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Strength, Power, Reactivity, & Speed Discussion / Re: Being heavier does not give "better leverages" in lifting
« on: April 22, 2011, 10:50:47 pm »
Quote from: DamienZ on April 22, 2011, 06:02:06 pm
So you squat just with your legs?


Umm... legs and lower back, and that's it for the most part. What did you think?

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Strength, Power, Reactivity, & Speed Discussion / Re: Being heavier does not give "better leverages" in lifting
« on: April 22, 2011, 10:48:05 pm »
Quote from: JC on April 22, 2011, 05:47:38 pm
Gain 25 pounds then come back to us. Weight gain is even more important on benching.

This is exactly what I did, but clearly, you're missing the point. I've gained 25lbs since last summer. I'll post before/after pics if you really want to see. My squat increased by about 85lbs since then. But you're missing the point.

How does gaining weight give you better leverages in squatting? If it gives me better leverages, can I simulate the effect of better leverages during squatting while wearing ankle weights, a weight vest, and a weight belt?

No.

Will gaining weight make it easier for me to increase my squat over time?

Yes.

But that's a different discussion.

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Strength, Power, Reactivity, & Speed Discussion / Being heavier does not give "better leverages" in lifting
« on: April 22, 2011, 05:46:08 pm »
This is just something I'll never understand. Some people say if you weigh more, you'll be able to squat more faster because you'll put on muscle faster (okay, I can buy that due to hormonal changes and stuff) and because you'll have better leverages.

WTF?  How?

It just doesn't make sense. If my upper body is heavier (from fat, or even from muscle), and I'm pushing with my legs, I'm pushing more weight. Otherwise, doing bodyweight squats with no barbell would be easy as hell for fat people.
If my arms weigh more (from fat), benching will not be easier because it's more weight pushing down. I'm working against gravity here. The only way it'll be easier is from a half inch less ROM from getting a bigger/fatter chest.
If my arms weigh more (from fat), rowing will not be easier because I'm pulling my arms up against gravity.

This "better leverage" crap for squatting coming from weight gain has to stop. The only way it would help is if you're working with gravity, like in a tricep pushdown. Otherwise, go ahead and put on a 30lb weight vest and see if you can reach a new PR in your squat because that new weight is giving you better leverage. Or you know what, wrap a weight belt around your thighs and see if that even helps. It won't, it makes it harder.

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Injury, Prehab, & Rehab talk for the brittlebros / Re: Ankle taping in the NBA
« on: April 22, 2011, 05:27:06 pm »
Not sure how it is everywhere in Europe, but in Macedonia it's like that. They're prejudiced against me because I live in America, and because I'm much more athletic and skilled than them. So when I drive into the lane, they really use force against me and foul A LOT. What sucks is that if you call foul, there's no basket if it goes in. At least where I play at (in NYC), the basket counts if you're playing full court (only sometimes on half court, depends who's playing against you lol. Not outdoors though. I found a nice, controlled gym where there's a sign-up sheet for full-court games. Everything is fair and controlled, and no arguing about who plays next and w/e, so that's why we have this and 1 rule too keep lazy defenders from fouling and hurting you every time).

Then there are those tall fat men who stay a couple of feet from the basket. So tough to get rebounds on them. Couple that with with... NO TAKEBACKS... and a low rim (like 9'6" where I'm at) and they are all-stars. You just can't beat them. I'm a jumpshooter, I can make 4 shots in a row, but if I miss one, defense gets the rebound and goes right up with it for a point and you don't have possession anymore. Makes it tougher to be a shooter.

There are no "checks" either, but this is a rule I like. These are the Macedonian rules:

1. If you score, you must take the ball out from anywhere along the baseline. There's no wait for a check. Your team needs 2 passes before you're allowed to shoot (the throw in from the baseline counts as a pass). Defense is allowed to intercept the pass in (exception: on the very first possession of the game when the score is 0-0, the first pass in cannot be intercepted).

