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Re: IAAF 2017 World Championships
« Reply #30 on: August 08, 2017, 12:03:53 am »
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women's triple jump was awesome.. great competition.

Caterine Ibarguen (sp?) is straight fire.

women's 1500m was dope too, Jenny Simpson caught that silver.. crazy come from behind 2nd & 3rd by Simpson and Semenya (sp?).

tomorrow: Mens 800m & 400m finals  :headbang:

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Re: IAAF 2017 World Championships
« Reply #31 on: August 08, 2017, 09:39:12 am »
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Nice, they will be showing it on the bbc channels and online. Excited. Bolt not doing the 200m as he sees the risk of losing it is quite high. Should be exciting.

100m prospects: degrasse, gatlin (little to some chance), yohan blake recovering well, new american talent and usain bolt.

Then you have van neekirk and his blasting away the competitions in the 400m and breaking records. I don't see kirani james or the american guy keeping up with him.

I bet Bolt is kicking himself now after the 100m. Bolt is a phenomenal 100m sprinter but to me his 200m has always been where he is the standout as nobody can match his top speed and speed maintenance. However, most importantly getting a bad start is a lot less detrimental in the 200m in comparison to the 100 because you have the time to make up. Despite the loss Bolt is a legend.
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Re: IAAF 2017 World Championships
« Reply #32 on: August 08, 2017, 09:51:07 am »
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<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wk_EAQooa24" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wk_EAQooa24</a>

it's a fair question for sure.. maybe not to bolt/gatlin/coleman in that moment, but, definitely a fair question overall.. times were getting insane, everyone running under 9.8, with 9.7's and 9.6's, even 9.5's for bolt.. all of that "fire" seemed to disappear. Now, a 9.8 and even a low 9.9 is back to winning everything.

so many people over the years got busted, including Tyson Gay & Gatlin himself, as well as several of Bolt's teammates.

Bolt's response was a bit over the top..



I still hope he's clean.

http://www.alltime-athletics.com/m_100ok.htm

Also, Blake kinda just "shows up" in 2012.. :ninja:

Yeah I can understand the frustration though. Ever since the Ben Johnson saga the results have always been overshadowed with suspicion.

Blake got a suspension early in his career for using stimulants. He really came out of the shadows in 2011 when he won the World Champs after Bolt's infamous false start. Unfortunately for Blake he's just had a tumultuous time with injuries and as a sprinter to get to your peak you need to be injury free and sustain that. Michael Johnson apart from his speed and being up until recently the world's greatest 200/400m sprinter in history was very fortunate in that he was durable and didn't have many injuries along the way.

With regards to Gatlin of course I agree that it's a pity he has used PEDs in the past. However, you've got to admire his resilience to come back after 2 doping bans and still being a force in his mid 30's. A lot of other people would've received a 4 year ban and given it all away and nobody would blame them.
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Re: IAAF 2017 World Championships
« Reply #33 on: August 08, 2017, 09:59:06 am »
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Nice, they will be showing it on the bbc channels and online. Excited. Bolt not doing the 200m as he sees the risk of losing it is quite high. Should be exciting.

100m prospects: degrasse, gatlin (little to some chance), yohan blake recovering well, new american talent and usain bolt.

Then you have van neekirk and his blasting away the competitions in the 400m and breaking records. I don't see kirani james or the american guy keeping up with him.

I bet Bolt is kicking himself now after the 100m. Bolt is a phenomenal 100m sprinter but to me his 200m has always been where he is the standout as nobody can match his top speed and speed maintenance. However, most importantly getting a bad start is a lot less detrimental in the 200m in comparison to the 100 because you have the time to make up. Despite the loss Bolt is a legend.

I personally don't care at all if he lost, doesn't tarnish him at all IMHO. I mean it sucks but, I respect him more that he tried, rather than walking off into the sunset - i'm weird like that it seems. I guess I just like to see people keep competing as long as they are able AND they want to compete - the idea of retiring early just to walk off with some story book ending has always bugged me, in every sport.

