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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #4125 on: May 08, 2017, 12:59:42 am »
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workout fail over the weekend, too many social obligations and i was lazy in not making enough time before having to leave for stuff. that said, it was a great weekend. went to a water fight party at some rich folks' farm house on saturday and it was the most fun i've had in ages. and i warmed up, stretched, and did some stuff. just not full prescribed workout.

back on the horse this evening.
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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #4126 on: May 08, 2017, 09:14:05 am »
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hey T0ddday, welcome back! thanks for the tips. had gathered the bit about handstand bailing not really being a thing unless you can do an actual handstand from my own trial and error. am following a prescribed program at the moment and fairly happy to give myself over to it so i'm not gonna do front tuck bails for now. the program doesn't call for freestanding handstands yet, so i haven't been practicing them too much, although recently i have started to because of the aforementioned realization.

to answer your first question: training to be able to do basic gymnastics moves: handstand (i know, i know), cartwheels, kip-ups, and eventually more advanced stuff like backflips, flags, aerials, etc.

how you? how is the transition/move going? been training at all?

Awesome!  I don't know what program your following but hopefully it's not one that's too gymnastics centered... the great thing about gymnastics is that if you have accepted that your are not going to make the olympics (pretty reasonable) then save for a few bad habits almost everything works.  For handstand especially anything you can do that will force to you spend more time inverted - handstand push-ups, kick ups, cartwheels, handsprings, etc will be helpful. 

It's my absolute favorite thing to train people in - I've never trained someone t dunk in a day but I have taught front tucks and back tucks in a day!  Here is a video I made for a client who wanted to learn gymnastics - if you make it out to LA before august I can do the same for you:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJFXfaZsyec&feature=share

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJFXfaZsyec" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJFXfaZsyec</a>

As far as me... I'm still moving.  Starting beginning of august.  Finding a place to live and I am actually finding a place close to a court and an indoor track that I can use for free if I put in 10 hrs a week as a trainer... so yeah I'm gonna be a professor moonlighting as a trainer... stranger things have happened. 

My training has been poor.  I had some injuries and personal problems but I have turned the corner.  I have been traveling a ton.  I found out that while I hate long distance running I actually love long distance walking...  I was worse out of shape around New Years - my current jump was just measured at 36" so it's a loss of close to 10" but enough to do some ugly dunks.  It's up from 31" though!  Crazy thing is that I took so much time off and got up to 230lbs and then ran a 10.94 100m...  guess I am a natural sprinter and not a jumper!   Anyway,  during the transition I will have two months with very little work (June/July) so I fully intend to train as hard as possible and I need y'all for motivation!  It starts now!   Down to a svelte 218 as I write this!

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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #4127 on: May 08, 2017, 10:53:49 am »
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that video is hilarious. and yeah the training has different kinds of inversions -- cartwheels, wall walks, and wall kick-ups for starters, and the aforementioned bailing. not sure what you mean by too gymnastics centered. the goal is to master basic bodyweight moves. so far it's as much fun as i've had training since i was at my absolute peak of jumping.

- GMB F1 W5 D1
treating handstand bailing as kick-up practice makes a huge difference. got first legit freestanding kick-up today. frustrated with kip-ups, tried full movement and it just was not happening. got some video at the end, which will never be seen by another pair of human eyes. basically it looks like i'm just not kicking hard up enough, i think because of fear. on the plus side i did more reps than i'd done in any previous workout. right wrist bugging a little.

ETA: watched some more tutorial videos for the kip-up and the biggest mistake i'm making seems to be that i'm kicking forward instead of up. common mistake. will incorporate next time, along with taking the bridge stretch more seriously.
« Last Edit: May 08, 2017, 11:21:28 am by LBSS »
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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #4128 on: May 09, 2017, 01:25:50 am »
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long distance walking is amazing & underrated. :headbang: Only issue is how much time it takes.. but sometimes that's the purpose, great for the brain.



LBSS, were you ever able to do flips, handstands or cartwheels as a kid?

I've never done cartwheels, but I could actually do handstands & front flips, and i'd back flip into a pool. But I lost all of that around ~12 or so.. and now I definitely don't have the balls to try flips, unless maybe I was in a facility to prevent me from snapping my neck. Funny how that works.

