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Re: Petey Basketball Training
« Reply #15 on: March 30, 2011, 03:04:19 pm »
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Amazing post, agree w. pretty much everything on here.
You should make a thread in here and start basketball-blogging every once in a while man, seen nothing but good info coming from you.
Thanks

seriously you should have your own blog or thread

Thanks guys. I love this game and have a fair amount of experience at most levels of it. I don't get to coach enough do to work/school so this is one of my only outlets to fulfill that itch.

I actually have a domain/blog semi-ready to go that I was working on. I was going to combine both basketball training/teaching and my love for the NBA/somecollege ball. It's not really in working order yet but the domain is http://callyourownfouls.com. I would like to get it set up by summertime to a working website. I also am developing another one based off a chat system for the NBA called http://NBAChat.co. That one will feature chat rooms specific to each NBA team plus some general basketball rooms as well as blog-rolls/articles from some of the more popular basketball blogs.

I used to be -very- good at developing websites and made quite a bit of money off it them but that took too much time. If I can just develop these enough to be self-sufficient and a fun little hobby then that would really be a great release to take time off of my schedule for work/school.

Anyways, back on topic.

I went to the park today.

I shot around a little and then I:
played 1 game of 21 with three other players
played 3 games of 2 on 2
played 1 game of 4 on 4

Ok I was driving a lot and attacking during 21 and the first game of 1 on 1. I was finishing pretty well. For finishing I need to remember to look at the basket throughout the whole shot. I probably shouldn't have played the other games because I started settling for jumpers and wasn't hustling. 

I NEED to make my floater automatic.
I NEED to remember that no one remembers pickup games. Play without a conscious and test shit out.
I NEED to attack the basket and play defense.
I NEED to stop playing once I start get tired for recovery and to not develop bad habits.*

*Focus write now is skills and strength.

Good job with the right mentality for 21. 21 is a one-on-everybody game. It's the perfect time to work on attacking the basket and what I call half-court-transition. Obviously, 21 is a half-court game, but it's you-versus-everybody so it's almost as if every time you take the ball back you're trying to finish a 1-on-__ fast break. It's pefect to work on change of direction/speed and practice getting the ball to your favorite spots under pressure of multiple defenders.

Also, don't worry about settling for jumpers. Some days, getting to the basket will be tough. If you can transition your game to mid-range or short-shot-game w/ floaters and elbow jumpers or 10-foot baseline jumpers then you'll be ahead of the game. Take it from someone who has played too much basketball, if you have multiple facets of your game to offer, then you'll almost always have something to fall back on if your go-to skillset just isn't working that day. I'm 6'5" and have been blessed with some decent basketball skills through a bit of hard work. However, despite being that height I'm am naturally a guard, but there are days where my shot just isn't falling from outside. Now, my height allows me to also have developed a good post game to fall back on. And usually those 2 parts of my game are all I need. Sometimes though, both aren't working. That's when my ability to play at the high-post as well as the mid-range baseline have come in real handy. The perks that my height allowed me to develop a strong inside-outside game are great but not necessary. You can learn other parts of the game (post-up, mid-range, perimeter) without natural inclinations such as height/speed/etc. One of the best post players I know is 5'9". He just knows his body and how to get space where space doesn't seem available. Basically all I am saying is be multi-faceted. Don't focus on one thing all the time. Don't be single-minded/limited on the court. That's what ballhogs, dumb players, and people that don't care do.

One note about floaters though: They're a great tool to have at the higher levels of basketball (aau, college, etc). If you can develop one that's great. But I would not focus on the floater before I mastered/learned the jump-stop and short-pull-up shot. The problem with younger players focusing on the floater is that it is a shot that is generally taken while your momentum is still carrying you towards the basket. If that is your only shot that you are capable of making when you get to higher-levels, you're going to commit a -lot- of charges. I don't know if you've ever run the 3on2-2on1 drill in a basketball practice. But basically it's a drill where you have 2 defenders on one end, and you attack with 3 players (1 in the middle w/ ball, 2 on outside.) The point is to cause the defense to commit to the ball and make a jump-stop and pass to the open player because once you're picked up, there is only 1 defender for 2 players. If you can learn that in a half-court setting to stop your momentum and make the jump-shot or correct pass you will go -way- farther in your game that with the floater. Coaches notice these things. They see a player that makes the right move and will not draw silly fouls and end up sitting next to them on the bench. So sure, floaters are nice, but they're not going to get you through a try-out with a traveling team or help you make varsity in the end.