I wish he did the 200m. He'd probably walk away with a W in 200m and 3rd in 100m. Played it somewhat safe by only doing 100m and now he doesn't have a chance to end it in the event he probably had the better chance to win, especially with Degrasse out.



<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wk_EAQooa24" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wk_EAQooa24</a>

it's a fair question for sure.. maybe not to bolt/gatlin/coleman in that moment, but, definitely a fair question overall.. times were getting insane, everyone running under 9.8, with 9.7's and 9.6's, even 9.5's for bolt.. all of that "fire" seemed to disappear. Now, a 9.8 and even a low 9.9 is back to winning everything.

so many people over the years got busted, including Tyson Gay & Gatlin himself, as well as several of Bolt's teammates.

Bolt's response was a bit over the top..



I still hope he's clean.

http://www.alltime-athletics.com/m_100ok.htm

Also, Blake kinda just "shows up" in 2012.. :ninja:

Yeah I can understand the frustration though. Ever since the Ben Johnson saga the results have always been overshadowed with suspicion.

Blake got a suspension early in his career for using stimulants. He really came out of the shadows in 2011 when he won the World Champs after Bolt's infamous false start. Unfortunately for Blake he's just had a tumultuous time with injuries and as a sprinter to get to your peak you need to be injury free and sustain that. Michael Johnson apart from his speed and being up until recently the world's greatest 200/400m sprinter in history was very fortunate in that he was durable and didn't have many injuries along the way.

With regards to Gatlin of course I agree that it's a pity he has used PEDs in the past. However, you've got to admire his resilience to come back after 2 doping bans and still being a force in his mid 30's. A lot of other people would've received a 4 year ban and given it all away and nobody would blame them.

yup. def!

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Re: IAAF 2017 World Championships
« Reply #34 on: August 08, 2017, 09:59:51 am »
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<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7onQ8r4Cb7o" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7onQ8r4Cb7o</a>

Thompson missing out on a medal in the 100m was a huge upset. She's been the dominant 100m sprinter for the past year. Ivory Coast representing well.
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« Reply #35 on: August 08, 2017, 10:02:21 am »
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Nice, they will be showing it on the bbc channels and online. Excited. Bolt not doing the 200m as he sees the risk of losing it is quite high. Should be exciting.

100m prospects: degrasse, gatlin (little to some chance), yohan blake recovering well, new american talent and usain bolt.

Then you have van neekirk and his blasting away the competitions in the 400m and breaking records. I don't see kirani james or the american guy keeping up with him.

I bet Bolt is kicking himself now after the 100m. Bolt is a phenomenal 100m sprinter but to me his 200m has always been where he is the standout as nobody can match his top speed and speed maintenance. However, most importantly getting a bad start is a lot less detrimental in the 200m in comparison to the 100 because you have the time to make up. Despite the loss Bolt is a legend.

I personally don't care at all if he lost, doesn't tarnish him at all IMHO. I mean it sucks but, I respect him more that he tried, rather than walking off into the sunset - i'm weird like that it seems. I guess I just like to see people keep competing as long as they are able AND they want to compete - the idea of retiring early just to walk off with some story book ending has always bugged me, in every sport.

I wish he did the 200m. He'd probably walk away with a W in 200m and 3rd in 100m. Played it somewhat safe by only doing 100m and now he doesn't have a chance to end it in the event he probably had the better chance to win, especially with Degrasse out.



<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wk_EAQooa24" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wk_EAQooa24</a>

it's a fair question for sure.. maybe not to bolt/gatlin/coleman in that moment, but, definitely a fair question overall.. times were getting insane, everyone running under 9.8, with 9.7's and 9.6's, even 9.5's for bolt.. all of that "fire" seemed to disappear. Now, a 9.8 and even a low 9.9 is back to winning everything.

so many people over the years got busted, including Tyson Gay & Gatlin himself, as well as several of Bolt's teammates.

