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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #1710 on: March 27, 2013, 10:15:10 am »
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You've read your shit man! Voltaren ( Diclofenac ) is indeed the most popular NSAID here ( Greece ), and  mostly famous for arthritic pain relieving. I used to ignore the continous ibuprofen references, thinking it is just more popular in the US, but i think the Australian guys mentioned it too lately so i wanted to ask and get some feedback. I am happy with Diclofenac's action ( being as uncertain as LBSS is about the placebo effect ) so i am keeping it. Interesting info about hepar and muscle growth impacts.

Thanks both!  :highfive:

PS : Just saw the hangover part, you might want to try 1000mg paracetamol. No idea if they are popular/available overseas, but they work wonders for everyday aspirin-like usage. Most popular brand names here are Depon/Panadol.
« Last Edit: March 27, 2013, 10:22:15 am by vag »
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #1711 on: March 27, 2013, 10:21:51 am »
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re: t0ddday -

i know chronic NSAID use is bad, especially for the liver, and that acutely it doesn't actually speed healing. however, a little bit here, a little bit there does seem to help me with pain/discomfort.
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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #1712 on: March 27, 2013, 12:14:42 pm »
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vag is from Greece? wtf

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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #1713 on: March 27, 2013, 12:20:24 pm »
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Didn't you know? I've mentioned it quite a few times and it's also stated in my profile here. Where did you think i am?
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?

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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #1714 on: March 27, 2013, 02:13:43 pm »
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I figured USA. I actually work for a Greek company and since it's in bets... we're lucky we are on the same time zone or else it would've been a pain to convert the time zone difference :P

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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #1715 on: March 27, 2013, 11:56:15 pm »
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WEIGHT: ???
SORENESS: peroneals, tib anterior, soleus, calves...everything around the ankles
ACHES/INJURIES: right hip but not terrible
MENTAL STATE: meh

- foam roll and stretch x 60 mins
ow.
« Last Edit: March 28, 2013, 12:11:59 am by LBSS »
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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #1716 on: March 29, 2013, 12:15:31 am »
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WEIGHT: ???
SORENESS: peroneals, tib anterior, soleus, calves...everything around the ankles
ACHES/INJURIES: right hip but not terrible
MENTAL STATE: loose, happy

- warm up

- indoor ultimate x 60 mins
blew the other team off the court, won by like 30. got really sloppy and goofy by the end, just having fun. so for the season we finished 5th of 20 teams, with two of our captains and a couple of other players going down with injuries. not too shabby. it was fun but i'm looking forward to renewed focus on the gym. now that the season is over i'm going to see what's up with this wednesday night basketball game at GW. if the court is free after they're done that could become my substitute for the old gym. would be great to have a consistent place to do running jumps again.
« Last Edit: March 29, 2013, 12:17:11 am by LBSS »
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https://www.savannahstate.edu/cost/nrotc/documents/Inform2010-thearmstrongworkout_Enclosure15_5-2-10.pdf

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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #1717 on: March 30, 2013, 07:13:54 pm »
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WEIGHT: 177.5
SORENESS: none (surprisingly)
ACHES/INJURIES: still noticing right hip but barely  :highfive:
MENTAL STATE: kind of groggy, low energy

- warm up

- rudimentary hops

- S1: SVJ x 3,3,3
- S1: jump squat 30 x 3,3
- S1 info: ~2 mins rest between exercises. jumps were all bad.

- squat 345 x 1; 280 x 4,4
got stuck halfway up on the single but was never in real danger of losing the rep. form solid despite having to force my way through the middle of the rep.

- push press 140 x 4,4
second set better

- C1: pull up x 7,6,6,6
- C1: ab pull down x 20
- C1: GHR x 3
- C1 info: 4 rounds, ~30-60s rest

- stretch

sooooo unexplosive today. better luck on monday.
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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #1718 on: March 30, 2013, 08:24:00 pm »
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How is the high bar going?

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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #1719 on: April 01, 2013, 10:34:32 pm »
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well i'm still just using it to warm up. some days i can get under 225, other days not.

WEIGHT: 177
SORENESS: calves, soleus
ACHES/INJURIES: right ITB, near outside of knee. knee around medial head of the tibia.
MENTAL STATE: stressed out, angry, had a frustrating day at work. uncoordinated -- dropped a clip twice while loading/unloading weights.

- warm up

- ankle hops x 30,30

- rudimentary hops

- jump squat 30 x 3,3

- SVJ x 3,3,3
trying to chunk it up a little more. these were bad, ~25 but felt more unexplosive than usual.