Last thing, on defense in pick-up games. This might be the toughest thing of all to focus on in pick-up. It's a relaxed setting overall and 90% of people don't take pick-up seriously. So it's obvious that you may lose focus during it. Here's what I tell my players to do if they play. I won't get mad at them if they are playing the passing lanes, or staying in perfect on-ball defensive stance during the entire pick-up game. But, what I will not accept, (and I watch my players play pick-up a lot when I can, and I will take them out of pick-up games if they don't do the following things). 1. Stay between their player and the basket. (It's the easiest thing to do and it promotes always being in position to guard your man.) 2. Attack for rebounds. (Just a regular box out or following the ball. My teams win off rebounds so this is important to me.) 3. Close-out correctly. (If they help-down into the post and the post man kicks the ball out to the perimeter, all I ask is that they close out quickly and low to the ground so as to contest outside shots but not let their man just blow by them towards the basket.) If my players will follow just those 3 rules I do not mind them not playing the ultimate defense in pick-up. Those 3 things allow them to be good defenders and they are the basics to teaching team-defense. (Of course, once they come to practice they have about 15 other defensive rules to follow that if they do not do they will be running suicides. I'm strict on defense.) I have to say though, many if not most of my players follow all my defensive rules even in pick-up. It's a good habit to get into. If your coach likes you to play a certain way, study that and play that way as often as possible.

Okay, that's all. :)

If you have any more question I'd be more than happy to help. As always, if you have any questions about what I've said or need some more clarifications, just let me know.

What are these 15 defensive rules? to me defense is much more simple then most coaches like to make it.
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Re: Petey Basketball Training
« Reply #16 on: March 30, 2011, 03:15:55 pm »
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I had them typed out, but I'm at my work computer. Basically, it touches on all the defense from on-ball defense, help defense, rebounding position, zone defense, footwork, passing lanes, doubling posts, close-outs, blocking shots, taking charges and a few other more random parts including different full/half/3quarter/zone presses.

My team, which is of middle-school age, but plays against older Junior Varsity teams mostly, ended up with a 20-3 record and 2nd place finish in our year-end tournament. Our schedule and competition isn't the toughest but we allowed an average of 43ppg by opposing teams. We averaged forcing 26 turnovers a game and over 25ppg off of turnovers. We were not blessed as a team with great offensive prowess. So we focused on what we could do well; and that is defense. (Not to say we forget about offense, we averaged 53ppg in our first 10 games but ended up averaging over 70ppg in our last 13 + tournaments. My point is that we're just known for our defense and it is our calling card.)

Depending on what time I get home tonight I may be able to post the rules up. But I don't know if I'll be at my home computer much until Sunday as I'm working out of town tomorrow, Friday and Saturday.

Our defense isn't complicated, but it is hard. It's based off whichever hand signal I give my team and we usually do not stick with one type of defense for an entire game. Of course, this depends on our competition. I try my best to teach kids to read and react on defense but under control and within the confines of a team system. If I have 5 players out there defending as a team without any major breakdowns, we're very tough to beat at. My kids understand how to take players out of their comfort zone and to not back down based on height/size/intensity of the other team. That's very tough to get kids to do at that age. Unfortunately most of my kids graduate on to the upper-level programs and those coaches know absolute crap about basketball. They struggle mostly because of the undisciplined nature of the team's defense. Unfortunately my time schedule doesn't allow me to coach the older kids any.

(Looking back, in the time that it took me to type out this dang post I probably could have remembered all my rules off the top of my head. Haha.)
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Re: Petey Basketball Training
« Reply #17 on: March 30, 2011, 05:35:00 pm »
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Thank you that helps a lot.

I have been training to be multifaceted. I have been working on my perimeter game, midrange, and finishing.
Yeah, I haven't really been focusing on my floater or practicing it all. I have been focusing on my pullups, 3 pointers and shooting form. I just thought I should get at least like 25-50 makes a day since I do it a lot. I do overuse it little during games.

A question is how can I improve my bball IQ. When I was playing I was probably just as skilled or more in some areas as the other players, but I was seriously lacking with my court savviness. Is it just playing? How can I watch game tape to become a better offensive player, defensive player, team player, and a point guard. I have begun reading Dick Devenzio's "stuff" a little every night.

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Re: Petey Basketball Training
« Reply #18 on: March 30, 2011, 08:52:49 pm »
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03.28.11
Planned on playing 3 on 3. Shit happened. Did some stationary work. Then tested out some moves. I did some floaters off 2 feet, some 3's, pullups, crosses to floaters.