Bolt's response was a bit over the top..



I still hope he's clean.

http://www.alltime-athletics.com/m_100ok.htm

Also, Blake kinda just "shows up" in 2012.. :ninja:

Yeah I can understand the frustration though. Ever since the Ben Johnson saga the results have always been overshadowed with suspicion.

Blake got a suspension early in his career for using stimulants. He really came out of the shadows in 2011 when he won the World Champs after Bolt's infamous false start. Unfortunately for Blake he's just had a tumultuous time with injuries and as a sprinter to get to your peak you need to be injury free and sustain that. Michael Johnson apart from his speed and being up until recently the world's greatest 200/400m sprinter in history was very fortunate in that he was durable and didn't have many injuries along the way.

With regards to Gatlin of course I agree that it's a pity he has used PEDs in the past. However, you've got to admire his resilience to come back after 2 doping bans and still being a force in his mid 30's. A lot of other people would've received a 4 year ban and given it all away and nobody would blame them.

yup. def!

Definitely! We can't all have fairly tale endings haha.

The 200m will be deadly!  :headbang:
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Re: IAAF 2017 World Championships
« Reply #36 on: August 08, 2017, 10:12:09 am »
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This is a good article on the Justin Gatlin story:

http://www.sportsintegrityinitiative.com/demonising-justin-gatlin/

Takeaways: the first ban was explainable/excusable, should never have gotten a record based on the evidence. The second offense was bizarre and could plausibly have been sabotage, but impossible to prove unless the guy came forward. As the article says: he had several tests around the positive test all come back clean, why would he randomly use test in the middle of the season? Very odd pattern. Also, without the bogus first test he wouldn't have gotten four years.

Also, it's not completely unreasonable that he could have a second career peak based on the fact he took a four-year break from the sport. It's naive to think most top-level sprinters don't experiment around the edges heavily, but the response against Gatlin when compared to Blake, Powell, Gay etc. is over the top! Embarrassing to see him booed and it was pretty cool to see him literally silence the critics.

...I just wish he hadn't beaten Bolt  :huh:

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« Reply #37 on: August 08, 2017, 10:59:04 am »
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This is a good article on the Justin Gatlin story:

http://www.sportsintegrityinitiative.com/demonising-justin-gatlin/

Takeaways: the first ban was explainable/excusable, should never have gotten a record based on the evidence. The second offense was bizarre and could plausibly have been sabotage, but impossible to prove unless the guy came forward. As the article says: he had several tests around the positive test all come back clean, why would he randomly use test in the middle of the season? Very odd pattern. Also, without the bogus first test he wouldn't have gotten four years.

Also, it's not completely unreasonable that he could have a second career peak based on the fact he took a four-year break from the sport. It's naive to think most top-level sprinters don't experiment around the edges heavily, but the response against Gatlin when compared to Blake, Powell, Gay etc. is over the top! Embarrassing to see him booed and it was pretty cool to see him literally silence the critics.

...I just wish he hadn't beaten Bolt  :huh:

Agree 100%. First test shouldn't have been put on his record but he still had to serve a doping ban. Yet the media keeping pushing down '2 Doping bans' Sebastian coe IAAF president of all people 'Goes against gatlins 2 doping bans' and the people at home rely on the media for giving accurate information.

People who served doping bans include shelly anne fraiser, yohan blake, asafa powel, yohan blake, dwain chambers yet they put all their hate on gatlin thanks to the media.

I am happy gatlin won cos of this and also because he was so close last time and he kept failing and trying for many years and finally gets it.

I would have preferred bolt come second.

Judging his 100m performance, I don't think he would do that well in the 200m, as in the 100m he was behind and started making up ground in the middle, but you will see that gatlin comes from behind bolt and coleman to take the win, he didn't have the ability to start catching up. Looking at the competition in the 200m such as wayde van nee kirk who broke 300m world record, he would have struggled there and bolt realizing this decided not to attempt it as he himself he wanted to go out winning therefore left out 200m.
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« Reply #38 on: August 08, 2017, 03:24:06 pm »
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WTF is going on with the case on mkwala, he was taken out of 200m and now 400m.
And IAAF has not said anything about it. He was a serious threat to wvnk.

