf strength or at least not be hurt by having a shitty structure (low insertion points) when compared to less intense rhythmic activities like speed endurance or distance running.

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IMO you'd be best served by really empasizing mobility and GPP whatever you do. Some things you've said on here the last couple of months raise some red flags to me as far as you being extremely tight and out of shape.  So I'd get a good mobility program of dynamic and static work going, get out and play some ball or run some sprints at least a couple of days per week, strength train with moderate weights 2-3 x per week, try to clean up your diet a bit etc. 

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Strength, Power, Reactivity, & Speed Discussion / Re: High cut calves
« on: February 27, 2011, 04:20:58 pm »
Yeah here are a few relevant to the topic:



Why is countermovement jump height greater than squat jump height?
Bobbert MF, Gerritsen KG, Litjens MC, Van Soest AJ.

Institute for Fundamental and Clinical Movement Sciences, Amsterdam, The Netherlands. M_F_Bobbert@fbw.vu.nl

Abstract
In the literature, it is well established that subjects are able to jump higher in a countermovement jump (CMJ) than in a squat jump (SJ). The purpose of this study was to estimate the relative contribution of the time available for force development and the storage and reutilization of elastic energy to the enhancement of performance in CMJ compared with SJ. Six male volleyball players performed CMJ and SJ. Kinematics, kinetics, and muscle electrical activity (EMG) from six muscles of the lower extremity were monitored. It was found that even when the body position at the start of push-off was the same in SJ as in CMJ, jump height was on average 3.4 cm greater in CMJ. The possibility that nonoptimal coordination in SJ explained the difference in jump height was ruled out: there were no signs of movement disintegration in SJ, and toe-off position was the same in SJ as in CMJ. The greater jump height in CMJ was attributed to the fact that the countermovement allowed the subjects to attain greater joint moments at the start of push-off. As a consequence, joint moments were greater over the first part of the range of joint extension in CMJ, so that more work could be produced than in SJ. To explain this finding, measured and manipulated kinematics and electromyographic activity were used as input for a model of the musculoskeletal system. According to simulation results, storage and reutilization of elastic energy could be ruled out as explanation for the enhancement of performance in CMJ over that in SJ. The crucial contribution of the countermovement seemed to be that it allowed the muscles to build up a high level of active state (fraction of attached cross-bridges) and force before the start of shortening, so that they were able to produce more work over the first part of their shortening distance Lateral gastrocnemius thickness was the strongest predictor of absolute power for all jump types and between jump types (SJ: r2 = 0.181, p = 0.034; CMJ: r2 = 0.201, p = 0.014; DDJ: r2 = 0.122, p = 0.049; CMJ-SJ: r2 = 0.201, p = 0.014; DDJ-CMJ: r2 = 0.146, p = 0.034). Lateral gastrocnemius pennation angle was also the best predictor of relative power for all 3 jump types and between jump types (SJ: r2 = 0.172, p = 0.038; CMJ: r2 = 0.416, p = 0.000; DDJ: r2 = 0.167, p = 0.024; CMJ-SJ: r2 = 0.391, p = 0.000; DDJ-CMJ: r2 = 0.136, p = 0.039). Results for jump performance differ from those previously found for sprinting in that greater pennation and shorter fascicles, positively predicting jumping ability at increased prestretch loads reinforcing the need for training specificity. Our findings in resistance-trained men indicate that where jumping is vital to athletic success one can benefit from developing LG muscle architecture along with addressing eccentric strength.



Mechanical and muscular factors influencing the performance in maximal vertical jumping after different prestretch loads.
Voigt M, Simonsen EB, Dyhre-Poulsen P, Klausen K.

Department of Medical Anatomy, Panum Institute, University of Copenhagen, Denmark.

Abstract
The objective of the present work was to study the interaction between the tendon elasticity, the muscle activation-loading dynamics, specific actions of the biarticular muscles, preloading and jumping performance during maximal vertical jumping. Six male expert jumpers participated in the study. They performed maximal vertical jumps with five different preloads. The kinematics and dynamics of the jumping movements were analysed from force plate and high speed film recordings. The amount of elastic energy stored in the tendons of the leg extensor muscles was calculated by a generalised tendon model, and the muscle coordination was analysed by surface EMG. The best jumping performances were achieved in the jumps with low preloads (counter movement jumps and drop jumps from 0.3 m). A considerable amount of the energy imposed on the legs by prestretch loading was stored in the tendons (26 +/- 3%), but  the increased performance could not be explained by a contribution of elastic energy to the positive work performed during the push off. During the preloading, the involved muscles were activated at the onset of the loading. Slow prestretches at the onset of muscle activation under relatively low average stretch loads, as observed during counter movement jumps and drop jumps from 0.3 m, prevented excessive stretching of the muscle fibres in relation to the tendon length changes. This consequently conserved the potential of the muscle fibres to produce positive work during the following muscle-tendon shortening in concert with the release of the tendon strain energy. A significant increase in the activity of m. rectus femoris between jumps with and without prestretch indicated a pronounced action of m. rectus femoris in a transport of mechanical energy produced by the proximal monoarticular m. gluteus maximus at the hip to the knee and thereby enhanced the transformation of rotational joint work to translational work on the mass centre of the body. The changes in muscle activity were reflected in the net muscle powers. Vertical jumping is like most movements constrained by the intended direction of the movement. The movements of the body segments during the prestretches induced a forward rotation and during the take off, a backward rotation of the body. A reciprocal shift in the activities of the biarticular m. rectus femoris and m. semitendinosus indicated that these rotations were counteracted by changes in the direction of the resultant ground reaction vector controlled by these muscles.(ABSTRACT TRUNCATED AT 400 WORDS)


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Strength, Power, Reactivity, & Speed Discussion / Re: High cut calves
« on: February 26, 2011, 03:43:32 pm »
High calves are gonna help with top speed and endurance running moreso than they will vert and early acceleration IMO. The tendons help save energy and spare muscular effort at a given work rate moreso than they contribute to positive concentric force. A good example of this is the difference between Kenyan runners and everyone else. They don't go faster, they just go forever without trying.

They cannot help with concentric force at all since they don't have sarcomeres.

I agree that they cannot help with acceleration, but why not with a vertical jump? And by that i especially mean a running vertical jump. Why would a running vertical jump be a purely concentric, voluntary movement? Imo tendons absorb the force and return it, just like an elastic. And the longer the elastic, the more force it can produce.



The general them of more current research is the role of pure tendon contribution to plyometric movements has been overstated in years past. If that weren't the case you wouldn't see the things talked about in page 1 of this thread.

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