Ok so after seeing things. My basketball training should GENERALLY look like this:

1. Dynamic Warmup
2. Effective ball handling
3. Driving, footwork, moves
4. Prolific Shooting drills
5. Finishing Drills

I need do Prolific Shooting drills, effective ball handling, work on my moves, driving drills and other better basketbal stuff.


03.29.11
I went to the park today.

I shot around a little and then I:
played 1 game of 21 with three other players
played 3 games of 2 on 2
played 1 game of 4 on 4

Ok I was driving a lot and attacking during 21 and the first game of 1 on 1. I was finishing pretty well. For finishing I need to remember to look at the basket throughout the whole shot. I probably shouldn't have played the other games because I started settling for jumpers and wasn't hustling.  

I NEED to make my floater automatic.
I NEED to remember that no one remembers pickup games. Play without a conscious and test shit out.
I NEED to attack the basket and play defense.
I NEED to stop playing once I start get tired for recovery and to not develop bad habits.*

*Focus write now is skills and strength.

03.30.11
I decided to restart the Prolific Shooting Program because my form has become more automatic and consistent. I went to back to week 1 of the 2nd phase of effective ball handling.
I did SBA A and sBH. Then I did the psp warmup + denham brown series and turn series.
My shot was consistent but my footwork needs work. I am going to begin to do footwork drills as a warmup gradually increasing speed to game speed then beginning my workout.

Footwork: pivot into jumper, SECSY drive, jump stops, 1-2 steps to jumper, hops and step backs
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Re: Petey Basketball Training
« Reply #19 on: March 31, 2011, 04:36:42 pm »
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I saw your journal and I found that your 5'7.5" and 140 lbs?  How old are you?
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Re: Petey Basketball Training
« Reply #20 on: March 31, 2011, 05:36:16 pm »
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I do overuse it little during games.

That's my only problem with runners/floaters. Yes, they're a good shot. BUT, only at times. If the other team has an imposing frontcourt that is capable of constantly blocking/altering shots to where you don't think you can overcome it, then a floater is a good choice. But too many people rely on that shot instead of getting to the basket to create/absorb contact. I was always taught, and teach my players, that getting to the basket is priority #1 on offense. We design our plays around the few decent penetrators we have and around quick decisive ball movement with the ultimate goal of reaching the paint for easy shots. We do this because 1: close shots are obviously higher percentage, 2: short shots are easier to decipher where rebounds will come from and we crash boards hard to rebound, 3: most importantly we like to create contact on our layups/short shots to get opposing big men in foul trouble early and often. This allows us to get to the free throw line (where we shoot 70%+ as a team) and get easy points. My starting point guard, and starting 2 guard lead the team in PPG, but they do it by getting to the free throw line 5+ times a game. Look at all the biggest stars in basketball. They get EASY points by getting to the line often and shooting it well (here's looking at Dwight Howard who could easily have 5-6 more ppg if he shot just 70% from the line).

A floater/runner is a good shot, but it works by avoiding contact. It also sets you up (if you're not paying attention) to commit charges as you are jumping with your momentum heading towards the basket. It's a lazy move somewhat as it gives you an easy out to avoid going all the way to the basket. I allow my players to shoot it, but they sure as heck better have tried going all the way to the basket a time or two before they shoot it. My players are above average at finishing around the rim. We run a lot of drills for absorbing contact on inside shots. Of course, it helps that I'm 6'5" and athletically capable of playing with them during practice so they get the feel of a shot blocker's presence inside (Example: The movie The Rookie with Dennis Quade, when he started pitching to his baseball players, they became better hitters.).

Anyways, once again, this is just my opinion as a player/coach.



A question is how can I improve my bball IQ. When I was playing I was probably just as skilled or more in some areas as the other players, but I was seriously lacking with my court savviness. Is it just playing? How can I watch game tape to become a better offensive player, defensive player, team player, and a point guard. I have begun reading Dick Devenzio's "stuff" a little every night.

The best thing for this is to play early, often and with as good of players as you can. I was fortunate growing up to have a Dad, Mom and older brother who all played and enjoyed watching basketball. When I was little, I played with my Dad's weekend group of guys who just got together to play every so often. Both my parents played college ball and knew the game very well and taught me from a young age. Also, my brother who is 2 years older than me would go and play with his friends (who were usually 2-3 years older than him) and I got to tag along. So I always played with older, more physical, semi-smarter players than I or my friends were. It just helped develop me naturally at a quicker pace.