Hmm  ::) what's going on behind the scene.
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« Reply #39 on: August 08, 2017, 11:50:39 pm »
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WVN is a beast.  :ibrunning:

That dude who came from last place in the last ~80m to finish 3rd was pretty incredible too, what a finish.

800m final & pole vault was pretty dope too.



Nice, they will be showing it on the bbc channels and online. Excited. Bolt not doing the 200m as he sees the risk of losing it is quite high. Should be exciting.

100m prospects: degrasse, gatlin (little to some chance), yohan blake recovering well, new american talent and usain bolt.

Then you have van neekirk and his blasting away the competitions in the 400m and breaking records. I don't see kirani james or the american guy keeping up with him.

I bet Bolt is kicking himself now after the 100m. Bolt is a phenomenal 100m sprinter but to me his 200m has always been where he is the standout as nobody can match his top speed and speed maintenance. However, most importantly getting a bad start is a lot less detrimental in the 200m in comparison to the 100 because you have the time to make up. Despite the loss Bolt is a legend.

I personally don't care at all if he lost, doesn't tarnish him at all IMHO. I mean it sucks but, I respect him more that he tried, rather than walking off into the sunset - i'm weird like that it seems. I guess I just like to see people keep competing as long as they are able AND they want to compete - the idea of retiring early just to walk off with some story book ending has always bugged me, in every sport.

I wish he did the 200m. He'd probably walk away with a W in 200m and 3rd in 100m. Played it somewhat safe by only doing 100m and now he doesn't have a chance to end it in the event he probably had the better chance to win, especially with Degrasse out.



<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wk_EAQooa24" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wk_EAQooa24</a>

it's a fair question for sure.. maybe not to bolt/gatlin/coleman in that moment, but, definitely a fair question overall.. times were getting insane, everyone running under 9.8, with 9.7's and 9.6's, even 9.5's for bolt.. all of that "fire" seemed to disappear. Now, a 9.8 and even a low 9.9 is back to winning everything.

so many people over the years got busted, including Tyson Gay & Gatlin himself, as well as several of Bolt's teammates.

Bolt's response was a bit over the top..



I still hope he's clean.

http://www.alltime-athletics.com/m_100ok.htm

Also, Blake kinda just "shows up" in 2012.. :ninja:

Yeah I can understand the frustration though. Ever since the Ben Johnson saga the results have always been overshadowed with suspicion.

Blake got a suspension early in his career for using stimulants. He really came out of the shadows in 2011 when he won the World Champs after Bolt's infamous false start. Unfortunately for Blake he's just had a tumultuous time with injuries and as a sprinter to get to your peak you need to be injury free and sustain that. Michael Johnson apart from his speed and being up until recently the world's greatest 200/400m sprinter in history was very fortunate in that he was durable and didn't have many injuries along the way.

With regards to Gatlin of course I agree that it's a pity he has used PEDs in the past. However, you've got to admire his resilience to come back after 2 doping bans and still being a force in his mid 30's. A lot of other people would've received a 4 year ban and given it all away and nobody would blame them.

yup. def!

Definitely! We can't all have fairly tale endings haha.

The 200m will be deadly!  :headbang:

they keep comparing WVN to Bolt, which is annoying... but, 400/200 dominance by WVN could allow WVN to slip right into that gap that Bolt just left wide open.. If Bolt would have run 200m and beat WVN, that'd be a good closing touch on his career, now that WVN is taking off.

