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Re: Gennady Golovkin vs Saul Canelo Alvarez
« Reply #15 on: September 18, 2017, 07:50:52 am »
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One of canelo's power punch which knocked out his other opponents, didn't faze ggg.
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[twitter]https://twitter.com/Keen_Mind/status/909268270296920066[/twitter]

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I guess just check the link someone posted a short vid of canelo landing a power shot and ggg just kept coming forward.
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Re: Gennady Golovkin vs Saul Canelo Alvarez
« Reply #16 on: September 18, 2017, 08:38:35 am »
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something I posted in a t-nation thread:

Well that was a lovely scrap.... What a sick fight.

I came away with different take-aways than some of the posts in this thread:
- Canelo's boxing skill is superior to GGG's. He was slipping GGG's punches all night, making him miss by a mile on many occasions. His counters were so sharp. He had GGG frozen for a good portion of the fight, GGG just couldn't unleash his power because he was missing too much & was cautious about what was coming back.
- Canelo's body work is absolutely beautiful. GGG abandoned his body work, for the most part.
- Canelo was way too tight in this fight. He looked nervous from the onset. He was shaking his arms throughout the fight, just didn't look settled. Even with all that, he somehow was able to slip & counter beautifully. GGG looked so relaxed and confident from the onset.
- Canelo's "Floyd Impersonation" probably tired him out even more-so. Just way too much backward movement, dancing around the ring. That's not his style, and I don't think it served his stamina well in this fight.
- GGG's heart is incredible. Towards the end of the fight, between rounds, man was he sucking wind. He looked absolutely trashed in the corner. But once the bell rings, he just comes forward in terminator mode and pushes through it. He didn't let his foot off of the gas, even while being very visibly fatigued.
- GGG's power is incredible, but Canelo can take it. Canelo's power is solid, and GGG can take it as expected.
- In the rematch, GGG won't be able to make as much adjustments as Canelo. This is why, for the rematch, I personally feel more confident that Canelo will win a decisive decision, as long as Canelo stands his ground more and comes in with more confidence. If Canelo has stamina issues throughout the entire fight, GGG will win "again".
- GGG definitely won that fight, but not by much. I can see how that could be called a draw, but 118-110 for EITHER fighter is an absolute disgrace. That fight was very close. I personally had GGG winning 116-112 but that could have easily been 115-113, which again is close to draw status.

I've seen some highlight videos posted so far, and in my opinion, Canelo has the majority of the highlights: slips, counters, combos, movement, all in Canelo's favor. His boxing is so damn sharp it's really impressive. GGG is a true warrior with freak power, but he's like an "old dog" at this point. I don't see him acquiring some of these nuanced skills like Canelo has done over the years. Canelo adopted TOO MUCH of a "Floyd style" in this fight.

IMHO, If Canelo stands his ground more in the rematch, I think he can really school GGG. When Canelo did stand his ground, he got the better of the exchanges. I have no problem with him backing up, but he needs to do it more "controlled" and waste less energy moving back explosively. He also needs to do less of it in general, and just stand in the pocket slipping & countering which he proved he can do against GGG.  If he makes those adjustments, which I think he will because he's that caliber of fighter, the rematch should go his way.

Also if anyone remembers, he stood between rounds in his last (few?) fights. I think he's been trying to improve/address some stamina issues in anticipation of a fight like this. IMHO, he was struggling for most of the fight. To me, you could see him trying to relax, but he just couldn't relax on the level he wanted. I think confidence and nerves could have alot to do with it, or maybe it has more to do with the weight gain, since he looked alot more relaxed when he fought at true welter. This is something they need to try and fix, fast. I don't think it's as simple as more road work/conditioning, there's some other stuff going on there. I mean he's been in so many 12 round fights, massive title fights, etc - at this point he should look way more comfortable throughout the first 3 quarters of a fight like this. The "arm shaking" is a big sign to me.. You don't do it as much as he did it, if you're not feeling very tight. He did lots of subtle shaking of his arms, and some overt ones as well. As a counter example, I can't even think of the last time I saw Floyd shake his arms in a fight.. Floyd's 12 round stamina is absolute god-mode. But Floyd ALWAYS fights his own fight. He doesn't switch it up like Canelo did, and fight with a different style. He just goes out and does exactly what he always does, and he's completely comfortable doing it, no matter the work rate of his opponent.

Anyway, SICK FIGHT.