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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #4129 on: May 09, 2017, 08:11:33 am »
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nope nope nope. went down a flip tutorial rabbit hole on youtube last night and i'm pretty sure i could do at least a back flip pretty easily if i had a safe place to practice or could muster the stones to do it on my lawn. must not rush, though. am enjoying the gradual, prescribed road.
« Last Edit: May 09, 2017, 08:13:20 am by LBSS »
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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #4130 on: May 09, 2017, 12:29:08 pm »
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- GMB F1 W5 D2
pirouettes all over the place, trouble balancing. better toward the end, still annoying. otherwise fine. cartwheels are pretty much there, practice is just to get closer to mastery, i've got the basics down.

here's the conditioning circuit at the end of the B days (i.e. cartwheels and piroettes).

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hllpgf8l8g0" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hllpgf8l8g0</a>

NB: my jump height has suffered but these are WAY submax.
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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #4131 on: May 09, 2017, 08:26:25 pm »
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ETA: watched some more tutorial videos for the kip-up and the biggest mistake i'm making seems to be that i'm kicking forward instead of up. common mistake. will incorporate next time, along with taking the bridge stretch more seriously.

I'm glad you came to this realisation this early. I first tried kip ups when I was 17 and got my first one when I was about 19 when if finally clicked. Also make sure to use your stretch reflex when you load up the legs. And, if you have a good pike then you can do it with straight legs which is a bit prettier than the bent leg version.
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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #4132 on: May 10, 2017, 01:07:48 am »
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well, let's see how well my intellectual awareness of it clicks with my body when i try them tomorrow! tonight's a rest day so i'll try to get out of work in time to go to friend yoga.

my brain has been scheming about setting up my spare bedroom as a training room. there are two twin beds in there, which i could probably put on their ends against the wall. then lay down some rubber matting, get a ton of cheap pillows for extra padding on top of one of the mattresses (for flips!) and build or commission* a chin-up station. this may be insane given that i may only be here for a year and a half more. still, i miss doing pull ups and i want to be able to consistently do muscle-ups. and the yard is soft but it's not soft enough to be unscary for flips.

*could probably find a shop in rawalpindi that would build one to spec for next to nothing. labor here is incredibly cheap.
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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #4133 on: May 10, 2017, 01:25:47 am »
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well, let's see how well my intellectual awareness of it clicks with my body when i try them tomorrow! tonight's a rest day so i'll try to get out of work in time to go to friend yoga.

my brain has been scheming about setting up my spare bedroom as a training room. there are two twin beds in there, which i could probably put on their ends against the wall. then lay down some rubber matting, get a ton of cheap pillows for extra padding on top of one of the mattresses (for flips!) and build or commission* a chin-up station. this may be insane given that i may only be here for a year and a half more. still, i miss doing pull ups and i want to be able to consistently do muscle-ups. and the yard is soft but it's not soft enough to be unscary for flips.

*could probably find a shop in rawalpindi that would build one to spec for next to nothing. labor here is incredibly cheap.

That setup would be dope...especially when done on the cheap.
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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #4134 on: May 11, 2017, 12:28:19 am »
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last night

- yoga x 75 mins
got into the deepest bridge i've yet done. back feels fine today. cool.

tonight

- GMB F1 W5 D4
skipped crow because i did a bunch at yoga last night. could not get side crow during class because of some kind of mobility issue and didn't want to push it. friend pushes things a little too hard for her clientele sometimes, i think. most of them can't even really do crow. also, put handstand bailing and kip-ups together because i do both outside on the grass. felt a little bit of progress on kip-ups but i'm still not close to landing one. it'd really help to have some live coaching and a mattress. banged my back after a bunch of reps and it gave me a headache. stopped and moved on. just keep grinding, i'll get it eventually.
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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #4135 on: May 11, 2017, 08:43:12 pm »
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felt a little bit of progress on kip-ups but i'm still not close to landing one. it'd really help to have some live coaching and a mattress. banged my back after a bunch of reps and it gave me a headache. stopped and moved on. just keep grinding, i'll get it eventually.