- squat 335 x 1; 360 x 1 PR; 290 x 4,4
well, how about that. i didn't feel great, not sure why i decided to go for it. but a buddy confirmed that depth was well below parallel. it was a touch slow but never got stuck. cool.

- push press 115 x 4,4; 140 x 4
need to work on form. start from the rack. lighter weights until i figure it out. another dude was doing picture-perfect push presses and i was just like, well, i should at least TRY to do them better. AELS4LYFE.

- C1: pull up x 7,7,6,6
- C1a: GHR x 4
- C1b: hyper 60 x 10
- C1: ab pull down x 20
- C1 info: 4 rounds, ~30s between exercises. alternated a/b.

- stretch
Muscles are nonsensical they have nothing to do with this bullshit.

- Avishek

https://www.savannahstate.edu/cost/nrotc/documents/Inform2010-thearmstrongworkout_Enclosure15_5-2-10.pdf

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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #1720 on: April 02, 2013, 04:51:47 am »
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- squat 335 x 1; 360 x 1 PR; 290 x 4,4
well, how about that. i didn't feel great, not sure why i decided to go for it. but a buddy confirmed that depth was well below parallel. it was a touch slow but never got stuck. cool.


:highfive:  :headbang:  :ibsquatting:




WEIGHT: 177

- SVJ x 3,3,3
trying to chunk it up a little more. these were bad, ~25 but felt more unexplosive than usual.

- squat 335 x 1; 360 x 1 PR; 290 x 4,4


:raging:

does-not-compute!!!
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #1721 on: April 02, 2013, 05:02:32 am »
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Too bored to search, does ibuprofen help healing? I mean does it actively act against the inflammation or does it just reduce the pain? Are you happy with it's action?
I am asking because here the most 'popular' and 'proven' nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drug is Voltaren ( whose action from what i see is based on Diclofenac ). But everyone seems to swear to ibuprofen on the net so i was wondering if i should give it a chance. Also, pills or gel? Gel massage is what i use, but i've read its nonsence because the gel cant penetrate more than a couple of inches (shut up raptor!), so it can never reach the muscles.
Sooo off topic!  :derp:


Both are anti-inflammatory.   None actually helps healing.  Voltaren is just a brand name for drug Diclofenac.   Like Advil and Ibuprofen.   Try to avoid all NSAIDs if you can for regular use.   I don't want to get into the details but all have some drawbacks, not the least of which is hepatic toxicity (bad for you liver).  For those who don't care about their health... there is also evidence that they interfere with muscle gains (that should make you avoid them!) when used chronically.   Personally, I favor athletes use Naproxen rather than Ibuprofen (brand name Aleve, celebrex is similar).   

In general Diclofenac is available in the widely available Eastern Part of Europe (Turkey, Bulgaria, etc) and Ibuprofen in America.   If anything I would argue for Diclofenac, there are better studies for diclofenac and arthritis relief than ibuprofen.  Additionally dicofenac gel is much safer... if it works for you by all means use it!   In general everyone on the net seems to use ibuprofen cause that's whats available in America  and "everyone on the net" is probably from America.  IMO not worth the effort for you to get it if you can't pick it up OTC.   If you find Diclofenac doesn't work at all, I would try Naproxen.

word, celebrex is the shit. i found it much gentler. you need a script here to get it though which sucks, so most of the time you end up getting ibuprofen because it's otc. but i dont like ibuprofen, it works a treat though. gary who posted here before swore by voltaren as a revelation for treating his localised knee problems after years of using the other stuff.
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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #1722 on: April 02, 2013, 07:16:18 am »
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I think sometimes the body is good at producing long-time tension (like what would happen in a PR) but sucks at producing very intense, short bursts of tension. You can say it's lacking in coordinating all these motor neurons to fire all at once in that short time-frame (to get that very intense, short burst of tension that would occur in a jump) but they are able to fire when TUT becomes long (like in a 1RM squat).

Other than that... I can't think of another explanation.

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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #1723 on: April 02, 2013, 10:14:01 am »
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@entropy: gary had the most amazing clean grip overhead squats. blew my mind.

@vag: yeah, i don't get it either.

@raptor: that has the ring of verisimilitude.
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Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« Reply #1724 on: April 02, 2013, 10:44:05 am »
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Do you have any vids of your SVJ? Maybe its a mechanics issue? You should definitely be jumping higher!
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