2. If you are fouled, you take the ball out from the sideline straight out from the spot you were fouled. No wait for a check again. You take the ball out from here. Defense is allowed to intercept that throw in. Also, you may shoot as soon as the ball is in play (don't need to wait for a 2nd pass).

^^ Those 2 rules make for some awesome fast-paced basketball though :). Well, so does the no takeback rule, but I hate that rule. Makes it unworthy to settle for jumpshots, but it's too dangerous to drive in so it just overall sucks for me.

It's better at simulating a full-court game because there are no checks in full court so you don't have to wait for the defense to pay attention, you just go. However, to keep it from getting crazy fast, there's that 2 pass rule after a shot (akin to eliminating cherry-picking in a full court game).

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Pics, Videos, & Links / Re: Two ways to skin a cat
« on: April 22, 2011, 01:03:11 pm »
For some reason I can't help but feel that second guy isn't jumping high at all. How the hell did he throw down a BTL off about 4 steps?

And man if I were 6'7 I'd be doing crazy shit! That's like an extra 9-10" on my highest touch. I'm 6'1 but my reach is 7'9. Imagine that kid's.

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Pics, Videos, & Links / Re: A friend of mine dunking on lower rims
« on: April 19, 2011, 10:34:17 pm »
Quote from: Raptor on April 18, 2011, 05:19:10 am
Yeah, a life changing experience.

A friend of mine told me a story about how a teacher of his, at the University level, got his car robbed. So they called the cops. And the cop, when he came, said "and what do you want me to do about it?!".

In another similar event, the cop said "well, I didn't tell you to let valuable stuff in the car!".

That's how it is... makes me realize how much I bitch all day.

There were some annoying ass kids (like 12 of them) following me one day. I was I think 13 years old at the time. I crossed the street like 5 seconds before the oncoming car was going to. The kids followed me and annoyed the driver and he had to slow down.
I finished crossing and this old man comes up from behind and slaps the shit out of me, upside the head. WTF???

I said "why did you hit me?!"
"You're supposed to watch out for those kids, you're older than them." (I was 13... they were 10?)
"??? I don't even know them!"
"Do I give a shit?"

It's not a big deal really. But if that happened in America, BAM LAWSUIT + NEWSPAPER HEADLINE.

"Random elderly man attacks 13 year old after crossing street."

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Program Review / Re: Air alert (knee alert?)
« on: April 19, 2011, 10:30:37 pm »
I think I got like 3 inches off aa2 in like 7 weeks but I was probably just hitting a growth spurt and didn't realize I was gaining height, not vert.

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Injury, Prehab, & Rehab talk for the brittlebros / Re: Ankle taping in the NBA
« on: April 19, 2011, 10:29:31 pm »
Quote from: Raptor on April 03, 2011, 03:34:28 pm
Hence I turn into a jumpshooter when I play ball, and I think that's a smart thing to do.

+ +9,000

Whenever I'm in Europe I NEVER drive into the lane. Hell no, not outdoors, with 35 year old men pounding me because I'm "American" and much more athletic than those idiots. And we're playing on concrete with some small potholes. Not to mention, nobody realizes they're not playing tight D at all because there's no 3 point line on this court and they sag off anywhere more than 15ft from the basket if you're on the sides of the court (where it's harder for the defender to judge distance since he's not near the paint and he is facing away from the basket anyway). So I'll just make them pay anyway with my jumpshot. I'm a jumpshooter anyway.

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Strength, Power, Reactivity, & Speed Discussion / Re: The best BASKETBALL-SPECIFIC exercises?
« on: April 19, 2011, 10:21:16 pm »
Quote from: bball2020 on April 18, 2011, 09:16:48 pm
agree with the slight margin thing..u can go from 200lbs to 300lbs benching, but would it make any real difference in your game? Not really, help in same situations i guess, but if your really thinking your getting "better" by benching more your kind of mistaking. On the flip side, if your a weak dude putting on strength (and MASS like JC said) will make a huge difference.