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This reminds me of kovalev vs ward, that like in their first fight, that some people thought (me included) ward would not be able to make any adjustments, what adjustments did he have to make he fought an almost perfect gameplan and that kovalev had figured ward out and would come out and be more offensive and win in the second fight, but ward actually did adjust his gameplan and more better attacking the body more, more composed.

Same with this fight, Canelo is definitely the better puncher and fighter, he has an arsenal of combos and can set up a lot as he did in the last few rounds and if he had done that in the early rounds he would have won easily, but he moved alot and was hoping to counter and knock him out, which he should have realized that was not possible as canelo moved up to 160 and could not wobble julio who also a tremendous chin. So I think canelo if he starts to put pressure and golovkin and make the required changes I also see ggg making adjustments and targetting the body, can absorb canelo's power punches let alone his combos, ggg does have some good defence and if he comes out of his shell and just starts launching more power shots it will be close again, but not counting ggg out in the rematch.

adelayd given temporary break from big title fights  :uhhhfacepalm: basically saying she is good just need some rest before she is allowed to judge a fight and rob it like before.

Canelo disappointed with draw, I don't know why, as he should be satisifed with a draw as there is no way he won that fight as he thinks he did of winning 7-8 rounds. He will not fight until cinco de mayo and it better be a rematch with ggg.
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Re: Gennady Golovkin vs Saul Canelo Alvarez
« Reply #17 on: September 19, 2017, 02:26:31 pm »
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Wow, such a good fight. I disagree with it being a draw I had it 8-4. But some rounds were close and because of that judge made it a draw. But to me I didn't see it draw, maybe 7-5. But wtf is 118-110 to canelo is just BS.

A draw is good in terms we get to see it again but then it would be unfair for golovkin who did enough to win it. I did watch hbo and some score they have I wouldn't I agree. I gave last round to golovkin but it was close.

It started off slow testing each other out, but golovkin was smart to rack in the points while testing him out. Then canelo started to pick up the pace and won round 2 and 3.

Now they both were at their peak and full prepared. But I could see golovkin was nervous because of the hype of canelo and most of the fights golovkin has been against had little hype and golovkin was comfortable to knock them out but once it started to get to people like kell brook, jacobs, who people felt would be challenge or have a few support he's confidence would go down slightly, more so with daniel jacobs, therefore he was cautious, so not really a decline, but also they are boxers making it hard for ggg who likes people who come forward who don't slick and slide. So in this fight ggg was nervous and anxious about canelo's counter punching abilities but later on started to relax, you could see ggg's corner trying to slow his heart beat down.

Now canelo I don't know why, but he had potential, but he relied too much on counter punching and because of that he would tend to move back, would jump in sometimes but most of the time would get himself backed into the ropes hoping to do something but he just was not successful and I think that was his game plan to counter punch and knock him out. So because of that canelo became less active and giving ggg confidence. GGG was flat footed but he also had good defense and showed good dodging. Then this was repeated for the rounds 4-9, round 10 they knew canelo was behind and told him to fight for his life in the last 3 rounds.

Last round was as was expected war and canelo showed his speed and combo, which was a close round, so I think it was golovkin, but not disappointed if they give it to canelo.

So I had it 8-4, no less than 7-5.

Now what canelo should have done, but didn't do because he was anxious of ggg's power. He should have jumped on him throw the combos like he did in a few early rounds and also did in the last round, ggg's power didn't hurt him when he landed, but because canelo relied too much on counter he became inactive instead he should have jumped on ggg and threw combos, that's where I had a feeling if it went full 12 rounds he would have won cos he can jump in land some combo's and jump out.

And what ggg should have done is land more to the body, in that fight he nearly landed almost nothing, 10-20 in the entire fight. If he had more it would have been more effective and canelo's counter punch should be a thing to worry because canelo did not carry his power to the middleweight as well as ggg being effective in defence and have a good chin.

This should have been an all out war as they both were capable of winning this way, no one could really hurt each other but because of being anxious they had to be defensive.

Also ggg landed very little power punches, he almost like just touches them or jabs them alot, I anticipate that when canelo is against the ropes with guard up, I would expect ggg to unleast but he would just tap his head, jab to the side and to the top and that's it move back.

So this makes me remeber mayweather pacquiao, just like this they expected fireworks, but they both anticipated each others power and boxing prowess and they decided to play it safe. But with this fight towards the end they became confident to combat and fight.