Where do you think you're going wrong with these? You should post a video (even though you probably don't want to).
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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #4136 on: May 12, 2017, 01:15:35 am »
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i'm probably still kicking too much forward most of the time, and i'm not throwing my upper body forward enough. there's some kind of block, i barely come up from parallel with the ground, hence banging my back. i can't figure out how/when to throw my arms forward.

will post video once i get it.
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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #4137 on: May 12, 2017, 01:36:52 am »
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i'm probably still kicking too much forward most of the time, and i'm not throwing my upper body forward enough. there's some kind of block, i barely come up from parallel with the ground, hence banging my back. i can't figure out how/when to throw my arms forward.

will post video once i get it.

Mate you inspired me to get back into them (https://www.instagram.com/p/BT-TBRagmo-/?taken-by=pretty_fly_for_a_life_guy and you may be overthinking it. Btw, arms really don't come forward as you use them for every ounce of help. I realised I use my head too for extra push off. I'll try a no hands one in a few days and see if I can get it.

*edit- I kinda feel like I'm hassling you with the kip up stuff. Let me know if I am and I'll back off.
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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #4138 on: May 12, 2017, 05:29:32 am »
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nice! your technique is different than the one GMB describes. they have the arm throw as a key to getting the body upright, and the target is to land in a deep squat. i'll try anything, though. just want to get on my feet.

and not hassling at all, i really appreciate the tips and encouragement.
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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #4139 on: May 12, 2017, 07:18:43 pm »
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nope nope nope. went down a flip tutorial rabbit hole on youtube last night and i'm pretty sure i could do at least a back flip pretty easily if i had a safe place to practice or could muster the stones to do it on my lawn. must not rush, though. am enjoying the gradual, prescribed road.

What I meant about a training protocol that is too gymnastics centered is that a lot of coaches with gymnastics background are waaaaay to rigid about how you must learn technique.   Sure, I know they love their sport and pointed toes, stuck landings, no cowboy grabs, etc are the standard rules in gymnastics...

That said if you are a athletic guy who wants to learn some cool gymnastics skills (a lot of actors here in LA want to obviously) you can waste a lot of time with a coach like this.   

There are a few bad habits that you want to avoid but for the most part if you set your training up correctly you can just bang at it and learn skills that will be more than satisfying for anyone but an elite gymnast.

The only bad habits I have seen that people seem to  do are:

1) Handstand walking.  Avoid this too early.  Handstand walking can be learned by arching the back and letting the legs fall over to counterbalance...   This will allow you to walk on  your hands but won't provide a base for handsprings or any actual moves that involve touching the ground.   Use the wall or forward roll out of a missed handstand rather than getting ahead of yourself too early unless you can stay disciplined.

2) Don't (backflip) flip onto soft surfaces.  Some people are natural flippers.  I was a daredevil second child with an older brother than made me try everything first - it made me fearless but also stupid and with a fair amount of injuries.  I have people try to build there way up to doing a backflip by flipping into a pool because they are scared.   This is really counter productive.   Flipping backwards from a high surface or off a pool edge is dangerous.  You have to avoid the edge.    But you don't have to set.   This is the opposite of an actual flip.   Everyone on this board can jump more than  high enough to do a backflip.   The higher you can jump and the stronger you abs/back are (eg the more you can deadlift) the more you can get away with.  You can do a backflip with a 16 inch vertical.  But you have to go straight up, wait, tuck.  This isn't a natural move for most people. 

So use a spotter.  A spotter will make you backflip a million times faster.  The spotter basically forces you to have correct timing - up, set, throw.   Someone decently strong can start with a spot where you are held the entire time, then progress to a lighter and lighter spot.  It takes the fear and the guess work out of the move completely.   

For front flips you can flip up onto a high jump mat to safely eliminate fear without ruining technique.

*** My point is that aside from a few bad habits you are strong and limber enough to take to this sport very quickly.  And unlike in sprinting you actually have a far more optimal build relative to me.  My legs are way to long to be a good gymnast relative to my body height - I think your build will be perfect for it.