The 2nd thing I can recommend is watching basketball with a purpose. Record a game, re-watch it. If somebody does something well, say someone has 10+ assists in a game and you want to know how he got that. Grab a piece of paper and a pencil and pay attention to -only- that player. See how he dribbles to a spot in the court that sets his teammate up for that backdoor lob, or see how he slows down his speed to let the play develop in front of him. Try and decipher what it was he was thinking as the play develops. Write it all down. Make mental notes of what he's doing to be successful. The more you do this (I did this -a lot-) the more it becomes second nature to you. And the more you start to recognize something you're familiar with, before it happens. You can apply this to all aspects of the game, defense or offense, individual or team, etc. Also, read a lot of books. Almost every basketball book ever written by a semi-established coach will teach you at least 1 thing new. Whether it's just hearing something you've heard before re-worded to make sense or something entirely new. Just read read read! (Sidenote: I HATE reading...but for some reason basketball books are easy to read. I try to read a new one every 3-4 months. I've only started doing this in the last year. And they're not all about learning basketball, some are just informative looks at the history of basketball or just outside random knowledge of basketball). Hit up your local library if you can and see what kind of section they have. Then just start going through the ones that look interesting.

Hope that helps!
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« Reply #21 on: March 31, 2011, 05:41:58 pm »
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16 years old. When i was like 10 my doctor said i would be like 6 foot, but im getting kinda scared. I doubt I will be that tall. My mom is 5'4 and my dad is 5'7 but they grew up in ethiopia during the drought, so ??? But I also don't have the characteristics of a tall person really. Shoe size is like 10.5 and like a 5'11 wingspan with some smallish hands.
Growing wise, I grew from like 5'0 to 5'6 in like 3 months when i was 14, but i have barely budged in the past two years. I have just come to accept my height.

About the weight, though I am a little chubby though. Without gaining or losing muscle, I should be like 130

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Re: Petey Basketball Training
« Reply #22 on: March 31, 2011, 06:05:15 pm »
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16 years old. When i was like 10 my doctor said i would be like 6 foot, but im getting kinda scared. I doubt I will be that tall. My mom is 5'4 and my dad is 5'7 but they grew up in ethiopia during the drought, so ??? But I also don't have the characteristics of a tall person really. Shoe size is like 10.5 and like a 5'11 wingspan with some smallish hands.
Growing wise, I grew from like 5'0 to 5'6 in like 3 months when i was 14, but i have barely budged in the past two years. I have just come to accept my height.

About the weight, though I am a little chubby though. Without gaining or losing muscle, I should be like 130

To be fair, Docs aren't always right. My Mom is 5'6" and my Dad is 5'9"-5'10". I'm 6'5". I was 'supposed' to be 5'11".

Some times they get it right, sometimes not.
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« Reply #23 on: March 31, 2011, 08:17:16 pm »
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lord i would LOVE to be 6'5

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« Reply #24 on: March 31, 2011, 08:18:49 pm »
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sad thing is i started playing ball about 2.5 years ago. i do ply w/ better players

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« Reply #25 on: March 31, 2011, 09:55:49 pm »
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03.28.11
Planned on playing 3 on 3. Shit happened. Did some stationary work. Then tested out some moves. I did some floaters off 2 feet, some 3's, pullups, crosses to floaters.

Ok so after seeing things. My basketball training should GENERALLY look like this:

1. Dynamic Warmup
2. Effective ball handling
3. Driving, footwork, moves
4. Prolific Shooting drills
5. Finishing Drills

I need do Prolific Shooting drills, effective ball handling, work on my moves, driving drills and other better basketbal stuff.


03.29.11
I went to the park today.

I shot around a little and then I:
played 1 game of 21 with three other players
played 3 games of 2 on 2
played 1 game of 4 on 4

Ok I was driving a lot and attacking during 21 and the first game of 1 on 1. I was finishing pretty well. For finishing I need to remember to look at the basket throughout the whole shot. I probably shouldn't have played the other games because I started settling for jumpers and wasn't hustling. 

I NEED to make my floater automatic.
I NEED to remember that no one remembers pickup games. Play without a conscious and test shit out.
I NEED to attack the basket and play defense.
I NEED to stop playing once I start get tired for recovery and to not develop bad habits.*

*Focus write now is skills and strength.

03.30.11
I decided to restart the Prolific Shooting Program because my form has become more automatic and consistent. I went to back to week 1 of the 2nd phase of effective ball handling.
I did SBA A and sBH. Then I did the psp warmup + denham brown series and turn series.
My shot was consistent but my footwork needs work. I am going to begin to do footwork drills as a warmup gradually increasing speed to game speed then beginning my workout.