In their rematch, canelo needs to jump on ggg at the beginning and shouldn't worry about ggg hitting his as canelo is quick in and then out and ggg should be more confident unleash more, go to the body and land more power punches. But if the rematch goes 12 rounds I give it to canelo is he instead of backing up and trying to counter he should initiate the attack to get the points and get out, don't stand in the pocket longer then you need to, if he did this, then I am confident he would win the rematch easy.

But GGG should have won.

great write up! pretty much agree with everything. Canelo's trainers really chose a bad strategy with the "dance around the ring" idea.. They should have been more confident in their fighter. I don't get why the hell they would do that. Canelo is a monster, there's no reason for him to deploy a "back pedal defense" for the entire fight..... sure, in spots, fine. But not for the majority of the fight. wtf? When he stood his ground, he was lethal. Standing in the pocket slipping/countering.. I mean I personally think he just listened to his trainers, for some reason they thought doing that would frustrate GGG and probably cause him to tire, freeze up, and eventually run into a massive shot.

and ya, 118-110 canelo is just criminal. Based on that alone, i'd want to see GGG the winner of that fight. Thing is, even if GGG won a majority decision, we'd all want to see this again. So it didn't need to be a draw... that really is some fishy scoring.

Hopefully they announce a rematch date soon .. don't care if it's a long time from now, just want to know when it's happening. :ninja:

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Re: Gennady Golovkin vs Saul Canelo Alvarez
« Reply #18 on: September 19, 2017, 02:36:29 pm »
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Canelo's team is very clever when did negotiations with gennady's team, they didn't have a rematch clause except that if gennady won then the clause would be exercised. But now it's a draw they have to exercise it.

But ye I agree the draw makes the rematch so much more interesting.
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Re: Gennady Golovkin vs Saul Canelo Alvarez
« Reply #19 on: November 02, 2017, 06:58:13 pm »
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Breakdown Some guy's opinion of Gennady vs Canelo fight. Not as detailed as the title claims.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z00Pn64lfD8" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z00Pn64lfD8</a>
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Re: Gennady Golovkin vs Saul Canelo Alvarez
« Reply #20 on: August 11, 2018, 10:48:55 am »
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I always felt that ggg who was a monster at middleweight would withstand canelo's ultimate power shots and he did and I just came across this article which showed this and you can see how ggg is not even affected by it. Just incredible. So canelo saw this and though 'wtf' and started back pedalling.

http://www.sportbible.com/boxing/news-boxing-remembering-when-ggg-walked-through-a-canelo-bomb-20180728
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Re: Gennady Golovkin vs Saul Canelo Alvarez
« Reply #21 on: September 01, 2018, 03:19:35 pm »
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GGG vs Canelo 24/7 Episode 1

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Re: Gennady Golovkin vs Saul Canelo Alvarez
« Reply #22 on: September 15, 2018, 10:59:33 am »
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saw all of the eps.

GGG looks annoyed.. he looks like he really wants to "dispose" of canelo.

tbh, hope he does.

GGG got robbed in the first fight.. 118-110 was robbery. It was a close fight, but give me a break.

hope GGG gets the KO tonight.

I won't be watching tho.. will be trying to sleep so I can watch the Berlin marathon @ 03:00 AM ET.............. lmao.  :ninja:

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Re: Gennady Golovkin vs Saul Canelo Alvarez
« Reply #23 on: September 16, 2018, 01:36:12 pm »
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OMG what an excellent fight. But f**ked up by the judges. Such Bullshit.  :raging:

GGG  definitely won that fight. Canelo had more stamina and landed some good shot but ggg was more active with his jabs and then later on in the rounds he was very elusive enough to dodge a lot of canelo's shots.

Fuk, such an awesome fight which was fuked by the judges. feel bad for ggg.
he got robbed.

But I have to give it to canelo that he fought well, he was always coming forward, landing the combos and just throwing the stiff punches, but I don't think he did enough to win. Especially when the judges gave the last round to canelo even though I felt ggg won it and if they scored it for ggg it would have been a draw so that may have played a part probably.  :ninja:

Ok after being calm even though I scored it for ggg, I guess alot of the rounds were close and canelo actually came forward like he said and ggg didn't have a response and canelo was just walking him down and ggg was just tired and trying to suck it up and judges saw canelo's effective stalking ggg and hitting the powerful shots but ggg was very slick and landing the jab but not conditioned enough and almost no body shots.

Highlights or full fight below the highlight
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUeVDFzqZdc" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUeVDFzqZdc</a>

Full fight - Starts at around 1hr 32min
https://my.mail.ru/mail/livercol83/video/_myvideo/18.html?from=videoplayer
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