200m is going to be dope.. i'd love to see WVN pull out a win and become this 200/400 guy :D



This is a good article on the Justin Gatlin story:

http://www.sportsintegrityinitiative.com/demonising-justin-gatlin/

Takeaways: the first ban was explainable/excusable, should never have gotten a record based on the evidence. The second offense was bizarre and could plausibly have been sabotage, but impossible to prove unless the guy came forward. As the article says: he had several tests around the positive test all come back clean, why would he randomly use test in the middle of the season? Very odd pattern. Also, without the bogus first test he wouldn't have gotten four years.

Also, it's not completely unreasonable that he could have a second career peak based on the fact he took a four-year break from the sport. It's naive to think most top-level sprinters don't experiment around the edges heavily, but the response against Gatlin when compared to Blake, Powell, Gay etc. is over the top! Embarrassing to see him booed and it was pretty cool to see him literally silence the critics.

...I just wish he hadn't beaten Bolt  :huh:

ooh nice. going to give that a read tmw.

on a side note: seems like people who are willing to cheat should get into business or politics :/  :ninja: there it's respected.

something about "paying dues" that doesn't work anymore ... ie serving a ban and no one cares. "Once a cheat, always a cheat." Yet, fairweather fans want to keep the WR's keep dropping or they get bored with the sport/performances.

booing someone when they win like that, is pretty dirty.. i mean, they don't know if they are doping or not - but still boo.. at least let them have a moment without booing, maybe just less cheers without the boos.. but pretty disrespectful to boo at that moment.

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Re: IAAF 2017 World Championships
« Reply #40 on: August 09, 2017, 02:00:25 am »
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Yeah, not sure why you'd boo Gatlin, he is pretty well respected by his peers so he gets the ovation from me.....
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« Reply #41 on: August 09, 2017, 06:30:08 am »
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something about "paying dues" that doesn't work anymore ... ie serving a ban and no one cares. "Once a cheat, always a cheat." Yet, fairweather fans want to keep the WR's keep dropping or they get bored with the sport/performances.

Agree with the above, but it's not really black and white like that, if they admitted cheating and taking drugs, then yes once a cheat and therefore shouldn't be allowed to compete again but then most cases are that 'whether they are lying or not' but most of the cases are ambigious as in the player denies knowing that he had that substance inside his body, which could have been avoided through thorough checking of what they allow or don't allow, but from these cases it's not as simple as once a cheat always a cheat.

Also update regarding mkwala, watching on bbc, his doctor's came on they said nothing was wrong with him, he vomited after getting on bus, while the iaaf medical personel came on and said he vomitted twice and without doing test they assumed he had a virus and stopped him from competing based on recommendations of health england and yet even though a recommendation they enforced it as law and so many other ambiguity i.e. they say he vomitted twice one at 10pm, but his doctor says he was with mkwala doing check up of mkwala at that time, just alot of confusion of he contradictions of he did this or he did that. But this is bad management from the iaaf medical team and just ill prepared for this situation coming up.

I hope he does the relay.
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« Reply #42 on: August 09, 2017, 07:27:45 am »
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I heard a lot of athletes were sick. E.g. Elaine Thompson was vomiting for hours but she still competed. Jamaicans be like 'they poisoned our food'.
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« Reply #43 on: August 09, 2017, 03:38:37 pm »
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I heard a lot of athletes were sick. E.g. Elaine Thompson was vomiting for hours but she still competed. Jamaicans be like 'they poisoned our food'.

lol, probably. Or they think the US sabotaged the Jamaican camps, but mcleod managed to e

I'm so happy they allowed mkwala to participate in the 200m lol a one man race.
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« Reply #44 on: August 09, 2017, 09:56:29 pm »
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I heard a lot of athletes were sick. E.g. Elaine Thompson was vomiting for hours but she still competed. Jamaicans be like 'they poisoned our food'.

lol, probably. Or they think the US sabotaged the Jamaican camps, but mcleod managed to e

I'm so happy they allowed mkwala to participate in the 200m lol a one man race.

that was awesome haha.. plus he did pushups at the end, beastmode.

good for him.



Mo was struggling in that 5k qualifier ... dno, will be amazing if he ends up getting a W for 5000m.




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