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Bromell vs Lyles 60m
« on: February 08, 2023, 04:52:12 pm »
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<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWpyNcoOyes" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWpyNcoOyes</a>

Really love this matchup. Bromell has been a long time favorite, his form was something I thought was really intriguing a few years back. He had this perfectly upright, hips perfectly stable sort of form that no one else did.
It looks like recently he has taken a more rounded upper back to utilize the upper traps to help with the arm swing, which I'm not sure about. Intuitively I believe it could lengthen the arm swing at the start to better counterbalance the longer GCT's of the leg drive, but I could be wrong.

Lyles has a kind of elegance to his run, have some theories but not certain of any of them, so will not share. What I can say definitively though: compare their knee action and angles at the last 10m at the peak of their swing phases.
I think Lyles has a kind of looseness at that joint at that moment, and longer strides with possibly a slight APT related to that.
Bromell keeps the knee tight at peak swing phase, and that relates to shorter strides, higher stride frequency, and more PPT. I think there's something to both techniques. I do believe that Lyles technique is more energy efficient, which makes sense given his 200m prowess.

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Re: Bromell vs Lyles 60m
« Reply #1 on: February 09, 2023, 05:54:56 pm »
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dum9tt2gYDE

Holy effing crap, he literally says "during the last 10m i feel like my knee drive fell off a little bit". Extremely similar to my original insight about this

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Re: Bromell vs Lyles 60m
« Reply #2 on: February 10, 2023, 09:23:51 am »
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Re: Bromell vs Lyles 60m
« Reply #3 on: February 10, 2023, 12:56:40 pm »
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<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=polBGxwsE9I" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=polBGxwsE9I</a>
Warm up drills
   - a walk, b skip quick powerful switch (heel to hams focus), a runs, dribbles small to big to run, straight leg to runs (force, reflex, go up/forward). force to hit the ground before it hits the ground knee/hip is at 90 degrees.
   - acceleration: low heel recovery, shin angle low, drive legs back before hitting the ground and drive thighs/knee forward not up
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Measuring reminder:
5 toe to heel steps = 148cm
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Re: Bromell vs Lyles 60m
« Reply #4 on: February 13, 2023, 04:04:24 am »
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trayvon bromell just made up for his loss against lyles by dropping this bomb.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMhLX8cuXyI" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMhLX8cuXyI</a>

Then lyles false starts and christian coleman wins a different 60m race.
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGitRDVuyIA" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGitRDVuyIA</a>
Warm up drills
   - a walk, b skip quick powerful switch (heel to hams focus), a runs, dribbles small to big to run, straight leg to runs (force, reflex, go up/forward). force to hit the ground before it hits the ground knee/hip is at 90 degrees.
   - acceleration: low heel recovery, shin angle low, drive legs back before hitting the ground and drive thighs/knee forward not up
-------------------------------------------------------------
Measuring reminder:
5 toe to heel steps = 148cm
------------------------------------------------------------------------

�Strength comes from the legs, Power comes from the torso and Speed comes from the arm.� � Al Vermeil
Arm also aids the legs in driving it down with power - seifullaah73

My Progress Log
A Journey to Running fast and Jumping High
http://www.adarq.org/progress-journals-experimental-routines/my-journey-to-hypertrophy/

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Re: Bromell vs Lyles 60m
« Reply #5 on: February 13, 2023, 09:41:37 pm »
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trayvon bromell just made up for his loss against lyles by dropping this bomb.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMhLX8cuXyI" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMhLX8cuXyI</a>

Then lyles false starts and christian coleman wins a different 60m race.
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGitRDVuyIA" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGitRDVuyIA</a>

Sick. I like how little swaying his shoulders have compared to everyone else. I don't know that that's necessarily a good thing but it's working for him and looks cool

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Re: Bromell vs Lyles 60m
« Reply #6 on: February 13, 2023, 10:01:00 pm »
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<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDwooptNWBM" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDwooptNWBM</a>

Look at his mid/upper back at 0:13. Freaking enormous for a sprinter. He looks like Asafa Powell