Pretty true. I guess the bench will really just help with more full-court chest pass distance. I mean, what else? I bench for mass as well though, more upper body mass will probably help more than upper body strength at a certain point.

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Pics, Videos, & Links / Re: A friend of mine dunking on lower rims
« on: April 17, 2011, 11:22:57 pm »
Quote from: Raptor on April 17, 2011, 05:21:21 am
Well he trains on his own right now, not sure what his squat numbers are at the moment, but he sprained his ankle in an "uncovered" sewer end that was on the street from what I know. Remember, we live in a civilized country.

 :D :D :D

Love southern Europe. It's the best thing in the world sometimes hahaha.

Me and my friends were hopping a rail over a bridge once, so we needed a bit of a run up. The bridge lead to the city center, so it was crowded. We kept having to stop ppl in their tracks to let us run and hop the rail into a dive.

These three girls passed by saying "you guys think you're having fun and all, but you're going to break your necks if you keep doing this! You should stop! It's dangerous!" We ignored them.

ONE MINUTE LATER two cops are about to pass by. My friend is lined up to hop the rail with a clear path, and they are about to step in his path. One cop stops the other with his arm and says "whoa whoa whoa, watch out. Check this out." He says to my friend "all right... let's see what you got."

My friend flips over the rail and into the river as the cops watch in delight. After the splash, they awe at the spectacle and walk on with smiles.

That moment right there just put my country in a nutshell.

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Strength, Power, Reactivity, & Speed Discussion / Re: High frequency "unracking"
« on: April 15, 2011, 10:39:59 am »
Sometimes on tough squatting days I do this unrack thing and it helps.

Also, I always make my final warm up set heavier than my work set. If I'm doing sets of 8, then my final two warm up sets are heavier. The added weight definitely makes the bar feel lighter, thus giving me confidence, but also the fact that I'm repping them (only singles) primes me for the movement as well.

Sometimes, when it's really tough, I'll do something like this:

135x5
185x5
225x3
275x1
315x1
365x1
385x10sec unrack
345x5
345x5
345x5

But I've never thought of the idea of "high frequency unracking." I've only ever thought of it as a way to prime you right before your tough work set.

What's weird though, is how when I do a single at 355 or 365 it feels SOOOO heavy on my back, I cannot possibly imagine how I ever squatted 415. I feel like after a certain point, the feeling of heaviness on your back reaches a threshhold and it doesn't feel that much heaver. 275-->315, not much difference. 315-->365, huge difference in feeling. 365-->405, not much again.

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Strength, Power, Reactivity, & Speed Discussion / Re: Heavy Eccentrics
« on: April 15, 2011, 10:30:40 am »
Quote from: Raptor on April 15, 2011, 07:19:07 am
Quote from: ccameron on April 15, 2011, 01:13:25 am
Sweet thanks for the info man, I completely forgot about weight releasers!

edit: it seems strange to me that an athlete would have minimal eccentric strength gains from concentric only training. If someone made giant gains in their deadlift say 400lbs, something way beyond the extra 30% strength of eccentric contraction and whatever minimal eccentric gains they get since they dropped the bar at the top on each rep.  Would it be possible that they couldn't at all lower their max deadlift?

Yeah exactly... if I train 3 months using deadlifts and dropping the bar at the top (so concentric only) and raise my deadlift from 100 to 160 kg, I find it hard to believe (impossible to believe) I won't be able to lower the 160 kg bar down to the floor.

I would agree, but would also argue that you would be able to faster increase your strength if you include the eccentric portion because of increases in muscle size leading to more strength anyway. Also, it'll increase your work capactiy, and therefore allowing you to do more reps which has a larger training effect.

To refute that though, you can say you can do more reps with only concentric contractions anyway...