Footwork: pivot into jumper, SECSY drive, jump stops, 1-2 steps to jumper, hops and step backs

03.31.11
I did absolutely nothing today. I am completely busy with science fair. I have to make up for my slacking partners. smh

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Re: Petey Basketball Training
« Reply #26 on: March 31, 2011, 10:07:47 pm »
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sad thing is i started playing ball about 2.5 years ago. i do ply w/ better players

Trust me, it will help you long term.

03.31.11
I did absolutely nothing today. I am completely busy with science fair. I have to make up for my slacking partners. smh

Also, academics > athletics. Always focus on school first. Believe me, you will get a -lot- more looks from colleges if they know they can get you an academic scholarship instead of an athletic scholarship. Coaches LOVE guys that can get into college without taking away from the budget of scholarships the athletics program. I had a kid that was athletic enough to get some mid-major scholarship offers athletically, but he got TONS of major-D1 program offers because he was able to come in without taking a scholarship from the program. Getting into college is all about marketing yourself and having the skills to back it up. Good academics goes a LONG way to selling yourself.
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« Reply #27 on: April 01, 2011, 08:40:13 pm »
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The academics>athletics is not an option in my househeld. I couldn't train for 2 weeks because I had a 77 in AP world and an 89 in biology. African parents don't joke

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« Reply #28 on: April 01, 2011, 08:42:30 pm »
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03.28.11
Planned on playing 3 on 3. Shit happened. Did some stationary work. Then tested out some moves. I did some floaters off 2 feet, some 3's, pullups, crosses to floaters.

Ok so after seeing things. My basketball training should GENERALLY look like this:

1. Dynamic Warmup
2. Effective ball handling
3. Driving, footwork, moves
4. Prolific Shooting drills
5. Finishing Drills

I need do Prolific Shooting drills, effective ball handling, work on my moves, driving drills and other better basketbal stuff.


03.29.11
I went to the park today.

I shot around a little and then I:
played 1 game of 21 with three other players
played 3 games of 2 on 2
played 1 game of 4 on 4

Ok I was driving a lot and attacking during 21 and the first game of 1 on 1. I was finishing pretty well. For finishing I need to remember to look at the basket throughout the whole shot. I probably shouldn't have played the other games because I started settling for jumpers and wasn't hustling. 

I NEED to make my floater automatic.
I NEED to remember that no one remembers pickup games. Play without a conscious and test shit out.
I NEED to attack the basket and play defense.
I NEED to stop playing once I start get tired for recovery and to not develop bad habits.*

*Focus write now is skills and strength.

03.30.11
I decided to restart the Prolific Shooting Program because my form has become more automatic and consistent. I went to back to week 1 of the 2nd phase of effective ball handling.
I did SBA A and sBH. Then I did the psp warmup + denham brown series and turn series.
My shot was consistent but my footwork needs work. I am going to begin to do footwork drills as a warmup gradually increasing speed to game speed then beginning my workout.

Footwork: pivot into jumper, SECSY drive, jump stops, 1-2 steps to jumper, hops and step backs

03.31.11
I did absolutely nothing today. I am completely busy with science fair. I have to make up for my slacking partners. smh

03.01.11
No basketball. Slept like 2 hours yesterday b/c of science fair. Slept the whole afternoon. SPRING BREAK so now i can train without worrying about school

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« Reply #29 on: April 02, 2011, 01:53:00 am »
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The academics>athletics is not an option in my househeld. I couldn't train for 2 weeks because I had a 77 in AP world and an 89 in biology. African parents don't joke

Your 16, Academics > Athletics is the right way to go...  Regardless, with dedication you can still do both at 100% effort.

Also, your only 16, and you do have longer wingspan than your supposed to have and IDK, but your only 16, you can still grow...  Just don't do anything that stunts growth and keep eating A LOT! 

A fact you'd be interested in, Dennis Rodman grew 8 inches when he was 19.  I'm not joking.  He was 5'11" and next year 6'7"... Then like 1 more inch at 6'8" and became a beast.

Regardless, worst case scenario, let's say you stay at 5'7"ish, NOTHING you can do about it except to accept it and make yourself the best possible 5'7" player you can, and accept what your best is.  That best can be just an average player, or an NBA player, who knows?  Not saying you're going to be an NBA player, but you know what I'm saying, lack of height can be replaced by other things.

Good luck bro
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