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Re: proper way to lean down/diet/lose weight
« Reply #15 on: April 24, 2011, 11:14:41 am »
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my mistake it wasn't lance it was %ick....

but i see a few people agree with me though so yes i do know what i'm talking about, i only make a living out of this, a very successful living too

you need to:

1 - eat more
2 - be efficient with your wts training
3 - maybe cut back on bball
4 - 1800 cals/day is far too low for your activity level
5 - you can'r start your diet at the finish point, you need to progress there...that is why you stall quickly
6 - if you weight 150 now and drop 5pds and build a little muscle you won't be 145 anyway, you'll be 147-148
7 - your natural wt is 140 if you don;t wanna train, if you do then it's higher

see i know lots and lots

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Re: proper way to lean down/diet/lose weight
« Reply #16 on: April 24, 2011, 03:05:53 pm »
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I'm asking advice on how to successfully get leaner/lighter, you provided no advice on that, so I don't get what advice I should be taking... and lance has not posted anything here idiot.

Why can't I compare myself to nba players? I'm not comparing skills... 

Either way I'm just using them as an example.  A lot of players, if they put on significant more weight from muscle mass, they are more at risk of injury, and will become less mobile/agile/athletic...

People do have optimal weights they would perform best at

Take care of OSD first. You can't even think about jumping high until you've fixed that.

Simply running a calorie deficit works ok if your body fat is reasonably high and you just want to get leaner and lighter and don't care too much about maintaining as much mass and maximum strength as possible. Strength work to maintain strength and increase protein retention and extra conditioning work to burn a few more calories and get in shape for bball along with running a ~500 calorie deficit a day and keeping your protein/carb/fat ratios alright will be much better for performance.

A huge drop in calorie intake, even if you drop your expenditure considerably, tends to not work well for a lot of athletes.

You still need to sort your knee before you should worry about that though.

Strength training makes you more resistant to injury, not less, and there's no reason to become less mobile,agile and athletic unless your training wrong. Really, getting stronger should make you more agile, faster and jump higher.

Forget about optimal weight while your still growing getting taller and filling out makes it a pointless worry. Optimal weight for adult athletes is mainly a function of focus on training between skill, strength and conditioning. For you optimal weight is what ever you gain while doing a little bit of strength work, eating properly and playing and conditioning for your sport.

If you're knee can't handle being 150lbs it won't be able to handle jumping a couple of inches higher at 145lbs. Get your knee sorted. Back off anything intense, keep moving with light shootarounds etc and ice and ibuprofen, what ever your PT/doc says and then strength, mobility and activation work.

Some interesting points...

Howeverr about the getting less athletic thing, you read wrong, I said a lot of people will go trhu that with too much MASS gains,not strength.

Also I'm 21, turning 22 soon.  I grew and filled out my body since my hs days. I just happen to have osd still
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Re: proper way to lean down/diet/lose weight
« Reply #17 on: April 24, 2011, 03:09:26 pm »
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my mistake it wasn't lance it was %ick....

but i see a few people agree with me though so yes i do know what i'm talking about, i only make a living out of this, a very successful living too

you need to:

1 - eat more
2 - be efficient with your wts training
3 - maybe cut back on bball
4 - 1800 cals/day is far too low for your activity level
5 - you can'r start your diet at the finish point, you need to progress there...that is why you stall quickly
6 - if you weight 150 now and drop 5pds and build a little muscle you won't be 145 anyway, you'll be 147-148
7 - your natural wt is 140 if you don;t wanna train, if you do then it's higher

see i know lots and lots

So if I progress my diet lower and lower calories, when I reach my target weight, do I progress more and more calories again?  Instead of just eating my previous maintenance diet right away?

And I meant including a lil muscle gain, hit 145.  So like 8 lb fat loss, 3 lb muscle gain or something
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Re: proper way to lean down/diet/lose weight
« Reply #18 on: April 24, 2011, 08:39:47 pm »
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if i was you i'd keep the same cal intake but make them better/cleaner calories initially then it that doesn't work then start to drop them slowly

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Re: proper way to lean down/diet/lose weight
« Reply #19 on: April 25, 2011, 12:16:05 am »
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if i was you i'd keep the same cal intake but make them better/cleaner calories initially then it that doesn't work then start to drop them slowly

I see, I'll try that. 

Whether that works, or I stop to drop calories slowly, when I hit 145~ish, how should I get OFF my diet?  Do I slowly start eating more and more? 

Last time, I was very dumb, just went back to eating like I did before and put the weight back on quick (I just assumed if eating this much was maintenance before, it should be the same now)
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Re: proper way to lean down/diet/lose weight
« Reply #20 on: April 25, 2011, 04:49:14 am »
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if you can do it by eating cleaner than you simply need to just continue with it

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Re: proper way to lean down/diet/lose weight
« Reply #21 on: April 25, 2011, 03:11:19 pm »
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if you can do it by eating cleaner than you simply need to just continue with it

If I continue eating cleaner, and it helped me reach 145~, wouldn't I just continue losing weight past 145?

And what if just eating cleaner doesn't work and I need to reduce calories.
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Re: proper way to lean down/diet/lose weight
« Reply #22 on: April 25, 2011, 06:01:59 pm »
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Then it's fat that you're losing so you'll be fine.

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Re: proper way to lean down/diet/lose weight
« Reply #23 on: April 25, 2011, 06:15:20 pm »
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Then it's fat that you're losing so you'll be fine.

But obviously I don't want to get lower than 145ish. 

Don't ask why.  I don't feel like I should/need to explain why I want to be a certain weight.  Your answer would of been nice if I said I wanna lose as much fat as possible.  But no, I just asked for 145.
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Re: proper way to lean down/diet/lose weight
« Reply #24 on: April 25, 2011, 06:20:53 pm »
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Ok, lose some muscle, get some fat on and be happy at 145.

Or, lose the fat (wherever that gets you) and then, after your BF is low, start putting on muscle.

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Re: proper way to lean down/diet/lose weight
« Reply #25 on: April 25, 2011, 08:20:11 pm »
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putting a number on your wt is a silly thing to do as i've tried to put to you - what if you jump higher at 150? what if you look better at 160?

in the end you'll simply be obsessed with being 145 on the dot and everything else (strength, vert etc) will fall away

you won't lose wt from eating clean if you're at a maintenance cal intake

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Re: proper way to lean down/diet/lose weight
« Reply #26 on: May 01, 2011, 07:08:14 pm »
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if i was you i'd keep the same cal intake but make them better/cleaner calories initially then it that doesn't work then start to drop them slowly

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Re: proper way to lean down/diet/lose weight
« Reply #27 on: May 02, 2011, 04:01:03 am »
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if i was you i'd keep the same cal intake but make them better/cleaner calories initially then it that doesn't work then start to drop them slowly

:ninja:?

it = if

He means, he should try to get his calories from cleaner sources (and lose fat through hormonal manipulation) and if that doesn't work then start to eat less and less calories.

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Re: proper way to lean down/diet/lose weight
« Reply #28 on: May 02, 2011, 04:28:47 am »
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i know what he meant, lol, and still: :ninja:?

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Re: proper way to lean down/diet/lose weight
« Reply #29 on: May 02, 2011, 06:11:10 am »
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i know what he meant, lol, and still: :ninja:?

You did? Dang, I thought you needed my superior understanding to translate it to your level. Lol, just kidding. :P