This is interesting, I feel like I want to do an experiment.

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Strength, Power, Reactivity, & Speed Discussion / Re: Calfs
« on: April 14, 2011, 03:56:36 pm »
Quote from: LanceSTS on April 13, 2011, 01:35:12 am
Quote from: Dreyth on April 12, 2011, 05:43:22 pm
Quote from: $ick3nin.vend3tta on April 12, 2011, 12:21:44 am
Quote from: LanceSTS on April 11, 2011, 11:18:32 pm
the achilles tendon will take over any time in the rom when you bounce out of the bottom (however low you go).  This is one of the main reason a lot of athletes dont feel like they are gaining much calf size when doing calf raises, if you pause in the bottom, the gastroc/soleus will take the brunt of the work, if you bounce or rebound out, the achilles tendon dominates.  Both methods are good, but starting out controlled and slower is the way to go, once you have that base you can get more explosive with them.

Lance, When your at the very bottom of the ROM, is your Achilles in it's most lengthened or shortest state?.

Strecthed, but if you pause at the bottom for a second or two, it doesn't "spring back" as much. Otherwise, it would be easier to perform calf raises this way (but it ain't  ;)).




Quote from: LanceSTS on April 11, 2011, 11:18:32 pm
Quote from: $ick3nin.vend3tta on April 11, 2011, 11:05:38 pm
Quote from: Dreyth on April 11, 2011, 09:12:46 pm
More ROM. With your toes elevated, the starting point of the rep can begin in dorsiflexion as opposed to a neutral position (defined here as soles of feet being parallel to the floor) if you don't have them elevated.

Thanks Dreyth.

Hopefully somebody can help me out with this next question.

Lets say your doing calf raises in either standing or seated position with the toes elevated on some platform. At which point in the ROM (dorsiflexion/neutral/plantar-flexor) is the Achilles tendon being optimally worked?.

the achilles tendon will take over any time in the rom when you bounce out of the bottom (however low you go).  This is one of the main reason a lot of athletes dont feel like they are gaining much calf size when doing calf raises, if you pause in the bottom, the gastroc/soleus will take the brunt of the work, if you bounce or rebound out, the achilles tendon dominates.  Both methods are good, but starting out controlled and slower is the way to go, once you have that base you can get more explosive with them.

just remember,

pause = no bounce!

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Injury, Prehab, & Rehab talk for the brittlebros / Re: Overtrained, overreached, or neither???
« on: April 12, 2011, 05:45:18 pm »
I thought I was over-training while doing smolov jr. But I was hitting PR's while fatigued. Then when I rested up I tested my max. Shot up 80lbs in 9 weeks.

Eat more and sleep more. You don't have to hit non-fatigued PR's. Just focus on hitting fatigued PR's. They will eventually catch up to your all-time PR's. Surpass those by a good amount. Then when it's time to rest up and test a PR you're physically/mentally ready for, you'll be shitting bricks of joy!

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Strength, Power, Reactivity, & Speed Discussion / Re: Calfs
« on: April 12, 2011, 05:43:22 pm »
Quote from: $ick3nin.vend3tta on April 12, 2011, 12:21:44 am
Quote from: LanceSTS on April 11, 2011, 11:18:32 pm
the achilles tendon will take over any time in the rom when you bounce out of the bottom (however low you go).  This is one of the main reason a lot of athletes dont feel like they are gaining much calf size when doing calf raises, if you pause in the bottom, the gastroc/soleus will take the brunt of the work, if you bounce or rebound out, the achilles tendon dominates.  Both methods are good, but starting out controlled and slower is the way to go, once you have that base you can get more explosive with them.

Lance, When your at the very bottom of the ROM, is your Achilles in it's most lengthened or shortest state?.

Strecthed, but if you pause at the bottom for a second or two, it doesn't "spring back" as much. Otherwise, it would be easier to perform calf raises this way (but it ain't  ;)).

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